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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: alank on July 16, 2017, 08:27:21 am
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Anyone who has used plastic balls to baffle their water tank how effective would you say it has been thanks.
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Been using them for around 3 years, its tip number 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNeHSiVhfS4&t=1s
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Excellent thank you clever forum name would you advise filling the tank with plastic balls or just putting a hundred or so in thanks.
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we used 200 in a 750L tank and is good
I used 100 in a 350L and it could have done with a few more.
Volume = amount of balls i guess :)
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Excellent thank you clever forum name would you advise filling the tank with plastic balls or just putting a hundred or so in thanks.
What size and type tank do you have?
Need more relevant info if your looking for helpful advice buddy
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Wydale 300ltre tank thanks
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Wydale 300ltre tank thanks
100-150 would be about right.
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Been using them for around 3 years, its tip number 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNeHSiVhfS4&t=1s
do you still use the Simoniz clear acrylic for the pole maintenance or have you found something better to use. Going to give it a whirl on my extremes (nice tip by the way)
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Been using them for around 3 years, its tip number 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNeHSiVhfS4&t=1s
do you still use the Simoniz clear acrylic for the pole maintenance or have you found something better to use. Going to give it a whirl on my extremes (nice tip by the way)
I think we use a proper clear coat now from local paint suppliers. It still wears off and flakes but we have 5 year old extremes that are literally going to crack because of how thin they are on the inside lol.
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Excellent thank you for your advice cheers I will get some tomorrow and put the holes in and add them in my tank.
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Well that was damn boring , just done 200 of the blighters for my upright Wydale 350 , it does not look like enough to make a difference , will it be ?
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Well that was damn boring , just done 200 of the blighters for my upright Wydale 350 , it does not look like enough to make a difference , will it be ?
Yep its a tedious job...........hate to have a job on a production line
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Irrigation pipe feed in a few meters job done.
Darran
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This doesn't affect me as I use a trolley system and 25l barrels, but I'm intrigued. How does putting plastic balls in your tanks baffle it?
I get that they have to be punctured so they fill with water, but do you have to completely fill the tank with them for it to be effective. My thinking is, that if you don't and they're allowed to move about in the water they just become part of the fluid mass and surely that would mean they're helping very little if at all. And how can you tell if it's working? Do your vans feel different to drive.
As I say I'm genuinely interested in knowing how this works.
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I bought a baffled tank, they don't cost the earth.
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This doesn't affect me as I use a trolley system and 25l barrels, but I'm intrigued. How does putting plastic balls in your tanks baffle it?
I get that they have to be punctured so they fill with water, but do you have to completely fill the tank with them for it to be effective. My thinking is, that if you don't and they're allowed to move about in the water they just become part of the fluid mass and surely that would mean they're helping very little if at all. And how can you tell if it's working? Do your vans feel different to drive.
As I say I'm genuinely interested in knowing how this works.
Well i am amazed at the change in the van , i put 200 in my wydale upright 350 on Monday , it now drives like a car , no sloshing can be heard and the rocking effect has totally gone when coming to a stop , it also pulls away like it does not have a tank in it at all , the handling has greatly improved , i might even go as far as to say that i would not be at all surprised if it also has an effect on wear and tear on the van itself , i used to have to put my foot down a fair bit at times to compensate for the back and forward motion of the water , clutch life and fuel efficiency should be improved , as far as things go i would put this to number 1 top tip on the youtube link above , for me its the biggest thing since the Univalve !
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As for how it works , i really dont know or care for that matter !
£10 for 200 balls in Asda , money well spent .
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Can you get clear or just white rather than multi coloured? I'm a bit ocd ;D
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This doesn't affect me as I use a trolley system and 25l barrels, but I'm intrigued. How does putting plastic balls in your tanks baffle it?
I get that they have to be punctured so they fill with water, but do you have to completely fill the tank with them for it to be effective. My thinking is, that if you don't and they're allowed to move about in the water they just become part of the fluid mass and surely that would mean they're helping very little if at all. And how can you tell if it's working? Do your vans feel different to drive.
As I say I'm genuinely interested in knowing how this works.
Obviously when the tank is full you dont get the sloshing or wave affect. It only occurs when the volume of water has the space to do so, hence creating a wave.
