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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jk999 on March 25, 2020, 10:39:59 pm
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Whys it greedy to go to work to earn a living as long as you follow the guide lines of social distanceing whys it greedy
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It's not, if it's absolutely necessary.
What is absolutely necessary? I don't know, I'm only a locked down window cleaner.
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What is absolutely necessary? I don't know, I'm only a locked down window cleaner.
What are you on about?
Can't you read and understand the government guidelines? They're very simple:
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585177596_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
It's really important to be accurate with your information, Griff. I was reading on faceache about a window cleaner's partner who broke down in tears when he told her he couldn't work anymore because he read that on the internet from someone who didn't understand the guidelines themselves.
Are you really homeschooling your child?
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Whys it greedy to go to work to earn a living as long as you follow the guide lines of social distanceing whys it greedy
You're not, mate; just crack on and earn a living following the government guidelines (2 meter rule, don't work if you're ill, etc).
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What is absolutely necessary? I don't know, I'm only a locked down window cleaner.
What are you on about?
Can't you read and understand the government guidelines? They're very simple:
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585177596_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
It's really important to be accurate with your information, Griff. I was reading on faceache about a window cleaner's partner who broke down in tears when he told her he couldn't work anymore because he read that on the internet from someone who didn't understand the guidelines themselves.
Are you really homeschooling your child?
We work two guys per van we cannot do that , so it’s not that straight foward
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What are you on about?
What about a government guideline on being greedy? That was the question.
Anyway, I'm just watching a documentary about Maradona- the footballer not the singer- and your man, Chris Witty, comes on- in the adverts, he wasn't playing for Argentina- and says only go out if it's 'absolutely necessary'.
He's a professor, you know. Chris Witty not Maradona.
Maradona could have been a professor but she concentrated on her singing career.
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I work on my own no one with me anyone sees me either leaves money on door step or pays through bank ,cant see whats greedy about providing for my family and 9 month old granddaughter that lives with us if i stop working the saving s i have wont last two weeks and what government is offering is a joke
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Why post this nonsense? What's it got to do with going to work if you can't work from home?
It's not, if it's absolutely necessary.
What is absolutely necessary? I don't know, I'm only a locked down window cleaner.
Are you really homeschooling your child yet a simple government guideline confuses you?
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Whys it greedy to go to work to earn a living as long as you follow the guide lines of social distanceing whys it greedy
You're not, mate; just crack on and earn a living following the government guidelines (2 meter rule, don't work if you're ill, etc).
Two metre rule. It's important to be accurate with your information, Tosh.
Unless there's a two water meter rule that we don't know about.
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I work on my own no one with me anyone sees me either leaves money on door step or pays through bank ,cant see whats greedy about providing for my family and 9 month old granddaughter that lives with us if i stop working the saving s i have wont last two weeks and what government is offering is a joke
Just get to work, mate, you're a man and have a family to support.
They guys calling you greedy get supported by their wives.
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What's it got to do with going to work if you can't work from home?
Eh?
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We work two guys per van we cannot do that , so it’s not that straight foward
Then you can't work. Unless you put one bloke in a van and furlough the other.
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What's it got to do with going to work if you can't work from home?
Eh?
You're still confused; no surprise there. ;D
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I work on my own no one with me anyone sees me either leaves money on door step or pays through bank ,cant see whats greedy about providing for my family and 9 month old granddaughter that lives with us if i stop working the saving s i have wont last two weeks and what government is offering is a joke
Just get to work, mate, you're a man and have a family to support.
They guys calling you greedy get supported by their wives.
You're being incoherent, Tosh.
She does support me; she's a diamond, mate. Doesn't your Helen support you?
Now tell me, where did I call jk greedy?
Go on, where?
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I work on my own no one with me anyone sees me either leaves money on door step or pays through bank ,cant see whats greedy about providing for my family and 9 month old granddaughter that lives with us if i stop working the saving s i have wont last two weeks and what government is offering is a joke
Just get to work, mate, you're a man and have a family to support.
They guys calling you greedy get supported by their wives.
What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
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What's it got to do with going to work if you can't work from home?
Eh?
You're still confused; no surprise there. ;D
It doesn't make sense to 'they guys'.
Sorry.
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You're being incoherent, Tosh.
She does support me; she's a diamond, mate. Doesn't your Helen support you?
Now tell me, where did I call jk greedy?
Go on, where?
I don't live off Wor Lass's graft, mate, and then try to discourage blokes from supporting their family by using terms like "absolutely necessary" when that has NOTHING to do with the guidelines.
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We work two guys per van we cannot do that , so it’s not that straight foward
Then you can't work. Unless you put one bloke in a van and furlough the other.
Cannot do that as we do lots of big commercial and the risk assessment and customers requests are that there is a minimum of two staff per job , there are ways round it but it’s awkward
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Griff's going to be all over you for your spelling and grammar, Splash.
Just wait till he sees your post.
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Cannot do that as we do lots of big commercial and the risk assessment and customers requests are that there is a minimum of two staff per job , there are ways round it but it’s awkward
Big jobs; can't one of them drive there in a separate car?
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You're being incoherent, Tosh.
She does support me; she's a diamond, mate. Doesn't your Helen support you?
Now tell me, where did I call jk greedy?
Go on, where?
I don't live off Wor Lass's graft, mate, and then try to discourage blokes from supporting their family by using terms like "absolutely necessary" when that has NOTHING to do with the guidelines.
I got it off your man, Maradona......I mean Chris Witty.
So you haven't answered my question and lied again.
Where have I discouraged jk from working?
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You're being incoherent, Tosh.
She does support me; she's a diamond, mate. Doesn't your Helen support you?
Now tell me, where did I call jk greedy?
Go on, where?
I don't live off Wor Lass's graft, mate, and then try to discourage blokes from supporting their family by using terms like "absolutely necessary" when that has NOTHING to do with the guidelines.
Maybe some of us have a conscience? Maybe some of us put money away to live on in circumstances like this? You sir are tedious.
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Cannot do that as we do lots of big commercial and the risk assessment and customers requests are that there is a minimum of two staff per job , there are ways round it but it’s awkward
Big jobs; can't one of them drive there in a separate car?
Is that in the government guideline? (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585179652_grin[1].gif)
They could get a taxi?
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Griff's going to be all over you for your spelling and grammar, Splash.
Just wait till he sees your post.
