Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ben M on November 29, 2014, 10:03:06 pm
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http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/product/vision-single-pack/
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Wow!!
If I were to believe the sales blurb I'd be buying a 50 ltr drum right now.... ::)roll
Needs more investigating, if only it really did what it said on the tin...
Darran
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I know of one chap who uses it and highly rates it.
I am ordering some. Apparently turns Water milky then back to clear.
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When you getting some ??
If there is a personal reccomendation I'd give it a go
Darran
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Ordering it tomorrow. So however long it takes I guess.
Have you used jims Magic mix? In certain conditions it's unbeatable.
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Never heard of it
Link pls ;D
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Don't know his site
Search for west coast cleaning solutions on FB
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You should really be trying Jim mix ;D ;D.
You don't know where he's had it !!!
But if you do...............leave some feed back ;D ;D
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I have been using the product for a couple of weeks now , wasnt sure I was doing the right thing but wow what a product I feel like I am cleaning the windows alot better than with just pure . The glass seams to shine more than with just pure water the brush seems to glide on the glass alot easier than with just pure water I dont think I could just use pure on its own now
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Placebo effect?
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Could well be as that is what I thought about pure water when I started to wfp
Placebo effect?
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Never heard of it
Link pls ;D
only went on sale friday.
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I have been using the product for a couple of weeks now , wasnt sure I was doing the right thing but wow what a product I feel like I am cleaning the windows alot better than with just pure . The glass seams to shine more than with just pure water the brush seems to glide on the glass alot easier than with just pure water I dont think I could just use pure on its own now
+1
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Never heard of it
Link pls ;D
only went on sale friday.
He is talking about jims mix.
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Ordered today.
We use trolley and van mount so easy to test.
Want me to send you some Darran ?
Can also send you some of jims Magic mix ?
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Will be trying this product I have no trouble with windows that
sheet whilst cleaning using rain or tap water, if this product can make
the rest have a hydrophilic effect on the glass, happy days for me :)
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Sounds weird love to here people's feedback on this one before buying it.
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Was going to order some but got a message from Norton about it possibly being a scam but if its not will order some
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eh? Norton anti virus scans a website and can detect if the goods they're selling are crap?
What happens when you go on Brodex's or Ionics website ?
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ok will order some
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Ordered today.
We use trolley and van mount so easy to test.
Want me to send you some Darran ?
Can also send you some of jims Magic mix ?
Thx for the offer- think I'll give some a go - will order tomoz
Darran
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Sent them an email last night,
Got a great reply from them so defo giving it a go - happy to report back as I can do a double blind test with the lads.
Gary - sorry mate not for you its for pie water users ;D
Darran
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Can always send you some of Jim's mix if you want?
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just ordered some anyone tried it trad just wondered if it would improve that aswell just a thought
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Sent them an email last night,
Got a great reply from them so defo giving it a go - happy to report back as I can do a double blind test with the lads.
Gary - sorry mate not for you its for pie water users ;D
Darran
;D
hey ive been using rainwater with a low tds for a while now , if this product
can give all windows a hydrophilic response when cleaning its defo for me :P
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Since I started using this stuff I feel like I'm cleaning windows a lot quicker . I also feel like you get better results from it aswell . When you use this stuff it doest change the rinse off straight away but I do know over time it does because I know other guys that's been testing it a lot longer than I have
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Since I started using this stuff I feel like I'm cleaning windows a lot quicker . I also feel like you get better results from it aswell . When you use this stuff it doest change the rinse off straight away but I do know over time it does because I know other guys that's been testing it a lot longer than I have
You're not Kevin Coggan are.
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Not
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Or have any affiliation with the product concerned.
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I hope its not going to be a case of get loads of us using it then put prices up sky high just like they did with diesel when people converted from petrol to diesel cars
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The guys that make this product are window cleaners like our self's And are only interested in making our lives a lot easier . As I said I have used the product and to me it does make a difference to the way I clean windows
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why arnt they on dragons den i find it hard to belive its like the kings invisible clothes
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Because if they fetch other people on board then the price would go up and this is what they are trying to avoid
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One would hope that if it takes off then the cost would actually drop as any development and advertising costs are spread over a bigger customer base.
Even so, if all goes as it should a bottle would last around 3 wks for me - £1 per day.
If it brings better/faster cleaning then it's a small price to pay
Darran
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Can also send you some of jims Magic mix ?
Oh, go on then ;D
Darran
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At that price its worth a try and good on them trying to help us all out rather than keeping it to themselves
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Since I started using this stuff I feel like I'm cleaning windows a lot quicker . I also feel like you get better results from it aswell . When you use this stuff it doest change the rinse off straight away but I do know over time it does because I know other guys that's been testing it a lot longer than I have
You're not Kevin Coggan are.
why mention me window lickers? i don't know who jk999 is as people hind behind psydo names
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I'm not hiding. Everyone who is anyone on here knows me.
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not me :-[-sorry about that-ggooo one then tell me who you are
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Does this product give all windows a hydrophilic response?
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No need for dragons den - lol .
We've produced it , marketed it and sorting on-going issues as we speak .
It's gone well .
However were window cleaners ourselves , family men with kids and no need to post on forums too much and annoy persons or be hard sellers .
The product will talk for itself once you've used it .
It's very very good . But I'm obviously affiliated to it . So don't take my word for it .
Give it a go .
Several testers have enjoyed it .
It's upto you guys , you all know your stuff And hopefully this Vision product will help you .
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I take it I don't want to be running it through any kind of filter? i.e DI?
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Does this product give all windows a hydrophilic response?
Hi , there's a utube video somewhere than Jonny Sanderson did that shows it makes a window more Hydrophillic .
I've also noticed some windows have really benefited from Vision being used
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I take it I don't want to be running it through any kind of filter? i.e DI?
It's primarily used to your finished pure water .
It can be done using a doser after your DI , this is more KevinCoggan speciality .
It's easier just simply added to your water tank , barrel or back-pack
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I pump onto my van via hoselock fittings. So hoping to get inline dispenser to help with mixing.
So we know if this is safe? Won't damage plastic tanks? Etc etc
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I've been using it for approximately 12 months . The latest exact mix I've been using probably 6 months .
It doesn't damage plastics or pumps etc .
Remember water is a chemical ? H2O
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David,
So how long have you been developing this product? Is it a new idea or something adapted from another sector?
Darran
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David,
So how long have you been developing this product? Is it a new idea or something adapted from another sector?
Darran
Upto two years , the website goes into more detail .
Tested by our oversees partners in Australia and USA where it's worked brilliantly in hotter climates and quicker drying times .
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So how did you get together ?
Darran
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tempted to try this just for curiousity
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already ordered but what are on going issues
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Just personal , like packaging etc .
Buying bubble wrap etc , website issues etc .
Time to post out etc .
We're new to this as you can imagine .
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I've been using it for approximately 12 months . The latest exact mix I've been using probably 6 months .
It doesn't damage plastics or pumps etc .
Remember water is a chemical ? H2O
Hmmm ok I will try it in trolley systems first. My system cost a fair wack and I don't want it damaging.
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So how did you get together ?
Darran
Us 3 got together by chance , friend of a friend etc
Simple really
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I've been using it for approximately 12 months . The latest exact mix I've been using probably 6 months .
It doesn't damage plastics or pumps etc .
Remember water is a chemical ? H2O
Hmmm ok I will try it in trolley systems first. My system cost a fair wack and I don't
want it damaging.
My system is from pure freedom , plus heater etc , I spent £5k on my system .
It's fine
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I've been using it for approximately 12 months . The latest exact mix I've been using probably 6 months .
It doesn't damage plastics or pumps etc .
Remember water is a chemical ? H2O
Hmmm ok I will try it in trolley systems first. My system cost a fair wack and I don't
want it damaging.
My system is from pure freedom , plus heater etc , I spent £5k on my system .
It's fine
I will be trying it in a trolley first. As it will be easier to mix. My system
Was more than that. Just don't want stuff damaging.
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that's good to hear only manufacturing probs . look forward to trying will there be a safety sheet in due course be availiable just would like to know what I am breathing in due to previous health probs
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that's good to hear only manufacturing probs . look forward to trying will there be a safety sheet in due course be availiable just would like to know what I am breathing in due to previous health probs
there should be one if they are selling it. you cannot be selling chems without one at all. For end user n seller.
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Does this product give all windows a hydrophilic response?
Hi , there's a utube video somewhere than Jonny Sanderson did that shows it makes a window more Hydrophillic .
I've also noticed some windows have really benefited from Vision being used
Hi Kempy, have you got a link to this video, can't find it on youtube?
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Does this product give all windows a hydrophilic response?
Hi , there's a utube video somewhere than Jonny Sanderson did that shows it makes a window more Hydrophillic .
I've also noticed some windows have really benefited from Vision being used
Hi Kempy, have you got a link to this video, can't find it on youtube?
+1
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My diy system is bang on but if it makes things quicker I'd love to try it however I fill my tank with two water before twin di tanks and would like to hear more how it works with my type of setup as opposed to guys who have tanks of pure!
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that's good to hear only manufacturing probs . look forward to trying will there be a safety sheet in due course be availiable just would like to know what I am breathing in due to previous health probs
there should be one if they are selling it. you cannot be selling chems without one at all. For end user n seller.
Think I would want to know what's in it before ordering.
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No need for dragons den - lol .
We've produced it , marketed it and sorting on-going issues as we speak .
It's gone well .
However were window cleaners ourselves , family men with kids and no need to post on forums too much and annoy persons or be hard sellers .
The product will talk for itself once you've used it .
It's very very good . But I'm obviously affiliated to it . So don't take my word for it .
Give it a go .
Several testers have enjoyed it .
It's upto you guys , you all know your stuff And hopefully this Vision product will help you .
Hi Kempy
You are not related to Bosh are you ? ;D
Sorry mate old joke ;D
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So ... 4ml in a 400L tank?
One of the endorsements on the website says it rinses better but also says the flow has been turned up? Placebo indeed?
My offer ... send me a bottle FOC. I will put it in Dan the Man's tank in the ratio specified without him knowing. I will let you know the results after a month. If it works as described I'll pay double the price for the bottle. Deal?
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I reckon we give it a go . If its as good as claimed then he has a reqular sales from us on here however if its cr*p then word will get around and that's the end of there business what do we lose £18and that's tax allowable so total loss to us is less than what kempy will lose
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Don't think everyone s gonna think it's crap just maybe the odd one . My opinion is everyone shouldn't listen to others they should try it out for them self's because not everyone s the same. It's like some people don't like certain films but others enjoy them ,some people like certain foods n others don't that's y you shouldn't listen to other people s opinion s
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Don't think everyone s gonna think it's crap just maybe the odd one . My opinion is everyone shouldn't listen to others they should try it out for them self's because not everyone s the same. It's like some people don't like certain films but others enjoy them ,some people like certain foods n others don't that's y you shouldn't listen to other people s opinion s
Tee hee ;D
A film is subjective. This product is not. It either imprvoes the cleaning experience or it doesnt. Theres no two ways about it.
Which is why you should listen to other peoples opinion.
I wait with baited breathe to hear the opinions on others who've bought it. There've been so many 'wonder' chemicals marketed on here it's like watching paint dry.
Wonder what the active ingredient is in it - isopropynol by any chance?
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Is there a COSHH data sheet for it?
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Could anybody tell me what has happened to this wonder cleaning product that's called pure, one minute
its the best thing since sliced bread the next its useless unless its either heated or has added chemicals.
Cant believe how many come on here pretending to be window cleaners just to flog some rubbish to gullible fools
with money burning a hole in their pockets.
Guys if your not quick using pure alone then your doing something wrong.
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Anyone that believes purified water solves all problems in
every situation is a little deluded,nothing wrong with people using
other chemicals to increase cleaning power.
purified waters main benefit apart from a little extra cleaning power compared
to say a low tds tap water is that it leaves windows spotless for the most
part, speed of how you wfp has nothing to do with water being purified, that's
down to confidence and technique.
If someone uses this product and it increases their confidence in
doing the job...if it works whats the harm.
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Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.
Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.
Darran
Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝
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Guys if you think that I believe WFP solves all problems in cleaning windows then you haven't read any of
my previous replies to guys who think it does.
I would be the first to point out the many flaws in WFP cleaning and would say at times I can be over critical of it.
But what I do know is that most problems in WFP cleaning come from poor technique and problem frames and all
the chemicals in the world wont solve this.
Yes speed does come from confidence and if you don't have confidence in pure alone then chemicals wont change that.
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I will spend money if I can if it makes my life easier,happier it safer
This product ticks boxes for me so I have ordered some.
If it doesn't work it doesn't work.
If I go out and start smashing £600 days because of a "placebo" effect then bring it on.
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Fortunately pure works for me, so no need to go looking for silly gimmicks but if anybody comes up with a
reasonably priced exoskeleton that could speed up these old joints of mine I'm in.
Really want to get a three bed semi done in well under ten minutes.
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Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.
Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.
Darran
Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝
Hi Smudger,
I assume that you'll do COSHH assessments for any chemicals you use, is it a great idea to sneakily put an additive (containing unknown chemicals and without a COSHH datasheet) into the tank of an unsuspecting employee?
Not so sure.
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Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.
Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.
Darran
Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝
Hi Smudger,
I assume that you'll do COSHH assessments for any chemicals you use, is it a great idea to sneakily put an additive (containing unknown chemicals and without a COSHH datasheet) into the tank of an unsuspecting employee?
Not so sure.
Very good point
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I have cleaned a block off flats this morning and done them half hour quicker with the additive . That's a record for me as I'm not the quickest off window cleaners . I never had a problem with pure on its own but I always took my time to make sure they were done properly . Since using the additive I feel I am doing a better clean I always check windows and I haven't had a problem with spotting. When you clean windows with the additive you feel like your cleaning with watered down soapy water so you feel like your cleaning with soap if that makes sense lol
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Soupy your correct, before adding I will have checked the contents, if the label shows irritant or harmful, then it goes without saying it won't be used without everyone being informed.
Sean, while 95% of problems can come back to technique, there are some that are not, if this eliminates these that's only a good thing
Darran
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Soupy your correct, before adding I will have checked the contents, if the label shows irritant or harmful, then it goes without saying it won't be used without everyone being informed.
Sean, while 95% of problems can come back to technique, there are some that are not, if this eliminates these that's only a good thing
Darran
Nearly every chemical is harmful or irritant in its concentrated form so the MSDS sheet will probably say all sorts of scary things - the truth is though that its going to be massively diluted so its probably safe to drink.
Take bleach for example - sodium hypochlorite is the chemical name & if you read the MSDS on that you'd be quite shocked,.. but it is commonly used in small doses in the public water supply. My dad is involved in a "Group water scheme" (he lives out in the sticks) where one well feeds 30 odd houses with drinking water - they go through a 25 litre drum of concentrated food grade bleach every 2 months!
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If we all thought we had the best stuff around then nothing would change. We would still be all trad using vinegar and water or whatever they used to use. No one would have believed to try fairy or squeegee off or g101 etc . So unless someone comes up with something else most will think pure is the dogs b*****ks and the world is flat , If is just isobutonol or whatever at least they have worked out the best mix but think there maybe something else in it aswell. good on them my order is in . Just want to know what I am dealing with due to a certain health problem
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Soupy your correct, before adding I will have checked the contents, if the label shows irritant or harmful, then it goes without saying it won't be used without everyone being informed.
Sean, while 95% of problems can come back to technique, there are some that are not, if this eliminates these that's only a good thing
Darran
Nearly every chemical is harmful or irritant in its concentrated form so the MSDS sheet will probably say all sorts of scary things - the truth is though that its going to be massively diluted so its probably safe to drink.
Take bleach for example - sodium hypochlorite is the chemical name & if you read the MSDS on that you'd be quite shocked,.. but it is commonly used in small doses in the public water supply. My dad is involved in a "Group water scheme" (he lives out in the sticks) where one well feeds 30 odd houses with drinking water - they go through a 25 litre drum of concentrated food grade bleach every 2 months!
Yeah, I'm sure it'd be fine. The problem is - as with most things H&S - it hasn't got anything to do with being safe. It's an arse covering exercise.
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must be doing well. its out of stock.
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Come up with a useless product.
Get a few mates to hype it up.
Pretend its out of stock ( hold back until everybody thinks my god this must be good )
Then sell a large batch all in one go.
By the time everyone realises this stuff is just another gimmick that doesn't work your bank account is full.
Then a year or so down the road do the same again just name it something else.
Works every time.
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Come up with a useless product.
Get a few mates to hype it up.
Pretend its out of stock ( hold back until everybody thinks my god this must be good )
Then sell a large batch all in one go.
By the time everyone realises this stuff is just another gimmick that doesn't work your bank account is full.
Then a year or so down the road do the same again just name it something else.
Works every time.
So how many bottles have you ordered Sean :P
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Got to admire your positivity Sean ;D
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Think the missus has told him off ;D
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Seems to me if your taking longer to clean hydrophobic glass your not very confident in the outcome so your modifying your technique to compensate.
