Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on March 15, 2019, 02:50:41 pm
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Sadly I have made the decision over the last few days to leave this forum and I really do mean for good. I wont be joining other forums either.
Before I go into why I want to say first that I really think some people on here must be mad. Years ago when I was starting out or wanting to grow I had no idea how. I spent a lot of time looking online for another company to emulate. There wasn't one. I would have done anything to just know it was possible to achieve my goals. I didn't even know there was a forum to ask for help. I had to just think for myself instead.
I have been on here for just over 10 years and feel I have helped or inspired many people. I have also been helped and inspired. These days I come on to try and show what can be done and to help push our industry forward but most of what I do and say is seen as either bragging or just showing off which actually is totally wrong. It makes me sad that so many see it that way.
While there are lots of people here like me there are to many that just want to bring you down. Personally I think Dry Clean should be removed for good, all he does is hijack a thread and bring it down .Hes not the only one that contributes nothing but hate and negative energy. No offence moderators but you only seem to moderate bad language, you let people like him continue and drive away people that have had real success and could really contribute to others big or small. I can only think the real reason for this is money. This forum is a business and makes its money from advertising, the more members the better so people like him are allowed to continue dragging the quality down in order to have volume instead.
I have come to realise that I really don't need anything from this forum. My reason to be here was to connect with like minded people, there just doesn't seem to be many of them! I find it fun to be here most of the time and it helps keep me focussed but I don't expect to be abused and torn to pieces EVERY time I post by hating jealous people. People who have never met me and hide like cowards behind fake names. Its a total joke on here now.
I try to bring topics that are bigger than the latest brush or pole and more about running a proper business. I am astonished that more people arnt interested in this. I think it reflects badly on the general mentality of the industry. I hoped to be talking to business owners here big or small makes no difference. Instead its just window cleaners who cant see past the next clean or day.
Don't get me wrong Im all for others opinions on things but the level of abuse is something I am not up for anymore.
I now may not do our youtube chanel as im sure that will be just as it is here and frankly why the hell should I try and help these kinds of people. Its not well recieved or appreciated.
I will be removing all my previous posts from the very start 10 years ago so it will be like I was never here. I certainly wont be back under my name or a fake.
So I want to round off on a posetive note.
I will continue to push on and grow until I reach my goal, my dream of being the biggest residential company in the UK. Nothing will stop me, not haters on her or anything else. Its not all about money or cars or holidays for me as some keep trying to say in their constant nasty way. Its about personal achievement, building something to be proud of, its about having fun. Those that really do want advice or just a chat are always welcome to pick up the phone, send an email or even drop into my office for a coffee.
I want to personally thank all the fantastic people that have either helped or inspired me over the years, some of which are still on here.
So the last thing I want to say on this forum is the line that has always been at the bottom of every post I made and that I believe is so true in any business.
THE BEST WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE IS TO CREATE IT.
Take care everyone.
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Sad day :'(
U could always change to a fake name and slaughter dry clean.
All the best!
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you have showed a lot of people what can be achieved in this industry if you want to make a big company , it can be done. you can have an income coming in even in retirement,, no worries. ideal if you have family working with you.
good luck.
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watch the door doesnt slam into you on your way out lee.........(old CIU saying!).......... ;D
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watch the door doesnt slam into you on your way out lee.........(old CIU saying!).......... ;D
You're so cruel Daz😱😱
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Great post Lee, I don't blame you. What you have done so far is amazing. When I started 8 years ago I discovered this forum and really help me, now it's not the same at all, shame really. What don't you go on facebook, not always better but mods are much better, no money involved. It would be nice to hear from you again, I don't have the balls in all fairness to do something similar but you should be proud of yourself Sir. Ben
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A truly sad, sad day 😥. The poor bloke has been trying to give help and now he feels like he's been run out of town. Goodbye Sir Prior, you will be missed ☹️
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You don’t need my best wishes of luck, you’re already further than most
Try the Federation of small business, they may have more receptive to your growth plans.
To add, this is so typically you though, don’t just stop posting and look in occasionally, you have to have the last word.
Can I still be a hot water tester? lol
Regards
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Good luck Lee.
We will keep in touch.
I have to say, this is exactly what happened to clean ing pros eventually. It turned from being a half decent business forum, to a bunch of middle aged window cleaners with various chips on their shoulders.
If lee isn't returning, then i wont be coming back here either, its lees posts that are the only ones that are worth reading, and getting inspired from.
Today was the day clean it up lost its mojo.
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I will really miss your posts about what car you drive, how much your car cost, what watch you wear, where you holiday, etc,etc. really inspirational stuff, 👋 👋
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Good luck Lee.
We will keep in touch.
I have to say, this is exactly what happened to clean ing pros eventually. It turned from being a half decent business forum, to a bunch of middle aged window cleaners with various chips on their shoulders.
