Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H2GoKent on January 09, 2021, 01:29:19 pm
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Which diesel water heater would people recommend?
Preferably based on their experience.
Cheers
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Grippa
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They did not do a good job for Daz.
They had to come out and fix it once and the other two faults he had he got sorted elsewhere, the latest to come to light a twisted pipe which led to him having to replace the burner and using more diesel.
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Grippa for me.
2 years old, never serviced, flawless hot water every day.
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Other suppliers sell them but offer little support and know little about them,they also don’t offer to come to your house to service and replace bits on them.
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Grippatank we have there two man 9 kw set up can’t fault it , dazmonds is also Grippatank he did initially have a couple of problems with it , having had / tried most makes of boilers I feel Grippatank is the best and there after sales service is good , I know some on hear have had bad experiences with them , I think this has been due to a small family business growing rapidly and not being able to keep up with demand , hopefully they are better now with less issues with there supplies chain .
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Other suppliers sell them but offer little support and know little about them,they also don’t offer to come to your house to service and replace bits on them.
Out of blind loyalty to Grippa you make assumptions that other suppliers know little about Webasto heaters.
Grippa don’t offer to carry out a service at your house either, if they did why didn’t Daz book their ‘ at your door service ’when he was scouring his area looking for a service agent?
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The issues Daz had were down to a lack of technical knowledge and poor workmanship.
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Your always gonna get little niggles with any system whether its diesel or not....
I've had 3 years of virtually trouble free service out of mine.....
Yes fuel integration should of been checked with the engine off after installation but grippatank sorted it straight away.....
Other little niggles included a fuel pipe leak which my local garage sorted and
a fuse holder needed replacing which I did myself....
Burner and glow pin replacement should be done once a year....mine was well overdue after 3 years....
A bit of pipework was replaced as the hot water was causing it to kink as well....
Its working great again now......
Most of the time its trouble free..
I will get another one installed in another 10 years or so when I buy another van.....👍
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Your always gonna get little niggles with any system whether its diesel or not....
I've had 3 years of virtually trouble free service out of mine.....
Yes fuel integration should of been checked with the engine off after installation but grippatank sorted it straight away.....
Other little niggles included a fuel pipe leak which my local garage sorted and
a fuse holder needed replacing which I did myself....
Burner and glow pin replacement should be done once a year....mine was well overdue after 3 years....
A bit of pipework was replaced as the hot water was causing it to kink as well....
Its working great again now......
Most of the time its trouble free..
I will get another one installed in another 10 years or so when I buy another van.....👍
That’s five issues in three years then?
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They are very reliable you need a decent charging setup regarding batteries I have a simple plug into the side of the van setup apart from that just press a button,funny how this time of the year hot water becomes the main topic,I can’t imagine being North of Leamington Spa this last 6 weeks or so trying to keep the van frost free in Arctic conditions 🤣🤣,I’d pay 5 grand just for the frost stat the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
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the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
How many blokes and how many days?
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Your always gonna get little niggles with any system whether its diesel or not....
I've had 3 years of virtually trouble free service out of mine.....
Yes fuel integration should of been checked with the engine off after installation but grippatank sorted it straight away.....
Other little niggles included a fuel pipe leak which my local garage sorted and
a fuse holder needed replacing which I did myself....
Burner and glow pin replacement should be done once a year....mine was well overdue after 3 years....
A bit of pipework was replaced as the hot water was causing it to kink as well....
Its working great again now......
Most of the time its trouble free..
I will get another one installed in another 10 years or so when I buy another van.....👍
That’s five issues in three years then?
Yes...life is full of problems/issues......its how i deal with them and overcome them which builds my character and makes me happy....
99% of the time my heater works just ....👍
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Soon as the temperature drops and the weather turns all of a sudden hot waters not such a bad idea🤣,keeps you going in the winter and cleans better in the summer well worth the 5000 notes can’t see the point in having something that you “need” to earn a living freezing up during the winter and stopping you doing just that.
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Soon as the temperature drops and the weather turns all of a sudden hot waters not such a bad idea🤣,keeps you going in the winter and cleans better in the summer well worth the 5000 notes can’t see the point in having something that you “need” to earn a living freezing up during the winter and stopping you doing just that.
the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
How many blokes and how many days?
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Yes...life is full of problems/issues......its how i deal with them and overcome them which builds my character and makes me happy....
99% of the time my heater works just ....👍
Very sage.
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the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
How many blokes and how many days?
It was an Englishman, Irishman and Scottish man.