I used to do this but I've stopped and the results are the same.
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Hello!
I'm being really careful here as I don't want to tread on CIU's toes. We havnt paid for advertising and I realise that!
I've spoke to a few of you via emails, I'm jonathan sanderson and I'm one of those involved with this project for the last few years.
I'm happy to answer any questions and that's all I will do. I'm genuinely not trying to push a product on to anyone that doesn't want to try it.
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Hello!
I'm being really careful here as I don't want to tread on CIU's toes. We havnt paid for advertising and I realise that!
I've spoke to a few of you via emails, I'm jonathan sanderson and I'm one of those involved with this project for the last few years.
I'm happy to answer any questions and that's all I will do. I'm genuinely not trying to push a product on to anyone that doesn't want to try it.
Hi jonathan
So when can we have some more?
It say out of Stock.
Christmas has arrived early for you :)
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Hello!
I'm being really careful here as I don't want to tread on CIU's toes. We havnt paid for advertising and I realise that!
I've spoke to a few of you via emails, I'm jonathan sanderson and I'm one of those involved with this project for the last few years.
I'm happy to answer any questions and that's all I will do. I'm genuinely not trying to push a product on to anyone that doesn't want to try it.
Hi jonathan
So when can we have some more?
It say out of Stock.
Christmas has arrived early for you :)
Hi hasti,
By the end of this evening the doors will be open again. :) We had a bit of a hiccup over the weekend, but all is sorted now.
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If anything at least Ben M has finally started a post worth reading ;D
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Hi guys , I've answered a lot of phone calls today and I would respond to quotes on here. But it's time consuming .
Everyone has there own thoughts and opinions .
The product I won't comment on really , hopefully persons will try it and enjoy it .
If they don't like it then that's fine and no problem .
The product has had many testers that have enjoyed it .
We won't please everyone .
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Hi guys , I've answered a lot of phone calls today and I would respond to quotes on here. But it's time consuming .
Everyone has there own thoughts and opinions .
The product I won't comment on really , hopefully persons will try it and enjoy it .
If they don't like it then that's fine and no problem .
The product has had many testers that have enjoyed it .
We won't please everyone .
Is there a COSHH datasheet?
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Ill try it once i see some reviews on here ;D
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Seems to me if your taking longer to clean hydrophobic glass your not very confident in the outcome so your modifying your technique to compensate.
I used to do this but I've stopped and the results are the same.
Exactly DG, some don't seem to realise this.
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Hi guys , I've answered a lot of phone calls today and I would respond to quotes on here. But it's time consuming .
Everyone has there own thoughts and opinions .
The product I won't comment on really , hopefully persons will try it and enjoy it .
If they don't like it then that's fine and no problem .
The product has had many testers that have enjoyed it .
We won't please everyone .
Is there a COSHH datasheet?
Hi soupy,
Yes there is a msds data sheet which includes coshh. It's on our website on the product page.
To be honest this is what was holding us up this weekend. I'm going to put my hands up and say I/we messed up. Myself and all others who have used this product know that it it's safe. I've used this exact product for over a year now with no issues, but That isn't good enough though. We have the proper msds sheet made (not by ourselves) and now we can get back to normal.
Anyone who has ordered since Friday night will have there orders shipped first class tomorrow morning and should receive on Wednesday.
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Hi guys , I've answered a lot of phone calls today and I would respond to quotes on here. But it's time consuming .
Everyone has there own thoughts and opinions .
The product I won't comment on really , hopefully persons will try it and enjoy it .
If they don't like it then that's fine and no problem .
The product has had many testers that have enjoyed it .
We won't please everyone .
Is there a COSHH datasheet?
Hi soupy,
Yes there is a msds data sheet which includes coshh. It's on our website on the product page.
To be honest this is what was holding us up this weekend. I'm going to put my hands up and say I/we messed up. Myself and all others who have used this product know that it it's safe. I've used this exact product for over a year now with no issues, but That isn't good enough though. We have the proper msds sheet made (not by ourselves) and now we can get back to normal.
Anyone who has ordered since Friday night will have there orders shipped first class tomorrow morning and should receive on Wednesday.
Understood. Thanks.
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Seems to me if your taking longer to clean hydrophobic glass your not very confident in the outcome so your modifying your technique to compensate.
I used to do this but I've stopped and the results are the same.
DG matey no trying to disagree with you ;D because in the main I agree
but I find generally if there is any spotting issues its normally been on
hydrophobic glass, now if this product can give a hydrophilic response
whilst cleaning and then drying there is a good chance that it would eliminate
any spotting at all for me.
This affects a small percentage of my work using low tds tapwater even smaller
amount rainwater and when I used pure there were stillproperties I cleaned
that this product would be useful for.
The other consideration for me is weather conditions, on windy days
on busy main roads, hydrophobic glass has given me problems in the past
with the water droplets hanging around far longer especially this time of year
when temps are lower and even when using pure I have had to blade the glass
hydrphillic glass has given me far less problems and again if I can get the
hydrophilic response on glass especially with drying where there its almost
an elastic effect leaving less droplets on the glass would leave me less work
to do.
One technique doesn't always cover all eventualities and if this product
does work I will find it useful.
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Turns up just when I have a week of bungalows never mind an excuse to do mine I suppose. Looking forward to trying it. Anyone tried it trad
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Seems to me if your taking longer to clean hydrophobic glass your not very confident in the outcome so your modifying your technique to compensate.
I used to do this but I've stopped and the results are the same.
DG matey no trying to disagree with you ;D because in the main I agree
but I find generally if there is any spotting issues its normally been on
hydrophobic glass, now if this product can give a hydrophilic response
whilst cleaning and then drying there is a good chance that it would eliminate
any spotting at all for me.
This affects a small percentage of my work using low tds tapwater even smaller
amount rainwater and when I used pure there were stillproperties I cleaned
that this product would be useful for.
The other consideration for me is weather conditions, on windy days
on busy main roads, hydrophobic glass has given me problems in the past
with the water droplets hanging around far longer especially this time of year
when temps are lower and even when using pure I have had to blade the glass
hydrphillic glass has given me far less problems and again if I can get the
hydrophilic response on glass especially with drying where there its almost
an elastic effect leaving less droplets on the glass would leave me less work
to do.
One technique doesn't always cover all eventualities and if this product
does work I will find it useful.
Yeah, you'll be able to do everyone with tap water now.
Good times.
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Seems to me if your taking longer to clean hydrophobic glass your not very confident in the outcome so your modifying your technique to compensate.
I used to do this but I've stopped and the results are the same.
DG matey no trying to disagree with you ;D because in the main I agree
but I find generally if there is any spotting issues its normally been on
hydrophobic glass, now if this product can give a hydrophilic response
whilst cleaning and then drying there is a good chance that it would eliminate
any spotting at all for me.
This affects a small percentage of my work using low tds tapwater even smaller
amount rainwater and when I used pure there were stillproperties I cleaned
that this product would be useful for.
The other consideration for me is weather conditions, on windy days
on busy main roads, hydrophobic glass has given me problems in the past
with the water droplets hanging around far longer especially this time of year
when temps are lower and even when using pure I have had to blade the glass
hydrphillic glass has given me far less problems and again if I can get the
hydrophilic response on glass especially with drying where there its almost
an elastic effect leaving less droplets on the glass would leave me less work
to do.
One technique doesn't always cover all eventualities and if this product
does work I will find it useful.
Yeah, you'll be able to do everyone with tap water now.
Good times.
Rain water for ages now matey haven't had to blade that much at all..i
am considering deionising water again in the summer when harvesting is
more difficult getting to like being lazy again ;D.still will find this product if
it works useful though :)
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Hi jonathan
Does it work with hot water system as well as cold ?
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Hi jonathan
Does it work with hot water system as well as cold ?
Hi hasti,
It works really well with both.
I just have a DIY lpg heater and it works great.
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Is there a COSHH datasheet?
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Vision-MSDS-.pdf
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We won't please everyone .
Im surprised to hear that from someone who is supplying cleaning fluid. I have every confidence we satisfy all of our customers.
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Is there a COSHH datasheet?
http://jigsaw-innovations.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Vision-MSDS-.pdf
Thanks vin. Very helpful. ::)roll
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Hi jonathan
Does it work with hot water system as well as cold ?
Hi hasti,
It works really well with both.
I just have a DIY lpg heater and it works great.
Great, :)
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If anything at least Ben M has finally started a post worth reading ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Rain water for ages now matey haven't had to blade that much at all..i
am considering deionising water again in the summer when harvesting is
more difficult getting to like being lazy again ;D.still will find this product if
it works useful though :)
(http://media.giphy.com/media/EVRrpBIFQSZWg/giphy.gif)
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
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Agreed. Ben M why have u got that cill cloth next to the union flag
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
I'm with you smudger, £20? Worth a pop.
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Agreed. Ben M why have u got that cill cloth next to the union flag
a bit of respect please Paul,thank you.
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Agreed. Ben M why have u got that cill cloth next to the union flag
a bit of respect please Paul,thank you.
I thought that was respectful
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Rain water for ages now matey haven't had to blade that much at all..i
am considering deionising water again in the summer when harvesting is
more difficult getting to like being lazy again ;D.still will find this product if
it works useful though :)
(http://media.giphy.com/media/EVRrpBIFQSZWg/giphy.gif)
;D
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Agreed. Ben M why have u got that cill cloth next to the union flag
a bit of respect please Paul,thank you.
I thought that was respectful
Why have you got the French flag anyway? Take it your half French?
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Agreed. Ben M why have u got that cill cloth next to the union flag
a bit of respect please Paul,thank you.
I thought that was respectful
Why have you got the French flag anyway? Take it your half French?
I am 100% French but i live in uk and love this country so i have the union flag too.
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Nice one
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
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Precisely.
+1.
Even Gary999 Glitter is in on it. ;D
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
Well good luck to him, he has a product that help us to do better, he has market it well, and i for one will buy it and try it, if its good, i buy more. :)
There seam to be few minority on here, that hate people to succeed. ???
Which is a shame because you never get anywhere in life, and will be looked up on as a fool. :)
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
im certainly no part of any click and this isn't the first time additives have
been discussed for pure..its happened loads of times Jeff brimble had tried
loads of experiments with limited success to reduce spotting and others have found ways to
make hydrophobic glass sheet in a hydrophilic way.
If it works great if it doesn't well hey ho such is life and I waste more money
on biscuits each week so no big deal :)
If it doesn't wellyou can come on here and tell us what fools we have been,happy
days allround :)
Until then stop bloody whineing ;D
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Sorry Ben M but French are natural enermy of the English you were always nipping over the channel to have a pop at us . You started a good post though .
Well we should get it tomorrow so then we can have a vote to see if its worth the money and settle it
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
You really are a man of 'my glass is half empty'
Than glass half full rant you
Darran
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Just think these £500 a day heroes could be earning more.
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Just think these £500 a day heroes could be earning more.
I thought you were one of those numpties...sorry I meant heroes ;D
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You joining clicks now chunks??
What colour are your bandanas..?
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You joining clicks now chunks??
What colour are your bandanas..?
Not sure, was thinking of the full Axl rose but a bit cold for a skirt
this time of year ;D
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
You really are a man of 'my glass is half empty'
Than glass half full rant you
Darran
No mate just long enough in the tooth to know when something doesn't add up, I just wonder what reception myself or
others would get if we came out with a product like this.
Tagh o Shea is one example, he has come on with a few products and has been totally ridiculed, strange how you didn't all
rush to try his products for the sake of moving forward.
Well until he started offering freebies.
Very strange that Im a glass half full or a hater if I read the claims on a product and don't believe they could work, we all do
that daily on here, no harm mate but like a few others here you jump too quickly to defend this product to be totally impartial.
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Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
Yeah but this one has got Unicorn semen as the magic ingredient. ;D
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Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
Yeah but this one has got Unicorn semen as the magic ingredient. ;D
No he hasn't we all know he uses Leprechaun tears. ;D
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
You really are a man of 'my glass is half empty'
Than glass half full rant you
Darran
No mate just long enough in the tooth to know when something doesn't add up, I just wonder what reception myself or
others would get if we came out with a product like this.
Tagh o Shea is one example, he has come on with a few products and has been totally ridiculed, strange how you didn't all
rush to try his products for the sake of moving forward.
Well until he started offering freebies.
Very strange that Im a glass half full or a hater if I read the claims on a product and don't believe they could work, we all do
that daily on here, no harm mate but like a few others here you jump too quickly to defend this product to be totally impartial.
Bloody hell you still going on ;D you think it doesn't add up..fine you could be
right, then dont buy any..you have made your point whats your problem ;D
If its a load of bollox ill post on here andconfess what a fool ive been just
for you, wouldn't be the first time in my life that's happened. ;D
Sean you cant lose mate..if its crap you can laugh at everyone for wasting
a small amount of cash on crap, if it turns out to be decent then you get
a recommended product that might in the future be useful to you :)
Now take a deep breath and relax ;D
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Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
Yeah but this one has got Unicorn semen as the magic ingredient. ;D
Dear god! don't tell me you had a hand in getting that ingredient :o
;D
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
You really are a man of 'my glass is half empty'
Than glass half full rant you
Darran
No mate just long enough in the tooth to know when something doesn't add up, I just wonder what reception myself or
others would get if we came out with a product like this.
Tagh o Shea is one example, he has come on with a few products and has been totally ridiculed, strange how you didn't all
rush to try his products for the sake of moving forward.
Well until he started offering freebies.
Very strange that Im a glass half full or a hater if I read the claims on a product and don't believe they could work, we all do
that daily on here, no harm mate but like a few others here you jump too quickly to defend this product to be totally impartial.
Bloody hell you still going on ;D you think it doesn't add up..fine you could be
right, then dont buy any..you have made your point whats your problem ;D
If its a load of bollox ill post on here andconfess what a fool ive been just
for you, wouldn't be the first time in my life that's happened. ;D
Sean you cant lose mate..if its crap you can laugh at everyone for wasting
a small amount of cash on crap, if it turns out to be decent then you get
a recommended product that might in the future be useful to you :)
Now take a deep breath and relax ;D
Here's an idea Gary stop giving me something to reply to, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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While we have had the magica one saga, I don't really think at this stage we need to slate and demean a product until people have tried it and reported back, if your doubtful or not interested then carry on as you are, in the past Gardiners used to get grief with statements like who needs a pole to clean windows, that's not what real Windy's clean with, and more recently aquadaptor and peters aquatap.
Cmon gents things are always moving forward...
Darran
Its not about moving forward or living in the middle ages, its about buying products and spending your hard earned cash.
There are thousands of different products out there that claim to do this and that in the world of cleaning, if we were to try
every one of them for the sake of moving forward we would all end up bankrupt.
Nothing that I have read about this product adds up for me, plus the fact that a certain click on here seem to be very willing
to throw their money at it and defend it makes me even more suspicious.
You really are a man of 'my glass is half empty'
Than glass half full rant you
Darran
No mate just long enough in the tooth to know when something doesn't add up, I just wonder what reception myself or
others would get if we came out with a product like this.
Tagh o Shea is one example, he has come on with a few products and has been totally ridiculed, strange how you didn't all
rush to try his products for the sake of moving forward.
Well until he started offering freebies.
Very strange that Im a glass half full or a hater if I read the claims on a product and don't believe they could work, we all do
that daily on here, no harm mate but like a few others here you jump too quickly to defend this product to be totally impartial.
Bloody hell you still going on ;D you think it doesn't add up..fine you could be
right, then dont buy any..you have made your point whats your problem ;D
If its a load of bollox ill post on here andconfess what a fool ive been just
for you, wouldn't be the first time in my life that's happened. ;D
Sean you cant lose mate..if its crap you can laugh at everyone for wasting
a small amount of cash on crap, if it turns out to be decent then you get
a recommended product that might in the future be useful to you :)
Now take a deep breath and relax ;D
Here's an idea Gary stop giving me something to reply to, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
The landing net is ready ;D
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still a lot of money for a bottle of Ecover.
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Mr Willis that is funny ;D
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I'm deadly serious!
All they are doing is adding a surfactant to reduce the surface tension of the water. We're talking about window cleaners here (thick as poope basically) not chemists. What they will have done is try different household surfactants of which detergent is one of them. Quite possibly ecover as it was all the rage a couple of years back. One ml per 100l of pure won't do a lot but it might be enough to break the surface tension a little to improve sheeting but not enough to cause spotting.
Do a Boshravie - rebrand it, stick it in a bottle and flog it to 20,000 more thick as poope window cleaners and Bob's Yer Uncle
;) ;) ;)
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I'm deadly serious!
All they are doing is adding a surfactant to reduce the surface tension of the water. We're talking about window cleaners here (thick as poope basically) not chemists. What they will have done is try different household surfactants of which detergent is one of them. Quite possibly ecover as it was all the rage a couple of years back. One ml per 100l of pure won't do a lot but it might be enough to break the surface tension a little to improve sheeting but not enough to cause spotting.