Lol not the slightest bit worried about that 😂😂
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Just a point here, Splash. Have you always been rich and successful? Or have you ever had a bad run of luck; a divorce or something that's wrecked your finances?
Imagine if the pandemic happened then...
And this isn't about me. I can take a mortgage holiday; it's only a small mortgage anyway and there's a second interest rate cut in the pipeline. I have some savings and I have access to a fairly large amount of credit.
I'm cool and the gang.
But I think if this pandemic happened 15 years ago; I'd be sunk.
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Everyone stop arguing i asked a simple question why are guys saying we are greedy and desperate because we are going out to work simple enough i want the guys to answer who are saying it
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Cannot do that as we do lots of big commercial and the risk assessment and customers requests are that there is a minimum of two staff per job , there are ways round it but it’s awkward
Big jobs; can't one of them drive there in a separate car?
Is that in the government guideline? (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585179652_grin[1].gif)
They could get a taxi?
As I said it could be overcome but it’s awkward , keeping two meters apart going back to the van , sharing of kit etc , some of our work is 300 miles from base so it’s not practical to take separate vehicles for that .
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Griff's going to be all over you for your spelling and grammar, Splash.
Just wait till he sees your post.
Lol not the slightest bit worried about that 😂😂
Looks ok to me.
Carry on, Splash.
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Just a point here, Splash. Have you always been rich and successful? Or have you ever had a bad run of luck; a divorce or something that's wrecked your finances?
Imagine if the pandemic happened then...
And this isn't about me. I can take a mortgage holiday; it's only a small mortgage anyway and there's a second interest rate cut in the pipeline. I have some savings and I have access to a fairly large amount of credit.
I'm cool and the gang.
But I think if this pandemic happened 15 years ago; I'd be sunk.
So you're working for 15 years ago?
Is that trad?
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Looks ok to me.
Carry on, Splash.
Your poor home-schooled child. :'(
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So you're working for 15 years ago?
Is that trad?
I've never worked for 15 years ago.
Is that some window cleaning company?
Weird name.
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What a load of rubbish some of us run very successfully buisness and some don’t they just scrape by and dont have any reserves to fall back on , it’s about buisness planning , most on hear wouldn’t understand what that is .
Just a point here, Splash. Have you always been rich and successful? Or have you ever had a bad run of luck; a divorce or something that's wrecked your finances?
Imagine if the pandemic happened then...
And this isn't about me. I can take a mortgage holiday; it's only a small mortgage anyway and there's a second interest rate cut in the pipeline. I have some savings and I have access to a fairly large amount of credit.
I'm cool and the gang.
But I think if this pandemic happened 15 years ago; I'd be sunk.
No certainly not I started twenty years ago using the family car and doing trad , window cleaning one day per week , driving hgv , and a number of other jobs until I had enough work to just do windows. So I know what it’s like to struggle , any good buisness will have a minimum of 3 months if not 6 months money in reserve to see them through the bad times , Ime paying all my guys out of my own pocket to stay at home at this time until we hopefully get a hand out from the government , so I do understand this from both sides , as I said there are far to many people running buisness that operate from hand to mouth with no buisness planning at all so it doesn’t surprise me that so many are in the situation they are in ,I have never had any hand outs , never claimed any benefits at all I have always managed to provide for my family evan if I have had to work 20 hours a day and several jobs to do it , this isn’t boasting but shows what can be done Ime nothing special Ime not superman but if I can do it anyone can if they put there mind to it .
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Everyone stop arguing i asked a simple question why are guys saying we are greedy and desperate because we are going out to work simple enough i want the guys to answer who are saying it
I never said you were greedy. I couldn't say that because I don't know you.
Why are you bothered what others think anyway? There is a bit of doubt there, isn't there?
Don't worry, jk, it'll be a lot clearer tomorrow.
To me, working this week isn't absolutely necessary but if others want to, it's up to them.
What surprises me, is that going to work for a week is more important than the virus and saving the NHS.
If you have to work, this week , then I'd say it is absolutely necessary and everything's Hot Chocolate...….I mean Kool and the Gang.
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Everyone stop arguing i asked a simple question why are guys saying we are greedy and desperate because we are going out to work simple enough i want the guys to answer who are saying it
I dont think anyone said ones were greedy ,
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I dont think anyone said ones were greedy ,
I think some inferred it. But this was my favourite:
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585181484_1a.jpg)
I love a hysterical post. ;D
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What surprises me, is that going to work for a week is more important than the virus and saving the NHS.
Who said that?
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So you're working for 15 years ago?
Is that trad?
I've never worked for 15 years ago.
Is that some window cleaning company?
Weird name.
You're working because of your situation 15 years ago?
I get it; I really get it. You never know, we could go back 15 years in time and you won't sink.
Clever, that.
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You're working because of your situation 15 years ago?
I get it; I really get it. You never know, we could go back 15 years in time and you won't sink.
Clever, that.
You sound majorly confused now.
And you never answered the question. Who said "going to work for a week is more important than the virus and saving the NHS."?
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You're working because of your situation 15 years ago?
I get it; I really get it. You never know, we could go back 15 years in time and you won't sink.
Clever, that.
You sound majorly confused now.
And you never answered the question. Who said "going to work for a week is more important than the virus and saving the NHS."?
I said it; you've already quoted it.
But it's based on your man, Conrad Twitty, saying stay home, save lives and protect the NHS. He's been on about four times now.
If you're working from home or 15 years ago, you're alright.
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Looks ok to me.
Carry on, Splash.
Your poor home-schooled child. :'(
It'll be reet.
He only wants to be a fell running teacher anyway.
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But it's based on your man, Conrad Twitty, saying stay home, save lives and protect the NHS.
Who is he and how does his information conflict with government advice?
We're all staying at home with the exceptions that government guidelines allow.
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But it's based on your man, Conrad Twitty, saying stay home, save lives and protect the NHS.
Who is he and how does his information conflict with government advice?
We're all staying at home with the exceptions that government guidelines allow.
Who's Conrad Twitty? (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585184650_shocked[1].gif)
His info doesn't conflict with government advice. It is government advice.
He sang "stay home, save lives and save the NHS" with Loretta Lynn.
If you couldn't afford to do that 15 years go everything's Earth, Wind and Fire...…...I mean Hot Chocolate...….I mean Kool and the Gang.
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Who's Conrad Twitty? :o
Conway Twitty you incoherent twerp.