If lee isn't returning, then i wont be coming back here either, its lees posts that are the only ones that are worth reading, and getting inspired from.
Today was the day clean it up lost its mojo.
Not a total loss then 😂
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I will see you in Sept it is your round
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Iv not been on hear long with only a few posts
On one of lees threads of 200k booked I posted and lee welcomed me
I was impressed with what he was doing so started to read all his last post on threads and haven’t stoped reading
The info and advice he has gave on this forum is absolute gold for someone like me growing my business from wanting to grow from 2 vans to as many as possible but doubted it could be done until I meet lee on hear and has proved it can be
To lee......thank you for your positive posts on hear it’s gave me huge inspiration to move forward in the same direction you have and I hope you decide to find another avenue to share your advice as I will be looking out for it.
I wish you luck we all need a little mate
To the....negative girl thingys on hear that hide behind fake names digging people out grow a pair you wasters
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Oh for heaven's sake, what a drama queen!🙄
In the grand scheme of things, personally I think that Lee has given very little to this place in a "genuine" manner. Just like this post, most of his posts are quite narcissistic and only given for the expected return of having his ego stroked. Most of the genuine guys on here give for no return, always have done and continue to do so- and there are many. Normal, genuine people like to just help if they can and that makes them happy in itself. However, attention seeking narcissists get no pleasure unless they are recieving a foot in return for an inch!
My advice is grow up, man up and get over yourself. Stop acting like a petulant teenager! ::)roll
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Even for a one man band like me who's not too many years off retirement some of the stuff Lee wrote I could take and use.
It's true that a lot of people on here are very helpful, wanting nothing in return except maybe a thank you.
I'll continue to come on here and take and give tips if I can, but sometimes it's not WHAT you're saying so much as HOW you're saying it.
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You cannot argue with how much Lee has helped others, I have received emails and read many posts on here saying the same. It may not have helped you which is fine but it's certainly helped others. Being in the top 10 "liked members" out of over 34,000 certainly backs this up.
He will certainly be missed on this forum by many and personally from us here at Clean It Up we certainly hope to see you back on CIU in the future Lee. Best of luck with everything, you are always welcome back.
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You cannot argue with how much Lee has helped others, I have received emails and read many posts on here saying the same. It may not have helped you which is fine but it's certainly helped others. Being in the top 10 "liked members" out of over 34,000 certainly backs this up.
He will certainly be missed on this forum by many and personally from us here at Clean It Up we certainly hope to see you back on CIU in the future Lee. Best of luck with everything, you are always welcome back.
Where are these statistics? Can u see where abouts you are on the list, for a laugh or a cry ;D ? Who gets to vote n where
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Hi Nathan,
We can certainly see from this end, you're clearly in the top 10 club too!
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Hi Nathan,
We can certainly see from this end, you're clearly in the top 10 club too!
I'll bet Daz is up there as well
And Nathan just can't stop yapping, can he😂😂😂
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In fact I'm guessing that Daz may even be THE top dog🐶🐶🐶🐶
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The thing is, out of the 30,000 members only a very small percentage are of the mindset of Lee. The majority are the unfortunates like myself who window clean precisely to avoid the stresses of running a business and have no desire to employ or run a larger business. To us Lee contributes nothing at all. No doubt the small minority who want to be big in the world of business find his posts enthralling. Unfortunately Lee appears to be so single minded, so lacking in humour that when under pressure he hits back by bragging his achievements (the Rolex watch, the BMW, the holidays in Dubai etc etc).
The day this forum becomes just a window cleaning business forum is the day I’ll bugger off too. Got to have a laugh and hear about bad days too otherwise we’ll all end up mental.
Talking of business sucesses ......... what about Alex Gardiner? Windowcleaner to business owner, no tantrums, no bragging, polite, helpful, successful and all round nice guy and willing to talk about brushes.
(Alex, you know where I live). 😉
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It’s just window cleaning.
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Hi Nathan,
We can certainly see from this end, you're clearly in the top 10 club too!
I'll bet Daz is up there as well
And Nathan just can't stop yapping, can he😂😂😂
I have too or if not i start posting vids and nobody wants that ;D ;D ;D lol
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personally i think the mods on here are to soft and don't follow there own rules (trolling) ,and this is why these post get in to a bitch fight.
sort it out mods :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ as it about the worst mod forum i been on
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As someone who has only been going a couple of year and who will be looking to grow my business, I found Lee's posts very imformative, it always seems to be the same dullard posters who end up getting his threads locked, can only presume they are jealous of what he's achieved. His posts will be a big miss on here. Good luck.
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personally i think the mods on here are to soft and don't follow there own rules (trolling) ,and this is why these post get in to a bitch fight.
sort it out mods :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ as it about the worst mod forum i been on
Totally agree. And the mods join in.