Do a Boshravie - rebrand it, stick it in a bottle and flog it to 20,000 more thick as poope window cleaners and Bob's Yer Uncle
;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm deadly serious!
All they are doing is adding a surfactant to reduce the surface tension of the water. We're talking about window cleaners here (thick as poope basically) not chemists. What they will have done is try different household surfactants of which detergent is one of them. Quite possibly ecover as it was all the rage a couple of years back. One ml per 100l of pure won't do a lot but it might be enough to break the surface tension a little to improve sheeting but not enough to cause spotting.
Do a Boshravie - rebrand it, stick it in a bottle and flog it to 20,000 more thick as poope window cleaners and Bob's Yer Uncle
;) ;) ;)
I wouldn't have put it in quite those terms but .... +1
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You very well could be right Mr Willis and if it is the case
they will be found out just like Bosh who was just trying to help people ;D
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Just think these £500 a day heroes could be earning more.
I thought you were one of those numpties...sorry I meant heroes ;D
Haha I wish. I drive an R reg escort van with a bath tub in the back for my tank.
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Its defo not ecover - - I got a bit of inside info because I did the website for them,.. I'm sworn to secrecy, but I can tell you that its something I've never heard of window cleaners using before,... ;)
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You joining clicks now chunks??
What colour are your bandanas..?
Not sure, was thinking of the full Axl rose but a bit cold for a skirt
this time of year ;D
;D
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Well it's about time you posted the msds for that product on their website then Nat as we would like to see whats in it ;D
Its defo not ecover - - I got a bit of inside info because I did the website for them,.. I'm sworn to secrecy, but I can tell you that its something I've never heard of window cleaners using before,... ;)
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Well it's about time you posted the msds for that product on their website then Nat as we would like to see whats in it ;D
It's already up mate, Vin will be along shortly to give you the link.
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Its defo not ecover - - I got a bit of inside info because I did the website for them,.. I'm sworn to secrecy, but I can tell you that its something I've never heard of window cleaners using before,... ;)
a clean scrim?
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
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Just ordered a bottle to try - anything to speed up the working day!
PS. Nice website Nat :)
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I'm supprised they don't give you a free supply for life Alex. ;D
Just ordered a bottle to try - anything to speed up the working day!
PS. Nice website Nat :)
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free bottle with every pole coming up. Rather have a hat this weather. ;)
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Just ordered a bottle to try - anything to speed up the working day!
PS. Nice website Nat :)
You want to careful Mr Gardiner you will have old misery guts on here
telling you a fool and his money are easily parted...or something to
that effect ;D
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The MSDS sheet says "Anionic Surface Active Agents derived from Renewable (Oleochemical) sources ". So it's a surfactant. Surfactants lower surface tension. Like detergent.
Oleochemical means derived from animal or plant fat. So, you can recreate it by just dropping a lump of lard in your tank. What could possibly go wrong?
Vin
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Anionic Surface Active Agents derived from Renewable (Oleochemical) sources - that'll be whale blubber.
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He's half French and also halfwit .
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Whatever happened to PPB? ;D
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
Careful Dave being negative about this product could set window cleaning back 100 years Gary999 is counting
on this to get a spot free window for the first time.
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Well it seems vision is derived from palm oil and/or palm kernel oil with a neutral ph so that a good start.
So that means no whales or other animals were harmed in testing or making of the product I’m guessing too ;D
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
Careful Dave being negative about this product could set window cleaning back 100 years Gary999 is counting
on this to get a spot free window for the first time.
ive been wfp for nearly 8 years 7 using pure
and 1 year not, I always guarantee a spot free finish ;)
Let it go now matey it cant be good for you , just be happy in the knowledge
that your right and every one who buys this product is a numpty. ;D
Now stop being miserable and give us one of your winning smiles :) :)
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I think I know what this product is. Some years ago I was involved in the chemical cosmetics manufacturer.We used a fruit extract to reduce surface tension in a hair product and we used this extract to help the chemical to spread over the hair and increase porosity. This to would make water milky and would not increase TDS but would make the water mildly acidic.
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For me it's just not he same without harming Wales, these Wales have had me over time and time again , can't you at least test it on a killer whale or something first then I'm well in
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
Careful Dave being negative about this product could set window cleaning back 100 years Gary999 is counting
on this to get a spot free window for the first time.
ive been wfp for nearly 8 years 7 using pure
and 1 year not, I always guarantee a spot free finish ;)
Let it go now matey it cant be good for you , just be happy in the knowledge
that your right and every one who buys this product is a numpty. ;D
Now stop being miserable and give us one of your winning smiles :) :)
Mate I bought a Dragonfly so I'm in no position to call anybody a numpty, enjoy your £15 bottle of dishwasher rinse
aid. ;D
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Hello Vera
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Caravan cleaner
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Just a quickie.........
This isn't an off the shelf product that we've just stuck our own label onto. I can guarantee it does not contain ecover, whale blubber, or anything to do with unicorns. :)
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did I read on the website this was the first of a long line of products?
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No, you read that this is one of many products that window cleaners over the years have used. In other words, its nothing special ;D
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Rinse aid . I already know what it is. Its acid its surfactant and its anionic sulphate.
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did I read on the website this was the first of a long line of products?
Hi Dave,
You did read that sir. :)
Vision is a good all rounder that ticks most boxes, but in the years we've been doing this we've been able to do different things with pure water additives that benefit different situations.
Vision is our priority know though, and will be for the near future.
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Have any of the orders from those on here been sent out yet?
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I think I know what this product is. Some years ago I was involved in the chemical cosmetics manufacturer.We used a fruit extract to reduce surface tension in a hair product and we used this extract to help the chemical to spread over the hair and increase porosity. This to would make water milky and would not increase TDS but would make the water mildly acidic.
It's not acetone with a squidge of Orange in it is it ?! ;D
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Have any of the orders from those on here been sent out yet?
We did a big ship out this morning, and all orders made today are being sent out tomorrow firs class, there being packaged up as we speak. :)
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
Careful Dave being negative about this product could set window cleaning back 100 years Gary999 is counting
on this to get a spot free window for the first time.
ive been wfp for nearly 8 years 7 using pure
and 1 year not, I always guarantee a spot free finish ;)
Let it go now matey it cant be good for you , just be happy in the knowledge
that your right and every one who buys this product is a numpty. ;D
Now stop being miserable and give us one of your winning smiles :) :)
Mate I bought a Dragonfly so I'm in no position to call anybody a numpty, enjoy your £15 bottle of dishwasher rinse
aid. ;D
Ive used dishwasher aid bought from poundland didn't really work ;D
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Most detergents will do it - even a disinfectant. Hot water lowers the tension too.
Careful Dave being negative about this product could set window cleaning back 100 years Gary999 is counting
on this to get a spot free window for the first time.
ive been wfp for nearly 8 years 7 using pure
and 1 year not, I always guarantee a spot free finish ;)
Let it go now matey it cant be good for you , just be happy in the knowledge
that your right and every one who buys this product is a numpty. ;D
Now stop being miserable and give us one of your winning smiles :) :)
Mate I bought a Dragonfly so I'm in no position to call anybody a numpty, enjoy your £15 bottle of dishwasher rinse
aid. ;D
Ive used dishwasher aid bought from poundland didn't really work ;D
I think I'd be pretty devastated if after four years of trial and errors we were just selling you rinse aid. Lol
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Used it for the first time today. The biggest plus for me is that the brush definitely glides better on the glass when scrubbing, as for rinsing, it takes a wee bit o getting used to seeing bubbles on the glass (maybe I used too much solution) but they soon disappear. As for the finish on the glass, as I am one of the busy fools who cleans houses for £6 I didn't hang around long enough to check windows when they were dry :P. Early days but have to say I was quite impressed with the product.
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bubbles on the glass ???
Used it for the first time today. The biggest plus for me is that the brush definitely glides better on the glass when scrubbing, as for rinsing, it takes a wee bit o getting used to seeing bubbles on the glass (maybe I used too much solution) but they soon disappear. As for the finish on the glass, as I am one of the busy fools who cleans houses for £6 I didn't hang around long enough to check windows when they were dry :P. Early days but have to say I was quite impressed with the product.
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bobbles or bubbles
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Baubles this time of the year surely ???
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Baubles this time of the year surely ???
Careful Dave, being that sharp you'll end up cutting yourself ;D
Darran
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We have the same product
5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery
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We have the same product
5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery
Not to contradict you, but I can guarantee you havnt rhinoman. :)
This isn't a rebadged product.
The ingredients in our additive cannot just be bought from a shop or local supplier, they are specialist ingredients that we have sourced, and then have them all blended in the correct ratios.
If you did have the same product then I'd be amazed.
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Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.
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I've not read throu all the posts on this topic but is there a video to see this stuff in action?
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Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.
Not sure why your so angry Sean. ???
There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.
Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.
If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry. :)
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I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.
So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think :)
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I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.
So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think :)
I'd expect Alex to be supportive, think about it, as a large business owner, he won't want to run down people in here, and he will probably be very supportive because he understands what it take to produce new innovations to the market, I'd be suprised if he's negative at all about it... He's a successful man, he's not gonna be bothered enough to be negative.
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I'm sure he will say if it's crap or not knowing Alex ;D
I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.
So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think :)
I'd expect Alex to be supportive, think about it, as a large business owner, he won't want to run down people in here, and he will probably be very supportive because he understands what it take to produce new innovations to the market, I'd be suprised if he's negative at all about it... He's a successful man, he's not gonna be bothered enough to be negative.
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Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.
Not sure why your so angry Sean. ???
There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.
Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.
If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry. :)
I'm not angry at all Jonny I have a mate who does something similar he buys in a product in bulk and sells it on in
smaller portions with permission of the supplier.
Its nothing to do with the cleaning industry so I'm not trying to belittle your product for that reason.
But you are trying to convince people that a group of shiners have got together experimented with different chemicals
to produce a new cleaning additive for pure.
You have then had this product tested both on its usefulness to do the job and then on its safety to be sold to the public.
So I take it you have a patent for this new product that you have put so much money and time into ?
For me when someone's story doesn't add up I like to challenge it, if not why come onto a forum on the first place.
I only wish that I had read some negative views on a Brodex pole and Dragonfly kit before buying as it would have saved
me a few quid.
Fair enough the get a grip remark was a bit strong so I apologize for that comment.
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Is it not just me but who in there right mind would pay £1,500 for a 25ltr container of a conentrated cleaning product?
In affect that is how much it would cost rather it being sold for 14.99 250ml of the stuff. ???
Let me guess you're going to say it's worth it ;D
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Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.
Not sure why your so angry Sean. ???
There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.
Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.
If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry. :)
I'm not angry at all Jonny I have a mate who does something similar he buys in a product in bulk and sells it on in
smaller portions with permission of the supplier.
Its nothing to do with the cleaning industry so I'm not trying to belittle your product for that reason.
But you are trying to convince people that a group of shiners have got together experimented with different chemicals
to produce a new cleaning additive for pure.
You have then had this product tested both on its usefulness to do the job and then on its safety to be sold to the public.
So I take it you have a patent for this new product that you have put so much money and time into ?
For me when someone's story doesn't add up I like to challenge it, if not why come onto a forum on the first place.
I only wish that I had read some negative views on a Brodex pole and Dragonfly kit before buying as it would have saved
me a few quid.
Fair enough the get a grip remark was a bit strong so I apologize for that comment.
I know your not going to believe us Sean but yes, that is what's happened. A few years ago I was looking for something I could put in pure water to help speed up the process of pure water window cleaning. I felt as though sometimes pure just didn't cut it. I asked around and asked a few questions on various forums, and that's where I met someone who had actually made inroads on the same project. Fast forward nearly four years and we've finally got something that we all really believe in and use every day.
it's benefited our own businesses tremendously in the last year or so, so we feel it could do the same for many other window cleaners.
Also at less than £20 we would never be able 'con' anyone or flog a useless product, because once a few people tried it and gave it a terrible review no one would buy it again.
Ask anyone on this forum who has actually tried the product Sean and see for yourself what they say.
I'm sure there will be some who really don't like it for whatever reason, but the vast majority who have tried it so far say that they like it, and want to keep on using it.
Patent wise We have sufficient protection for it so far, but that is ongoing and yes that is very expensive too unfortunately.
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Got mine today. Dumped half the bottle in my 850 tank.
I'm expecting good things tomorrow ;D ;D
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Is it not just me but who in there right mind would pay £1,500 for a 25ltr container of a conentrated cleaning product?
In affect that is how much it would cost rather it being sold for 14.99 250ml of the stuff. ???
Let me guess you're going to say it's worth it ;D
If you saw Boshravies (aka Hasti) post the other day trying to flog his own chemical range you could google the manufacturer (can't now because the mods blocked it). I did and they were looking for distributors of their 'Amazing' products - they even give you the option to rebrand the stuff. Probably what Rhino and his close relative Boshravie are doing. Buy it in bulk and flog it on.
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Got mine today. Dumped half the bottle in my 850 tank.
I'm expecting good things tomorrow ;D ;D
You only need 8 squirts of the bottle. Haha.
Let me know how you get on tomorrow. :)
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Only joking ;) nah it hasn't turned up yet :)
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So to carry on my little pricing thing do you ship it in 1000 ltr ibc's like other suppliers do if so how much would it cost for 1000ltr ibc ...£60,000 maybe? ;D
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Only joking ;) nah it hasn't turned up yet :)
It was shipped out yesterday so thought it would have arrived today. :( Hopefully will be with you tomorrow. :)
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So to carry on my little pricing thing do you ship it in 1000 ltr ibc's like other suppliers do if so how much would it cost for 1000ltr ibc ...£60,000 maybe? ;D
For you smurf......£30,000.
Aslong as you pay upfront. :)
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I get the feeling I'm being ignored somehow ::)roll
edit : But your going to give me £30,000 discount :o
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Just goes to show how expensive that stuff is compared to anything else but you're still going to tell me it's worth it I suppose ;D
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Just goes to show how expensive that stuff is compared to anything else but you're still going to tell me it's worth it I suppose ;D
Considering that a 1000 litre ibc of vision would last you about 900 years full time window cleaning, I'd say that's pretty good value. ;)
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Hi
Just a question regarding this product, as it's an anionic solution is there any chance it could damage metal work at all?
Simon.
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Can I have it on credit then and pay you in 900 years then? ;D
Just goes to show how expensive that stuff is compared to anything else but you're still going to tell me it's worth it I suppose ;D
Considering that a 1000 litre ibc of vision would last you about 900 years full time window cleaning, I'd say that's pretty good value. ;)
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YES as if you read the msds it will tell you so
Hi
Just a question regarding this product, as it's an anionic solution is there any chance it could damage metal work at all?
Simon.
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Hi
Just a question regarding this product, as it's an anionic solution is there any chance it could damage metal work at all?
Simon.
Hi Simon,
The quote "anionic solution" is taken from the competitors msds sheet that we had made for our product, and covers us legally. If you look at a lot of cleaning products this would appear.
We recommend that you should handle this product in its concentrated state very carefully, (Just like you would with any cleaning formula) and only use it per our
1-100,000 dilution ratio.
At this dilution ratio it is perfectly safe in every way. Pets, people and plants. Not necessarily in that order. :)
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I was a bit puzzled in the msds when it said not combustable but further down it said was affected by heat? ???
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I was a bit puzzled in the msds when it said not combustable but further down it said was affected by heat? ???
I guess that's why your a window cleaner and not a chemist then. :)
If I look at any msds sheet it confuses me. That's why we had this sheet made specifically for us and didn't do it ourselves. :)
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From your competitors MSDS sheet? So this isn't something you've cribbed together yourself from your own time and investment, just something you've kinda poached from someone else? Hoping it'll suffice.
What have you actually done yourselves with regards to health and safety checks, trials and tests. What have you invested in to this?
Who are your competitors?
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From your competitors MSDS sheet? So this isn't something you've cribbed together yourself from your own time and investment, just something you've kinda poached from someone else? Hoping it'll suffice.
What have you actually done yourselves with regards to health and safety checks, trials and tests. What have you invested in to this?
Who are your competitors?
I think your mis understanding what a competitors msds sheet is. A competitors msds sheet is a safety data sheet that gives all the NECESSARY information without giving away the ingredients.
Just like if your read coca colas msds sheet you cant see what is actually in it, just the necessary and legal info.
This msds was made specifically for us and our product.
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So who checks if the msds is correct?
From your competitors MSDS sheet? So this isn't something you've cribbed together yourself from your own time and investment, just something you've kinda poached from someone else? Hoping it'll suffice.
What have you actually done yourselves with regards to health and safety checks, trials and tests. What have you invested in to this?
Who are your competitors?
I think your mis understanding what a competitors msds sheet is. A competitors msds sheet is a safety data sheet that gives all the NECESSARY information without giving away the ingredients.