Your poor home-schooled child. :'(
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Who's Conrad Twitty? :o
Conway Twitty you incoherent twerp.
Your poor home-schooled child. :'(
Who is he and how does his advice conflict with government advice?
I was on about Christine Twitter- whom is a real professor and not one out of Cluedo- not some country and western singer.
It's like you're trying to bring music into everything. Stop keep going on about Kool and the Grass.
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Who is he and how does his advice conflict with government advice?
I was on about Christine Twitter- whom is a real professor and not one out of Cluedo- not some country and western singer.
It's like you're trying to bring music into everything. Stop keep going on about Kool and the Grass.
Go to bed; you've got a child that needs home-schooling in the morning.
:'(
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Who's Conrad Twitty? :o
Conway Twitty you incoherent twerp.
Your poor home-schooled child. :'(
I only teach him music.
I mentioned that I was a one man band and that was it. He thought I was in the biz like Nimrod Whitby and Cruel and the Glass.
I do a good cover of Voyage Voyage by Desireless though; when my cymbals between my knees don't symbolise, that is.
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Who is he and how does his advice conflict with government advice?
I was on about Christine Twitter- whom is a real professor and not one out of Cluedo- not some country and western singer.
It's like you're trying to bring music into everything. Stop keep going on about Kool and the Grass.
Go to bed; you've got a child that needs home-schooling in the morning.
:'(
You're right, I am working from home. Boris's decision and he is the democratically elected leader of the pack.
I'll just get my gob iron and drum ready for our music lesson.
I wonder if smiling fell running lecturers have to do all this. As long as the kids are alright, Who cares.
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What are you on about?
What about a government guideline on being greedy? That was the question.
Anyway, I'm just watching a documentary about Maradona- the footballer not the singer- and your man, Chris Witty, comes on- in the adverts, he wasn't playing for Argentina- and says only go out if it's 'absolutely necessary'.
He's a professor, you know. Chris Witty not Maradona.
Maradona could have been a professor but she concentrated on her singing career.
;D ;D
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It’s like I fell asleep in the window cleaning section and woke up in the non-cleaning related section 😂
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;D
So......... when it’s announced later today that window cleaners and gardeners etc do NOT qualify for any support, I hope everyone who has jumped down our throats for working is still going to stick to their principles and not work untill this is totally over. (Probably 3-6 months time). ?
;D
Genuinely guys it’s amazing to see the toxicity between people on here and on other forums. Facebook has been by far the worst.
Interesting times ahead for us indeed.
I wonder how many window cleaners will be out working in 4 weeks time.
Let’s all just get along, be safe, and do what we can.
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And are you going to wrap up if the government cough up, Jonny?
I'll work when the government decides that I can or if they don't support me and tell me that I can't. Then, it'd be absolutely necessary.
It hasn't been absolutely necessary for me to leave the house for work this week.
That's been the crux of it, for me.
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And are you going to wrap up if the government cough up, Jonny?
I'll work when the government decides that I can or if they don't support me and tell me that I can't. Then, it'd be absolutely necessary.
It hasn't been absolutely necessary for me to leave the house for work this week.
That's been the crux of it, for me.
I would.
If the experts decide that a nationwide and complete lockdown is needed to combat the virus, and they offer to Atleast help us pay our necessary bills, I’d close down.
So far the latest advice is “if you can work safely, we encourage you to keep going”.
We’re honestly going to get zero help through this. I’ve drawn my conclusions, and hopefully I’m
wrong.
How many of us can/want to live off savings for the next 3-6 months?
I’ve gave myself an easier week this week to see how it all pans out, but work has been fine.
Were going to be hit economically though that’s for sure. It’s just going to be up to ourselves to get through it.
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
No one has told you you are NOT allowed to work.
Apart from some of the ill informed i suppose?
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
We’ve already been told to go back to work.
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What ever the statement is later on I do hope it doesn’t descend into one of those...’I told you so’ moments on here.
Edit: I should have changed moments to arguments😁😁
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
We’ve already been told to go back to work.
By who ?
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
We’ve already been told to go back to work.
By who ?
The government.
https://youtu.be/SnDE_MX5d5M
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So not Boris, not Rishi, not even Westminster but Scotlands first minister.
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So not Boris, not Rishi, not even Westminster but Scotlands first minister.
Member of the cabinet. Matt Hancock.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=B6xTAY2cd1k
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So totally open to individuals interpretation.
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What surprises me, is that going to work for a week is more important than the virus and saving the NHS.
Who said that?
Maybe actions speak louder than words?
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Maybe actions speak louder than words?
The actions say "window cleaners who work safely following government guidelines understand the information presented by the government and aren't a threat to people".
Life's a bit like a Rorschach test.
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So totally open to individuals interpretation.
No. Government advice can't be clearer.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585216568_2.jpg)
There is a problem with government messaging though.
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I hope I'm wrong but my prediction is that those compensated today or put on 80% will be hair dressers barbers etc ....child minders etc massuers and anyone who basically cannot avoid or implement the 2 meter rule. We are possibly on our own guys long with gardeners and other outdoor workers who once again can effectively implement the social distancing.....let's see what sunak says later.
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I hope I'm wrong but my prediction is that those compensated today or put on 80% will be hair dressers barbers etc ....child minders etc massuers and anyone who basically cannot avoid or implement the 2 meter rule. We are possibly on our own guys long with gardeners and other outdoor workers who once again can effectively implement the social distancing.....let's see what sunak says later.
Hopefully it won't be as black and white as that. There will be window cleaners who did a large amount of work in shopping malls and other businesses that are now closed.
They're the ones that are really in the cack and I hope they get some help.
JV Price has closed down for the time being.
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Maybe actions speak louder than words?
The actions say "window cleaners who work safely following government guidelines understand the information presented by the government and aren't a threat to people".
Life's a bit like a Rorschach test.
Indeed.
The actions may say that but they may say something else.
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I hope I'm wrong but my prediction is that those compensated today or put on 80% will be hair dressers barbers etc ....child minders etc massuers and anyone who basically cannot avoid or implement the 2 meter rule. We are possibly on our own guys long with gardeners and other outdoor workers who once again can effectively implement the social distancing.....let's see what sunak says later.
Hopefully it won't be as black and white as that. There will be window cleaners who did a large amount of work in shopping malls and other businesses that are now closed.