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its a shame Lee.
I enjoyed your posts. very informative , and helpful.
good luck and continued success for the future.
there are some great guys on this forum, that give help. unfortunately there is a handful of guys, that never give and just seem to want to do sarcastic one liners, or just churn out drivel and negativity.
therefore I rarely post, and mainly gleam info from the good guys...
its probably the same for many others, the writing is on the wall for cleanitup.
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Well, he's still here and online!!🤔
Get your questions in quick!!
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I've always found this forum a useful and great place. If a topic is not for me I just stay away and let the ones that do get on with it.
If you don't like the forum then stop weeping and just leave. All social media platforms have the same sort of issues, it's how you deal with them that really matter
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As often happens with forums, the genuine helpful folk get driven away by trolls, and those that just want to cause unrest. I have seen it so many times on the car forum I'm a member of.
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I personally have a lot of respect for what Lee has accomplished and I tip my hat to you sir!
I really get involved with his posts as his business model is way above my head. He has showed me what I could never do or would have the guts to do, even in my younger days. I appreciate that he risked everything to build his business, something very few men with family responsibilities would dare to do.
Some might argue that he didn't sacrifice everything because he had Mom and Dad to support him in growing his business. He was fortunate but also made the best of his circumstances.
Would I like to manage a team of window cleaners and vans? No, because not only does Lee have to manage, organise, motivate and monitor them, he also has to spent time on the marketing side of his business. These are all skills I don't have. He also has to keep abreast of new legislation with regard to his business administration.
As sole traders, we have little idea of how goverment (and EU) legislators are stiffling larger business with paper trails to prove this, that and the other.
From a selfish point of view, I'm sorry that he isn't participating on the forum because we will now not have his experience and input on their new water heater that they were/are pioneering. So if it proves successful, we all loose out.
I can see why Simple Joe Window Shining might be concerned if Lee was flooding his customers with target mailers, but if he was doing his job properly his customers wouldn't consider changing service providers. I haven't heard one windie on here complaining that he has lost custom to Lee.
In fact, often large scale advertising by one large business in an area stirs up the 'enquiry' pot for everyone else working the same area.
I'm sorry you have chosen to do this and hope you do come back on here from time to time.
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If lee isn't returning, then i wont be coming back here either,
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I personally have a lot of respect for what Lee has accomplished and I tip my hat to you sir!
I really get involved with his posts as his business model is way above my head. He has showed me what I could never do or would have the guts to do, even in my younger days. I appreciate that he risked everything to build his business, something very few men with family responsibilities would dare to do.
Some might argue that he didn't sacrifice everything because he had Mom and Dad to support him in growing his business. He was fortunate but also made the best of his circumstances.
Would I like to manage a team of window cleaners and vans? No, because not only does Lee have to manage, organise, motivate and monitor them, he also has to spent time on the marketing side of his business. These are all skills I don't have. He also has to keep abreast of new legislation with regard to his business administration.
As sole traders, we have little idea of how goverment (and EU) legislators are stiffling larger business with paper trails to prove this, that and the other.
From a selfish point of view, I'm sorry that he isn't participating on the forum because we will now not have his experience and input on their new water heater that they were/are pioneering. So if it proves successful, we all loose out.
I can see why Simple Joe Window Shining might be concerned if Lee was flooding his customers with target mailers, but if he was doing his job properly his customers wouldn't consider changing service providers. I haven't heard one windie on here complaining that he has lost custom to Lee.
In fact, often large scale advertising by one large business in an area stirs up the 'enquiry' pot for everyone else working the same area.
I'm sorry you have chosen to do this and hope you do come back on here from time to time.
Rarely would I agree with every point in a post but this hits the nail on the head.
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Hi Lee
Sorry you feel you have to leave.
I admire what you've done and although your posts are irrelevant to my situation, I have always found them interesting, informative and motivating. When I spoke to you on the phone (regarding supermarket foyer advertising) I found you very helpful, driven and positive. You had time to share your experiences, thank you for that.
Which is why I find it odd that you have chosen to leave! Surely you're not going to let a few people on a forum dictate the way you present yourself? They are offering an alternative viewpoint after all; albeit 'not in the best possible taste'! I understand there was some rudeness and personal comments, but come on...really!...it's a forum; it's words put together to provoke a response.
But perhaps, sometimes, we don't like what we here!
Personally, I hope you stay and carry on 'doing what you do' but if you feel you have to leave for your own personal well being, than that is your choice.
Whichever you choose, best wishes.
Regards
Robbo
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Hi Nathan,
We can certainly see from this end, you're clearly in the top 10 club too!
Me too and I've been banned more times than most others. So much for statistics.