Just like if your read coca colas msds sheet you cant see what is actually in it, just the necessary and legal info.
This msds was made specifically for us and our product.
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So who checks if the msds is correct?
From your competitors MSDS sheet? So this isn't something you've cribbed together yourself from your own time and investment, just something you've kinda poached from someone else? Hoping it'll suffice.
What have you actually done yourselves with regards to health and safety checks, trials and tests. What have you invested in to this?
Who are your competitors?
I think your mis understanding what a competitors msds sheet is. A competitors msds sheet is a safety data sheet that gives all the NECESSARY information without giving away the ingredients.
Just like if your read coca colas msds sheet you cant see what is actually in it, just the necessary and legal info.
This msds was made specifically for us and our product.
This is getting a bit tiresome..........
Msds are a legal requirement. So for instance.....someone takes your product and pours it into their eyes, Or drinks it, they can't then say......I didn't know I shouldn't have done that.
Or if someone does genuinely have an accident with a product, the doctors could look up online what is in It etc.
Or if a ship load of this product is on a lorry that is on fire, the fire brigade can look up the info and see any issues.
So aslong as your msds sheet is correct then that is all that's required. Msds can be spot checked at any time.
Please feel free to google any other questions you have smurf. :)
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Does this mean we cant say WFP is no longer environmentally friendly, as it now contains additives?
Toxic additives.
8)
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im using this and it works grate well worth £15 ill buy more when i run out :)
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;D ;D ;D
so who checks the checkers?
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Does this mean we cant say WFP is no longer environmentally friendly, as it now contains additives?
Toxic additives.
8)
In it's diluted ratio it is very much environmental friendly. Even bio degradable. :)
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Hi
Just a question regarding this product, as it's an anionic solution is there any chance it could damage metal work at all?
Simon.
Thanks.
Hi Simon,
The quote "anionic solution" is taken from the competitors msds sheet that we had made for our product, and covers us legally. If you look at a lot of cleaning products this would appear.
We recommend that you should handle this product in its concentrated state very carefully, (Just like you would with any cleaning formula) and only use it per our
1-100,000 dilution ratio.
At this dilution ratio it is perfectly safe in every way. Pets, people and plants. Not necessarily in that order. :)
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im using this and it works grate well worth £15 ill buy more when i run out :)
First post on here lol :P
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So is nuclear waste if left in the ground long enough ;D
Does this mean we cant say WFP is no longer environmentally friendly, as it now contains additives?
Toxic additives.
8)
In it's diluted ratio it is very much environmental friendly. Even bio degradable. :)
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im using this and it works grate well worth £15 ill buy more when i run out :)
Ha ha, first post too.
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We have the same product
5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery
You are lower than a snakes belly. Isn't it about time you made your mind up. You see when you tell so many lies you invariably end up tripping yourself up, just last week you said you had bought some 'amazing stuff' off Hasti AKA Boshcrazy, but as you well know I saw right through your half baked, ridiculous attempt to drum up support for a product that is in fact yours. Poor show.
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they not far from me going to to go and see them
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Is it not just me but who in there right mind would pay £1,500 for a 25ltr container of a conentrated cleaning product?
In affect that is how much it would cost rather it being sold for 14.99 250ml of the stuff. ???
Let me guess you're going to say it's worth it ;D
If you saw Boshravies (aka Hasti) post the other day trying to flog his own chemical range you could google the manufacturer (can't now because the mods blocked it). I did and they were looking for distributors of their 'Amazing' products - they even give you the option to rebrand the stuff. Probably what Rhino and his close relative Boshravie are doing. Buy it in bulk and flog it on.
Really ?
I had no idea :o
You probably say (Jhonny 87 ) is part of the gang as well ;D ;D ;D
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We have the same product
5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery
You are lower than a snakes belly. Isn't it about time you made your mind up. You see when you tell so many lies you invariably end up tripping yourself up, just last week you said you had bought some 'amazing stuff' off Hasti AKA Boshcrazy, but as you well know I saw right through your half baked, ridiculous attempt to drum up support for a product that is in fact yours. Poor show.
;D ;D ;D
For what it's worth, I also think the purple one is full of bovine manure!! ;D ;D
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hi Jonny.
my di vessel is after my tank. Still ok to use 'vision' ?
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hi Jonny.
my di vessel is after my tank. Still ok to use 'vision' ?
Hi shining,
Sorry but this has to be added to pure water.
DI resin starts to take away certain parts of the additive so that it really isn't worth using it.
Do you have any way you can filter straight into your tank?
I know it's not ideal for all users.
Were working on a way to add the vision just before the reel but this is still a long way off yet.
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Jhonny
Have you done any videos on it yet ?
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ooops ! ordered 3 bottles from you earlier this evening ::)roll ::)roll
can i get a refund? dont mind a small admin charge.
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ooops ! ordered 3 bottles from you earlier this evening ::)roll ::)roll
can i get a refund? dont mind a small admin charge.
Hi shining,
Yeah course you can, there will be no admin charge.
Just drop me an email;
Shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
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ooops ! ordered 3 bottles from you earlier this evening ::)roll ::)roll
can i get a refund? dont mind a small admin charge.
P.s...
Do you ever use a backpack or trolley set up?
A few customers have the same setup as yourself but still find it beneficial to use as it makes there water in the backpack last longer because of the increase in speed.
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Jhonny
Have you done any videos on it yet ?
This is a video of my parents house, the glass is pretty hydrophobic, but you can see that it is still relatively easy to rinse because of the additive.
It's difficult to capture on an iphone camera, but hopefully shows up enough.
http://youtu.be/yuxIjq2gq7s
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Jhonny
Have you done any videos on it yet ?
This is a video of my parents house, the glass is pretty hydrophobic, but you can see that it is still relatively easy to rinse because of the additive.
It's difficult to capture on an iphone camera, but hopefully shows up enough.
http://youtu.be/yuxIjq2gq7s
Go for the Go Pro ;)
Great, i have got a big job tomorrow 1st time clean and its DIRTY :) looking forward to give it a go.
Have you tried it on dried egg on glass ?
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Just google Unelko Bosh ( as if you haven't ::)roll
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Does the glass dry like hydrophilic glass leaving few or no droplets
of water?
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Jhonny
Have you done any videos on it yet ?
This is a video of my parents house, the glass is pretty hydrophobic, but you can see that it is still relatively easy to rinse because of the additive.
It's difficult to capture on an iphone camera, but hopefully shows up enough.
http://youtu.be/yuxIjq2gq7s
Jonny be very careful of any info you give to Hasti, he is Rhinomans puppet.
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Does the glass dry like hydrophilic glass leaving few or no droplets
of water?
It depends on the type of glass really.
If the glass was hydrophilic before then it does dry pretty free of droplets, but if it was hydrophobic before it will still leave droplets on the glass, it's the rinsing phase that becomes easier as it doesn't 'river' as much.
Some users have been saying that they feel it dries quicker on the glass though.
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Jhonny
Have you done any videos on it yet ?
This is a video of my parents house, the glass is pretty hydrophobic, but you can see that it is still relatively easy to rinse because of the additive.
It's difficult to capture on an iphone camera, but hopefully shows up enough.
http://youtu.be/yuxIjq2gq7s
Jonny be very careful of any info you give to Hasti, he is Rhinomans puppet.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i am in stitches
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Despite my scepticism Im gonna give it a go.
Cant see how something diluted at rate of 1 - 100,000 can have any effect but we'll see.
If it doesnt work I'll want my money back.
You do give refunds I presume?
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Nice one .
1ml per 100 litres is the guideline .
You may add more , but we advise 1ml per 100 litres
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Despite my scepticism Im gonna give it a go.
Cant see how something diluted at rate of 1 - 100,000 can have any effect but we'll see.
If it doesnt work I'll want my money back.
You do give refunds I presume?
Just got your order, and will be shipped out in the morning.
Buyer pays for the return postage but yes we do accept refunds.
Let us know how you get on. :)
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For £20 odd quid and a money back guarantee, I'll give it a go.
I'm lazy. Could you put up the link again for your website as I can't be bothered to go back and look through 10 odd pages for it. Thanks.
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For £20 odd quid and a money back guarantee, I'll give it a go.
I'm lazy. Could you put up the link again for your website as I can't be bothered to go back and look through 10 odd pages for it. Thanks.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191384.0
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For £20 odd quid and a money back guarantee, I'll give it a go.
I'm lazy. Could you put up the link again for your website as I can't be bothered to go back and look through 10 odd pages for it. Thanks.
£18.98 actually. ;)
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We have the same product
5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery
Forgot to mention - we don't sell it to just anyone - only a selected few - and they know who they are ;D
We are not in the market to sell cleaning products - selling cleaning chemicals can be hard work - especially in bottles of one and two's - takes up too much time packing and posting and to be honest I have better things to do with my time :o
I am sure the products being discussed on this forum are great and Ideal for most window cleaners.
I wish all the luck in the world to the guys selling it.
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Your mate does though http://www.unelko.com/
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Just come up with an idea of mixing it better.
My setup is not ideal for mixing (no access to lid at the moment)
So i was thinking of cycling the water back into tank.
Switch on both pumps flat out for say 30 mins and have both pumping into tank.
Would that work Jonny 87?
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Easiest way is put it in your tank at the recommended dosage. Put lid on. Drive to first job.
Start work.
The clue is in the word 'drive'.
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I would add it whilst the transfer hose was gushing in (if you have a static system).
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Dont know how effective "driving" to work will be with a Grippa tank.
Yeah I am thinking of an inline soap dispenser. I fill via hoselock hose. Automated RO and Tank filling. So I switch it on. Go out 2 hours later and just disconnect pipe.
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Dont know how effective "driving" to work will be with a Grippa tank.
I'll let you know Monday morning.
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Dont know how effective "driving" to work will be with a Grippa tank.
I'll let you know Monday morning.
Seriously no need. I will have my fluid today and will fill it today.
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Just come up with an idea of mixing it better.
My setup is not ideal for mixing (no access to lid at the moment)
So i was thinking of cycling the water back into tank.
Switch on both pumps flat out for say 30 mins and have both pumping into tank.
Would that work Jonny 87?
Yeah that should work totally fine.
Aslong as the mix is in your holding tank or barrel, within a few minutes it will mix itself through no problem.
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It many have been asked already but is this vision product suitable if using a hot wfp system?
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Arrived just in the nick of time before work.
Filled up my van (van mount)
Filled up dads van (trolley mount)
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It many have been asked already but is this vision product suitable if using a hot wfp system?
It is.
Works really well with hot and cold.
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I`m waiting with baited breath, :P so any chance of some honest judgements on this product soon instead of bitching?
Chemicals can do amazing things so I`m willing to accept what is claimed on face value. If however I find no advantage for my business then I don`t buy again and give an opinion on here. Simples! ???
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Thanks, thats good to know.
Also is it safe to use on self cleaning glass & solar panels?
It many have been asked already but is this vision product suitable if using a hot wfp system?
It is.
Works really well with hot and cold.
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Well Jonny
Where shall i start?
I tried it today and amazing is understatement.
This product is so good that i will be ordering tones of it.
Jonny , as del boy said, (THIS TIME NEXT YEAR YOU BE A MILLIONER ) ;)
My first job was a very dirty first time clean of big house, and it cut through grease, dirt and some algae on the windows like a hot knife on butter.
all my other jobs were regulars and its so easy to wash them, i usually do a second rinse but i didn't have to do this at all this time.
I worked it out this product will save me at least 20% on time and water, hence more money in my pocket. ;D
Jonny you have produced a product like no other ( its like when EDISON INVENTED LIGHT BULB) You will go far with this product. :)
Its o.k. if not many want it ( I WILL HAVE IT ) :D
WELL DONE MATE :)
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Well Jonny
Where shall i start?
I tried it today and amazing is understatement.
This product is so good that i will be ordering tones of it.
Jonny , as del boy said, (THIS TIME NEXT YEAR YOU BE A MILLIONER ) ;)
My first job was a very dirty first time clean of big house, and it cut through grease, dirt and some algae on the windows like a hot knife on butter.
all my other jobs were regulars and its so easy to wash them, i usually do a second rinse but i didn't have to do this at all this time.
I worked it out this product will save me at least 20% on time and water, hence more money in my pocket. ;D
Jonny you have produced a product like no other ( its like when EDISON INVENTED LIGHT BULB) You will go far with this product. :)
Its o.k. if not many want it ( I WILL HAVE IT ) :D
WELL DONE MATE :)
Hi hasti!
That review is so good it looks like we paid you to say that. Lol (we didn't though I promise)
To be honest though, it's the kind of reviews and feedback that a lot of people are giving us, although mayb not quite as full on. :)
Hopefully lots more reviews will all slowly filter through and we will gain people's trust and confidence. It's understandable that people are skeptical of something that goes against the grain so much.
We want everyone's feedback both positive and negative as there is things that we can change and alter in the additive to do different things. We feel vision is a great all rounder though.
Jonny.
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Well Jonny
Where shall i start?
I tried it today and amazing is understatement.
This product is so good that i will be ordering tones of it.
Jonny , as del boy said, (THIS TIME NEXT YEAR YOU BE A MILLIONER ) ;)
My first job was a very dirty first time clean of big house, and it cut through grease, dirt and some algae on the windows like a hot knife on butter.
all my other jobs were regulars and its so easy to wash them, i usually do a second rinse but i didn't have to do this at all this time.
I worked it out this product will save me at least 20% on time and water, hence more money in my pocket. ;D
Jonny you have produced a product like no other ( its like when EDISON INVENTED LIGHT BULB) You will go far with this product. :)
Its o.k. if not many want it ( I WILL HAVE IT ) :D
WELL DONE MATE :)
Hi hasti!
That review is so good it looks like we paid you to say that. Lol (we didn't though I promise)
To be honest though, it's the kind of reviews and feedback that a lot of people are giving us, although mayb not quite as full on. :)
Hopefully lots more reviews will all slowly filter through and we will gain people's trust and confidence. It's understandable that people are skeptical of something that goes against the grain so much.
We want everyone's feedback both positive and negative as there is things that we can change and alter in the additive to do different things. We feel vision is a great all rounder though.
Jonny.
The only thing that i noticed was the bobbles when washing not that i mind, but if you could get rid of the bobbles would be better.
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Bubbles or bobbles
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Bubbles or bobbles
Which ever you like ;D
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First day with "vision"
Far too early to make any conclusions.
Here is what i did notice tho.
On cleaning my first house, i noticed DURING cleaning a big window that the brush suddenly started to glide easier. Obviously i was using pure water in the 100M hose, then it went to the "vision" mix. So that was fun.
The water appears gloopy if that makes sense, almost like syrup.
Bird poo, fly spots and marks on UPVC all cleaned off easier.
Water left behind on the floor is 110% more slippery.
Had to calibrate pump several times as it appears to DE quicker (more sensitive).
I was surprised i started late, had rubbish work and was bang on target at 1pm. I had even stopped a bit longer for breakfast.
Rinsing is quicker BUT i was over rinsing due to bubbles.
You couldn't mate it up though. Had a glass roof to clean tomorrow and decided to clean today as i had a light day. The roof is horrible to clean. Has about a 3inch drop. It is more a lean to than a conny. Anyways the "vision" mix did help with rinsing.
Early, early days.
Oh yeah the smell! Everywhere you go, you can smell ****ing oranges lol
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What do you think might happen if I put 5ml teaspoon of virosol in a 500 litre tank. Maybe the results might be close be interesting to see.
When I wash up at home tesco expert fairy liquid sheets the glasses and drys clear too.
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And I'm not taking the pea...
It would be interesting to make a cleaning formula up for wfp
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hello pure,to answer some questions,
the constant dead ending and re-adjustment,vision contains bigger sizes atoms than pure alone (one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms)so,although it sounds wierd this is what you could find,i use a different type of controller so can only summise that this is whats happening,the oranges?!! its a perfume called citronella used widely in the perfume trade and aromatherapy industries,it covers the smell of the base ingredients which is not pleasant :-[,we like the strong smell as it is calming,you know its present in the water and can over time give an indication if you have overdosed or not with it
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I wont be trying it as Im too tight to spend money, and I use the water to make my tea.
Im also selling Bottled water out of my van called Andover spring ;D
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Peckham spring water is far better.
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So when added to the tank will it kill any bateria in the water too?
hello pure,to answer some questions,
the constant dead ending and re-adjustment,vision contains bigger sizes atoms than pure alone (one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms)so,although it sounds wierd this is what you could find,i use a different type of controller so can only summise that this is whats happening,the oranges?!! its a perfume called citronella used widely in the perfume trade and aromatherapy industries,it covers the smell of the base ingredients which is not pleasant :-[,we like the strong smell as it is calming,you know its present in the water and can over time give an indication if you have overdosed or not with it
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First day with "vision"
Far too early to make any conclusions.
Here is what i did notice tho.