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Summer you don’t need hot water blah blah blah Autumn what do you need hot for, winter does anyone know where I can get a 2-3kw heater element please quickly 🤣🤣🤣🤣 my vans freezing up I can’t work lol you couldn’t write a script like it.
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I told you the frost stat feature alone is worth the 5 bags.
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Hot water is rubbish can’t stand it anymore burnt my hand this morning 🤣🤣🤣
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Hot water is rubbish can’t stand it anymore burnt my hand this morning 🤣🤣🤣
Aye it wasn’t with the hot water tho!
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Summer you don’t need hot water blah blah blah Autumn what do you need hot for, winter does anyone know where I can get a 2-3kw heater element please quickly 🤣🤣🤣🤣 my vans freezing up I can’t work lol you couldn’t write a script like it.
It’s ok to admit you were full of cr@p mate.
Soon as the temperature drops and the weather turns all of a sudden hot waters not such a bad idea🤣,keeps you going in the winter and cleans better in the summer well worth the 5000 notes can’t see the point in having something that you “need” to earn a living freezing up during the winter and stopping you doing just that.
the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
How many blokes and how many days?
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Yeah I’m full of crap m8 hot water is a “hot” topic on here at the moment funny that eh,hot waters crap and not worth the money till you can work and get water out the end of you’re pole 😂 yeah yeah yeah I’m full of crap lol.
I’m just boiling the kettle so I can pour it over the old pump 🤣🤣🤣.
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As MyWagga would say flick a switch job done 🤏
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Would like ice 🧊 with that Sir 🤣
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Geeeeeze, some poor, poor woman is possibly married to this plonker!🙄🤦♂️
Don't think I've ever felt more sympathetic to any human being, ever!😆
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Summer you don’t need hot water blah blah blah Autumn what do you need hot for, winter does anyone know where I can get a 2-3kw heater element please quickly 🤣🤣🤣🤣 my vans freezing up I can’t work lol you couldn’t write a script like it.
Go on then, I’ll give you one more chance to prove me wrong.
the amount of days I hear blokes tell me they’ve had freezing up issues is a joke.
How many days and how many blokes?
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Lol can I give you proof of how many window cleaning idiots I come across that are cleaning cold then they moan when it all freezes up yeah plenty I’ve shunned them all because of it 🤣🤣,got no sympathy for em 1 of em lives in an area where the temperature gets down to -5 or 6.
I did feel a bit sorry for him though I took him out for an iced Latte 🤣🤣
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Lol can I give you proof of how many window cleaning idiots I come across that are cleaning cold then they moan when it all freezes up yeah plenty I’ve shunned them all because of it 🤣🤣,got no sympathy for em 1 of em lives in an area where the temperature gets down to -5 or 6.
I did feel a bit sorry for him though I took him out for an iced Latte 🤣🤣
No, the chance to prove me wrong was in reference to you proving you weren’t full of cr@p.
You didn’t.
You didn’t even have the intelligence to make it up and just make up numbers...
I’m sure hot water is useful, the stuff you post isn’t. In fact I feel sorry for anyone that actually takes in any of the cr@p you post.
I’m sure you’ll post some more illegible rubbish next, so I’ll leave you to carry on 👍
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As regards Nob With Heater, you would be better to repeatedly bang your head against a brick wall than engage in any kind of debate with him. At least in time you are likely to make an impression in the wall.
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Be back in a bit just got to nip to the van for some more ice 🧊 for my drink 🤣🤣
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you still here spouting rubbish ?
oh well - see ya later
Darran
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Even units get silly cold I’ve know hose freeze full of water when they weren’t emptied the night before inside,you cold boys must spend forever adjusting your Cal just to get any sort of flow.
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Even units get silly cold I’ve know hose freeze full of water when they weren’t emptied the night before inside,you cold boys must spend forever adjusting your Cal just to get any sort of flow.
I live on the South coast and in the last two years we've had about 4 days where it was cold enough to cause a problem.
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Yeah I agree but look at it North of Birmingham they’ve had serious problems with cold weather lately.
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Yeah I agree but look at it North of Birmingham they’ve had serious problems with cold weather lately.
Have we?
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beast from the east is on its way back lads.....get them heaters in the back of your van!
i dont often agree with nigel but i do agree some window cleaners (who ve been at this game for many years!) still have rubbish equipment(or not enough of it!)......their either tight as a ducks arse or skint......then they moan when something breaks and they havent got any spares....im forever giving out connectors, bits of pole hose,tape,glue,etc to window cleaners near where i work to get them out of a tight spot..... ::)roll
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Even units get silly cold I’ve know hose freeze full of water when they weren’t emptied the night before inside,you cold boys must spend forever adjusting your Cal just to get any sort of flow.
