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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on November 08, 2017, 07:52:07 am
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ok so maybe i was a bit harsh on the hot water guys on another thread! ;D
i think my problems were changing gas bottles which was a pain sometimes,the obvious safety aspect(BOOM!!!!) and the general extra faff thats involved with gas heaters.also they dont keep the van from freezing overnight.
so diesel heaters?my main problems/doubts over the years have been the obvious initial cost and fitting,also IMO there is no point installing a diesel system in an old van if your going to need to change it in a few years.also do they need to be serviced every year?and how many extra batteries do you need to run it?
as ive got a new van if i decide to keep it at the end of the lease it could easily last me 10 years so fitting a diesel hot system could be a good investment.
so basically you guys that use these systems just fill up with diesel as usual and make sure you charge your batteries up every night?do they have frost stat so if the temp drops below a certain temperature the heater kicks in to stop everything freezing? as long as you keep it serviced hopefully it should last a long time.
im fine with cold water BUT obviously the hose is less manageable in the winter months and even though it doesnt speed me up using hot water it probably makes cleaning that bit easier overall.
also what heaters have you got?pure freedom?,grippatank?and can they fit them to any wfp system?
cheers guys
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It was bound to happen ::)roll ;D. If you want to make a good investment to make your day easier get an electric reel.
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Daz, pop over or meet up one day and Ill show you how my system is setup. Im using a webasto 90st from facelift and it was a bit mind boggling when I first got it but no I recon I could build my own if I needed to. As Spruce said, a Thermotop can be had for about £380 with all the bits.
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And there was me thinking hot made no difference Daz ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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All the above suppliers you mentioned allnuse he same but they don’t use the main brain I now have it’s still a top C 300 series but it will still work on much lower voltage,the normal 1 will switch off at around 11-4volts mine will still run at 10 volts without turning off. You don’t need to charge every night mine is working I haven’t charged my batteries for over 6 months but it’s split charged if it drops to low at some jobs I turn the van on for more juice but I’m only doing this every now and again on large work when I’m there well over an hour,recirculating water back to tank keeps water piping hot when driving from job to job,any half decent garage will fit it for you 4 bolts through the floor and 2 1” holes for exhaust worth the money forget L5 toys.
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If I was to give any advise to anyone starting WFP I would say start with hot water and electric reel from day 1,hot water will show you that WFP works well and reduces complaints 10 fold imo snail trails bee spots in summer PVC it cleans all of them 100% better.
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Just the fact hat you can see your using hot water impresses existing and future customers.
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ok so maybe i was a bit harsh on the hot water guys on another thread! ;D
i think my problems were changing gas bottles which was a pain sometimes,the obvious safety aspect(BOOM!!!!) and the general extra faff thats involved with gas heaters.also they dont keep the van from freezing overnight.
so diesel heaters?my main problems/doubts over the years have been the obvious initial cost and fitting,also IMO there is no point installing a diesel system in an old van if your going to need to change it in a few years.also do they need to be serviced every year?and how many extra batteries do you need to run it?
as ive got a new van if i decide to keep it at the end of the lease it could easily last me 10 years so fitting a diesel hot system could be a good investment.
so basically you guys that use these systems just fill up with diesel as usual and make sure you charge your batteries up every night?do they have frost stat so if the temp drops below a certain temperature the heater kicks in to stop everything freezing? as long as you keep it serviced hopefully it should last a long time.
im fine with cold water BUT obviously the hose is less manageable in the winter months and even though it doesnt speed me up using hot water it probably makes cleaning that bit easier overall.
also what heaters have you got?pure freedom?,grippatank?and can they fit them to any wfp system?
cheers guys
Hi Dazmond
We use the Grippatank Hot Water System, as stated it uses the Van's diesel with safety measures in place to ensure the tank is not drained, batteries are charged via an intelligent Split Charger and the system incorporates a "Frost Stat". Simply connect the hose to the recirculation pipe at the end of each day, if temp falls to 2 degrees the system will "fire up" for ten minutes and repeat if required.
Very easy to use.
HTH
John
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If I was to give any advise to anyone starting WFP I would say start with hot water and electric reel from day 1,hot water will show you that WFP works well and reduces complaints 10 fold imo snail trails bee spots in summer PVC it cleans all of them 100% better.
Jeeeze would you stop waffling crap, who are you trying to convince ? yourself ?, Dazmond is looking advice on a diesel system
because he thinks hot does, doesn't, does, doesn't , does, doesn't, does, doesn't, does make the job easier, he's not looking for another lecture on how you think its impossible to clean without it.
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Frost mode is to stop everything freezing which is good we won’t talk about that too much though coz the cold users won’t umderstand this it’s far to complicated fo then to comprehend 😂,recirculating the water after each job when travelling will keep the water hotter and save battery life through the day.
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Easy Daz route your water through the heated seats!
Only joking and hope all is good with you.
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ok so maybe i was a bit harsh on the hot water guys on another thread! ;D
i think my problems were changing gas bottles which was a pain sometimes,the obvious safety aspect(BOOM!!!!) and the general extra faff thats involved with gas heaters.also they dont keep the van from freezing overnight.
so diesel heaters?my main problems/doubts over the years have been the obvious initial cost and fitting,also IMO there is no point installing a diesel system in an old van if your going to need to change it in a few years.also do they need to be serviced every year?and how many extra batteries do you need to run it?
as ive got a new van if i decide to keep it at the end of the lease it could easily last me 10 years so fitting a diesel hot system could be a good investment.
so basically you guys that use these systems just fill up with diesel as usual and make sure you charge your batteries up every night?do they have frost stat so if the temp drops below a certain temperature the heater kicks in to stop everything freezing? as long as you keep it serviced hopefully it should last a long time.
im fine with cold water BUT obviously the hose is less manageable in the winter months and even though it doesnt speed me up using hot water it probably makes cleaning that bit easier overall.
also what heaters have you got?pure freedom?,grippatank?and can they fit them to any wfp system?
cheers guys
Hi Dazmond
We use the Grippatank Hot Water System, as stated it uses the Van's diesel with safety measures in place to ensure the tank is not drained, batteries are charged via an intelligent Split Charger and the system incorporates a "Frost Stat". Simply connect the hose to the recirculation pipe at the end of each day, if temp falls to 2 degrees the system will "fire up" for ten minutes and repeat if required.
Very easy to use.
HTH
John
hi john ive been looking at the grippatank systems.not much change out of 4.5 k (with VAT)and fitting.that includes the split relay and batteries as well as the custom cabinet.can they fit them to any system?
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If you have 2 lengths of 1/2” hose you can fit it to anything,you can buy the kit for 1200 so 2500 for the metal cabinet and that’s no bull if you know what your buying when you add it all up that’s very close to the price.
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im gonna phone grippatank up tomorrow.you can just buy the heater,split relay,batteries and fitting on their website but i think i need to speak to them first before parting with the best part of £4.5k! ;D
its a good 3 hour drive from manchester to their fitting centre but the new van could do with a good long drive.looking forward to it! :)
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You drive it to them and they’ll drop the van back to you.
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You drive it to them and they’ll drop the van back to you.
how would i get home then?train?ill book myself into a hotel while im there.cambridgeshire has gotta be better than grimsby! :)
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You drive it to them and they’ll drop the van back to you.
how would i get home then?train?ill book myself into a hotel while im there.cambridgeshire has gotta be better than grimsby! :)
You'll probably change your mind again about hot water halfway down the road so if you're booking a hotel make sure you book one that accepts cancellations ;D
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how would i get home then?train?ill book myself into a hotel while im there.cambridgeshire has gotta be better than grimsby! :)
Why would you want to stay at a Hotel in Cambridgeshire?