On cleaning my first house, i noticed DURING cleaning a big window that the brush suddenly started to glide easier. Obviously i was using pure water in the 100M hose, then it went to the "vision" mix. So that was fun.
The water appears gloopy if that makes sense, almost like syrup.
Bird poo, fly spots and marks on UPVC all cleaned off easier.
Water left behind on the floor is 110% more slippery.
Had to calibrate pump several times as it appears to DE quicker (more sensitive).
I was surprised i started late, had rubbish work and was bang on target at 1pm. I had even stopped a bit longer for breakfast.
Rinsing is quicker BUT i was over rinsing due to bubbles.
You couldn't mate it up though. Had a glass roof to clean tomorrow and decided to clean today as i had a light day. The roof is horrible to clean. Has about a 3inch drop. It is more a lean to than a conny. Anyways the "vision" mix did help with rinsing.
Early, early days.
Oh yeah the smell! Everywhere you go, you can smell ****ing oranges lol
Hi pure
You don't need to rise too much as the bubbles will disappear, in fact i didn't do any rinsing today. hence save up more water and the result was the same, nice & shiny windows & Frames. :)
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I'm liking the sound of this product more & more :)
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Could anybody tell me what has happened to this wonder cleaning product that's called pure, one minute
its the best thing since sliced bread the next its useless unless its either heated or has added chemicals.
Cant believe how many come on here pretending to be window cleaners just to flog some rubbish to gullible fools
with money burning a hole in their pockets.
Guys if your not quick using pure alone then your doing something wrong.
Tend to agree.
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definitely quicker when rinsing. been using it for about a month now & had no complaints at all.
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Hi Johnny, Hasti Said "i didn't do any rinsing today." Whats your view on this, do you recommend rinsing or not.? If your product doesnt require rinsing then it takes on a whole new meaning. Im struggling with the whole concept of it making things quicker, speed is determined by technique, and after 10 yrs + in the job, i cant see me changing that technique, its second nature now ,im comfortable working in the way i do, its almost default mode. Also, does adding the vision change the freezing point at all?
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Hi Johnny, Hasti Said "i didn't do any rinsing today." Whats your view on this, do you recommend rinsing or not.? If your product doesnt require rinsing then it takes on a whole new meaning. Im struggling with the whole concept of it making things quicker, speed is determined by technique, and after 10 yrs + in the job, i cant see me changing that technique, its second nature now ,im comfortable working in the way i do, its almost default mode. Also, does adding the vision change the freezing point at all?
10 yrs + in the job, and been using the same technique.
How about try to change different way by trying this product.
YOU WILL NEVER LOOK BACK
Me personally looking for better way every day, because there is always a better way :)
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Hi Johnny, Hasti Said "i didn't do any rinsing today." Whats your view on this, do you recommend rinsing or not.? If your product doesnt require rinsing then it takes on a whole new meaning. Im struggling with the whole concept of it making things quicker, speed is determined by technique, and after 10 yrs + in the job, i cant see me changing that technique, its second nature now ,im comfortable working in the way i do, its almost default mode. Also, does adding the vision change the freezing point at all?
Hi nick,
To be honest, I do still tend to rinse. But it is now very quick compared to how I used to rinse.
I am very OCD with my work though. I have tried in the past to not rinse, and actually the results have been very good.
There are a number of users that have mentioned that they now just quickly rinse on the glass with a monofilament brush, and they consistently have great results.
There are always going to be differing views, and I feel that the only way is to try it and see what works for you.
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Hi Johnny, Hasti Said "i didn't do any rinsing today." Whats your view on this, do you recommend rinsing or not.? If your product doesnt require rinsing then it takes on a whole new meaning. Im struggling with the whole concept of it making things quicker, speed is determined by technique, and after 10 yrs + in the job, i cant see me changing that technique, its second nature now ,im comfortable working in the way i do, its almost default mode. Also, does adding the vision change the freezing point at all?
Also yes, it mill make your water less likely to freeze, but it is marginal. You can also add IPA to your water with our additive and it will still work very well.
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Hi Johnny, Hasti Said "i didn't do any rinsing today." Whats your view on this, do you recommend rinsing or not.? If your product doesnt require rinsing then it takes on a whole new meaning. Im struggling with the whole concept of it making things quicker, speed is determined by technique, and after 10 yrs + in the job, i cant see me changing that technique, its second nature now ,im comfortable working in the way i do, its almost default mode. Also, does adding the vision change the freezing point at all?
Hi Nick, i very rarely rinse but i do use a high flow rate, (60psi)...rinsing is over rated :)
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And I'm not taking the pea...
It would be interesting to make a cleaning formula up for wfp
In the early days we did try just adding off the shelf products, like virosol, ecover, degreasers and rinse aids etc, but found it to not work reliably, and in a lot of cases it caused spotting on certain window types.
Until eventually we've come across the holy grail of ingredients, combinations and ratios.
We've gone through the hassle of making this product so you don't have to. :)
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hi Jonny.
my di vessel is after my tank. Still ok to use 'vision' ?
A quick side note to this.........we've had far more people say this to us than we expected, so were really pushing to get our dispenser finished.
The Guys over in Australia are using dispensers on a daily basis to great effect. We just need to iron out a few issues then they should be ready. :)
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hello pure,to answer some questions,
the constant dead ending and re-adjustment,vision contains bigger sizes atoms than pure alone (one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms)so,although it sounds wierd this is what you could find,i use a different type of controller so can only summise that this is whats happening,the oranges?!! its a perfume called citronella used widely in the perfume trade and aromatherapy industries,it covers the smell of the base ingredients which is not pleasant :-[,we like the strong smell as it is calming,you know its present in the water and can over time give an indication if you have overdosed or not with it
Bigger sized atoms makes a difference to a flow controller? ???
Viscosity maybe but not atom size.
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I just wonder how much work these guys will get done in the summer months with swarms of wasps
buzzing around this orange scent.
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+1
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I just wonder how much work these guys will get done in the summer months with swarms of wasps
buzzing around this orange scent.
This summer was one of the best I've ever worked in, and the wasps were not a problem. We've all been using this exact additive for a year now Sean, and even in Australia our other colleague has been using it for the same amount of time. It's been well and truly tried and tested.
I'm tempted to send you a small free sample to try which will hopefully calm your endless search for negatives. :)
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The scent is an artificial musk.
Wasps know the difference, our brains don't.
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Jonny 87.
What about honey badgers. Have you any information on how your product will affect these in the mating season ::)roll
I am sceptical but I will at least buy the product to see what's what.
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I just wonder how much work these guys will get done in the summer months with swarms of wasps
buzzing around this orange scent.
Give it a rest...its getting embarrassing ;D
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What do you think might happen if I put 5ml teaspoon of virosol in a 500 litre tank. Maybe the results might be close be interesting to see.
When I wash up at home tesco expert fairy liquid sheets the glasses and drys clear too.
Lol. I was thinking along exactly the same lines!! Might try it on my in-laws windows and add it to my back-pack ;D I think I'll start off with 1ml.
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Just read Jonny post after, might not try this :D
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I just wonder how much work these guys will get done in the summer months with swarms of wasps
buzzing around this orange scent.
Give it a rest...its getting embarrassing ;D
lol ;D
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I just wonder how much work these guys will get done in the summer months with swarms of wasps
buzzing around this orange scent.
Give it a rest...its getting embarrassing ;D
No it now getting boring it was embarrassing from the start. ;D
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Using it for trad ok?
Hope so lol
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I can see this being the longest topic in cleanitup history 😄
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Ive ordered some but I was thnking, its not likely to be immediately apparent whether its a benefit or not as ive just ordered a couple 10 LPM pumps. Which is going to benefit rinsing as it is.
8)
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I got some to try in the end as for me it's all about cutting through the crap on the glass & plastics quicker as I found out pure don't work that well on it's own on filthy stuff even sometimes when using hot. If the rinsing part is made any easier then will be an added bonus but is not the main reason why I bought some to try. ;D
Ive ordered some but I was thnking, its not likely to be immediately apparent whether its a benefit or not as ive just ordered a couple 10 LPM pumps. Which is going to benefit rinsing as it is.
8)
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Ive ordered some but I was thnking, its not likely to be immediately apparent whether its a benefit or not as ive just ordered a couple 10 LPM pumps. Which is going to benefit rinsing as it is.
8)
At last ;D ;D
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I used it today , I was covered in wasps ;-) in all fairness i liked it
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You know i am wondering jonney, if vision works for carpet cleaning too, from time to time i do some carpet cleaning, and just wondered if put in to pre spray and spray the carpet and clean ? :)
Have you tried it on carpet?
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Using it for trad ok?
Hope so lol
It works well for trad too.
Personally I still yes just a splash of ecover in my trad bucket, and then just a few ml of vision. It gives really good glide and leaves a great shine too. :)
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Hasti
I would only advise Carpet cleaning products for carpet cleaning . I too have a carpet cleaner and I would keep to specialist products .
Hope that helps
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I can see this being the longest topic in cleanitup history 😄
Not even close...
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=55738.0
Vin
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I tried it on a carpet once - got grazes on my knees and elbows - never again!
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I can see this being the longest topic in cleanitup history 😄
Not even close...
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=55738.0
Vin
Anyone fancy telling me what the thread was about in one sentence :D
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Anyone fancy telling me what the thread was about in one sentence :D
The usual CIU tripe.
Vin
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Ordered some. Expecting delay because of massive increase in orders.
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I never told my dad what this stuff does. After two days he said this.
Windows clean quicker.
Effortless in cleaning.
Sills cleans quicker.
All glass seems to rinse the same.
Brush feels lighter.
Early day still but I think we are sold
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Ordered some. Expecting delay because of massive increase in orders.
HI!
When did you place your order? It should arrive within about three working days from the placement of you order. If it hasn't then Drop me an email at
Shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
And let me know your order details, just in case we've overlooked your order!
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I can see this being the longest topic in cleanitup history 😄
Not even close...
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=55738.0
Vin
Ha.
Neither is that.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=156803.0
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Hi Jonny, how do you measure how much to add to tank?
Cheers
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Hi Jonny, how do you measure how much to add to tank?
Cheers
We recommend 1ml to every 100 litres of pure.
So if you have a 500 litre tank then just dose 5 pumps of the bottle directly into the tank.
One pump of the bottle is roughly 1ml.
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Hi Jonny, how do you measure how much to add to tank?
Cheers
It says exactly how to do on the tin ;D ;D
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Hasti
I would only advise Carpet cleaning products for carpet cleaning . I too have a carpet cleaner and I would keep to specialist products .
Hope that helps
Well you never know, thats another avenue any way ;)
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I tried it on a carpet once - got grazes on my knees and elbows - never again!
You specially would, wouldn't you ! ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Jonny, how do you measure how much to add to tank?
Cheers
We recommend 1ml to every 100 litres of pure.
So if you have a 500 litre tank then just dose 5 pumps of the bottle directly into the tank.
One pump of the bottle is roughly 1ml.
Cheers Jonny, just ordered :)
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Hoping to pick up those medicine measuring cups to make it easier
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Hoping to pick up those medicine measuring cups to make it easier
With a bottle of calpol comes a little syringe.
Might be easier?
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Tried it trad today 1 squirt in bucket with usual stuff I am sold on it was brill
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Hoping to pick up those medicine measuring cups to make it easier
With a bottle of calpol comes a little syringe.
Might be easier?
Yeah that would be better actually. As I could fire it into tank. Well played that man
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Most chemists sell a 5ml syringe, only about 20 pence.
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How much in 650 ltrs of water
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6.5 ml
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Looking forward to giving it a go I ordered some last night
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Hi guys - my tank is 650 litres and I put 6 to 7 squirts in
The dispenser of the bottle is approx 1 ml
We advise 1ml per 100 litres
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I was one of the first to try isopropanol back in the day,it's not the same sort of thing is it as I know the effects of that ie the bubbling on the glass etc
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Tried mine today! Using an Xtreme White & blue brush and it kept flying off the glass ;D
It certainly improves glide and definitely leaves windows with a good shine. I liked it. Give me a full week to see if I still think it's the mutts!! Fair do's.
By the way, can I use it in conjunction with Virosol with no problems? Sometimes I use a squirt of Virosol on the brush head if something needs sprucing up.
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Tried mine today! Using an Xtreme White & blue brush and it kept flying off the glass ;D
It certainly improves glide and definitely leaves windows with a good shine. I liked it. Give me a full week to see if I still think it's the mutts!! Fair do's.
By the way, can I use it in conjunction with Virosol with no problems? Sometimes I use a squirt of Virosol on the brush head if something needs sprucing up.
Yeah you definitely can. I do the same and on really heavily soiled first cleans I put a little bit of virosol on the brush head. It seems to work really well vision too.
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
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Hi Jonny, how do you measure how much to add to tank?
Cheers
It says exactly how to do on the tin ;D ;D
Are the instructions on the bottle Hasti?
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
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Tried mine today! Using an Xtreme White & blue brush and it kept flying off the glass ;D
It certainly improves glide and definitely leaves windows with a good shine. I liked it. Give me a full week to see if I still think it's the mutts!! Fair do's.
By the way, can I use it in conjunction with Virosol with no problems? Sometimes I use a squirt of Virosol on the brush head if something needs sprucing up.
Yeah you definitely can. I do the same and on really heavily soiled first cleans I put a little bit of virosol on the brush head. It seems to work really well vision too.
OK Jonny, thanks for the reply.
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I cannot help but feel this is a tall story. As for the larger atoms explanation and adding so little product. The scientific explanation leaves me cold. As time goes by the plot thickens. This reminds me so much of g 101 days. When this story brakes C.U.P. will have more members leaving in hast...........i
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I can't see any product matching g101 for being such a horrendous chemical for cleaning glass or upvc surfaces.
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I'm deadly serious!
All they are doing is adding a surfactant to reduce the surface tension of the water. We're talking about window cleaners here (thick as poope basically) not chemists. What they will have done is try different household surfactants of which detergent is one of them. Quite possibly ecover as it was all the rage a couple of years back. One ml per 100l of pure won't do a lot but it might be enough to break the surface tension a little to improve sheeting but not enough to cause spotting.
Do a Boshravie - rebrand it, stick it in a bottle and flog it to 20,000 more thick as poope window cleaners and Bob's Yer Uncle
;) ;) ;)
My sentiment exactly.amen.
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You very well could be right Mr Willis and if it is the case
they will be found out just like Bosh who was just trying to help people ;D
Just trying to help or help himself to our cash.So many share there experiences for free eg harris pole. Why charge over the top for a rebottled product. I also just want to help the industry. My halo and wings are in the way.
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
Ok Sean.
Thanks for your feedback.
P.s.......how many positive reviews will it take(from people who have actually tried it) for you to think we may actually have created something beneficial? Just curious. :)
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Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
Jonny is going to be getting annoyed with you shortly and emailing you to shut up - dipstick.
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Dumbest , you said it nobody cares what you think , I have been cleaning windows thirty years 14 off those reach and wash I always like to make my life easier . I have used this product and believe me or not I dont care but this product does do a better job and it make you quicker . So if you dont want to try it dont, leave it to other people to decide for them self s if they want to all you are doing is giving negative feedback on a product you have never used >:(
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Dumbest , you said it nobody cares what you think , I have been cleaning windows thirty years 14 off those reach and wash I always like to make my life easier . I have used this product and believe me or not I dont care but this product does do a better job and it make you quicker . So if you dont want to try it dont leave it to other people to decide for them self s if they want to all you are doing is giving negative feedback on a product you have never used >:(
Well you must or you wouldn't have replied to it, I don't need to use a product to understand why it has no value I just need
to know about the job its suppose to improve.
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What if...SeanK was a double bluff?
"I was dead against it....but now..." :D
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
Ok Sean.
Thanks for your feedback.
P.s.......how many positive reviews will it take(from people who have actually tried it) for you to think we may actually have created something beneficial? Just curious. :)
I'm sorry Jonny but that's the problem you haven't created anything beneficial so how can anybody give any positive reviews.
In one review a guy has stated that he's getting less spotting, so in other words he has been cleaning up until now and leaving
spots but still isn't spot free. Does that sound sensible to you ?
One guy has knocked a third of his time just because the brush glides more, does that sound sensible to you ?
Does it restore white UPVC frames that have gone grey ?
Does it remove black streaks on white frames ?
Does it cure the problem of degraded rubber seals ?
Does it remove sticker marks and builders waste ?
Does it reduce spot marks from degraded painted frames ?
Does it stop water leaking from vents ?
Does it stop dirty water leaking from faulty openers ?
Does it make the glass dry quicker ?
Does it save me water ?
Does it keep the glass cleaner longer and so on ?
This is the type of feedback I want to hear about a product not that it has made me more splash and dash than I already am
or that it makes shiny glass shinier.
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What if...SeanK was a double bluff?