I live on the South coast and in the last two years we've had about 4 days where it was cold enough to cause a problem.
Same in the north west and this year is looking similar. Lovely mild winters lately, unless your a complete flannel and need hot water to make it bearable..
Edit: the next 10 days forecast is all above 0 degrees Daz, any further than that and the forecast is useless anyway, have you been getting your forecast from the daily express again? 😂
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As regards Nob With Heater, you would be better to repeatedly bang your head against a brick wall than engage in any kind of debate with him. At least in time you are likely to make an impression in the wall.
Nob With Heater. :D
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Meanwhile while NWH drones on about paying 5K for frost protection, the immersion boys get just as good for about £100.
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I might get my plumber to fit me an element on my static setup when it’s all replaced in a couple on months time,I don’t need it but I just love hot water 🤣🤣
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As long as it’s only flicking another switch I’m up for it 💪
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I might get my plumber to fit me an element on my static setup when it’s all replaced in a couple on months time,I don’t need it but I just love hot water 🤣🤣
And what type of tank does your static set up have?
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Don’t know yet I’m looking into it at the moment.
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Don’t know yet I’m looking into it at the moment.
Eh? You mean you don't have water stored?
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Yes I do I’m replacing everything this year
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i love my diesel water heater...id never be without one now for the rest of my window cleaning life...which will hopefully be another 25-30 years yet..... :)
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I can’t believe why people don’t just buy 1 it’s a business purchase and it would work out pennies a week if someone got one on finance.
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I don’t think it would be pennies per week ::)roll
Fuel costs alone at least £15-£20 in diesel
Then £5000 spread over 5 - 8yrs again £15-£20
per week.
So top end £160 a month
You would have to make up for 2 weeks worth of work a year.
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I can’t believe why people don’t just buy 1 it’s a business purchase and it would work out pennies a week if someone got one on finance.
Not sure I agree with you on that.
If I spent £3k+ on a diesel heater for those 5 days every couple of years I might need it, doesn't seem a good return on my money.
I would rather put the money in my pocket or my pension.
I also feel if you add complexity to a simple system it just means more things to go wrong.
I fitted my own system and because I know what I'm doing it works and I never have to touch it, so that's £5k I've got that I wouldn't have
I do think a good van gets you better work, as wealthy customers like that you park your nicer van out the front and therefore they are happier to pay the highier price. Silly I know but that's some people. But whats inside the nice van? customers do not care.
I've looked at various heaters (hence the posted question) and have decided I'm going to fit an immersion again like I did before, works very well, took a couple of hours, is perfectly adequate for what I need.
I think mocking other people who don't splash out on things they don't need just makes the person mocking look insecure.
I often wonder if people who do spend a lot when they don't need to or trying to give themselves status to compensate for the fact they do a menial job.
Personally I'm only doing my job to make money and so my profit margin is very important to me
Back when I was employed I used to have a company car, expense account, staying in hotels for work, all the toys etc, looked like I was doing well, truth was I always living month to month and working 60-70 hours a week to maintain that look, I made good money but had no time I grew up got free of all that
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If you can’t afford to invest or don’t have 5 grand to buy a heater for your business I suggest you get a job working for someone else.
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If you can’t afford to invest or don’t have 5 grand to buy a heater for your business I suggest you get a job working for someone else.
A good investment is trying to use your money wisely. There are far wiser ways of investing your money.
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If you can’t afford to invest or don’t have 5 grand to buy a heater for your business I suggest you get a job working for someone else.
Idiotic drivel.
Many of us can afford £5,000 if we believe it will be a wise spend of our money. Same as some buy brand new vans, some buy secondhand; some buy ready made systems, some build their own.
If I was doing first cleans; heavily soiled cleans or had staff that were doing those things I would happily buy the kit.
Same as some invest and do well with gutter cleaning kit. Some choose not to.
Some people spend lots of money on cars, motorbikes, holidays - others spend it on property, investments or staff and build their round.
Some are able and willing to do both.
It is better to be an insightful Nigel than an inciteful "Nob With Heater."
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I think this forum needs 'nob with heater' alert button. Like a notification/warning that the nob has appeared, so everyone else can switch off!
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If you can’t afford to invest or don’t have 5 grand to buy a heater for your business I suggest you get a job working for someone else.
So are you saying that if someone doesn't have hot water it's because they can't afford it.