GrippaTank are in Bedfordshire aint they?
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how would i get home then?train?ill book myself into a hotel while im there.cambridgeshire has gotta be better than grimsby! :)
Why would you want to stay at a Hotel in Cambridgeshire?
GrippaTank are in Bedfordshire aint they?
the fitting centre is in cambridgeshire mate. ;)
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You drive it to them and they’ll drop the van back to you.
how would i get home then?train?ill book myself into a hotel while im there.cambridgeshire has gotta be better than grimsby! :)
5 star i guess ;D
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Grippatank offer driveway fitting also which could be worth considering?
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im gonna phone grippatank up tomorrow.you can just buy the heater,split relay,batteries and fitting on their website but i think i need to speak to them first before parting with the best part of £4.5k! ;D
its a good 3 hour drive from manchester to their fitting centre but the new van could do with a good long drive.looking forward to it! :)
£4.5K its a lot of dosh isn't it just to go hot. I looked on their site yesterday and once its all totted up it comes to a lot of money. Think about it, for that kind of money you could get a reasonable second hand working vehicle.
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Its probably best to speak to Grippa, like Dazmond is going to.
Someone convince me.
What are the 'extras' required throughout the year if you run a 9KW diesel hot water system? How much is servicing and extra parts etc annually?
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We have a custom made hot system from Grippatank I wanted 3 hot pumps but Oliver after much deliberation said that it wouldn’t supply 3 hot hose reels only 2 would be hot 3 would be warm only , I opted for 2 hot and one cold , had it 3 years now exelent piece of kit I have a 1000 ltr Ionic’s pro 5 system heavily modified and the Grippatank 9kw boiler attached to it works brilliantly runs 8 hours a day 5 days a week , not been serviced in that time , local service engineers to me said it doesn’t need servicing it either works or it doesn’t , thought that a bit strange but there you go they could have charged me to service it but said there is nothing to service just replace the screen and a couple of other bits if and when it stops working , not cheap I admit I had a stainless steel cabanite for mine as I didn’t like the powder coated steel one looks amazing and doesn’t get chipped and go rusty , you seam to keep changing your mind about hot I don’t understand it you either like it or you don’t ???? Why spend that money on it if as you say it doesn’t make any difference??
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We have a custom made hot system from Grippatank I wanted 3 hot pumps but Oliver after much deliberation said that it wouldn’t supply 3 hot hose reels only 2 would be hot 3 would be warm only , I opted for 2 hot and one cold , had it 3 years now exelent piece of kit I have a 1000 ltr Ionic’s pro 5 system heavily modified and the Grippatank 9kw boiler attached to it works brilliantly runs 8 hours a day 5 days a week , not been serviced in that time , local service engineers to me said it doesn’t need servicing it either works or it doesn’t , thought that a bit strange but there you go they could have charged me to service it but said there is nothing to service just replace the screen and a couple of other bits if and when it stops working , not cheap I admit I had a stainless steel cabanite for mine as I didn’t like the powder coated steel one looks amazing and doesn’t get chipped and go rusty , you seam to keep changing your mind about hot I don’t understand it you either like it or you don’t ???? Why spend that money on it if as you say it doesn’t make any difference??
Please enlighten us. Thanks.
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We have a custom made hot system from Grippatank I wanted 3 hot pumps but Oliver after much deliberation said that it wouldn’t supply 3 hot hose reels only 2 would be hot 3 would be warm only , I opted for 2 hot and one cold , had it 3 years now exelent piece of kit I have a 1000 ltr Ionic’s pro 5 system heavily modified and the Grippatank 9kw boiler attached to it works brilliantly runs 8 hours a day 5 days a week , not been serviced in that time , local service engineers to me said it doesn’t need servicing it either works or it doesn’t , thought that a bit strange but there you go they could have charged me to service it but said there is nothing to service just replace the screen and a couple of other bits if and when it stops working , not cheap I admit I had a stainless steel cabanite for mine as I didn’t like the powder coated steel one looks amazing and doesn’t get chipped and go rusty , you seam to keep changing your mind about hot I don’t understand it you either like it or you don’t ???? Why spend that money on it if as you say it doesn’t make any difference??
Please enlighten us. Thanks.
I have changed most of the filtration film tech twin ros; two separate carbon and 5 micron filters , high flow booster pump to fill produced 1000 ltr of pure In about 2 -2:5 hours 25 ltr spectrum di vessel , 3 pumps , digital controllers , 9 kw boiler
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Why don't you just fit a heating element Dazmond.
Ive got a 3KW 27inch, got a electrician to fit an 16 amp out door socket and upgrade electrics and
put a timer inside.
Cost was probably £250:00 all in.
Dazzler
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Why don't you just fit a heating element Dazmond.
Ive got a 3KW 27inch, got a electrician to fit an 16 amp out door socket and upgrade electrics and
put a timer inside.
Cost was probably £250:00 all in.
Dazzler
Thats what i would do if i ever wanted hot, couple of immersion elements.
Must be mad to 1... Put gas in your van or 2... spend 5 grand on a diesel heater
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im gonna phone grippatank up tomorrow.you can just buy the heater,split relay,batteries and fitting on their website but i think i need to speak to them first before parting with the best part of £4.5k! ;D
its a good 3 hour drive from manchester to their fitting centre but the new van could do with a good long drive.looking forward to it! :)
£4.5K its a lot of dosh isn't it just to go hot. I looked on their site yesterday and once its all totted up it comes to a lot of money. Think about it, for that kind of money you could get a reasonable second hand working vehicle.
spoke to oliver today.yep its a lot of money matt but tbh im sick to death of messing about with gas heaters and after my last scare with them ive been cold only which is fine but my hose is like wire esp during the last week or so and hot water is better than cold as you know esp for first cleans and add ons so ive bit the bullet.
with my new van ive decided to pay the balloon payment when the lease is up as i reckon itll last 10 years( at least).i only do around 4000 miles a year,if that.so i see it as an investment.now is a good time to fit a diesel heater at the start of my vans life.
there s guys that have had these types of diesel heaters for 10 years+ with very little problems.yes they need a service now and then of course.
ive also opted for the smart chargers for the van too as well as all fitting/plumbing etc.
nearly £750 is VAT out of nearly 4.5k!! ::)roll ;D
the thought of just being able to use hot water whenever i want(without running out of gas and having to change bottles!)and not having to worry at night when its below freezing(frost stat as standard on these heaters)and finally getting rid of my pumpbox(pump will be housed in the heater unit)swung it for me.
ive never had anything "professionally fitted" so its about time after 24 years of window cleaning! ;D
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When're you getting it done?
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When're you getting it done?
he not now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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ive had the quote from oliver and ive accepted it so he ll get back to me tomorrow probably matt.i think they can fit me in sometime in december so itll be an early xmas pressie to myself. 8)
he said they are VERY busy at the moment though.some of the grippa guys have been working night shifts to get through the work lately.
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All the above suppliers you mentioned allnuse he same but they don’t use the main brain I now have it’s still a top C 300 series but it will still work on much lower voltage,the normal 1 will switch off at around 11-4volts mine will still run at 10 volts without turning off. You don’t need to charge every night mine is working I haven’t charged my batteries for over 6 months but it’s split charged if it drops to low at some jobs I turn the van on for more juice but I’m only doing this every now and again on large work when I’m there well over an hour,recirculating water back to tank keeps water piping hot when driving from job to job,any half decent garage will fit it for you 4 bolts through the floor and 2 1” holes for exhaust worth the money forget L5 toys.
I don't understand why you've changed your system to one that will wotk at 10v. If you are running your battery that low you are damaging it. Why not just set it up do it never drops below 11.5v?