"I was dead against it....but now..." :D
That's the problem even if I did buy it now and thought it was the best thing since the wheel, nobody would believe me. ;D
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Don't forget all publicity is good publicity. ;)
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Don't forget all publicity is good publicity. ;)
You should be on commision Sean!! ;D
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Just LOL
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Hi SeanK , one of your points about does it stop water coming out of vents . Vision has never claimed to do this .
Anyway , it's the weekend , a bit of window cleaning for me and then Family time .
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Seank it does make your water lighter tho :D my 500lt tank when full only weighs 250kg instead of 500kg once I've added vision
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
Ok Sean.
Thanks for your feedback.
P.s.......how many positive reviews will it take(from people who have actually tried it) for you to think we may actually have created something beneficial? Just curious. :)
I'm sorry Jonny but that's the problem you haven't created anything beneficial so how can anybody give any positive reviews.
In one review a guy has stated that he's getting less spotting, so in other words he has been cleaning up until now and leaving
spots but still isn't spot free. Does that sound sensible to you ?
One guy has knocked a third of his time just because the brush glides more, does that sound sensible to you ?
Does it restore white UPVC frames that have gone grey ?
Does it remove black streaks on white frames ?
Does it cure the problem of degraded rubber seals ?
Does it remove sticker marks and builders waste ?
Does it reduce spot marks from degraded painted frames ?
Does it stop water leaking from vents ?
Does it stop dirty water leaking from faulty openers ?
Does it make the glass dry quicker ?
Does it save me water ?
Does it keep the glass cleaner longer and so on ?
This is the type of feedback I want to hear about a product not that it has made me more splash and dash than I already am
or that it makes shiny glass shinier.
To be honest Sean, even if you really liked vision in the end I very much doubt your humble enough to admit it. :)
Out of those things you just listed above myself and many other testers/customers have mentioned atleast 5 of them. I will let other people review and comment though as it means nothing coming from me. Anyway, I'm done going back an forth with you. Hope you have a great weekend! :)
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You know what jonny
You should band selling to those who have been putting silly negative comments on here ;)
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How's he going to do that then super-sonic?
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;D ;D
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Just read through every post on it in one go. Didn't realise what it was before.
Some comments are unreal. It doesn't matter if its dogs wee mixed with camel sperm. DOES IT WORK!!! All ingredient's are out there, but finding what works is the magic . All this about DATA sheets. Can I drink it. NO. Will it melt my tank NO. End of
What I want to know is.
HOW MUCH?
DOES IT WORK
;D
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Just read through every post on it in one go. Didn't realise what it was before.
Some comments are unreal. It doesn't matter if its dogs wee mixed with camel sperm. DOES IT WORK!!! All ingredient's are out there, but finding what works is the magic . All this about DATA sheets. Can I drink it. NO. Will it melt my tank NO. End of
What I want to know is.
HOW MUCH?
DOES IT WORK
;D
Yes you'll quickly learn that a large percentage of people on here will criticise till they fall asleep. It's that generation that love to moan, love to criticise and love to pull anything they can down!
The product doesn't interest me, but good on them for trying and creating a new product. All the best to them, they've had so much unnecessary stick over it, leave them alone and if you don't like the product people, then don't buy it? Is it that hard? Love the way people always feel the need to tear down others ventures! 17 pages on a new product? And most of it is arguing and belittling the product, if you done like it, don't worry! Just don't buy it!
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
Ok Sean.
Thanks for your feedback.
P.s.......how many positive reviews will it take(from people who have actually tried it) for you to think we may actually have created something beneficial? Just curious. :)
I'm sorry Jonny but that's the problem you haven't created anything beneficial so how can anybody give any positive reviews.
In one review a guy has stated that he's getting less spotting, so in other words he has been cleaning up until now and leaving
spots but still isn't spot free. Does that sound sensible to you ?
One guy has knocked a third of his time just because the brush glides more, does that sound sensible to you ?
Does it restore white UPVC frames that have gone grey ?
Does it remove black streaks on white frames ?
Does it cure the problem of degraded rubber seals ?
Does it remove sticker marks and builders waste ?
Does it reduce spot marks from degraded painted frames ?
Does it stop water leaking from vents ?
Does it stop dirty water leaking from faulty openers ?
Does it make the glass dry quicker ?
Does it save me water ?
Does it keep the glass cleaner longer and so on ?
This is the type of feedback I want to hear about a product not that it has made me more splash and dash than I already am
or that it makes shiny glass shinier.
To be honest Sean, even if you really liked vision in the end I very much doubt your humble enough to admit it. :)
Out of those things you just listed above myself and many other testers/customers have mentioned atleast 5 of them. I will let other people review and comment though as it means nothing coming from me. Anyway, I'm done going back an forth with you. Hope you have a great weekend! :)
Fair enough Jonny what are the 5 things on my list that it does, because if it does 5 of the above by just adding it to my tank I will order a bottle within the hour.
And you will get an honest review plus a full apology if needs be.
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There are some right r ciz on here. Try it then post about it being rubbish if you find that. Any other action is just plain idiotic. You might not believe it will work but you can`t TELL others it`s going to be rubbish.
Rant over, now question.
Ninety percent of my customers are done every eight weeks because the windows don`t get dirty. Not a problem as I have a bigger customer base to sell other services to. However as the product has surfactant in it will the length of time they remain clean decrease and if so would eight weeks still be doable. It is a big advantage and I wouldn`t like to lose that advantage.
P.S. I`m not thick, I`ll have you all know I went to Oxford. For four years. Then the bus company sacked me ;D
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Lol ;D
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Hi SeanK , maybe if you tried the product then you could give a honest review . Even if it's negative or positive it would be more meaningful .
It's good to be curious and careful when buying and trying new products .
It's as simple as that . Just try it and then say what you think .
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Just read through every post on it in one go. Didn't realise what it was before.
Some comments are unreal. It doesn't matter if its dogs wee mixed with camel sperm. DOES IT WORK!!! All ingredient's are out there, but finding what works is the magic . All this about DATA sheets. Can I drink it. NO. Will it melt my tank NO. End of
What I want to know is.
HOW MUCH?
DOES IT WORK
;D
Yes you'll quickly learn that a large percentage of people on here will criticise till they fall asleep. It's that generation that love to moan, love to criticise and love to pull anything they can down!
The product doesn't interest me, but good on them for trying and creating a new product. All the best to them, they've had so much unnecessary stick over it, leave them alone and if you don't like the product people, then don't buy it? Is it that hard? Love the way people always feel the need to tear down others ventures! 17 pages on a new product? And most of it is arguing and belittling the product, if you done like it, don't worry! Just don't buy it!
I second that jakey, but at the end of the day its a fantastic publicity for jonny and his team :)
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Thanks for that ;D
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Jonny
I was right when i said (NEXT YEAR THIS TIME YOU BE A MILLIONAIRE ) ;)
Who knows today U.K. tomorrow U.S., Canada, Middle east, and even India ;D
Haha,
We've all put quite a chunk of money In To get this off the ground, so just getting our money back will be enough for me. I'm quite sad really that I like window cleaning. :)
Jonny
You not only get back your money plus thousands of times back, well done mate. :)
How will he ? he has invented a product that doesn't do or fix anything, do you really have that little faith in the intelligence
of window cleaners.
I'm one of the dumbest on here and even I haven't fallen for it.
That's why all the feedback so far sounds so phoney, its hard to say something positive and sensible about a product that doesn't
do anything.
The best thing that has been said about it so far is that the brush glides better on the glass, idea get a lighter brush have faith in it and stop using a brick, I want something to give my Xtreme less glide.
As for shinier glass well as Iv never come across glass that doesn't shine so there's not much to be said on that one.
Ok Sean.
Thanks for your feedback.
P.s.......how many positive reviews will it take(from people who have actually tried it) for you to think we may actually have created something beneficial? Just curious. :)
I'm sorry Jonny but that's the problem you haven't created anything beneficial so how can anybody give any positive reviews.
In one review a guy has stated that he's getting less spotting, so in other words he has been cleaning up until now and leaving
spots but still isn't spot free. Does that sound sensible to you ?
One guy has knocked a third of his time just because the brush glides more, does that sound sensible to you ?
Does it restore white UPVC frames that have gone grey ?
Does it remove black streaks on white frames ?
Does it cure the problem of degraded rubber seals ?
Does it remove sticker marks and builders waste ?
Does it reduce spot marks from degraded painted frames ?
Does it stop water leaking from vents ?
Does it stop dirty water leaking from faulty openers ?
Does it make the glass dry quicker ?
Does it save me water ?
Does it keep the glass cleaner longer and so on ?
This is the type of feedback I want to hear about a product not that it has made me more splash and dash than I already am
or that it makes shiny glass shinier.
To be honest Sean, even if you really liked vision in the end I very much doubt your humble enough to admit it. :)
Out of those things you just listed above myself and many other testers/customers have mentioned atleast 5 of them. I will let other people review and comment though as it means nothing coming from me. Anyway, I'm done going back an forth with you. Hope you have a great weekend! :)
Fair enough Jonny what are the 5 things on my list that it does, because if it does 5 of the above by just adding it to my tank I will order a bottle within the hour.
And you will get an honest review plus a full apology if needs be.
If you search other forums you will see those bullet points being highlighted.
Vision isn't a be all and end all, pure water works on its own, but this speeds things up, and also reduces difficult and troublesome windows, like those with degraded seals as it seems to prevent them from dripping down after a few cleans, also it seems to seal the black dirty seals so that the tiger stripes on frames don't appear as much.people are taking less water to rinse a window now so it saves them water, also ones are saying it does dry quicker, and stays a little bit cleaner so that the next visit is easier.
Again, I would just hang fire, and im sure some of those points will be highlighted on here from people who have actually bought it. We only launched less than 7 days ago.
For some reason those on CIU seem to prefer to email me to say how much they are enjoying it. Vision must not be for the cool kids on this site. :)
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Aaaah peace n quiet at last ;D
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Probably because it's past their bed time ;D
Aaaah peace n quiet at last ;D
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Lol ;D better get to bed refresh for tomorrow's round then lol
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so .............................. does it work ?
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Does what work ?
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Does what work ?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;Dlol does for me only you can say for yourself if it works , what you got to lose its only gonna cost you twenty quid if your not happy dont use it again and give me the rest off it for free lol ;D
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Out today and getting the hang of it.
Did a 4 bed house with conny today in 23 mins, usually takes 40 mins.
The house is surrounded by trees and usually gets one or two bird strikes in the 8 weekly period.
Shaved off 17mins!
Not because of rinsing, its just ate the dirt on the conny? Is that part of this product?
upvc sills were dead easy to clean.
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Cleaned an 8 weekly house that had skipped a clean. So 16 weeks between cleans. Windows were bad on the front. Cleaned them with very little effort. I did notice whilst cleaning, tiny spider web spots were being shifted. Usually they get left behind. Found two bee pollen spots as well. It shifted one in one pass the other took some effort.
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Got mine today. Testing tomorrow.
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definitely speeds you up water seems to run quicker off the windows when rinsing.
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yeah used mine today managed to get all of the next 3 weeks worth of cleans done today, so now i can have the rest of the month off ::)roll ;D
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Just been out to fill up and i dont even need to. I think i have saved between a 100 - 200 L !
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Brilliant stuff then - you can all take Fridays off now due to a 25% increase in cleaning speed ;D
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Glad to hear .
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I used it all day to day it's brilliant. My pole felt stiffer and lighter, and my van felt like it had more power and better economy. Great stuff ;D
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My pole felt stiffer this morning too (must have slept funny).
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I thought this could do with a bump! "BUMP"!
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I used it all day to day it's brilliant. My pole felt stiffer and lighter, and my van felt like it had more power and better economy. Great stuff ;D
Mine arrived at the first house before Id left home.
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Mine arrived yesterday and I'm still looking at the tiny bottle in front of me thinking wtf I paid good money for that ;D
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I didn't need to fill up with water for today's work.
So haven't added any water or vision.
Today it's clear to see the brush doesn't glide as well and a distinct decrease in bubbles. Guessing lack of bubbles is lack of product.
Can't add any more as the bottle is on another van ::)roll
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Mine arrived yesterday and I'm still looking at the tiny bottle in front of me thinking wtf I paid good money for that ;D
Size isn't everything Alan.
You of all people should know that. ;D ;D ;D
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true ;D
Mine arrived yesterday and I'm still looking at the tiny bottle in front of me thinking wtf I paid good money for that ;D
Size isn't everything Alan.
You of all people should know that. ;D ;D ;D
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I must have a dodgy bottle as when I went to dose the tank just now the plunger would not plunge with it turned to the open position. I was prating about to get it to work over the kitchen sink but the plunger is defo fooked as is now jamming and will not turn back to the locked position. I did manage to dose me tank though after wasting quite a bit trying to get it to work but that has annoyed the hell out of me so all in all not a great experence for me to start with. ::)roll
Anyone else has had this issue?
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Used it today, I had a little trouble with the plunger as well but overcame it with brute force, it now squirts in any position. Put dose into barrel then filled with water, that was a mistake, consequently I think the dose was a little lower than it should have been.
I did notice the brush seemed quicker across the glass. On a top window there was a large and quite old bird mess that the owner said had been there for weeks maybe months, sheltered window. I whizzed round as was in a hurry this morning. Forgot about the mess so went back to find it was perfect. Luck, not as bad as I thought, well I`ve never had it clean as easy as that. One of the windows is very phobic, now the water didn`t sheet all the way down the window but the area that it sheets is plenty for you to know it`s been rinsed properly.
One bug bear was the bubbles, I kept thinking they were particles on the glass. Wasted time with that but that`s me. Not as brilliant as I hoped but the dosing was wrong I`m sure. To sum up the rinsing is worth it on it`s own so I will be buying again.
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Glad I'm not the only one then with a dodgy plunger.
I will give it a go tomorrow as have dosed me tank as read somewhere it it best to leave it overnight to mix properly in the tank. Is that right?
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Glad I'm not the only one then with a dodgy plunger.
I will give it a go tomorrow as have dosed me tank as read somewhere it it best to leave it overnight to mix properly in the tank. Is that right?
yes it expands overnight giving you an extra 100 litres.
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Jonny.
I have some adapters for various poles, add on's etc.
I was "thinking" whilst driving to work i could switch one pump on and have it mixing while going to work. I noticed today i got very little bubbles at the start of the day. By the end of the day i got loads. That makes me think the product is sitting at the bottom of tank if thats possible?
So with my idea, i was thinking during breaks and on the way too work, i could mix the water.
Basically gets pumped out of tank via hose reel into fill port.....
Thoughts............
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The bottles are all tested by myself before I package up .
Shouldn't be a problem .
Maybe try unscrewing the bottle and then maybe cut a little bit of the length of the plastic tubing off .
I've bottled up a very lot and had no problems .
So maybe try that , but strange as I do test them all .
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Jonny.
I have some adapters for various poles, add on's etc.
I was "thinking" whilst driving to work i could switch one pump on and have it mixing while going to work. I noticed today i got very little bubbles at the start of the day. By the end of the day i got loads. That makes me think the product is sitting at the bottom of tank if thats possible?
So with my idea, i was thinking during breaks and on the way too work, i could mix the water.
Basically gets pumped out of tank via hose reel into fill port.....
Thoughts............
That would definitely ensure it was thoroughly mixed.
I'm not sure how your set up is, but something I do that makes it mix really easily, is I have a shaker cup (one you get to mix protein shekee etc) and I half fill it with pure water, then dose into that. Give it a good shake and then pour into the tank.
I also wonder what the inside of a grippa tank looks like? Does it mayb have pockets that make it harder for vision to mix through thoroughly?
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Anyone else has had this issue?
Yup, had to play about with it to get it to work, eventually did.
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So the plunger is a quality issue then it seems
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The technique Jonny previously stated is very good .
* shake vision bottle
• add put water to a protein shaker bottle and then add the desired Vision dosage .
Give a good shake then Add to your tank .
Just a option and alternative filling technique
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So the plunger is a quality issue then it seems
The plunger has been working well on the vast majority of Vision bottles .
It appears just a select 2 or 3 persons have had issues with it.
Had no phone calls or emails myself about this issue ..
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Probably because its not really something you're likely to make a phone call about 'Hello is that Kempy, my plunger dont work mate, whatcha gonna do 'bout it?'.
My plunger didnt work, can i have a free bottle of Vision please as I didnt moan about my plunger being defective? I eventually was able to dispense the required dose by syringing the correct dose form the bottle with one of my fish-keeping water quality testing kit syringes.
I think that deserves a free bottle as I have now had to dispense with that syringe as its contaminated with Vision and cant be used for water testing purposes anymore.
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If anyone has any issues just drop us an email and we will send out replacement tops for the bottle.
Many users prefer different methods to accurately dose the correct amounts, as 1 pump = 1ml is only a rough guide.
We will happily send out a new pump dispenser if yours isn't working properly though.
