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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sergio on June 04, 2019, 06:01:57 am
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Hello,
Which prespray or shampoo cleaner is more convenient in terms of diluition ratio and cost per liter?
The question concerns the washing of oriental wool rugs with rotary machine
Thanks
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To be honest the cost of pre spray is negligible.
But I use a ph neutral one but always test before cleaning.
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I use Alltec rug cleaner prespray and ther killim cleaner ,all good and sometimes prochem gold, wool safe , great results with both , and I reckon at £2.00 cost per 6x8ftsq rug. Simon
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To be honest the cost of pre spray is negligible.
But I use a ph neutral one but always test before cleaning.
Although it may be negligible, it is always a cost
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I use Alltec rug cleaner prespray and ther killim cleaner ,all good and sometimes prochem gold, wool safe , great results with both , and I reckon at £2.00 cost per 6x8ftsq rug. Simon
Alltec Rug Cleaner and Prochem Prespray Gold are the best detergents for low cost and good quality?
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[/quote]Although it may be negligible, it is always a cost
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Fair point but it would be in pence per square meter.
If you are charged for water and electric plus fuel then they would be bigger costs.
If you use a colloid cleaner like bio clean or M power then you are looking at a dilution of 120 to 1 or 8.3 mils per litre. 5 lts cost £45 concentrate. Guessing now but probably .01 of a pence per square metre.
The Alltec detergent one probably works out at .05 pence per sqmt. So it is really negligible.
I guess a better question would be how much profit can you make per 5 lts of concentrate. That depends on what you charge.
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Although it may be negligible, it is always a cost
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Fair point but it would be in pence per square meter.
If you are charged for water and electric plus fuel then they would be bigger costs.
If you use a colloid cleaner like bio clean or M power then you are looking at a dilution of 120 to 1 or 8.3 mils per litre. 5 lts cost £45 concentrate. Guessing now but probably .01 of a pence per square metre.
The Alltec detergent one probably works out at .05 pence per sqmt. So it is really negligible.
I guess a better question would be how much profit can you make per 5 lts of concentrate. That depends on what you charge.
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MPower is harmful for oriental rugs!
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M Power isn't harmful for rugs. I have cleaned hundreds of wool hand woven rugs using M Power.
What makes you say its harmful and how is it harmful?
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M Power isn't harmful for rugs. I have cleaned hundreds of wool hand woven rugs using M Power.
What makes you say its harmful and how is it harmful?
The 10.5 ph is too high for oriental wool rugs
For Oriental wool rug need from 5 to 8 PH
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I believe that M power is woolsafe approved, it may be ph 10.5 in concentrate but don't believe it is the same when diluted in solution.
Restoremates BioClene is essentially the same product https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5 (https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5) I used it today on some blood on a wool carpet and it worked quite well.
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M Power is certified woolsafe. I am not sure of its ph . But like I said I have cleaned many rugs and wool carpets with it.
I have never had an issue using it.
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I believe that M power is woolsafe approved, it may be ph 10.5 in concentrate but don't believe it is the same when diluted in solution.
Restoremates BioClene is essentially the same product https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5 (https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5) I used it today on some blood on a wool carpet and it worked quite well.
Restoremate BioClene is same product? Are you sure about it?
Restoremate BioClene= 5L x 29,90£
M-Power= 5L x 46,98£
How to explain this difference in costs?
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I believe that M power is woolsafe approved, it may be ph 10.5 in concentrate but don't believe it is the same when diluted in solution.
Restoremates BioClene is essentially the same product https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5 (https://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/sec6ab5c93514/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/RCBC5) I used it today on some blood on a wool carpet and it worked quite well.
Restoremate BioClene is same product? Are you sure about it?
Restoremate BioClene= 5L x 29,90£
M-Power= 5L x 46,98£
How to explain this difference in costs?
They are both colloidal products. They both have exactly the same dilution ratios. They both have exactly the same ph. They are both the same colour. They both have the same smell. They are both manufactured to do exactly the same thing.