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Dazmond ...... i was lucky enough to get a secondhand purefreedom 9kw diesel heater secondhand for £280 , fitted it myself and has been flawless for about a year now , would hate to be without it.
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Dazmond ...... i was lucky enough to get a secondhand purefreedom 9kw diesel heater secondhand for £280 , fitted it myself and has been flawless for about a year now , would hate to be without it.
i remember when you got it.im sure you just had to fix the pump if i recall correctly?
i wouldnt have a hope in hell of fitting it myself!drilling into my fuel tank and drilling holes in the floor for exhaust gases?i dont think so!ill leave it to the experts. ;)
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
What is this stiff hose I hear of anyway? Can't remember ever having a stiff hose in winter. It's either frozen or it's not? Dont get it?
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
What is this stiff hose I hear of anyway? Can't remember ever having a stiff hose in winter. It's either frozen or it's not? Dont get it?
I'm sure you will have noticed the reel hose gets slightly stiffer in the cooler months, it wouldn't be a major concern to most.
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Mines permanently stiff. It’s why I’m awake at half past five in the morning.
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You’ve decided to pay the balloon payment on your van already..? You’ve got another 4 1/2 years of monthly payments mate, you may think you’ve decided but you haven’t got a choice yet mate!!!
(Imo you’d be mental paying the balloon on a lease, you should have gone down the HP route)
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Doesn't matter how hot your water is, it's still gonna freeze on the footpaths under the windows.
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
yes i lost the plot many years ago sean! ;D
i didnt want to cut a hole in my tank plus id have to upgrade electrics etc.also the water doesnt get hot enough to make a difference on add ons and first cleans from just using an immersion.i do a lot more than "a few first cleans a year"as you put it.same with add ons.ive picked up 2 full f/s/g cleans with conny roofs in the last week alone.
i look at it this way......say i earn 20k more than you a year sean.over the course of 10 years thats £200,000.take off £30,000 for a new van,hot diesel system,new poles etc and another £9,000 on diesel(if using heater every day) for running the heater,say another 3k on servicing,parts etc ive still got £158,000!
most vans ive had previously have been over 10 years old and lasted me roughly 3 or 4 years so my van will easily last 10 years and then itll only have around 40,000 on the clock so ill still get a few grand for it.
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
yes i lost the plot many years ago sean! ;D
i didnt want to cut a hole in my tank plus id have to upgrade electrics etc.also the water doesnt get hot enough to make a difference on add ons and first cleans from just using an immersion.i do a lot more than "a few first cleans a year"as you put it.same with add ons.ive picked up 2 full f/s/g cleans with conny roofs in the last week alone.
i look at it this way......say i earn 20k more than you a year sean.over the course of 10 years thats £200,000.take off £30,000 for a new van,hot diesel system,new poles etc and another £9,000 on diesel(if using heater every day) for running the heater,say another 3k on servicing,parts etc ive still got £158,000!
most vans ive had previously have been over 10 years old and lasted me roughly 3 or 4 years so my van will easily last 10 years and then itll only have around 40,000 on the clock so ill still get a few grand for it.
Confirmed, you have lost the plot, if you don't want to cut a hole in your tank and upgrade your electrics then pay somebody to do it, £300 to £500 should be more than enough.
The immersion guys will disagree on it not being good enough but that aside, as a sole trader with a full round how many first
cleans will you be doing yearly ? let say 12,
Same goes for fsg cleaning, are you intending to drop window cleaning over this type off work, I very much doubt it.
So lets look at the real savings, lets say hot saves you 15min on a first clean therefore 12 first cleans is 3 hours a year, and lets say it saves you another 12hours over the year on fsg cleans, that wouldn't even cover the cost of fuel never mind the original outlay.
Here's how you make window cleaning easier, clean as few properties as you can for as much money as you can charge, its not
constantly having to clean more to cover silly expenses, that rules the same no matter how much your earning.
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
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ive done everything in my 24 years of window cleaning sean.scrimping and scraping to get some funds together.i remember once buying a car off my next door neighbour for £90 as my engine blew up on mine! ;D(yes i was that skint!)i used to clean with holes in my shoes too!thankfully them days are just a distant memory now.
i see it as investing in my business,image is very important as well especially when working in affluent areas and of course im refining my round all the time.it never ends.i do a lot more first cleans a year than 12 sean!i usually do a few a week(sometimes its houses i used to clean and the customers moved and im cleaning for the new owners,thats very common,but theres been a gap of 6-12 months).i also usually do 3 or 4 add on jobs a month(usually double that in the spring/summer months).
anyway i dont have to justify spending money on new vans,hot systems etc,etc to anyone,least of all other window cleaners.im earning the money and i can afford it.itll also make my working day more pleasant/easier.
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
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ive done everything in my 24 years of window cleaning sean.scrimping and scraping to get some funds together.i remember once buying a car off my next door neighbour for £90 as my engine blew up on mine! ;D(yes i was that skint!)i used to clean with holes in my shoes too!thankfully them days are just a distant memory now.
i see it as investing in my business,image is very important as well especially when working in affluent areas and of course im refining my round all the time.it never ends.i do a lot more first cleans a year than 12 sean!i usually do a few a week(sometimes its houses i used to clean and the customers moved and im cleaning for the new owners,thats very common,but theres been a gap of 6-12 months).i also usually do 3 or 4 add on jobs a month(usually double that in the spring/summer months).
anyway i dont have to justify spending money on new vans,hot systems etc,etc to anyone,least of all other window cleaners.im earning the money and i can afford it.itll also make my working day more pleasant/easier.
I'm not talking about new vans Dazmond, Iv had a new van from day one, as for justifying your spending that fair enough, just
don't come on and say your doing it for sound business reasons.
Unless it saving you time it wont make your day easier they both go hand in hand.
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Good luck Dazmond with your new Grippatank heater, I'm getting one early next year, are you getting the 9 KW heater.
Lal
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
What is this stiff hose I hear of anyway? Can't remember ever having a stiff hose in winter. It's either frozen or it's not? Dont get it?
I'm sure you will have noticed the reel hose gets slightly stiffer in the cooler months, it wouldn't be a major concern to most.
Not noticed, if it comes of the reel and water comes out im happy lol
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Seriously Dazmond have you lost the plot ? an immersion heater will cost you a few hundred quid, do the same job, and you
wont have to drive your van until it falls apart, £4.5k for softer hoses and a couple of first cleans a year, (please take this constructively ) mate you need to give your head a wobble.
What is this stiff hose I hear of anyway? Can't remember ever having a stiff hose in winter. It's either frozen or it's not? Dont get it?
I'm sure you will have noticed the reel hose gets slightly stiffer in the cooler months, it wouldn't be a major concern to most.
Not noticed, if it comes of the reel and water comes out im happy lol
So are most Adam, some people just constantly need to be fixing no matter if it needs fixed or not.
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Daz, if you want a new van and whatever kit you furnish it with go ahead.
Enjoy your sobriety and reward yourself with whatever you feel fits the bill.
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ive had the quote from oliver and ive accepted it so he ll get back to me tomorrow probably matt.i think they can fit me in sometime in december so itll be an early xmas pressie to myself. 8)
he said they are VERY busy at the moment though.some of the grippa guys have been working night shifts to get through the work lately.
Nice. What power system have you opted for your one man set up?
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
Got a link for them?
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
Yeah what i mean is you do limited driving so your not really going to get any benefit out of the split relay system, i would imagine you will still need to bench charge every night still.