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;D good try
Probably because its not really something you're likely to make a phone call about 'Hello is that Kempy, my plunger dont work mate, whatcha gonna do 'bout it?'.
My plunger didnt work, can i have a free bottle of Vision please as I didnt moan about my plunger being defective? I eventually was able to dispense the required dose by syringing the correct dose form the bottle with one of my fish-keeping water quality testing kit syringes.
I think that deserves a free bottle as I have now had to dispense with that syringe as its contaminated with Vision and cant be used for water testing purposes anymore.
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That's the idea with the Grippa system lol. Lack of sloshing etc.
I don't think its mixing as it should.
Sooo
Gonna have a play with my idea :)
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It is no great issue for me but just wanted to point it out the plunger problem.
If you want to send another top out then then far play. You know my deatail already if not send me a pm ;)
If anyone has any issues just drop us an email and we will send out replacement tops for the bottle.
Many users prefer different methods to accurately dose the correct amounts, as 1 pump = 1ml is only a rough guide.
We will happily send out a new pump dispenser if yours isn't working properly though.
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Probably because its not really something you're likely to make a phone call about 'Hello is that Kempy, my plunger dont work mate, whatcha gonna do 'bout it?'.
My plunger didnt work, can i have a free bottle of Vision please as I didnt moan about my plunger being defective? I eventually was able to dispense the required dose by syringing the correct dose form the bottle with one of my fish-keeping water quality testing kit syringes.
I think that deserves a free bottle as I have now had to dispense with that syringe as its contaminated with Vision and cant be used for water testing purposes anymore.
We will happily send you out a new dispenser if you drop me an email with your details.
Will have it to you in the next working day.
Couldn't really give you a free bottle though. Would be like Alex sending you a new pole because you had a faulty clamp. ;D
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any kind of baffle tanks used i would have thought it wont get mixed properly.
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Alex is always sending me new poles, the clamps are always falling off. He's one of the good guys you know ;)
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any kind of baffle tanks used i would have thought it wont get mixed properly.
Honeycombe baffling works differently. No sloshing. But would mix well.
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My plunger was hard to get going but I always have a problem with these type of plungers going to buy a metal soap dispenser bottle from Tesco as worry the bottle might get dropped and split
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any kind of baffle tanks used i would have thought it wont get mixed properly.
Smurf - my Tank is baffled and it's mixed very well for the last 2 years.
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Depends on baffling. A wydale tank is not classed as baffled.
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My plunger was initially stuck too, lost a full squirt trying to get it going. I now have a tiny patch of very shiney hydrophillic driveway!
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Depends on baffling. A wydale tank is not classed as baffled.
Can you qualify that statement please?
Who "classes" what is or isn't baffled (apart from me by your statement)
Can you substantiate your comment that a Wydale tank is not classed as baffled?
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Baffles in wydale tanks are there to stop the tank from basically splitting apart.
When I ordered my new 400 upright tank I had discussion with the chap on the phone. They are not designed to go in cars or vans. They are designed for use on farms and the like.
Some of there tanks have slots. Not for baffles. But for storage.
When I asked why they are being sold as window cleaning tanks. He said that's not there doing.
His words. Not mine. Just repeated.
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Baffles in wydale tanks are there to stop the tank from basically splitting apart.
When I ordered my new 400 upright tank I had discussion with the chap on the phone. They are not designed to go in cars or vans. They are designed for use on farms and the like.
Some of there tanks have slots. Not for baffles. But for storage.
When I asked why they are being sold as window cleaning tanks. He said that's not there doing.
His words. Not mine. Just repeated.
You could be right too, no where on Wydale's site does it mention the tanks are baffled!! They are sold to us as baffled though. ???
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The shape of the moulding is to give it strength. They class it as a baffled tank. When I said it was going into a van he sounded shocked. The guy was a bit weird tho to say the least lol
These tanks are mainly used for ATV's and for trailers/tractors etc. Not for vans doing 70mph.
Let's no drift too far away from this thread tho lmao.
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Those wyvale tanks are not baffled at all,you need a tank with same design as fire engines www.plasticwatertanks.co.uk. His name is Neil and they are bespoke,what that bloke dosent know about safe mobile water tanks ain't worth knowing,talk to him it's a real eye opener as to what death traps some company's are selling he makes tanks so the water is as safe as it can be in transit. Not cheap but it'll save your van rolling over when joining the motorway from a slip road lol and he can make it any shape you want
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Yes my thoughts exactly. Either a crash test system or a custom job.
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So are you saying that the bottles that Vision come in should be baffled but aren't?
Thats disgraceful.
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The difference it made to me was incredible when I took out my wyvale and put this tank in the same frame in its place,the van felt so unsafe before and at traffic lights you'd pull up and rock till they changed to green. The grippatanks still leak aswell I've seen a couple of them in vans and the kids still leak,they look veryuch just like a big standard wyvale only in black which takes the emphasis off of the quality of them. My tank water in let is just big enough for transfer nossle and is completely leak free
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I've read every post on this thread tonight. Can anyone put in laymans terms what the product is supposed to do?
I know it moves quicker across the glass, so is it designed to increase productivity?
The words hydrophilic and hydrophobic are being used, sometimes out of context. Which is the product supposed to be and why?
Will it keeps windows cleaner, longer?
Thank you! :)
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For solar panel cleaning it's a no brainier. Buy some :)
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I've read every post on this thread tonight. Can anyone put in laymans terms what the product is supposed to do?
I know it moves quicker across the glass, so is it designed to increase productivity?
The words hydrophilic and hydrophobic are being used, sometimes out of context. Which is the product supposed to be and why?
Will it keeps windows cleaner, longer?
Thank you! :)
I have found that it makes the brush glide better on the glass and produces bubbles but that is about it.
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If I had to guess what was in it polish I reckon would be close it definitely cleans plastic a lot easier it Willakwnthe overall job quicker IMO
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I've had a few more days with it now.
I've been going to a village in my area for some time now and usually dread the winter months coz cleaning the sills is usually a right pita!!! The coal fire brigade are burning in force and leaves awful scummy black residue all over 'em. However, using this Vision stuff, couple of swipes and job done, I was pleasantly surprised. It usually requires some serious elbow grease.
The upvc is cleaning up quickly too.
I'm not particularly the fastest on the glass, like some who can do a 4 bedder in 10mins, but I'm definitely quicker. So maybe, if you're quick on the glass anyway, you might not see much improvement in that regard.
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I think this is going to carry on to the 25th page and BEYOND ;D And that would be the record.
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If I had to guess what was in it polish I reckon would be close it definitely cleans plastic a lot easier it Willakwnthe overall job quicker IMO
That's the second unintelligible reply from you. Are you on a phone or something?
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After a full day on the glass with this gear I have to say if you think this stuff speeds you up what were you doing before to make things so slow?
I'm with Lee atm on this, bubbles - yes, a bit more glide - yes. Anything else? Nope.
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I'm not expecting a magic solution but as long as it dosen't loose me work using the stuff and makes my job a bit easier to warrent the added cost then that is all that matters to me.
Only time will tell if it's any good or not for me I suppose as I've dosed the tank tonight but not had a chance to try it out yet.
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If I had to guess what was in it polish I reckon would be close it definitely cleans plastic a lot easier it Willakwnthe overall job quicker IMO
That's the second unintelligible reply from you. Are you on a phone or something?
;D was trying to work out what it meant.
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The guys have now been using it a couple of days, all have said it bubbles which is a bit off putting to start, however they have noticed that the brush glides better over the glass today we are doing a property that is prone to spotting, so I'm really eager to see how this one goes.
Not pressed them to hard as I want honest feedback
Darran
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The difference it made to me was incredible when I took out my wyvale and put this tank in the same frame in its place,the van felt so unsafe before and at traffic lights you'd pull up and rock till they changed to green. The grippatanks still leak aswell I've seen a couple of them in vans and the kids still leak,they look veryuch just like a big standard wyvale only in black which takes the emphasis off of the quality of them. My tank water in let is just big enough for transfer nossle and is completely leak free
Which tank did you put in?
I hav e a secondhand grippa 650 crash tested tank and frame that i purchased form alex gardiner , this is the tank they used to develop the grip crash tested tanks.
It is batter with gouges in the bottom that have gone half way into the plastic and it does not leak .
The lid is a decent size and has never leaked , it use a similar design closer to a submarine hatch .
mine didn't have the honeycomb baffles but they retrofitted them to the tank through the hatch and it acts like a solid load .
So in what way is it just a wyedale tank but black ?
its a completely different design and is unique .
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Depends on baffling. A wydale tank is not classed as baffled.
They are classed as baffled on the Wydale website, the sell non baffled tanks for water storage
http://www.wydaleproducts.co.uk/products/prod/21/250BaffledUprightTank
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My 850 system doesn't leak. Can't feel it in the van.
The lids do leak if not done up correctly. ::)roll
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Used it today , few bubbles ,smell ok , brush glides other than that not noticed anything else ???
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The lid is pretty easy to do up though !
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so basically up to now a few people haven't really noticed any difference really except for bubbles and brush gliding a bit easier (which if it means the bristles aren't touching/scrubbing the glass as much may not be a good thing) and 1 person claims it has knocked off 17 mins off a 40 min job and gets rid of the dirt nearly twice as fast...more confused then ever ???
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Depends on baffling. A wydale tank is not classed as baffled.
They are classed as baffled on the Wydale website, the sell non baffled tanks for water storage
http://www.wydaleproducts.co.uk/products/prod/21/250BaffledUprightTank
Well spotted Lee. ;)
Have to say, if a tank leaks in any way it's down to the installer not the tank. It's very simple to make water tight fixtures. Albeit Wydale tank lids are not great but two rolls of PTFE tape soon sorts that & if you fit a £7 Torbeck float valve there is no need to ever take the lid back off. ;)
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I have just washed ,my hair with vision and its amazing I now have more hair .........growing ..............out ........of ......my fingers. And all my teen age acne has also just disappeared. The wife is using it on the roast its made it more crispy. I will be using it in my vans fuel soon.
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It's 25% quicker - I can now have one week off every five weeks. Happy Days 8) 8)
believe that and you'll believe anything.
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Been out today and it rips though dirt on sills and glass. Shine is amazing.
55 min house down to just over 30 mins.
Loving it.
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Dave Willis
It doesn't say on our website 25% quicker . Majority of persons who have USED vision have managed to clean more efficiently .
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Been out today and it rips though dirt on sills and glass. Shine is amazing.
55 min house down to just over 30 mins.
Loving it.
Good to hear , so after a few days of using it now you are starting to adapt and improve your dosing .
Most importantly seeing better results .
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If it a placebo. I am more than willing to pay for the placebo.
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Just put 3 and a half pumps of vision into my 350 tank what was empty then filled it up so it could all mix properly.
tds has rose from 3ppm to 9ppm.
tested it on windows at my house, brush seems to glide better and brings up the upvc frames and sills better, smells nice, just waiting for windows to dry to see if it drys clean.
not to happy about the rise in ppm.
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Dave Willis
It doesn't say on our website 25% quicker . Majority of persons who have USED vision have managed to clean more efficiently .
You're right it doesn't.
It's doing exactly what it's supposed to for most.
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Just put 3 and a half pumps of vision into my 350 tank what was empty then filled it up so it could all mix properly.
tds has rose from 3ppm to 9ppm.
tested it on windows at my house, brush seems to glide better and brings up the upvc frames and sills better, smells nice, just waiting for windows to dry to see if it drys clean.
not to happy about the rise in ppm.
Hi jack,
The TDS should not be effected at all with the correct ratio. My guess is that for some reason it hasn't mixed properly in your tank. The best way is to test your TDS from the brush head and that gives a more accurate reading than from the tank.
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Used it today again and I really think the benefits are worth it, It`s not a miracle product but very good indeed.
Also the Leaf is wrapped in pink vinyl and vinyl graphics. Cleaned it with the brushes and pure with vision. Believe it or not it does look as though it`s been polished, not a deep rich professional valeter quality but a nice sheen. Just hope it doesn`t melt the vinyl overnight :o
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Jonny all sorted now, i was testing using a contaminated bucket. TDS Back to normal! ;D
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Could we have one or two serious feedback please?
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Could we have one or two serious feedback please?
I have ???
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Could we have one or two serious feedback please?
I have ???
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Could we have one or two serious feedback please?
I have ???
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He said one or two...i think 3 lots serious feedback sent hime bonkers so needs it cutting down...
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
but then you should be looking on how to better your technique instead of adding stuff to the water costing more (when i say you i do mean you personally) what would be an idea tho is when you next clean the house that you knocked 17 mins off is to clean it the in the same time but without the vision and see if the results are as good.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
but then you should be looking on how to better your technique instead of adding stuff to the water costing more (when i say you i do mean you personally) what would be an idea tho is when you next clean the house that you knocked 17 mins off is to clean it the in the same time but without the vision and see if the results are as good.
The house has always taken 40mins. The sills and conny are a nightmare. With vision. It shifted the stains and dirt in seconds. I am not the only one to mention how quick it cleans off marks and stains.
For the piddly amount vision costs I am more than happy to wack it in daily. I am already making a dispensing system before it goes into tank.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I have been using it for 3 days and I haven't noticed any difference in speed. I work fast anyway and achieve perfect results.
Like you have mentioned, I feel that because we are told it will speed us up better rinsing people are working faster because of the added confidence vision gives them, but in reality they could work that fast with just pure water.
As for glass finding quicker, I personally think the because you can see the bubbles running down the glass it give the illusion of rinsing faster when I have not found it to make any difference.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I didnt find it particularly effective today, I didnt even notice any bubbles to speak of. Then again I wasnt able to focus on any glass as I was working too fast to be able to reset my eyesight, you'll see why if you read this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191721.0
;D
Time saved as stated by some is exaggerated IMO.
A new brush makes you wonder how did you ever manage before but its just the same brush you had before just its new. A change is as good as a rest so they say ;)
Unless someone comes up with definitive evidence of the benefits then I'm out. Not knocking it - just cant see the benefits myself. There are various claims made on the website, now thats all these are claims - opinions - theyre not evidence, theyre not fact, theyre not provable, they're simply an indivduals perspective. That of the people selling it. Which has to be biased.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I didnt find it particularly effective today, I didnt even notice any bubbles to speak of. Then again I wasnt able to focus on any glass as I was working too fast to be able to reset my eyesight, you'll see why if you read this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191721.0
;D
Time saved as stated by some is exaggerated IMO.
A new brush makes you wonder how did you ever manage before but its just the same brush you had before just its new. A change is as good as a rest so they say ;)
mmmmm interesting..how much extra water do you reckon you use a day.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
but then you should be looking on how to better your technique instead of adding stuff to the water costing more (when i say you i do mean you personally) what would be an idea tho is when you next clean the house that you knocked 17 mins off is to clean it the in the same time but without the vision and see if the results are as good.
The house has always taken 40mins. The sills and conny are a nightmare. With vision. It shifted the stains and dirt in seconds. I am not the only one to mention how quick it cleans off marks and stains.
For the piddly amount vision costs I am more than happy to wack it in daily. I am already making a dispensing system before it goes into tank.
sorry pure h2o it was meant to say i DONT mean you personally :).
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I didnt find it particularly effective today, I didnt even notice any bubbles to speak of. Then again I wasnt able to focus on any glass as I was working too fast to be able to reset my eyesight, you'll see why if you read this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191721.0
;D
Time saved as stated by some is exaggerated IMO.
A new brush makes you wonder how did you ever manage before but its just the same brush you had before just its new. A change is as good as a rest so they say ;)
Unless someone comes up with definitive evidence of the benefits then I'm out. Not knocking it - just cant see the benefits myself. There are various claims made on the website, now thats all these are claims - opinions - theyre not evidence, theyre not fact, theyre not provable, they're simply an indivduals perspective. That of the people selling it. Which has to be biased.
No the houses were timed all day by myself. That's how I know.
IF I am slow at wfp and this product makes me the same speed as the 500£ a day heroes then bring it on.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I have been using it for 3 days and I haven't noticed any difference in speed. I work fast anyway and achieve perfect results.
Like you have mentioned, I feel that because we are told it will speed us up better rinsing people are working faster because of the added confidence vision gives them, but in reality they could work that fast with just pure water.
As for glass finding quicker, I personally think the because you can see the bubbles running down the glass it give the illusion of rinsing faster when I have not found it to make any difference.
yeah i'm pretty much the same i like to work with a high flow rate i believe a lot higher flow rate can speed you up quite a bit
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
but then you should be looking on how to better your technique instead of adding stuff to the water costing more (when i say you i do mean you personally) what would be an idea tho is when you next clean the house that you knocked 17 mins off is to clean it the in the same time but without the vision and see if the results are as good.
The house has always taken 40mins. The sills and conny are a nightmare. With vision. It shifted the stains and dirt in seconds. I am not the only one to mention how quick it cleans off marks and stains.
For the piddly amount vision costs I am more than happy to wack it in daily. I am already making a dispensing system before it goes into tank.
sorry pure h2o it was meant to say i DONT mean you personally :).