They're the ones that are really in the cack and I hope they get some help.
JV Price has closed down for the time being.
I’m in that category also. I have around 100 domestics but 60-70% of my monthly income is now on hold for the foreseeable.
How they’d be able to distinguish between what can and can’t be done I have no idea.
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Maybe they will give everyone a blanket sum for the next two weeks and review after that?
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Maybe they will give everyone a blanket sum for the next two weeks and review after that?
I hope I'm wrong but my prediction is that those compensated today or put on 80% will be hair dressers barbers etc ....child minders etc massuers and anyone who basically cannot avoid or implement the 2 meter rule. We are possibly on our own guys long with gardeners and other outdoor workers who once again can effectively implement the social distancing.....let's see what sunak says later.
Hopefully it won't be as black and white as that. There will be window cleaners who did a large amount of work in shopping malls and other businesses that are now closed.
They're the ones that are really in the cack and I hope they get some help.
JV Price has closed down for the time being.
I’m in that category also. I have around 100 domestics but 60-70% of my monthly income is now on hold for the foreseeable.
How they’d be able to distinguish between what can and can’t be done I have no idea.
I hope like I said that all of us are catered for but let's see what happens
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
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Maybe they will give everyone a blanket sum for the next two weeks and review after that?
I think they'll let everyone claim on the basis of their previous tax returns. But even then that's not so straight forward.
Think about the guys who rent a premise. That gets deducted from turnover and profit is calculated on after deductions.
So the government pays out 80% of the declared profits, yet guys will still have to pay rent on their premises (or van loans).
It is a complicated nut to crack and a universal income would've been much simpler to apply I think.
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I’ve a feeling there’s going to be a lot of unhappy people on here this evening.
I hope you’ve all got your tanks filled and scrims washed ready for tomorrow.
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I’ve a feeling there’s going to be a lot of unhappy people on here this evening.
I hope you’ve all got your tanks filled and scrims washed ready for tomorrow.
I've crumpled; we're taking a couple of weeks off.
Going to concentrate on some photography.
Standby for plenty of naked selfies of me and my cat.
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I’ve a feeling there’s going to be a lot of unhappy people on here this evening.
I hope you’ve all got your tanks filled and scrims washed ready for tomorrow.
I've crumpled; we're taking a couple of weeks off.
Going to concentrate on some photography.
Standby for plenty of naked selfies of me and my cat.
Oh please no!
I’m taking next week off also, I’ll have a week or so of domestics the week after but then I’m out of work for a couple weeks.
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I’ve a feeling there’s going to be a lot of unhappy people on here this evening.
I hope you’ve all got your tanks filled and scrims washed ready for tomorrow.
I've crumpled; we're taking a couple of weeks off.
Going to concentrate on some photography.
Standby for plenty of naked selfies of me and my cat.
I'm going to risk it at work now ;D
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here is my situation.
I went to work on Monday, and for the most part it was positive , I would say that most of my customers were ok, nearly all are very wealthy or retired.
I have savings , whilst I am only 48, my savings are a fund that I am trying to build for my retirement, even though I would like to work after the retirement age.
I have decided not to work because it just doesn't feel right for ME.
My partner is a nurse on a renal ward, where they have beds ready for corona cases. she is of the opinion that I should stay home as my work is not essential for US.
I consider my situation very fortunate.
whilst I am of the opinion that we should all stay of work, I TOTALY understand why people are working.
I have in the past been through a divorce where I had to live on my own and pay maintenance to my ex even though the children lived with me mostly. it was a massive struggle, and being honest about it if this had happened back then, I would have had no choice other than to work.
this whole situation is extremely difficult for everyone
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They will offer us something (unless you're wealthy).
Or allow us back to work.
No one has told you you are NOT allowed to work.
Apart from some of the ill informed i suppose?
Well clear up the 'absolutely necessary' vagueness then. Or determine why they are introducing help for the self employed. And who it is for.
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Well clear up the 'absolutely necessary' vagueness then. Or determine why they are introducing help for the self employed. And who it is for.
You're a confused puppy...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585220968_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
Boris did say that you could travel to work if it's absolutely not possible to work from home.
It is important that we don't spread fake news which is why I always include a link to a reputable website.
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Never changes on here , oh well i suppose it's different than talking about potential drought orders because
the Sun has been out for 5minutes ;D
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Well clear up the 'absolutely necessary' vagueness then. Or determine why they are introducing help for the self employed. And who it is for.
You're a confused puppy...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585220968_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
Boris did say that you could travel to work if it's absolutely not possible to work from home.
It is important that we don't spread fake news which is why I always include a link to a reputable website.
He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
I see that you've taken the advice but are still arguing about it. Cabin fever already?
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He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
He meant absolutely necessary for work reasons.
You confuse easily.
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He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
He meant absolutely necessary for work reasons.
I know.
Are your work reasons absolutely necessary. Yours were and now they're not. You must have some confusion if you've changed your mind from yesterday.
You're also confused about the government message. On one thread it couldn't be clearer and on another 'agree government messaging has been bad on this issue'.
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So totally open to individuals interpretation.
That’s life.
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He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
He meant absolutely necessary for work reasons.
I know.
Are your work reasons absolutely necessary. Yours were and now they're not. You must have some confusion if you've changed your mind from yesterday.
You're also confused about the government message. On one thread it couldn't be clearer and on another 'agree government messaging has been bad on this issue'.
;D
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You're also confused about the government message. On one thread it couldn't be clearer and on another 'agree government messaging has been bad on this issue'.
Again, you're confused.
The government guidelines are crystal clear but the way they passed on that message - their messaging - hasn't been.
I'm always happy to clear up your confusion.
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
So........... you staying off now........ but if we don’t get any offer of a handout then your going to work?
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
So........... you staying off now........ but if we don’t get any offer of a handout then your going to work?
If we don't fit the criteria of assistance but other trades do then there will have to be a reason. That reason would have to be we can continue to work providing we adhere to all the safe distancing guidelines. So in that situation yes I would return to work, I would also have a valid reason to rather than my own interpretation as things stand. I really think people are wanting an argument for the sake of it. Shouldn't you be out working ?
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There's a painter painting my neighbours house right now.
He's working quietly, all alone, and no-one is around him.
Doesn't the greedy barsteward know that he's killing people? How can he sleep at night?
I think I'll get some photos of him and shame him on social meeja!!!