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It’s like anything put it in a flashy cabinet and it looks the dogs,some have an orange one some have a Mat black one they are ALL the same thermo top C series 300. Market a dog terd in the right way some would buy it,you just need the pump,plate exchanger ,header tank,1 meter of exhaust and the main unit and away you go,it can be wired to a heatwave flow controller in minutes like I said 2500 for a metal cabinet and 3-4 hours fitting.
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Well I brought 1 lol 😂 never again
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Will be Interesting to hear how it all goes Daz,
Remember that it’s tax deductible, so that drops down the £4500 to about £3200. Pretty affordable really if it’s going to be reliable and make your working day much easier.
Very tempted myself to be honest.
I’ve just recently purchased a waterworks 700 litres system but I’m missing the hot water from my old immersion.
Keep us posted!
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It’s like anything put it in a flashy cabinet and it looks the dogs,some have an orange one some have a Mat black one they are ALL the same thermo top C series 300. Market a dog terd in the right way some would buy it,you just need the pump,plate exchanger ,header tank,1 meter of exhaust and the main unit and away you go,it can be wired to a heatwave flow controller in minutes like I said 2500 for a metal cabinet and 3-4 hours fitting.
If you read some of your old post (2008). you say it's definitely not a diy job and took 2 people who were experts over 5 hours to install yours back then (thermo top c) why is it different now? have they changed since then? . Came across them while doing some research into these heaters.
Could you put some pictures up of yours then to see? generally interested.
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
Got a link for them?
Not an expert in these things so could be wrong but i dont think this will be far off what is needed. https://www.butlertechnik.com/vehicle-heater-kits-c1/webasto-vehicle-heater-kits-c126/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d-p73 may be worth giving them a bell.
Daz you will have to put up pictures of what it is when its done as none of the wfp suppliers actually show you what's inside the cabinet on their websites.
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
Got a link for them?
Not an expert in these things so could be wrong but i dont think this will be far off what is needed. https://www.butlertechnik.com/vehicle-heater-kits-c1/webasto-vehicle-heater-kits-c126/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d-p73 may be worth giving them a bell.
Daz you will have to put up pictures of what it is when its done as none of the wfp suppliers actually show you what's inside the cabinet on their websites.
I’ll take a picture of the insides of mine tomorrow if anyone is intrested let me know what you would like to see I have the Grippatank one
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
Got a link for them?
Not an expert in these things so could be wrong but i dont think this will be far off what is needed. https://www.butlertechnik.com/vehicle-heater-kits-c1/webasto-vehicle-heater-kits-c126/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d-p73 may be worth giving them a bell.
Daz you will have to put up pictures of what it is when its done as none of the wfp suppliers actually show you what's inside the cabinet on their websites.
I’ll take a picture of the insides of mine tomorrow if anyone is intrested let me know what you would like to see I have the Grippatank one
That would be great if you would . The whole system set up ;D/. Just interested how it's all put together really and what extras you get for the money.
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It’s like anything put it in a flashy cabinet and it looks the dogs,some have an orange one some have a Mat black one they are ALL the same thermo top C series 300. Market a dog terd in the right way some would buy it,you just need the pump,plate exchanger ,header tank,1 meter of exhaust and the main unit and away you go,it can be wired to a heatwave flow controller in minutes like I said 2500 for a metal cabinet and 3-4 hours fitting.
You still bought one for over 2.7k plus fitting.
Everyone needs to make money.
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What makes me laugh is some of u guys like Nigel bang on about charging top prices in your window cleaning business but question the price of diesel heaters and fitting etc. Their a business too.they have overheads like any other business.like I said in my previous post everyone needs to make money.
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
Yeah what i mean is you do limited driving so your not really going to get any benefit out of the split relay system, i would imagine you will still need to bench charge every night still.
These battery to battery chargers are supposed to charge your batteries up to 50% faster than normal standard split charge relays so I reckon I'll be fine. 15 mins usually to my first job and 15 mins back home after work plus 30 mins for lunch with engine running. Thats an hour to charge the batteries. It might be enough. We ll see. If not it's no problem to run an extension cable out to the van. I've been doing it for 7+ years!
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When is the install keep us posted , expect it to be a good ongoing post.
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The heater your buying can be purchased for 1200 incl vat just think about that,ask how much you can buy a cabinet for I’ll come and fit for you for the difference 😂
Got a link for them?
Not an expert in these things so could be wrong but i dont think this will be far off what is needed. https://www.butlertechnik.com/vehicle-heater-kits-c1/webasto-vehicle-heater-kits-c126/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d-p73 may be worth giving them a bell.
Daz you will have to put up pictures of what it is when its done as none of the wfp suppliers actually show you what's inside the cabinet on their websites.
I’ll take a picture of the insides of mine tomorrow if anyone is intrested let me know what you would like to see I have the Grippatank one
Yes please; I'm interested. Thank you.
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
Yeah what i mean is you do limited driving so your not really going to get any benefit out of the split relay system, i would imagine you will still need to bench charge every night still.
These battery to battery chargers are supposed to charge your batteries up to 50% faster than normal standard split charge relays so I reckon I'll be fine. 15 mins usually to my first job and 15 mins back home after work plus 30 mins for lunch with engine running. Thats an hour to charge the batteries. It might be enough. We ll see. If not it's no problem to run an extension cable out to the van. I've been doing it for 7+ years!
I wouldn't get to excited about the hype. You will still have to supplement your charge overnight doing low mileage. Even with the best equipment, NHS ambulances are often seen parked outside an emergency call out with the engines running.
They recommend that the first start of the day is with the engine running and on your way to your first job. This way the alternator supplies the bulk of the starting current needed to get the heater fired up. So your scr relay (in your case battery to battery charger if you have regenerative braking on your van) will do its job.
When moving to another job some distance away, unplug your hose reel and redirect your hot water into the tank. That way you will keep the heater going and reduce the number of boiler stop starts. You could even do this redirect to the tank with a 3 way tap valve.
This sort of thing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-3-4-1-3-way-Ball-Valve-Stainless-Steel-Female-Port-T-Type-Lever-Handle/262760754224?hash=item3d2dc2ec30:m:m0HdHGkEzlvFpKUKk-ad64g
(they are out of stock of 1/2" but someone will have one.)
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Here's a photo of an old PureFreedom 5.2kw heater.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510386649_PF Hot water system a.jpg)
I'm sure its been redesigned since then as there is an awful waste of space inside the unit.
But you can see how it works quite easily.
I've messed with the brightness so you can see the hose detail better.
Here's the original
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510386891_PF Hot water system (Nathanael Jones).jpg)
BTW. The heater is attached to a separate stand that PF also sell to order.
Wow. I've just noticed after all these years that I've had this photo that the heat exchanger is connected up incorrectly.
The recommended flows through the heat exchanger is supposed to be opposite and not in the same direction as per the photo. The heat exchanger is less efficient this way, unless of course PF did this purposely.
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I'm having my pump fitted in my diesel heater spruce(so getting rid of my pumpbox)
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What's the tank for at the top of the unit spruce? I thought all these units were plumbed into the vans main fuel tank?
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When is the install keep us posted , expect it to be a good ongoing post.
It's getting fitted 6th Dec. I've already booked a hotel for the night for me and the girlfriend for the night before. (it's 3 hrs drive away) and paid the deposit. :)
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It's getting fitted 6th Dec. I've already booked a hotel for the night for me and the girlfriend for the night before. (it's 3 hrs drive away) and paid the deposit. :)
Congratulations!
Maybe love will be in the air?..... well I hope for your sakes it's Love and not Diesel fumes. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510391596_grin.gif)
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Here's a photo of an old PureFreedom 5.2kw heater.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510386649_PF Hot water system a.jpg)
I'm sure its been redesigned since then as there is an awful waste of space inside the unit.