I can't explain the price difference.
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M Power is woolsafe approved which incurs a cost. As you say Sergio anything no matter how negligible is a cost. Maybe that accounts for the difference.
On the face of it they look very similar but they are branded and marketed by 2 different companies. You could argue the same with all carpet or rug cleaning companies. On the surface it is all the same but we all have different business models and costs so the price varies.
Either way both good products both very economical and both great on wool providing you know what your doing.
Hope this helps
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When I wash the wool oriental rugs with a single-brush machine, which shampoo is suitable among these 2 shampoo?
https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/)
https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/)
Thanks
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When I wash the wool oriental rugs with a single-brush machine, which shampoo is suitable among these 2 shampoo?
https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/)
https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/)
Thanks
They are both ph neutral products.
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When I wash the wool oriental rugs with a single-brush machine, which shampoo is suitable among these 2 shampoo?
https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/contract-carpet-foam-shampoo-5l/)
https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/ (https://prochem.co.uk/product/fibre-shampoo-5l/)
Thanks
They are both ph neutral products.
What are the differences between these shampoos and the Prspray Gold?
What is the most recommended product by Prochem for washing oriental wool rugs with a single brush?
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Prespray Gold is a prespray and designed to be extracted. Shampoos are designed to crystallise and encapsulate the soil, and be vacuumed out later. Therefore the Prochem shampoo products would be more suitable to use alone with a single brush machine. As to what product is better depends entirely on the fabric type, texture, construction, dyes used, soil type and level of soiling. You could try emailing Prochem for their opinion of what you should use from their range for your application.
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I washed oriental handmade wool rugs with Prochem Prespray Gold. I also washed handmade oriental wool rugs with shampoo.
In both cases I used the same mono-brush, in both cases the products made a lot of foam, in both cases I rinsed the carpets with an injection / extraction machine with water and Prochem Fiber & Fabric Rinse. In both cases the result was satisfactory. After these tests, however, I have not yet figured out what is the most suitable product for washing oriental handmade wool rugs. Maybe I should just make an economic assessment?
In the UK, do you generally use prespray or shampoo to wash oriental handmade wool carpets?
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I washed oriental handmade wool rugs with Prochem Prespray Gold. I also washed handmade oriental wool rugs with shampoo.
In both cases I used the same mono-brush, in both cases the products made a lot of foam, in both cases I rinsed the carpets with an injection / extraction machine with water and Prochem Fiber & Fabric Rinse. In both cases the result was satisfactory. After these tests, however, I have not yet figured out what is the most suitable product for washing oriental handmade wool rugs. Maybe I should just make an economic assessment?
In the UK, do you generally use prespray or shampoo to wash oriental handmade wool carpets?
I would recommend attending a rug cleaning course, as cleaning rugs seems to be your main source of income. To answer your question regarding what products are used in the uk it depends very much on the fibre type, construction, stability of dyes, soil type, soil level, customer budget, equipment available, if the rug is cleaned in situ or at a plant, etc ... ... ....
Do you use a spanner or a screwdriver to fix a car? ..... What are more suitable to fix cars with, spanners or screwdrivers?
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I washed oriental handmade wool rugs with Prochem Prespray Gold. I also washed handmade oriental wool rugs with shampoo.
In both cases I used the same mono-brush, in both cases the products made a lot of foam, in both cases I rinsed the carpets with an injection / extraction machine with water and Prochem Fiber & Fabric Rinse. In both cases the result was satisfactory. After these tests, however, I have not yet figured out what is the most suitable product for washing oriental handmade wool rugs. Maybe I should just make an economic assessment?
In the UK, do you generally use prespray or shampoo to wash oriental handmade wool carpets?
I would recommend attending a rug cleaning course, as cleaning rugs seems to be your main source of income. To answer your question regarding what products are used in the uk it depends very much on the fibre type, construction, stability of dyes, soil type, soil level, customer budget, equipment available, if the rug is cleaned in situ or at a plant, etc ... ... ....