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Lee
I have read your post (three times) and I cannot see the word "frustration" this is what I believe you are feeling.Albeit a long time lurker(just a recent poster) I feel compelled to say the following "never say never". I understand that the constant baracking by the knuckle draggers is off putting, stick in there mate. Consider the following, you are operating a multi van operation, as you grow, you are getting to grips with the complexities or indeed nuances of whats envolved, you are making and more importantly"PAYING" for the mistakes/errors you are making.When you share these tips/advice you are really making a huge difference to the others with aspiration who are looking on seeking advise/inspiration.I get the fact you are a net contributor, however think back to when you started out,would you have been disapointed when a valuable resource such as yours disapeared.
Put a stay of execution on your decision, see what if anything the admins of this forum come up with to resolve the issue.Failing that,if you are passionate (like I am) of helping others to grow their business "i.e. possess a healthy balance sheet" pm me and we can have a chat.
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If lee isn't returning, then i wont be coming back here either,
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1552681435_goodnight.jpeg)
That Song from Andrea Bocelli Springs to Mind! ;D
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I have always enjoyed reading Lee's posts and watching his progress, personally speaking I would not want the stress of being that big (far to old now) but I do believe he is an inspiration to many other young guys that would care to expand as he as done.
sadly there will always be some people that are jealous of others success , only a few days ago I started a thread about "My Pet Hate" and a few have slagged me off for saying that I charged £10 for fronts only accusing me of BS, one can only assume that these offenders are jealous or just plain nasty.
During my time on this forum I indeed have noticed that there are a few trolls or keyboard warriors on here who hide behind their computer screen.
Personally like Lee I use my real name (no false ones) and where I'm based (Southampton) and have nothing to hide from or indeed boast about any success big or small.
Lee you have been an inspiration to many guys on here so please reconsider or as someone else has already mentioned , why not start your own forum, I for one would join to see how you are growing,
Good Luck buddy and keep us all informed in which direction you decide to take,
Jay
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Starting a new thread to announce a departure from the forum, what a drama queen. 😂
Just use the forums ignore function if you don’t want criticism.
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Oh for heaven's sake, what a drama queen!🙄
In the grand scheme of things, personally I think that Lee has given very little to this place in a "genuine" manner. Just like this post, most of his posts are quite narcissistic and only given for the expected return of having his ego stroked. Most of the genuine guys on here give for no return, always have done and continue to do so- and there are many. Normal, genuine people like to just help if they can and that makes them happy in itself. However, attention seeking narcissists get no pleasure unless they are recieving a foot in return for an inch!
My advice is grow up, man up and get over yourself. Stop acting like a petulant teenager! ::)roll
Agree.
Last 3 threads
1. Lee pryors questions
2. Ban dry clean
3. I'm leaving
Get over yourself Lee, you sold your house stuck the capital into millions of leaflets, got the phone ringing and employed lots of staff.
Whilst brave and extremely stressfull and hard work it's not rocket science.
The best thing about this forum is the characters such as dry clean, if you want sensible mature discussion with rules etc go join the other forum it's much tamer.
I like this forum because it's full of bored middle aged **** lol mod note: Do not swear
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The thing is, out of the 30,000 members only a very small percentage are of the mindset of Lee. The majority are the unfortunates like myself who window clean precisely to avoid the stresses of running a business and have no desire to employ or run a larger business. To us Lee contributes nothing at all. No doubt the small minority who want to be big in the world of business find his posts enthralling. Unfortunately Lee appears to be so single minded, so lacking in humour that when under pressure he hits back by bragging his achievements (the Rolex watch, the BMW, the holidays in Dubai etc etc).
The day this forum becomes just a window cleaning business forum is the day I’ll bugger off too. Got to have a laugh and hear about bad days too otherwise we’ll all end up mental.
Talking of business sucesses ......... what about Alex Gardiner? Windowcleaner to business owner, no tantrums, no bragging, polite, helpful, successful and all round nice guy and willing to talk about brushes.
I totally agree with Dave’s post here. It completely sums up how I was feeling about Lee Pryors posts.
I wish him all the best. But tbh, I only read them to see others viewpoints, because I felt there was always the underlying current of self promotion and superiority. He gives it away in references regarding others viewpoints , size of his operations compared with...etc etc.
If everybody were to go big on this scale with their business, how many small independent operators would there be? How difficult would it be to get a foothold and a decent living in the marketplace?
In the end , to want to become a big operation goes beyond seeking a comfortable living, it just becomes greed. Greed is never satisfied. Greed tramples all over other people. That’s big business for you!!!
(Alex, you know where I live). 😉
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It don't help matters when after a little scrap and the thread gets locked to start another thread over anf over again and blame the mods.
Always best to walk away and move on. Life to short.
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I like this forum because it's full of bored middle aged dickheads lol
;D ;D ;D
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I take it the hot water system was a no starter then