But you can see how it works quite easily.
Yesss.....
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What's the tank for at the top of the unit spruce? I thought all these units were plumbed into the vans main fuel tank?
I think that is a diesel tank, fuel for the Webasto!?!
Thanks for posting this picture Spruce, I wanted to see how the hoses where positioned.
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What's the tank for at the top of the unit spruce? I thought all these units were plumbed into the vans main fuel tank?
That's for coolant Daz. The heater heats antifreeze/coolant, pumps it through the heat exchanger back to that tank. Meanwhile your window cleaning pump is pumping your window cleaning water through the heat exchanger where the coolant heats it up.
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Dazmond ...... i was lucky enough to get a secondhand purefreedom 9kw diesel heater secondhand for £280 , fitted it myself and has been flawless for about a year now , would hate to be without it.
i remember when you got it.im sure you just had to fix the pump if i recall correctly?
i wouldnt have a hope in hell of fitting it myself!drilling into my fuel tank and drilling holes in the floor for exhaust gases?i dont think so!ill leave it to the experts. ;)
Yes thats right , was lucky enough to find a brand new pump on ebay for £90 (normally around £300 ) ,i fitted a seperate tank and had a bracket welded up to fit it by the side door , just two holes in the step for exhaust and air inlet .....nothing too difficult .
Even paying the full money i think its worth it , i i would hate to be without it now and i reckon you could get ten years out of it no problem .
The canal boat guys gave me a tip about every six months or so running it on kerosene at full power for an hour or two and this helps keep the burner clean as it burns hotter.
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For the price your paying Daz im assuming you are getting the 9kw version?
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Here’s some pictures of mine (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510402531_9C33C1C3-6281-474E-9AFF-E2E4449E8A3D.jpeg)
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510402741_420B2D24-1148-4C8F-8D05-D0643492ABD1.jpeg)
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510402854_F0A0F4DE-6197-4604-8EB4-39638C8AE693.jpeg)
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Thats a PF is it?
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Thats a PF is it?
No it’s Grippatank, I cannot up load the other pictures it’s saying the file is to big how Can I reduce the size ?? Any ideas
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Thats a PF is it?
I cannot up load the other pictures it’s saying the file is to big how Can I reduce the size ?? Any ideas
In Microsoft Paint
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For the price your paying Daz im assuming you are getting the 9kw version?
yes rob.i wanted to make sure i could get the water really hot for dirty conny roofs/UPVC cleans etc as there has been reports of guys buying pure freedom 5kw heaters and only getting warm water at the brush end.id be annoyed if i had spent all that money for warm water.im sure nigel was moaning about his not getting the water hot enough a few years ago but i think he s tweaked his now.
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What's the tank for at the top of the unit spruce? I thought all these units were plumbed into the vans main fuel tank?
Its the header tank for the internal water heating circuit. It not the diesel tank.
cheers spruce
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It's getting fitted 6th Dec. I've already booked a hotel for the night for me and the girlfriend for the night before. (it's 3 hrs drive away) and paid the deposit. :)
Congratulations!
Maybe love will be in the air?..... well I hope for your sakes it's Love and not Diesel fumes. (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510391596_grin.gif)
;D ;D ;D
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Dazmond ...... i was lucky enough to get a secondhand purefreedom 9kw diesel heater secondhand for £280 , fitted it myself and has been flawless for about a year now , would hate to be without it.
i remember when you got it.im sure you just had to fix the pump if i recall correctly?
i wouldnt have a hope in hell of fitting it myself!drilling into my fuel tank and drilling holes in the floor for exhaust gases?i dont think so!ill leave it to the experts. ;)
Yes thats right , was lucky enough to find a brand new pump on ebay for £90 (normally around £300 ) ,i fitted a seperate tank and had a bracket welded up to fit it by the side door , just two holes in the step for exhaust and air inlet .....nothing too difficult .
Even paying the full money i think its worth it , i i would hate to be without it now and i reckon you could get ten years out of it no problem .
The canal boat guys gave me a tip about every six months or so running it on kerosene at full power for an hour or two and this helps keep the burner clean as it burns hotter.
i dont think ill be able to run it on kerosene mate as itll be plumbed into my vans diesel tank!but thanks for the tip anyway. ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1510404857_C73ADAED-751C-46E9-99D3-78872AD00BC2.jpeg)
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it looks the business that mate.they seem bigger than i imagined.i think mine will have to be fitted near my side loading door.is that the 9kw?
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
Yeah what i mean is you do limited driving so your not really going to get any benefit out of the split relay system, i would imagine you will still need to bench charge every night still.
These battery to battery chargers are supposed to charge your batteries up to 50% faster than normal standard split charge relays so I reckon I'll be fine. 15 mins usually to my first job and 15 mins back home after work plus 30 mins for lunch with engine running. Thats an hour to charge the batteries. It might be enough. We ll see. If not it's no problem to run an extension cable out to the van. I've been doing it for 7+ years!
I wouldn't get to excited about the hype. You will still have to supplement your charge overnight doing low mileage. Even with the best equipment, NHS ambulances are often seen parked outside an emergency call out with the engines running.
They recommend that the first start of the day is with the engine running and on your way to your first job. This way the alternator supplies the bulk of the starting current needed to get the heater fired up. So your scr relay (in your case battery to battery charger if you have regenerative braking on your van) will do its job.
When moving to another job some distance away, unplug your hose reel and redirect your hot water into the tank. That way you will keep the heater going and reduce the number of boiler stop starts. You could even do this redirect to the tank with a 3 way tap valve.
This sort of thing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-3-4-1-3-way-Ball-Valve-Stainless-Steel-Female-Port-T-Type-Lever-Handle/262760754224?hash=item3d2dc2ec30:m:m0HdHGkEzlvFpKUKk-ad64g
(they are out of stock of 1/2" but someone will have one.)
ok cheers spruce.i know these heaters can be heavy on the batteries so its still probably a good idea to get the B to B charger so at least im not draining them too low during my working day (then charge them overnight after work)
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
Yes it is a modification and is insured as such on a new for old agreed settlement should the worst happen .
There is a tee in the main fuel tank return pipe that it takes diesel from it’s a 9kw
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A waste of money on the split charge relay too if you're only doing 4000 miles a year
I have two gell heavy duty batteries about 400 amps overkill but sometimes we work away from home for a few days and charging isn’t an option
its a smart battery to battery charger ive ordered as apparently new vans from 2015 have different alternators with temperature sensors on them so you cant use the normal split charge relays.
Yeah what i mean is you do limited driving so your not really going to get any benefit out of the split relay system, i would imagine you will still need to bench charge every night still.
These battery to battery chargers are supposed to charge your batteries up to 50% faster than normal standard split charge relays so I reckon I'll be fine. 15 mins usually to my first job and 15 mins back home after work plus 30 mins for lunch with engine running. Thats an hour to charge the batteries. It might be enough. We ll see. If not it's no problem to run an extension cable out to the van. I've been doing it for 7+ years!
I wouldn't get to excited about the hype. You will still have to supplement your charge overnight doing low mileage. Even with the best equipment, NHS ambulances are often seen parked outside an emergency call out with the engines running.
They recommend that the first start of the day is with the engine running and on your way to your first job. This way the alternator supplies the bulk of the starting current needed to get the heater fired up. So your scr relay (in your case battery to battery charger if you have regenerative braking on your van) will do its job.
When moving to another job some distance away, unplug your hose reel and redirect your hot water into the tank. That way you will keep the heater going and reduce the number of boiler stop starts. You could even do this redirect to the tank with a 3 way tap valve.