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
So........... you staying off now........ but if we don’t get any offer of a handout then your going to work?
If we don't fit the criteria of assistance but other trades do then there will have to be a reason. That reason would have to be we can continue to work providing we adhere to all the safe distancing guidelines. So in that situation yes I would return to work, I would also have a valid reason to rather than my own interpretation as things stand. I really think people are wanting an argument for the sake of it. Shouldn't you be out working ?
No arguments from me. ;)
I just think clarity is important. Especially when ones like myself have been slated for working safely.
I’ve given myself an easier week this week and have just cherry picked the work I want to do each day. Going to see how tonight plays out.
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Just found This
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/11249103/window-cleaners-work-coronavirus-lockdown/
:)
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Well clear up the 'absolutely necessary' vagueness then. Or determine why they are introducing help for the self employed. And who it is for.
You're a confused puppy...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585220968_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
Boris did say that you could travel to work if it's absolutely not possible to work from home.
It is important that we don't spread fake news which is why I always include a link to a reputable website.
He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
I see that you've taken the advice but are still arguing about it. Cabin fever already?
Do you need to keep selling an idea after the other person has bought it, Griff? ;)
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
So........... you staying off now........ but if we don’t get any offer of a handout then your going to work?
If we don't fit the criteria of assistance but other trades do then there will have to be a reason. That reason would have to be we can continue to work providing we adhere to all the safe distancing guidelines. So in that situation yes I would return to work, I would also have a valid reason to rather than my own interpretation as things stand. I really think people are wanting an argument for the sake of it. Shouldn't you be out working ?
No arguments from me. ;)
I just think clarity is important. Especially when ones like myself have been slated for working safely.
I’ve given myself an easier week this week and have just cherry picked the work I want to do each day. Going to see how tonight plays out.
Oh fair enough sorry, I thought you were trying to pick holes in my reasoning. . This appears to have split opinions. Yes I'm after clarity as well, I've been happy enough to just stay home, lots of other jobs have needed doing, well according to my missus anyhow 😭. 3 or 4 days downtime is no real biggy for me providing I know by next week whether I should be going to work or not.
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
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I guess that’s work out of the question for the shirkers on here then.
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Well clear up the 'absolutely necessary' vagueness then. Or determine why they are introducing help for the self employed. And who it is for.
You're a confused puppy...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585220968_2.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
Boris did say that you could travel to work if it's absolutely not possible to work from home.
It is important that we don't spread fake news which is why I always include a link to a reputable website.
He said don't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary. You keep missing that bit out.
I see that you've taken the advice but are still arguing about it. Cabin fever already?
Do you need to keep selling an idea after the other person has bought it, Griff? ;)
You're right, Malc.
But if someone's after attention I find it hard to ignore them.
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
Yesterday?
Today's the day.
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I guess that’s work out of the question for the shirkers on here then.
Correct.
I'm not working yesterday.
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Predictions are pure speculation as they always are. It's day 3 of a soft lock down in everything but name. Everybody is in the dark, not just window cleaners. I've not worked this week because I've not regarded it essential. I've stayed 100% at home. Taken all the advice and taken it seriously. How can people be so desperate after 3 days ? I'm just going to wait and see what is offered one way or the other later today. I'll make my decision based on that rather than twisting individual ministers words to suit my own agenda.
So........... you staying off now........ but if we don’t get any offer of a handout then your going to work?
If we don't fit the criteria of assistance but other trades do then there will have to be a reason. That reason would have to be we can continue to work providing we adhere to all the safe distancing guidelines. So in that situation yes I would return to work, I would also have a valid reason to rather than my own interpretation as things stand. I really think people are wanting an argument for the sake of it. Shouldn't you be out working ?
No arguments from me. ;)
I just think clarity is important. Especially when ones like myself have been slated for working safely.
I’ve given myself an easier week this week and have just cherry picked the work I want to do each day. Going to see how tonight plays out.
Oh fair enough sorry, I thought you were trying to pick holes in my reasoning. . This appears to have split opinions. Yes I'm after clarity as well, I've been happy enough to just stay home, lots of other jobs have needed doing, well according to my missus anyhow 😭. 3 or 4 days downtime is no real biggy for me providing I know by next week whether I should be going to work or not.
You and me both.
Peace and love. ✌🏼
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Just listening to yesterday's PM's briefing.
Professor Chris Whitty (Chief Medical Advisor) says the modelling they've done takes into account that a lot of people will still go to work, but where it's discretionary, he wants them working from home.
He goes onto say that many of the things we're going to be asked to do will have to be done over a sustained period of time. And if they make things too difficult, too early, it won't be sustainable.
Professor Vallance (Cheif Scientific Officer) says the best way to break transmissions of the virus is for people to stay in their house. But that's not possible for everyone and goes onto talk about the 2 metre rule.
The PM says he is not closing down the economy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000h4zl/briefings-downing-street-coronavirus-news-conference-25032020
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There's a painter painting my neighbours house right now.
He's working quietly, all alone, and no-one is around him.
Doesn't the greedy barsteward know that he's killing people? How can he sleep at night?
I think I'll get some photos of him and shame him on social meeja!!!
So from this tiny bit of curtain twitching, you have ascertained that he has followed the government guidelines throughout his working day? Even travelling to and from this absolutely necessary work?
There might be a job for you then. Poacher turned gamekeeper.
Btw, noisy painting is allowed if you follow the government guidelines.
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So from this tiny bit of curtain twitching, you have ascertained that he has followed the government guidelines throughout his working day? Even travelling to and from this absolutely necessary work?
There might be a job for you then. Poacher turned gamekeeper.
Btw, noisy painting is allowed if you follow the government guidelines.
[HYSTERICAL MODE ON] SHAME ON HIM. He's killing people. [HYSTERICAL MODE OFF]
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Just listening to yesterday's PM's briefing.
Professor Chris Whitty (Chief Medical Advisor) says the modelling they've done takes into account that a lot of people will still go to work, but where it's discretionary, he wants them working from home.
He goes onto say that many of the things we're going to be asked to do will have to be done over a sustained period of time. And if they make things too difficult, too early, it won't be sustainable.
Professor Vallance (Cheif Scientific Officer) says the best way to break transmissions of the virus is for people to stay in their house. But that's not possible for everyone and goes onto talk about the 2 metre rule.