The balls or baffles breaks up the volume of water in said wave which prevents the rocking or wave affect effecting the vehicle.
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This doesn't affect me as I use a trolley system and 25l barrels, but I'm intrigued. How does putting plastic balls in your tanks baffle it?
I get that they have to be punctured so they fill with water, but do you have to completely fill the tank with them for it to be effective. My thinking is, that if you don't and they're allowed to move about in the water they just become part of the fluid mass and surely that would mean they're helping very little if at all. And how can you tell if it's working? Do your vans feel different to drive.
As I say I'm genuinely interested in knowing how this works.
Obviously when the tank is full you dont get the sloshing or wave affect. It only occurs when the volume of water has the space to do so, hence creating a wave.
The balls or baffles breaks up the volume of water in said wave which prevents the rocking or wave affect effecting the vehicle.
M&C is right when he says the whole mass will move as one if there aren't enough balls in the tank. Baffling works because the moving water comes up against the non-moving baffle. To achieve this the baffle(s) must be fixed in relation to the tank, in other words all jammed together so they can't move. Whatever you put in to baffle it, the important bit is to ensure the baffles can't move so when the water starts moving its motion is broken up into lots of 'little' sloshes instead of one big one.
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That cant be right , it works out that 200 balls gives 2 layers of packed balls in each section of my tank , that would equate to about 20% of the volume at a guess ?
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Top tip thanks, put holes in the balls with soldering iron as per the link put them in tank problem solved. Happy.
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Got 400 of them to 'hole' and put in my tank ..... oh the joy :P
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New balls, please.
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I feel a bath-related experiment coming on.
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Don't use the soldering iron in the bath though ;D
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Not the same i know but.............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcmsTtxSKQA
It's fun to watch.
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Just got home and the new 400litre upright has arrived.... in the picture its currently on its side i.e but I have stacked packets of 'balls' (6.5cm dia) ontop, each packet is 100 balls.....think I am going to need a few more..
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more than enough there Dave
your looking to disrupt the wave which that amount will do nicely - remember the holes will defuse the waters momentum
the balls themselves do have to be packed solid
Darran
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Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but that tank looks baffled and it doesn't look to be an upright.
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I thought the same at first, but I think we're looking at the bottom of it
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turn it 90deg to the right ;D, it has a limited amount of 'baffle' but I still want to reduce it further.
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the "baffles" in these tanks are really there to rigidity to the tank and make the moulding process easier - they have very limited use to stop water movement - the balls or irrigation pipe or even plastic plant pots will keep the water stable and therefore a much safer drive
Darran
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turn it 90deg to the right ;D, it has a limited amount of 'baffle' but I still want to reduced it further more.
Ah, its your lid and fittings that confused me.
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Ah I see now.... in the centre of the tank is not an opening.... I had orderd 2x additional 20cm non vented lids for my other 2 tanks, thats what you can see ;D
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we used 25 mts of perforated drainage pipe
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So i thought i would top my plastic balls up in the tank but not looking forward to the tedious puncturing of holes in them. So thought I would check the supposed specialised balls for baffling my tank.
As you may see from the screen shot they recommend 1 small ball (same size as soft plastic play balls im using, i think) for every 7ltrs of water. So 500ltrs max = 71 // 72 plastic balls!! Doesnt say about size of the container or filling size of the container with them but a simple recommendation of 1 ball per 7ltrs of liquid.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1502043907_Screenshot_2017-08-06-18-13-12.png)
Went on another sight and when i saw the price.......im now looking forward to the tedious puncturing of holes ;D ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1502044069_Screenshot_2017-08-06-19-27-20.png)
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Iv just ordered the 75 pack, cheers for the link
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A snip at £230 for my 350 :o
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New balls, please.
Are you mad?
Not at those prices!
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Look what ive just found in my local morrisons!! Yep its tedious puncturing holes in them but considering some money im saving......i think i can do so with a smile on my face ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1502099140_Screenshot_2017-08-07-10-43-46.png)
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Plastic balls in a tank will do nothing to stop the force of 1/2 a ton upwards lol,it's a bit like trying to push custard up hill with a fork it's a waste of time.