This sort of thing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-3-4-1-3-way-Ball-Valve-Stainless-Steel-Female-Port-T-Type-Lever-Handle/262760754224?hash=item3d2dc2ec30:m:m0HdHGkEzlvFpKUKk-ad64g
(they are out of stock of 1/2" but someone will have one.)
ok cheers spruce.i know these heaters can be heavy on the batteries so its still probably a good idea to get the B to B charger so at least im not draining them too low during my working day (then charge them overnight after work)
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
Yes it is a modification and is insured as such on a new for old agreed settlement should the worst happen .
There is a tee in the main fuel tank return pipe that it takes diesel from it’s a 9kw
Nice. I had the vision of holes being drilled through the tank ;D ;D
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Good luck Dazmond with your new Grippatank heater, I'm getting one early next year, are you getting the 9 KW heater.
Lal
cheers mate.yes lal.the 9kw as ive heard reports of the 5kw ones not getting the water hot enough(well the pure freedom ones not sure about the grippa ones)
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Daz, if you want a new van and whatever kit you furnish it with go ahead.
Enjoy your sobriety and reward yourself with whatever you feel fits the bill.
cheers matt.we all pay our money and take our chances.at least im not spending it on alcohol,cigarettes and drugs anymore! ;D
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ive had the quote from oliver and ive accepted it so he ll get back to me tomorrow probably matt.i think they can fit me in sometime in december so itll be an early xmas pressie to myself. 8)
he said they are VERY busy at the moment though.some of the grippa guys have been working night shifts to get through the work lately.
Nice. What power system have you opted for your one man set up?
hi paul.its a battery to battery smart charger.i havent got much of a clue really.basically new vans after 2015 have different alternators on them so normal split charge relays wont work on these so i have to buy a smart charger.so i think what happens is my engine battery will be connected up to the smart charger and then to another battery in the back of the van and that ll run my pump/controller and 9 kw diesel heater.ill probably still have to charge up overnight due to my low mileage but at least it should stop my battery from draining too low when out working( if i can top it up a bit in between jobs and driving to and from work)
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You’ve decided to pay the balloon payment on your van already..? You’ve got another 4 1/2 years of monthly payments mate, you may think you’ve decided but you haven’t got a choice yet mate!!!
(Imo you’d be mental paying the balloon on a lease, you should have gone down the HP route)
i wasnt sure what i was going to do when i took out the lease but the likelyhood is i will pay the balloon and keep the van(but a lot can change in 4 years so who knows).ill keep my options open.
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Doesn't matter how hot your water is, it's still gonna freeze on the footpaths under the windows.
not on a spring/summers day! ;D ;D
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ive had the quote from oliver and ive accepted it so he ll get back to me tomorrow probably matt.i think they can fit me in sometime in december so itll be an early xmas pressie to myself. 8)
he said they are VERY busy at the moment though.some of the grippa guys have been working night shifts to get through the work lately.
Nice. What power system have you opted for your one man set up?
hi paul.its a battery to battery smart charger.i havent got much of a clue really.basically new vans after 2015 have different alternators on them so normal split charge relays wont work on these so i have to buy a smart charger.so i think what happens is my engine battery will be connected up to the smart charger and then to another battery in the back of the van and that ll run my pump/controller and 9 kw diesel heater.ill probably still have to charge up overnight due to my low mileage but at least it should stop my battery from draining too low when out working( if i can top it up a bit in between jobs and driving to and from work)
Thanks. I meant to be asking which power system you went for the 5 or 9kw one which you said you have the 9kw one. Cool
The smart charger is a good bit of kit. That's what I use due to having a new van too. I just connect it up over night using the same kit you use when plugging up a motor home or caravan. Grippa installed the socket inside my van. So all I have to do is plug it into the van socket and rest up.
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Let us know how it all goes mate and what temperatures you can actually achieve with it.
Yes its expensive, and having looked into it a bit myself after buying the stuff separately then sourcing a cabinet of some sort and organising installing it all (especially when your not 100% what fittings are needed etc) then once you've worked out all the costing although there is a a saving you have to ask yourself is worth all the hassle of DIY when you can get it all done and dusted in a day plus you have the good back up support of Grippamax and you will always be able to ring up and ask any questions if there are any issues.
I will be going down this route with the 9kw version but not till next year now as my new van doesn't come till end of Feb and also will be having a proper baffled tank made for it.
And as you say everyone needs to make a profit.
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Will be Interesting to hear how it all goes Daz,
Remember that it’s tax deductible, so that drops down the £4500 to about £3200. Pretty affordable really if it’s going to be reliable and make your working day much easier.
Very tempted myself to be honest.
I’ve just recently purchased a waterworks 700 litres system but I’m missing the hot water from my old immersion.
Keep us posted!
i will jonny.the ruddy hose has been driving me crazy just lately.its like 100m of wire!! >:( ;D
plus when its fitted i wont have to remember to put a heater in the back on freezing nights as they come with a frost stat setting as standard so these heaters will kick in for 10 mins when temp drops to 2c to stop everything freezing.lovely. ;)
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ive had the quote from oliver and ive accepted it so he ll get back to me tomorrow probably matt.i think they can fit me in sometime in december so itll be an early xmas pressie to myself. 8)
he said they are VERY busy at the moment though.some of the grippa guys have been working night shifts to get through the work lately.
Nice. What power system have you opted for your one man set up?
hi paul.its a battery to battery smart charger.i havent got much of a clue really.basically new vans after 2015 have different alternators on them so normal split charge relays wont work on these so i have to buy a smart charger.so i think what happens is my engine battery will be connected up to the smart charger and then to another battery in the back of the van and that ll run my pump/controller and 9 kw diesel heater.ill probably still have to charge up overnight due to my low mileage but at least it should stop my battery from draining too low when out working( if i can top it up a bit in between jobs and driving to and from work)
Thanks. I meant to be asking which power system you went for the 5 or 9kw one which you said you have the 9kw one. Cool
The smart charger is a good bit of kit. That's what I use due to having a new van too. I just connect it up over night using the same kit you use when plugging up a motor home or caravan. Grippa installed the socket inside my van. So all I have to do is plug it into the van socket and rest up.
ive always charged my pump battery up manually by reeling an extension cable to my van and a halfords battery charger with croc clips so the b to b charger will be a new thing for me.i just ordered it with the heater at the same time.hopefully theyll fit it properly for me. ;D
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Let us know how it all goes mate and what temperatures you can actually achieve with it.
Yes its expensive, and having looked into it a bit myself after buying the stuff separately then sourcing a cabinet of some sort and organising installing it all (especially when your not 100% what fittings are needed etc) then once you've worked out all the costing although there is a a saving you have to ask yourself is worth all the hassle of DIY when you can get it all done and dusted in a day plus you have the good back up support of Grippamax and you will always be able to ring up and ask any questions if there are any issues.
I will be going down this route with the 9kw version but not till next year now as my new van doesn't come till end of Feb and also will be having a proper baffled tank made for it.
And as you say everyone needs to make a profit.
exactly mate.some guys enjoy hunting around sourcing parts and building one themselves to save a few quid.im not that guy.
plus the heater comes with a 3 year warranty(subject to servicing)
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Dad what are the service details? Once a year at Cambridge?
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
My first system was the 9kw purefreedom one with a hose tapped into the vans diesel tank. When I changed my van 2 years ago I contacted purefreedom to get a quote for removing the system and installing it into my new van. I was told they are no longer allowed to tap into the vehicles diesel tank and the webasto would have to run off a seperate diesel tank. I take it they have changed the regulations again to allow you to draw diesel from the main vehicle tank?