The PM says he is not closing down the economy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000h4zl/briefings-downing-street-coronavirus-news-conference-25032020
Griff, listen to the daily briefing.
It has scientists explaining stuff on it.
If you get confused, give me a shout and I'll help reduce your stupid.
Link in the quote.
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So from this tiny bit of curtain twitching, you have ascertained that he has followed the government guidelines throughout his working day? Even travelling to and from this absolutely necessary work?
There might be a job for you then. Poacher turned gamekeeper.
Btw, noisy painting is allowed if you follow the government guidelines.
[HYSTERICAL MODE ON] SHAME ON HIM. He's killing people. [HYSTERICAL MODE OFF]
It's the quiet ones that you have to watch.
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
In your letter you mentioned "we" , how does that work in practice ?
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
In your letter you mentioned "we" , how does that work in practice ?
4 guys 4 vans each responsible for their own lot of customers
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Things is changing fast out there. Only allowed in the Supermarkets now one at a time, i.e one person one basket/trolley you and your missus for example can not go in together. No shortage of food etc.. but big queues, barriers, 2 metre distance. So many allowed etc... A day or two of life like that and social pressure will make peoples minds up i think.
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
In your letter you mentioned "we" , how does that work in practice ?
4 guys 4 vans each responsible for their own lot of customers
Social distancing gonna be a problem for you in each van or don't you forsee that ?
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
In your letter you mentioned "we" , how does that work in practice ?
4 guys 4 vans each responsible for their own lot of customers
Social distancing gonna be a problem for you in each van or don't you forsee that ?
One would assume it's one van per person.
That's how i read it anyway.
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I emailed my MP yesterday and got this reply -
In your letter you mentioned "we" , how does that work in practice ?
4 guys 4 vans each responsible for their own lot of customers
Social distancing gonna be a problem for you in each van or don't you forsee that ?
One would assume it's one van per person.
That's how i read it anyway.
Duh !!!! Ignore me, i read 4 guys in two vans.................
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Not a single factory in my area closed and all but one is non essential, are all their employees staying at least 2 meters apart ? not a chance, Iv worked all week and haven't come in contact with a single person, the stupidity in this is only bested by shiners who are too stupid to realise that they're not the problem.
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Not a single factory in my area closed and all but one is non essential, are all their employees staying at least 2 meters apart ? not a chance, Iv worked all week and haven't come in contact with a single person, the stupidity in this is only bested by shiners who are too stupid to realise that they're not the problem.
Problem. Who said this the other day ?
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Things is changing fast out there. Only allowed in the Supermarkets now one at a time, i.e one person one basket/trolley you and your missus for example can not go in together. No shortage of food etc.. but big queues, barriers, 2 metre distance. So many allowed etc... A day or two of life like that and social pressure will make peoples minds up i think.
This happened to me and Mrs Gold at Aldi on Tuesday. We thought it was great. It forces you to buy enough for a few days and not stockpile. There was toilet roll too and we bought one nine-pack. This way of shopping should have happened two weeks ago.
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Things is changing fast out there. Only allowed in the Supermarkets now one at a time, i.e one person one basket/trolley you and your missus for example can not go in together. No shortage of food etc.. but big queues, barriers, 2 metre distance. So many allowed etc... A day or two of life like that and social pressure will make peoples minds up i think.
This happened to me and Mrs Gold at Aldi on Tuesday. We thought it was great. It forces you to buy enough for a few days and not stockpile. There was toilet roll too and we bought one nine-pack. This way of shopping should have happened two weeks ago.
I don't think we'd of accepted it like that two weeks ago Malc. The small changes everyday, just gradual but the landscape is changing very much. I live in a street, there are people now complaining about kids playing out. This time next week is going to be very odd. Not looking foreward to it at all.. We'll be sat at home trying not to watch TV and the death rates going up. Might switch the Internet and TV off for my sanity i think.
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Just been to local lidl n everyone allowed in
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6 pages on and still not got the answer to my question wheres the guy that said we all ought to be ashamed of ourselves for earning a living eh
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There’sa lot of misunderstanding of the position. We are perfectly entitled to work. There’s no safer job in the blue collar section. James O’Brien on LBC today showing total ignorance and saying necessary work only. And attacking joggers. He’s off my Christmas card list.
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The problem is everyone these days thinks they’re a lawyer and can argue the toss over samantics
I haven’t seen a post accusing those who choose to carry on as greedy - there is obviously a divide between people and this is not helped by government changing wording and idiots like Nicola sturgeon now says it’s ok for window cleaners and gardeners to be outside - yet this second the government advert says stay inside UNLESS absolutely necessary to go out.
At the end of the day we all need to earn, however in these unpresidented times the bigger picture should be a moral one And I think most people know what the correct decision should be
Darran
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6 pages on and still not got the answer to my question wheres the guy that said we all ought to be ashamed of ourselves for earning a living eh
I know exactly who will give you your answer. It'll be the coppers when/if they stop you. If they say its Ok, then its ok. On the news today Police where out around Staffordshire i think, and i've also read North Wales stopping people to see where they where going and what they where doing. That'll be the litmus test.
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The problem is everyone these days thinks they’re a lawyer and can argue the toss over samantics
I haven’t seen a post accusing those who choose to carry on as greedy - there is obviously a divide between people and this is not helped by government changing wording and idiots like Nicola sturgeon now says it’s ok for window cleaners and gardeners to be outside - yet this second the government advert says stay inside UNLESS absolutely necessary to go out.
At the end of the day we all need to earn, however in these unpresidented times the bigger picture should be a moral one And I think most people know what the correct decision should be
Darran
Aye but as you employ you are maybe looking at it from a different angle Darran? If I still employed it would be a no no for me, but as I work alone now if the guidelines are followed I believe I can work in a safe manner with next to no chance of either contracting or transmitting the virus. This of course is based on the information we have at present on how the virus is spread.
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Cant be bothered to go through all the post but on one of them greedy and ashamed of yourself s was mentioned
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
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Cant be bothered to go through all the post but on one of them greedy and ashamed of yourself s was mentioned
it was harleyman........he s a real live wire! ;D
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Cant be bothered to go through all the post but on one of them greedy and ashamed of yourself s was mentioned
it was harleyman........he s a real live wire! ;D
Grass (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585247647_grin[1].gif).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnDE_MX5d5M&list=LLmtXWuIrV-UsV5WZlnb49aA&index=2&t=0s
Window cleaners and gardeners encouraged to work.