I find that quite funny ;D you know nothing about my business or most people's on here. Perhaps they don't want/need it
Here's a thought experiment: If london buses had heated seats that gave massages they would get more passengers, probably. Why don't they fit seats like that to buses?
Because the return on the investment isn't there., just because I have the money doesn't mean I want to spend, I'm not 10 years old for God's sake
Personally I don't need hot water, I really really don't. I know you find that hard to believe but it is the case.
I always consider the difference between an asset and a liability. Do the maths, I did, took me five mins, decision made, moved on.
Anything you buy for your business that doesn't pay for itself in some form is lost money. If I don't feel the need to buy it I won't.
If I felt the need to buy it I would, but I'm not going to buy just because you think I should
Anyway I have just realised I've fallen into the trap of feeding a troll, I'll stop now
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WFP systems should come as hot they clean far better overall and allow you to work all year in all temperatures,if I made systems they’d all come hot. All cold water does is allow you to maintain already clean windows,perish the thought you ever come across anything green-baked on bird crap or coastal work a hot system keeps you working and cleans all of the above with ease to a greater standard,saying that if you can’t afford 50-60 notes a week to get one on finance stay out in the cold 🥶
😉 😉
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If you can’t afford to invest or don’t have 5 grand to buy a heater for your business I suggest you get a job working for someone else.
So are you saying that if someone doesn't have hot water it's because they can't afford it.
I find that quite funny ;D you know nothing about my business or most people's on here. Perhaps they don't want/need it
Here's a thought experiment: If london buses had heated seats that gave massages they would get more passengers, probably. Why don't they fit seats like that to buses?
Because the return on the investment isn't there., just because I have the money doesn't mean I want to spend, I'm not 10 years old for God's sake
Personally I don't need hot water, I really really don't. I know you find that hard to believe but it is the case.
I always consider the difference between an asset and a liability. Do the maths, I did, took me five mins, decision made, moved on.
Anything you buy for your business that doesn't pay for itself in some form is lost money. If I don't feel the need to buy it I won't.
If I felt the need to buy it I would, but I'm not going to buy just because you think I should
Anyway I have just realised I've fallen into the trap of feeding a troll, I'll stop now
The return on you’re investment lol it’s 5 grand for F***s sake it’ll last you 10 years or more and it’ll give you 10 or more hassle free winters,you obviously don’t clean anything dirty.
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I can’t believe why people don’t just buy 1 it’s a business purchase and it would work out pennies a week if someone got one on finance.
Not sure I agree with you on that.
If I spent £3k+ on a diesel heater for those 5 days every couple of years I might need it, doesn't seem a good return on my money.
I would rather put the money in my pocket or my pension.
I also feel if you add complexity to a simple system it just means more things to go wrong.
I fitted my own system and because I know what I'm doing it works and I never have to touch it, so that's £5k I've got that I wouldn't have
I do think a good van gets you better work, as wealthy customers like that you park your nicer van out the front and therefore they are happier to pay the highier price. Silly I know but that's some people. But whats inside the nice van? customers do not care.
I've looked at various heaters (hence the posted question) and have decided I'm going to fit an immersion again like I did before, works very well, took a couple of hours, is perfectly adequate for what I need.
I think mocking other people who don't splash out on things they don't need just makes the person mocking look insecure.
I often wonder if people who do spend a lot when they don't need to or trying to give themselves status to compensate for the fact they do a menial job.
Personally I'm only doing my job to make money and so my profit margin is very important to me
Back when I was employed I used to have a company car, expense account, staying in hotels for work, all the toys etc, looked like I was doing well, truth was I always living month to month and working 60-70 hours a week to maintain that look, I made good money but had no time I grew up got free of all that
I’ve got a big investment coming up next week they said if I invest 5 grand I’ll recoup my investment in 40 years or so with the rates they are offering at the moment providing I don’t touch it 🤣🤣🤣.
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i love my diesel water heater...id never be without one now for the rest of my window cleaning life...which will hopefully be another 25-30 years yet..... :)
In a world of Co-vid, Brexit, Trump, Man United back at the top of the League and The Masked Singer, you can always rely on Daz to raise your spirits.
That's the nicest thing I've ever read on here :'(.
Good lad, Daz ;).
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Isn’t it cute that in NWH’s world, everyone who can afford a £5k heater already has one, and the rest of us are saving up for one.
What a simpleton you are Nigel.
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Isn’t it cute that in NWH’s world, everyone who can afford a £5k heater already has one, and the rest of us are saving up for one.