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For the price your paying Daz im assuming you are getting the 9kw version?
yes rob.i wanted to make sure i could get the water really hot for dirty conny roofs/UPVC cleans etc as there has been reports of guys buying pure freedom 5kw heaters and only getting warm water at the brush end.id be annoyed if i had spent all that money for warm water.im sure nigel was moaning about his not getting the water hot enough a few years ago but i think he s tweaked his now.
Pure freedom don’t list 5kw anymore , I think for that exact reason .
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
My first system was the 9kw purefreedom one with a hose tapped into the vans diesel tank. When I changed my van 2 years ago I contacted purefreedom to get a quote for removing the system and installing it into my new van. I was told they are no longer allowed to tap into the vehicles diesel tank and the webasto would have to run off a seperate diesel tank. I take it they have changed the regulations again to allow you to draw diesel from the main vehicle tank?
There is no law against drawing from the diesel tank , it’s just not a good idea to tap into the fuel line as modern vans are so fussy .
GrippaTank will fit a separate pick in the tank itself , that will mean drilling a hole, the pick up pipe will be a few inches above bottom of tank so the heater can’t drain the tank completely .
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Dad what are the service details? Once a year at Cambridge?
no idea son until I have it fitted ;D
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😀😀😀
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Yea you show him who's the Daddy ;D
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
My first system was the 9kw purefreedom one with a hose tapped into the vans diesel tank. When I changed my van 2 years ago I contacted purefreedom to get a quote for removing the system and installing it into my new van. I was told they are no longer allowed to tap into the vehicles diesel tank and the webasto would have to run off a seperate diesel tank. I take it they have changed the regulations again to allow you to draw diesel from the main vehicle tank?
There is no law against drawing from the diesel tank , it’s just not a good idea to tap into the fuel line as modern vans are so fussy .
GrippaTank will fit a separate pick in the tank itself , that will mean drilling a hole, the pick up pipe will be a few inches above bottom of tank so the heater can’t drain the tank completely .
When Grippatank fitted mine they teed into the fuel return line to the tank
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Regarding fuel lines, it's model dependant, some are in line like mine, some have to have a pipe dropped in to the fuel tank, obviously in line is better as you can run low on fuel, the drop in tank arrangement can be temperamental if you are quite low on fuel.
Mr B
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How is it plumbed into the diesel tank? Would that not be classed as a vehicle modification that your insurance will need to be told about ?
My first system was the 9kw purefreedom one with a hose tapped into the vans diesel tank. When I changed my van 2 years ago I contacted purefreedom to get a quote for removing the system and installing it into my new van. I was told they are no longer allowed to tap into the vehicles diesel tank and the webasto would have to run off a seperate diesel tank. I take it they have changed the regulations again to allow you to draw diesel from the main vehicle tank?
There is no law against drawing from the diesel tank , it’s just not a good idea to tap into the fuel line as modern vans are so fussy .
GrippaTank will fit a separate pick in the tank itself , that will mean drilling a hole, the pick up pipe will be a few inches above bottom of tank so the heater can’t drain the tank completely .
When Grippatank fitted mine they teed into the fuel return line to the tank
When I fitted my Eberspacher Airtronic diesel heater I plumbed into the return pipe to the tank. I've never had an issue. The return pipe doesn't go all the way down to the bottom of the tank just as Webasto (Eberspacher and Webasto are the same company) recommend. So in winter I never let my tank drop below 1/4 incase the pump starts to suck air. Its been faultless for the past 8 years. In winter I try to fill up when I get to half a tank.
I think its generally accepted that they don't plumb into the supply line from the tank to the engine. I heard someone once say that Sprinter vans are a definite no no as the electronics assume a leak.
Lets explore this 'its against the law to tap into the fuel tank' a little further. If it was against the law then virtually every yacht, motor cruiser and canal boat with diesel heaters fitted are all breaking the law. The craft only have 1 fuel tank. But if you fit a diesel heater to a marine craft then its against the law not to use copper piping for the fuel supply. So the way a fitter gets to do the easiest thing is to say it against the law....... Remember when working at height legislation become operational in 2005. How many windies told their customers that they were going wfp because it was against the law to use ladders.
If they fit an extra fuel tank their job is made easier. And they can sell a bit more equipment and make some extra money. With some vans the diesel tank has to be emptied and dropped to fit a standoff pipe into the top. My question is when they drill the hole how do they catch all the drilling swaff from going into the tank? Greasing the end of the hole saw may catch some but not all. Will it get sucked up into the intake further down the line and cause you issues? Would they spend an extra 20 minutes and remove the inspection cover to catch that drilling swaff?
My Citroen Relay has an inspection cover in the cabin floor to gain access to the fuel pump which is in the tank. If I wanted to fit a standoff I could remove the pump assembly completely from the tank and drill a hole for it into that assembly. This way no drillings get into the tank.
IMHO its much better to plumb into the return line to the tank and keep the van's tank above 1/4 at least.
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They don’t need servicing that’s rubbish they either work or they don’t the burner will need changing but that’s years down the line,mine was giving me hot water for 10 years on the original burner,I’m not saying yours will but a yearly service is not needed. My fuel pump lasted over 10 years plate exchanger lasted 8-9 years.
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The burner can be changed yourself your also bound to have trouble with hoses within the heater blowing off or becoming loose,you need to familiarise yourself with how it all bolts together or you will be pulling your hair out as I was in the first few years
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They don’t need servicing that’s rubbish they either work or they don’t the burner will need changing but that’s years down the line,mine was giving me hot water for 10 years on the original burner,I’m not saying yours will but a yearly service is not needed. My fuel pump lasted over 10 years plate exchanger lasted 8-9 years.
So apart from a few fittings that came loose you had virtually nil problems over all them years Nigel?
What about batteries and chargers?do u charge up every night as well despite having a split relay fitted? As I've heard these heaters are heavy on batteries. I don't want my battery to drain too low (and ruin it while I'm out and about working.)
Thanks
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Regarding fuel lines, it's model dependant, some are in line like mine, some have to have a pipe dropped in to the fuel tank, obviously in line is better as you can run low on fuel, the drop in tank arrangement can be temperamental if you are quite low on fuel.
Mr B
What heater have u got brian? Same one? I wouldn't want to be running low on diesel. I'll always make sure I have at least a quarter of a tank left or else I won't get home either! ;D
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Grippatank 9kw
Your running new connect, so you will be same as me, in line so you won't need worry about low fuel....!
Mr B
Regarding fuel lines, it's model dependant, some are in line like mine, some have to have a pipe dropped in to the fuel tank, obviously in line is better as you can run low on fuel, the drop in tank arrangement can be temperamental if you are quite low on fuel.
Mr B
What heater have u got brian? Same one? I wouldn't want to be running low on diesel. I'll always make sure I have at least a quarter of a tank left or else I won't get home either! ;D
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Cheers Brian.
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cold this morning here(-1).another 3 weeks and 2 days until i get it fitted. ::)roll ;D
do you guys fire up your heaters before you leave for work so you have hot/warm water at your first job?
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Just a thought.
Can’t you run a small diesel tank in the van for the heater, rather than tapping into the van tank?
There’s a guy on YouTube who has done it this way.
I’m thinking of buying one from pure freedom and using a small diesel tank in the van. Not to keen on tapping into the vans fuel tank...
I want to sell my transit custom in 3 years (while it’s still worth £££) so don’t really want to be making many adaptions
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cold this morning here(-1).another 3 weeks and 2 days until i get it fitted. ::)roll ;D
do you guys fire up your heaters before you leave for work so you have hot/warm water at your first job?
Stop whinging, you can work in hurricanes but a little cold weather throws you, don't worry your £4.5k pair of Long Johns and
gloves will be here before you know it. lol.