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Not a single factory in my area closed and all but one is non essential, are all their employees staying at least 2 meters apart ? not a chance, Iv worked all week and haven't come in contact with a single person, the stupidity in this is only bested by shiners who are too stupid to realise that they're not the problem.
Problem. Who said this the other day ?
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585240435_dc4.png)
I'm sure they wont be the last which will probably be discussed at a later date, the impact of this on businesses long term , but I'm talking about factories closing so that their employees can stay at home which is the subject of this thread.
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James O’Brien on LBC today showing total ignorance and saying necessary work only.
The guys count. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire.
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James O’Brien on LBC today showing total ignorance and saying necessary work only.
The guys count. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire.
JoB is a middle-class self-entitled 'beep'.
And the middle class love him because they're self-entitled 'beepers' too.
God bless everyone who voted for Brexit and stuck two fingers up to the lot of them. ;D
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James O’Brien on LBC today showing total ignorance and saying necessary work only.
The guys count. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire.
Who can define what necessary work is?
If things get any worse, someone might have to.
Boris should have.
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James O’Brien on LBC today showing total ignorance and saying necessary work only.
The guys count. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire.
And that tool Piers Morgan was doing the same earlier in the week.
Vilifying workers who were just doing their jobs on building sites and roads, while pontificating he's alright jack because he himself is a "journalist". (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585251355_rolleyes.gif)
His idiotic behaviour is stirring up a hostile attitude to workers unnecessarily.
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Cleaners they said the working poor earlier on,blimey some of wages people I know are on are awful.
They can keep all the job titles they want times like this it means nothing.
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
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It’s crazy with people in the shops you’ve seriously got more chance of catching it in Marks&Spencers than you have working cleaning windows
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
It actually says or work on your link, what's confusing you ?
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It’s crazy with people in the shops you’ve seriously got more chance of catching it in Marks&Spencers than you have working cleaning windows
No I've not.
I don't go in Marks & Spencer.
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
It actually says or work on your link, what's confusing you ?
Eh?
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
It actually says or work on your link, what's confusing you ?
Eh?
It says you can go outside for work.
If that’s your point, then well made. ;D
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
It actually says or work on your link, what's confusing you ?
The "non essential business trading" bit............. You'll see i'm right in a day or two when they're all getting sent home. And i'll remind you. Anyway, you can't tell when a factory is open or closed ;D
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imagine how hard it must be for hairdressers,interior designers(my missus),pubs,clubs,cafe s,retail shops,etc,etc.....all of a sudden you have to shut your shop/bar/pub and no way of knowing when you can open up again...it could be months! :(.....income cut off instantly...........
we re lucky as we can carry on working safely by implementing a few simple distancing measures (even if it is on a reduced workload due to skippers,cancelled jobs,etc)..........
Lets see shall we.............. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585256457_gmp.png)
It actually says or work on your link, what's confusing you ?
The "non essential business trading" bit............. You'll see i'm right in a day or two when they're all getting sent home. And i'll remind you. Anyway, you can't tell when a factory is open or closed ;D
Given the credit card symbol I would say that’s more aimed at business premises. Otherwise it’s contradictory.
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The "non essential business trading" bit............. You'll see i'm right in a day or two when they're all getting sent home. And i'll remind you. Anyway, you can't tell when a factory is open or closed ;D
That's for places where people congregate to buy tat like scatter cushions. It's to stop crowds of people bunching up for non essential items.
Or hairdressers where they come into close contact and can spread the disease; you can't cut hair from 2 metres away.
Here's the rules; they've even been updated and expanded upon since yesterday:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
But no change to us.
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Or hairdressers where they come into close contact and can spread the disease; you can't cut hair from 2 metres away.
You've got a lovely way with words.
You sound like Trump.
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The "non essential business trading" bit............. You'll see i'm right in a day or two when they're all getting sent home. And i'll remind you. Anyway, you can't tell when a factory is open or closed ;D
That's for places where people congregate to buy tat like scatter cushions. It's to stop crowds of people bunching up for non essential items.
Or hairdressers where they come into close contact and can spread the disease; you can't cut hair from 2 metres away.
Here's the rules; they've even been updated and expanded upon since yesterday:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
But no change to us.
Ok, i'll try this approach with you... i'm not liking any of it just like you don't like it. But i'm a realist, and you can look at what is happening in other Countrys to get a feel of what is going to happen here. If you look at various Police Authorities Social Media across the Country you will get an actuall feel for what is going on and happening. Like i said before, things are changing daily, and fast. Few days ago i was in a queue to get into Tescos, store was full of people and there was no stock. Now its orderly queues and stand on the marked lines and there is full stock. Couple of days ago i ordered a Kebab, went in and picked it up when i was picked the missus up from work (i posted about it, check my back posts)......... you can't do that now. Police are sending people home who are in parks sunbathing on their own, telling them to get kids indoors, not drive in your car...even for a sunset view........... Their Twitter feeds are full of pics of empty streets and how they are patrolling and making sure everyone is staying at home. You think you're gonna see a window cleaner pull up in his van and start cleaning house windows in any of that scenario ? And the cheery copper waves him on...... "Good to see the window cleaners bringing some normality to a gloomy situation". I don't think so.
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I'm torn, i don't know whether to think you're demented as i usually class you as an intelligent guy if somewhat narcissistic . Or you're genuinely confused and its the lack of clear straightforeward orders as opposed to using your own brain thats confusing you. Maybe i'm sorry for having a snide dig at you like that, i dunno. But what i do know is you and a lot of others are in denial. I hope i'm wrong, i hope what i've said makes me look like a complete d. ick. head. If thats the worst that comes out of this situation i'll be happy to have that title. I'll just keep all my work next month and the month after and be the CIU idiot................... Not gonna happen.
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The "non essential business trading" bit............. You'll see i'm right in a day or two when they're all getting sent home. And i'll remind you. Anyway, you can't tell when a factory is open or closed ;D
That's for places where people congregate to buy tat like scatter cushions. It's to stop crowds of people bunching up for non essential items.
Or hairdressers where they come into close contact and can spread the disease; you can't cut hair from 2 metres away.
Here's the rules; they've even been updated and expanded upon since yesterday:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
But no change to us.