Do you use a spanner or a screwdriver to fix a car? ..... What are more suitable to fix cars with, spanners or screwdrivers?
For example:
An handmade oriental wool rugs (white color inside, red color in the bordure), very dirty, poor color stability, classic dirt caused by foot traffic, no budget limit.
Equipment Available:
Dusting Machine: Sebo BS 360
https://sebo.co.uk/bs36-262/ (https://sebo.co.uk/bs36-262/)
Agitation machine: MonoBrush Ghibli SB 143 L 13
https://www.ghibliwirbel.com/it/122-SB-143-L-13.html (https://www.ghibliwirbel.com/it/122-SB-143-L-13.html)
Injection/Extraction Machine for rinse: Santoemma Sabrina Maxi
https://www.santoemma.com/default.php?t=ecomm&eid=00003&vimgd=&el1=100&el2=10000&lang=IT (https://www.santoemma.com/default.php?t=ecomm&eid=00003&vimgd=&el1=100&el2=10000&lang=IT)
In this theoretical case, which detergent is most suitable?
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I washed oriental handmade wool rugs with Prochem Prespray Gold. I also washed handmade oriental wool rugs with shampoo.
In both cases I used the same mono-brush, in both cases the products made a lot of foam, in both cases I rinsed the carpets with an injection / extraction machine with water and Prochem Fiber & Fabric Rinse. In both cases the result was satisfactory. After these tests, however, I have not yet figured out what is the most suitable product for washing oriental handmade wool rugs. Maybe I should just make an economic assessment?
In the UK, do you generally use prespray or shampoo to wash oriental handmade wool carpets?
I would recommend attending a rug cleaning course, as cleaning rugs seems to be your main source of income. To answer your question regarding what products are used in the uk it depends very much on the fibre type, construction, stability of dyes, soil type, soil level, customer budget, equipment available, if the rug is cleaned in situ or at a plant, etc ... ... ....
Do you use a spanner or a screwdriver to fix a car? ..... What are more suitable to fix cars with, spanners or screwdrivers?
For example:
An handmade oriental wool rugs (white color inside, red color in the bordure), very dirty, poor color stability, classic dirt caused by foot traffic, no budget limit.
Equipment Available:
Dusting Machine: Sebo BS 360
https://sebo.co.uk/bs36-262/ (https://sebo.co.uk/bs36-262/)
Agitation machine: MonoBrush Ghibli SB 143 L 13
https://www.ghibliwirbel.com/it/122-SB-143-L-13.html (https://www.ghibliwirbel.com/it/122-SB-143-L-13.html)
Injection/Extraction Machine for rinse: Santoemma Sabrina Maxi
https://www.santoemma.com/default.php?t=ecomm&eid=00003&vimgd=&el1=100&el2=10000&lang=IT (https://www.santoemma.com/default.php?t=ecomm&eid=00003&vimgd=&el1=100&el2=10000&lang=IT)
In this theoretical case, which detergent is most suitable?
Try both and let us know..
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As I wrote earlier, I've already tried them both. It seems to me with the same results
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You've already answered your own post. Robin and myself have tried to answer. But you disregard our input and it seems like you are trying to extract the urine, not just from rugs either.
The reason both worked was because both were suitable, there is no 1 product and there are many.
So if you are looking for the best product for the job you already have it.
I am sure you can find something else to add to this thread or argue.
Have a great day.
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You've already answered your own post. Robin and myself have tried to answer. But you disregard our input and it seems like you are trying to extract the urine, not just from rugs either.
The reason both worked was because both were suitable, there is no 1 product and there are many.
So if you are looking for the best product for the job you already have it.
I am sure you can find something else to add to this thread or argue.
Have a great day.
I believe there is nothing wrong with comparing ideas. The forum is not a first aid, question answer, but the forum is a place to find ideas to discuss. My questions wanted to be a starting point for discussion
have a great day
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Oh I see now sorry. I thought you were just asking a question. I see what you mean now. Sorry I misunderstood your thread.
Cheers