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cold this morning here(-1).another 3 weeks and 2 days until i get it fitted. ::)roll ;D
do you guys fire up your heaters before you leave for work so you have hot/warm water at your first job?
Yes.
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They will probably set it up so it recirculates back to tank in fact I’m sure they will so it will heat everything up to temp before you start work,you’ll love it so much you won’t be able to turn the heat down 😂,good choice pal you won’t regret going hot.
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Do you know how long it will take to heat 1000 ltr
A Ninja carpet cleaning machine holds 42 ltr and it takes 3 hours to heat the water from cold tap water to 100 c I tested it.
Gas or diesel is your only way. Unless you want to invent a heat exchanger that will heat up a small vessel from your exhaust system. Which I have thought about.
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They will probably set it up so it recirculates back to tank in fact I’m sure they will so it will heat everything up to temp before you start work,you’ll love it so much you won’t be able to turn the heat down 😂,good choice pal you won’t regret going hot.
Your talking rubbish, he will regret it, off course he wont regret it, he will regret it, off course he wont regret it, he will regret it.
Sorry Iv changed my mind I don't think he will regret it, hold on maybe I'm being too hasty ? no I stick by what Iv said, sort of.
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Daz as your di only why didnt you try filling up by just running hot water through the vessel for softer hoses in winter? or is hot 24/7 far superior now this week ;D
just pulling your leg mate but some on here just run hot water through their di vessel.
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They will probably set it up so it recirculates back to tank in fact I’m sure they will so it will heat everything up to temp before you start work,you’ll love it so much you won’t be able to turn the heat down 😂,good choice pal you won’t regret going hot.
Your talking rubbish, he will regret it, off course he wont regret it, he will regret it, off course he wont regret it, he will regret it.
Sorry Iv changed my mind I don't think he will regret it, hold on maybe I'm being too hasty ? no I stick by what Iv said, sort of.
;D ;D
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cold this morning here(-1).another 3 weeks and 2 days until i get it fitted. ::)roll ;D
do you guys fire up your heaters before you leave for work so you have hot/warm water at your first job?
I thought your new singing and dancing heater was hot on demand ?
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I’ve not changed my mind at all ok you have to initially make the investment if your not a DIY freak but once you’ve got one they are easy to maintain yourself,hot waters rubbish Daz save your money you’ll earn more with cold lol yeah right O. Look forward to an easier way of working.
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Another record day today 145 8 hours on the glass 👉🏽🍩💩💰
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Daz as your di only why didnt you try filling up by just running hot water through the vessel for softer hoses in winter? or is hot 24/7 far superior now this week ;D
just pulling your leg mate but some on here just run hot water through their di vessel.
i did try this once years ago and my tap connector kept sliding off my tap with hot water when filling up. ;D
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I use a 9Kw webasto hotbox which heats up my 850 litre Ionic Pro 5 system, which runs on diesel off the van fuel system.
I would say you need to have a battery which is tip top condition, as it can drain the battery with continual use, so I tend to charge the battery on occasions and also run the engine if doing a job for an extended period of time. It does recirculate into the tank, but takes ages to heat up, but I guess it would be dependent on the size of your tank and how long you operate the system for.
You can buy a secondhand Hotbox from a few places, including Ionic, but don't have anything less than a 9kw model.
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cold this morning here(-1).another 3 weeks and 2 days until i get it fitted. ::)roll ;D
do you guys fire up your heaters before you leave for work so you have hot/warm water at your first job?
Stop whinging, you can work in hurricanes but a little cold weather throws you, don't worry your £4.5k pair of Long Johns and
gloves will be here before you know it. lol.
;D ;D ;D
nope cold weather doesnt faze me sean (ive only been working outside for 30 years!)however if we end up with a very cold winter ill be the one whos laughing while some of you guys are suffering with "cabin fever" unable to work. :)
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I use a 9Kw webasto hotbox which heats up my 850 litre Ionic Pro 5 system, which runs on diesel off the van fuel system.
I would say you need to have a battery which is tip top condition, as it can drain the battery with continual use, so I tend to charge the battery on occasions and also run the engine if doing a job for an extended period of time. It does recirculate into the tank, but takes ages to heat up, but I guess it would be dependent on the size of your tank and how long you operate the system for.
You can buy a secondhand Hotbox from a few places, including Ionic, but don't have anything less than a 9kw model.
ive got a 500L tank mate.im getting a battery to battery smart charger fitted also when grippa install my hydro heat box.
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Just agreed terms for the installation of a 9.9Kw system.
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Just agreed terms for the installation of a 9.9Kw system.
Nice one matt
I just slapped mine on a interest free credit card.(2yrs interest free). £5,600 limit.
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I've secured a three old one from another forum member. Serviced annually. £1,750.00 plus fitting.
9.9Kw. Oliver will fit it at Grippa.
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Just agreed terms for the installation of a 9.9Kw system.
Nice one matt
I just slapped mine on a interest free credit card.(2yrs interest free). £5,600 limit.
Be careful with that one Dazmond, if you owe so much as a penny after the two years you will be charged interest on the total amount you will have spent on it over the two years.
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I've secured a three old one from another forum member. Serviced annually. £1,750.00 plus fitting.
9.9Kw. Oliver will fit it at Grippa.
leroy by any chance?he offered it me but i wanted a brand new one to go with the van. ;D
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Just agreed terms for the installation of a 9.9Kw system.
Nice one matt
I just slapped mine on a interest free credit card.(2yrs interest free). £5,600 limit.
Be careful with that one Dazmond, if you owe so much as a penny after the two years you will be charged interest on the total amount you will have spent on it over the two years.
sean ive never paid a penny in interest on a credit card EVER.i ALWAYS pay it off in full every month.when it gets nearer the end of the interest free period on this particular one(not til dec 2018)ill make sure i dont owe a penny on it. ;)
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I've secured a three old one from another forum member. Serviced annually. £1,750.00 plus fitting.
9.9Kw. Oliver will fit it at Grippa.
leroy by any chance?he offered it me but i wanted a brand new one to go with the van. ;D
Yea.
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Just agreed terms for the installation of a 9.9Kw system.
Nice one matt
I just slapped mine on a interest free credit card.(2yrs interest free). £5,600 limit.
Be careful with that one Dazmond, if you owe so much as a penny after the two years you will be charged interest on the total amount you will have spent on it over the two years.
No you wont , you will be charged interest each month on your remaining balance .
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I have just ordered mine to upgrade my existing grippa system. ;D
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Funny this everyone’s going hot I thought hot water was pointless 😂 waste of money yeah
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Im booked in for 14-12 at Grippa.
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I'm booked for the 5th
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Mine will be early Jan sometime
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Does anyone fit these in the Republic of Ireland?
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Funny this everyone’s going hot I thought hot water was pointless 😂 waste of money yeah
Are stabilisers on a bike a waste of money ? only if you don't need them.
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I'm booked for the 5th
the day before mines due for fitting(although ill be driving down on the 5th with my missus).cant wait! 8)
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I'm booked for the 5th
the day before mines due for fitting(although ill be driving down on the 5th with my missus).cant wait! 8)
Just dont forget to take her back home as well though! ;D ;D
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Does anyone fit these in the Republic of Ireland?
Good Morning
We have a distributor who installs these systems in Northern Ireland - please enquire via our website if you would like further pricing advice.
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Who else beside Grippa supply hot water systems. Does a company called Stream do it?
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Is there any videos of the Grippa system online?
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Love using Hot water on colder days, especially when you see a pillow of steam rising.
Just cleaned a skyline window on a roof with frost on the tiles and the steam was amazing to watch. Couldnt film that as I needed 2 hands on pole, but this will have to do
https://youtu.be/v0CeiiO5qoM