Ok, i'll try this approach with you... i'm not liking any of it just like you don't like it. But i'm a realist, and you can look at what is happening in other Countrys to get a feel of what is going to happen here. If you look at various Police Authorities Social Media across the Country you will get an actuall feel for what is going on and happening. Like i said before, things are changing daily, and fast. Few days ago i was in a queue to get into Tescos, store was full of people and there was no stock. Now its orderly queues and stand on the marked lines and there is full stock. Couple of days ago i ordered a Kebab, went in and picked it up when i was picked the missus up from work (i posted about it, check my back posts)......... you can't do that now. Police are sending people home who are in parks sunbathing on their own, telling them to get kids indoors, not drive in your car...even for a sunset view........... Their Twitter feeds are full of pics of empty streets and how they are patrolling and making sure everyone is staying at home. You think you're gonna see a window cleaner pull up in his van and start cleaning house windows in any of that scenario ? And the cheery copper waves him on...... "Good to see the window cleaners bringing some normality to a gloomy situation". I don't think so.
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I'm torn, i don't know whether to think you're demented as i usually class you as an intelligent guy if somewhat narcissistic . Or you're genuinely confused and its the lack of clear straightforeward orders as opposed to using your own brain thats confusing you. Maybe i'm sorry for having a snide dig at you like that, i dunno. But what i do know is you and a lot of others are in denial. I hope i'm wrong, i hope what i've said makes me look like a complete d. ick. head. If thats the worst that comes out of this situation i'll be happy to have that title. I'll just keep all my work next month and the month after and be the CIU idiot................... Not gonna happen.
Excellent post, Mike.
They are scared of having their routines disturbed. It's a pandemic, ffs. The biggest crisis that we will ever face. Military planners are building temporary hospitals. London's expecting a tsunami of cases. And they want to know when they can rub some glass.
The government, in the hope of some compliance, bung them a few grand and they are cock-a-hoop.
What a result, free money and they can still rub glass.
But it's not even started.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
But no change to us.
Ok, i'll try this approach with you... i'm not liking any of it just like you don't like it. But i'm a realist, and you can look at what is happening in other Countrys to get a feel of what is going to happen here. If you look at various Police Authorities Social Media across the Country you will get an actuall feel for what is going on and happening. Like i said before, things are changing daily, and fast. Few days ago i was in a queue to get into Tescos, store was full of people and there was no stock. Now its orderly queues and stand on the marked lines and there is full stock. Couple of days ago i ordered a Kebab, went in and picked it up when i was picked the missus up from work (i posted about it, check my back posts)......... you can't do that now. Police are sending people home who are in parks sunbathing on their own, telling them to get kids indoors, not drive in your car...even for a sunset view........... Their Twitter feeds are full of pics of empty streets and how they are patrolling and making sure everyone is staying at home. You think you're gonna see a window cleaner pull up in his van and start cleaning house windows in any of that scenario ? And the cheery copper waves him on...... "Good to see the window cleaners bringing some normality to a gloomy situation". I don't think so.
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I'm torn, i don't know whether to think you're demented as i usually class you as an intelligent guy if somewhat narcissistic . Or you're genuinely confused and its the lack of clear straightforeward orders as opposed to using your own brain thats confusing you. Maybe i'm sorry for having a snide dig at you like that, i dunno. But what i do know is you and a lot of others are in denial. I hope i'm wrong, i hope what i've said makes me look like a complete d. ick. head. If thats the worst that comes out of this situation i'll be happy to have that title. I'll just keep all my work next month and the month after and be the CIU idiot................... Not gonna happen.
Did you read the Government Official Guidance in Tosh's link?
It's very clear that we can continue to work if we follow the Public Health England advice to the letter.
I don't know if you watched the Fiona Bruce Question Time last night but the Minister on there (Robert Jenrick Communities Secretary) said exactly what the advice is.
Self Employed Workers whose work absolutely CANNOT be done from home, and especially if they don't have to use public transport CAN and SHOULD continue to work and MUST work safely using the Government advice set out by Public Health England.
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Things are changing, Andy. They will continually change.
The government guidelines and deals that they have handed out are not the end of this.
It's only just the beginning.
Like, CleanClear, I hope I'm wrong, too.
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
So you're passing coppers all day long? Why aren't you doing what you are told and staying home?
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Big shout out to Hari Kari Banzai and the Grumpy Griffin for keeping me amused during these difficult times.
Missus thinks I've gone mad PMSL here! ;D
BTW BoJo's got it now so I expect Soupy will be dancing around the haggis.
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
You have to forgive Griff.
He’s from Liverpool so he’s thinking that if they start getting pulled over more than normal, he’ll be getting pulled over on his walk to the toilet, asking if it’s necessary.
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Big shout out to Hari Kari Banzai and the Grumpy Griffin for keeping me amused during these difficult times.
Missus thinks I've gone mad PMSL here! ;D
BTW BoJo's got it now so I expect Soupy will be dancing around the haggis.
My Missus looks after us both.
But I have to earn my pocket money.
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
You have to forgive Griff.
He’s from Liverpool so he’s thinking that if they start getting pulled over more than normal, he’ll be getting pulled over on his walk to the toilet, asking if it’s necessary.
I'm not.
But I get the benefits of being a Scouser- football team, wit and being good at helping myself to stuff- without the stigma of being one.
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
You have to forgive Griff.
He’s from Liverpool so he’s thinking that if they start getting pulled over more than normal, he’ll be getting pulled over on his walk to the toilet, asking if it’s necessary.
I'm not.
But I get the benefits of being a Scouser- football team, wit and being good at helping myself to stuff- without the stigma of being one.
Talking of your footy team, I genuinely hope you get the league this season; not sure there’s ever been a side more deserving.
(I know that’s not window cleaning related, so delete if necessary )
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Yeah your a dk head 😁i dont know what part of country your from but where i live none of what you said is going on pass coppers all day long and they dont do anything maybe its because i live in the smaller town areas where all the respectable people live that does as they are told
You have to forgive Griff.
He’s from Liverpool so he’s thinking that if they start getting pulled over more than normal, he’ll be getting pulled over on his walk to the toilet, asking if it’s necessary.
I'm not.
But I get the benefits of being a Scouser- football team, wit and being good at helping myself to stuff- without the stigma of being one.
Talking of your footy team, I genuinely hope you get the league this season; not sure there’s ever been a side more deserving.
(I know that’s not window cleaning related, so delete if necessary )
Nope thats perfectly ok Don Kee ;D