What a simpleton you are Nigel.
I think that about covers my opinion now
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WFP systems should come as hot they clean far better overall and allow you to work all year in all temperatures,if I made systems they’d all come hot. All cold water does is allow you to maintain already clean windows,perish the thought you ever come across anything green-baked on bird crap or coastal work a hot system keeps you working and cleans all of the above with ease to a greater standard,saying that if you can’t afford 50-60 notes a week to get one on finance stay out in the cold 🥶
😉 😉
As I said before that kind of talk just sounds like you’re insecure and trying to prove something. Calm down son you’re not Alan Sugar.
Am I now meant to go ‘Oh no Nigel thinks I can’t afford one’ 😂😂
I disagree I don’t need one I used hot and cold over the last 18 years don’t see the need personally.
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I can’t believe why people don’t just buy 1 it’s a business purchase and it would work out pennies a week if someone got one on finance.
Not sure I agree with you on that.
If I spent £3k+ on a diesel heater for those 5 days every couple of years I might need it, doesn't seem a good return on my money.
I would rather put the money in my pocket or my pension.
I also feel if you add complexity to a simple system it just means more things to go wrong.
I fitted my own system and because I know what I'm doing it works and I never have to touch it, so that's £5k I've got that I wouldn't have
I do think a good van gets you better work, as wealthy customers like that you park your nicer van out the front and therefore they are happier to pay the highier price. Silly I know but that's some people. But whats inside the nice van? customers do not care.
I've looked at various heaters (hence the posted question) and have decided I'm going to fit an immersion again like I did before, works very well, took a couple of hours, is perfectly adequate for what I need.
I think mocking other people who don't splash out on things they don't need just makes the person mocking look insecure.
I often wonder if people who do spend a lot when they don't need to or trying to give themselves status to compensate for the fact they do a menial job.
Personally I'm only doing my job to make money and so my profit margin is very important to me
Back when I was employed I used to have a company car, expense account, staying in hotels for work, all the toys etc, looked like I was doing well, truth was I always living month to month and working 60-70 hours a week to maintain that look, I made good money but had no time I grew up got free of all that
I’ve got a big investment coming up next week they said if I invest 5 grand I’ll recoup my investment in 40 years or so with the rates they are offering at the moment providing I don’t touch it 🤣🤣🤣.
If you think that's how investments work, I think you need to educate yourself about the subject. What you're describing there is a Bank Account. ::)roll
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I have to admit you can’t beat a freezing cold pole this time of year BRRRRHHHHHHH 🧊 that sound of a constantly dead ending pump is music to my ears 👌
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your funny Nigel,
I think you need to go back to basic's as using hot or cold this time of year the pumps are never constantly dead ending - perhaps you just never figured out how to clean properly
Darran
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Smudger i know what you mean m8 I’m just waiting for the Zoo to open again before I have a recruitment run 🤣🤣🤣
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Isn’t it cute that in NWH’s world, everyone who can afford a £5k heater already has one, and the rest of us are saving up for one.
What a simpleton you are Nigel.
you know nigel lives at home with mummy and daddy,he pays them £50 a week rent and they give hime back £10 aday for food so he works a saturday,mum and daddy are glad to see the back of him for the extra day ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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right i've brought a grippa two man hot system,for my self ;D ;D ;D ;D
few things,is it faster ?? a slight edge over cold,miles faster NO,
i do 3 block of flats, ive been doing for 15 years,i know how long it takes even with a extra cup of tea,i saved 15mins over 4 hours using hot
does it clean better,the frames get a bit whiter than with cold,bird muck come off easier.
same house i been doing fsg clean every other year,takes 3 hours,with hot 2hrs 30
so for this year to date,ive gained three hour over a mate who works with cold in the same area,i started at 8am @-4 ,He started cleaning at 11 o'clock @+1
am i like to get my money back on the system,NO its a luxury i can afford,unless i get proved wrong
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Give it time when you clean as well a I can with hot water you’ll be knocking more time off 😉 I take you ain’t had it long.
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Isn’t it cute that in NWH’s world, everyone who can afford a £5k heater already has one, and the rest of us are saving up for one.
What a simpleton you are Nigel.
you know nigel lives at home with mummy and daddy,he pays them £50 a week rent and they give hime back £10 aday for food so he works a saturday,mum and daddy are glad to see the back of him for the extra day ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
🤣 you’d like my house.
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If you want to work quicker, the single most cost effective way is to turn your pump up.
End of story.
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Yeh I do that as well 👍