No worries. Doesn't matter if you did. I know I clean too much. But I also earn a very good living from this game.
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker with just using pure so really more of a placebo effect.
You could very well be on to something there. However. Time saved is time saved.
but then you should be looking on how to better your technique instead of adding stuff to the water costing more (when i say you i do mean you personally) what would be an idea tho is when you next clean the house that you knocked 17 mins off is to clean it the in the same time but without the vision and see if the results are as good.
The house has always taken 40mins. The sills and conny are a nightmare. With vision. It shifted the stains and dirt in seconds. I am not the only one to mention how quick it cleans off marks and stains.
For the piddly amount vision costs I am more than happy to wack it in daily. I am already making a dispensing system before it goes into tank.
sorry pure h2o it was meant to say i DONT mean you personally :).
No worries. Doesn't matter if you did. I know I clean too much. But I also earn a very good living from this game.
Yeah, each to there own mate if it works for you that's all that matters.
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You should be earning a £1 per ltr of water used so £20 shouldn't break the bank should it
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I have been using it for 3 days and I haven't noticed any difference in speed. I work fast anyway and achieve perfect results.
Like you have mentioned, I feel that because we are told it will speed us up better rinsing people are working faster because of the added confidence vision gives them, but in reality they could work that fast with just pure water.
As for glass finding quicker, I personally think the because you can see the bubbles running down the glass it give the illusion of rinsing faster when I have not found it to make any difference.
yeah i'm pretty much the same i like to work with a high flow rate i believe a lot higher flow rate can speed you up quite a bit
On monthly maintenance cleans a higher flow rate should make no
difference at all on barely marked glass with regards to your speed
maybe you should concentrate on getting confidence in your technique
rather than wasting water ;D
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I have been on an area today been cleaning same area for over twenty years normaly a day and half it takes I completed it in one day , some guys will see the difference some guys wont who cares all that matters is the guys that see a difference if your happy then so what who cares what anyone thinks this threads getting a bit boring now . For the guys that think it wont make a difference dont buy it nobodys forcing you .
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i dont no y the guys who dont like it keep posting on this fred lol if u dont like it fair play but stop banging on about it ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lee & Matt have you found it any different today or just the same ? i simply dont believe it knocks as much time off as stated by some i put that down to not having the confidence in doing it quicker in the first place with just using pure water on its own.... so really more of a placebo effect.
I have been using it for 3 days and I haven't noticed any difference in speed. I work fast anyway and achieve perfect results.
Like you have mentioned, I feel that because we are told it will speed us up better rinsing people are working faster because of the added confidence vision gives them, but in reality they could work that fast with just pure water.
As for glass finding quicker, I personally think the because you can see the bubbles running down the glass it give the illusion of rinsing faster when I have not found it to make any difference.
yeah i'm pretty much the same i like to work with a high flow rate i believe a lot higher flow rate can speed you up quite a bit
On monthly maintenance cleans a higher flow rate should make no
difference at all on barely marked glass with regards to your speed
maybe you should concentrate on getting confidence in your technique
rather than wasting water ;D
OK but its a bit hard improve on perfection ;D
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I'm very interested in this product and if it can improve productivity, everyone should be buying it. I didn't get an answer from Kempy or anyone who makes the product about the exact aim of it. What is the USP?
Also, have any tests been done on a microscopic level regarding the interaction between pure water with this product and pure water alone? Science sells. HOW exactly does it glide quicker, if it actually does? I don't want the formula, but I do want the science.
Does it fill in the microscopic blemishes in smooth glass?
Does it change the chemical viscosity of the water?
I need to know before I go using this on solar panels especially, but I want to know for my other business too.
If it cuts through grime, should we be using this to aid the pressure washing side of our businesses?
I have so many questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Email me if you don't want it on the forum. I of all people would understand why.
Fan choo! :)
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Sorry, just one more thing that popped into my head.
Why have you developed a hydrophilic product when hundreds of thousands of pounds, millions globally is being spent developing hydrophobic glass coatings? Surely the latter would be a better application in the window cleaning world?
Plus, surely the only reason that the brush glides easier is not because of the volume of water an individual uses, but because MORE of the SAME volume is sticking to the glass which in turn creates the increased 'glide' effect?!
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
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You should be earning a £1 per ltr of water used so £20 shouldn't break the bank should it
Here we go again!! ::)roll
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i dont no y the guys who dont like it keep posting on this fred lol if u dont like it fair play but stop banging on about it ;D
Who's this "Fred" geezer you keep referring to?
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
you tried it yet
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i dont no y the guys who dont like it keep posting on this fred lol if u dont like it fair play but stop banging on about it ;D
Who's this "Fred" geezer you keep referring to?
who the f is this cherry ^^^^ lmfao 8)
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Nope but i watched the video and the water didnt seem to sit
on the glass in a hydrophillic way after it had been rinsed and i
also posed this question (if you like to look back through all the posts ;D)
if it dried in a hydrophillic way and he was honest enough to say that
the water sat on the glass in droplets in water in a hydrophobic way
but reduced.
Unfortunately that is not what im looking for but is not a criticism
of this product.
Happy now :)
Added..for jk999
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OK
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
Let's not forget the main aim is to take dirt OFF glass. Hydrophobic means the water will shoot off the surface, taking all of the dirt with it. I don't, and nor do my lads, have any issues with spotting in any glass, whether it appears to be hydrophobic/philic. I think that comes down to technique and water quality, not the properties of the glass itself.
Therefore, a hydrophobic product is more desirable, taking the dirt away as fast as possible. Hydrophilic will encourage the water to stick, keeping the dirt on the glass.
It will be interesting to hear the opinion of others about my previous post...
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no steve when the water sits on the glass for longer it has chance to absorb all the dirt, were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting this is usually the case on very hot days i believe this mix helps on very hot days you don't need to rinse as much so there for save time ,so u work quicker save water and time :)
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Is there still no YouTube vids of this stuff???
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no steve when the water sits on the glass for longer it has chance to absorb all the dirt, were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting this is usually the case on very hot days i believe this mix helps on very hot days you don't need to rinse as much so there for save time ,so u work quicker save water and time :)
The water isnt there to absorb the dirt. Its not there to dissolve the dirt.
Through the action of the brush the dirt looses its adherence to the glass and the water is there for one reason, to flush it off. End of story.
Its those that love to over-engineer the business of cleaning glass that lose all credibility.
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You should be earning a £1 per ltr of water used so £20 shouldn't break the bank should it
Emptied my tank this morning onto the road. Where's my money? ;D
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It's quite possibly an alcohol substitute "borrowed" from the Lithographic printing process. Alcohol is dodgy stuff in print these days and so substitutes have been produced to take the dangers away. These substitutes are used at quite low percentages, lower than alcohol as a wetting agent breaking down surface tension. This is what makes the water look syrupy it increases the viscosity. The bubbles are likely to be another ingredient. If I'm correct then I'm not entirely sure why the second ingredient is added but that's probably the bit that gives a bit more shine. It's unlikely it changes the properties of glass just sheets a bit better.
Jigsaw aren't claiming spectacular results or molecular changes (they are windowcleners) and probably are unsure exactly what their product actually does chemically.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
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probably are unsure exactly what their product actually does chemically.
Highly likely.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
no window licker ur rong ;D ;D ;D
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So according to your statement your powerless over the cleanliness of some of the glass you clean. On a warm day where the water on the glass creates droplets its going to leave spot marks. You're not much of a cleaner are you.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
That's "fred" for you!! ;D is he married to a girl called needle by any chance you think?
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That's sharp!
This time of the morning
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
Let's not forget the main aim is to take dirt OFF glass. Hydrophobic means the water will shoot off the surface, taking all of the dirt with it. I don't, and nor do my lads, have any issues with spotting in any glass, whether it appears to be hydrophobic/philic. I think that comes down to technique and water quality, not the properties of the glass itself.
Therefore, a hydrophobic product is more desirable, taking the dirt away as fast as possible. Hydrophilic will encourage the water to stick, keeping the dirt on the glass.
It will be interesting to hear the opinion of others about my previous post...
you ve got it the wrong way round steve!
its the HYDROPHILIC glass that sheets better and DOESNT leave beads of water on the glass that could potentially pick up dirt in the droplets before drying.
HYDROPHOBIC tends to run like "little rivers" and stays on the glass longer.
i personally dont have a problem with either types of glass.i just tend to rinse a bit more on hydrophobic glass.
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;)
I get what Steve means, Daz is correct too. Some glass that repels water does seem to clean better than sheeting windows although most of us prefer to see a curtain of water.
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That's sharp!
This time of the morning
Always to the "point", you know me!!
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eye!
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In stitches here!!
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You should be earning a £1 per ltr of water used so £20 shouldn't break the bank should it
Emptied my tank this morning onto the road. Where's my money? ;D
Bet the road is shiny!
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I'm very interested in this product and if it can improve productivity, everyone should be buying it. I didn't get an answer from Kempy or anyone who makes the product about the exact aim of it. What is the USP?
Also, have any tests been done on a microscopic level regarding the interaction between pure water with this product and pure water alone? Science sells. HOW exactly does it glide quicker, if it actually does? I don't want the formula, but I do want the science.
Does it fill in the microscopic blemishes in smooth glass?
Does it change the chemical viscosity of the water?
I need to know before I go using this on solar panels especially, but I want to know for my other business too.
If it cuts through grime, should we be using this to aid the pressure washing side of our businesses?
I have so many questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Email me if you don't want it on the forum. I of all people would understand why.
Fan choo! :)
Its quite simple they have stumble over something while trying different products on the market and are now bottling it to sell at profit and don`t have any scientific proof to offer and have no specific use outline of what the product can do this is all made up on the hoof.
Rhino says he has the same product but only in 10 liter form been in the big business side only wants to make it big. The truth will always prevail sooner or later.
This is of course just my opinion. And each can make up there own mind. I will just wait and wait for the hype to settle.
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I'm very interested in this product and if it can improve productivity, everyone should be buying it. I didn't get an answer from Kempy or anyone who makes the product about the exact aim of it. What is the USP?
Also, have any tests been done on a microscopic level regarding the interaction between pure water with this product and pure water alone? Science sells. HOW exactly does it glide quicker, if it actually does? I don't want the formula, but I do want the science.
Does it fill in the microscopic blemishes in smooth glass?
Does it change the chemical viscosity of the water?
I need to know before I go using this on solar panels especially, but I want to know for my other business too.
If it cuts through grime, should we be using this to aid the pressure washing side of our businesses?
I have so many questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Email me if you don't want it on the forum. I of all people would understand why.
Fan choo! :)
Its quite simple they have stumble over something while trying different products on the market and are now bottling it to sell at profit and don`t have any scientific proof to offer and have no specific use outline of what the product can do this is all made up on the hoof.
Rhino says he has the same product but only in 10 liter form been in the big business side only wants to make it big. The truth will always prevail sooner or later.
This is of course just my opinion. And each can make up there own mind. I will just wait and wait for the hype to settle.
Took me over twenty replies to try and say what you have said in four lines ;D well said.
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I think you'll find Rhino's product is different - him and his mate are selling the stuff to coat the glass with rather than chuck it in the tank from what I saw on here.
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
Let's not forget the main aim is to take dirt OFF glass. Hydrophobic means the water will shoot off the surface, taking all of the dirt with it. I don't, and nor do my lads, have any issues with spotting in any glass, whether it appears to be hydrophobic/philic. I think that comes down to technique and water quality, not the properties of the glass itself.
Therefore, a hydrophobic product is more desirable, taking the dirt away as fast as possible. Hydrophilic will encourage the water to stick, keeping the dirt on the glass.
It will be interesting to hear the opinion of others about my previous post...
personally I find hydrophilic glass dries quicker and lets not forget weather
conditions have an effect on what condition the glass dries especially this time of year
when we get a lot of wet and especially windy weather.
I clean a lot of windows on busy roads where you get more than a bit of wind
and is made worse on windy days I have little problem with hydrophilic glass
which dries quickly and I guarantee(and this happened when I used 000ppm)
that with windy conditions blowing, hydrophobic glass where the droplets of water
hang around longer especially this time of year spot I put this down to dirt
in the air attaching itself to the water droplets so I have always bladed this glass
dry.
I like to work in as many conditions as possible so hydrophilic glass is more
preferable to me.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
So why do people come on here moaning about the wind? If "clean" water can sit of the glass all day why do people get complaints and bad finishes to cleaned houses? If a window takes all day to dry and there is wind about it won't matter?
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
Let's not forget the main aim is to take dirt OFF glass. Hydrophobic means the water will shoot off the surface, taking all of the dirt with it. I don't, and nor do my lads, have any issues with spotting in any glass, whether it appears to be hydrophobic/philic. I think that comes down to technique and water quality, not the properties of the glass itself.
Therefore, a hydrophobic product is more desirable, taking the dirt away as fast as possible. Hydrophilic will encourage the water to stick, keeping the dirt on the glass.
It will be interesting to hear the opinion of others about my previous post...
personally I find hydrophilic glass dries quicker and lets not forget weather
conditions have an effect on what condition the glass dries especially this time of year
when we get a lot of wet and especially windy weather.
I clean a lot of windows on busy roads where you get more than a bit of wind
and is made worse on windy days I have little problem with hydrophilic glass
which dries quickly and I guarantee(and this happened when I used 000ppm)
that with windy conditions blowing, hydrophobic glass where the droplets of water
hang around longer especially this time of year spot I put this down to dirt
in the air attaching itself to the water droplets so I have always bladed this glass
dry.
I like to work in as many conditions as possible so hydrophilic glass is more
preferable to me.
But then you get the same scenario as used in the to clean or not to clean in the rain debates, you could blade the glass
and one shower of rain an hour later and your back to square one.
I used to get very stressed about this same thing until my wife pointed out, it doesn't matter if they get slightly dirty again
when it starts to rain, the windows will still be cleaner than they were before I cleaned them.
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You are there to clean the previous weeks/months worth of dirt off.
Just done a pair of patio doors covered in dog mud. Effortless to clean off.
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I would think because its normally hydrophobic glass where
you have spotting issues and hydrophillic glass the water tends
to sit on the glass like a sheet and when drying tends to evenly
shrinking down or inwards and gives you less chance of spotting.
If they had truly developed a product that makes glass behave
in a hydrophillic way that would be of great interest to me personally
unfortunately i dont think this is the case.
Let's not forget the main aim is to take dirt OFF glass. Hydrophobic means the water will shoot off the surface, taking all of the dirt with it. I don't, and nor do my lads, have any issues with spotting in any glass, whether it appears to be hydrophobic/philic. I think that comes down to technique and water quality, not the properties of the glass itself.
Therefore, a hydrophobic product is more desirable, taking the dirt away as fast as possible. Hydrophilic will encourage the water to stick, keeping the dirt on the glass.
It will be interesting to hear the opinion of others about my previous post...
personally I find hydrophilic glass dries quicker and lets not forget weather
conditions have an effect on what condition the glass dries especially this time of year
when we get a lot of wet and especially windy weather.
I clean a lot of windows on busy roads where you get more than a bit of wind
and is made worse on windy days I have little problem with hydrophilic glass
which dries quickly and I guarantee(and this happened when I used 000ppm)
that with windy conditions blowing, hydrophobic glass where the droplets of water
hang around longer especially this time of year spot I put this down to dirt
in the air attaching itself to the water droplets so I have always bladed this glass
dry.
I like to work in as many conditions as possible so hydrophilic glass is more
preferable to me.
But then you get the same scenario as used in the to clean or not to clean in the rain debates, you could blade the glass
and one shower of rain an hour later and your back to square one.
I used to get very stressed about this same thing until my wife pointed out, it doesn't matter if they get slightly dirty again
when it starts to rain, the windows will still be cleaner than they were before I cleaned them.
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Again sean I personally this depends on conditions if its just raining its not a problem
in fact when I have used 30ppm tapwater the rain has helped especially if it spends
the whole day chucking it down. ;D
your missus is right about about slightly bit but the work I have on main roads
lots of traffic lots of pollution I can go back the following day and already see
the carbon black soot forming on the sills and if I didn't blade the hydrophobic
glass they would be filthy because it takes so long to dry
I generally prefer to do this work on dry days with no wind orwhen its chucking down all day but
not windy I don't bother blading and have no problems, on light showery days
I blade the hydrophobic glass and no problems,with heavy showers like today
and strong gusts of wind like today I just don't bother with this work and do something
else.
Apologise the above is a bit garbled and I cant be bothered to put it right. ;D
Anyways I prefer the phillic effect if that's even the right description for me
it dries quicker and more evenly and I don't suffer spotting when using 30ppm
tapwater ;D
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
So why do people come on here moaning about the wind? If "clean" water can sit of the glass all day why do people get complaints and bad finishes to cleaned houses? If a window takes all day to dry and there is wind about it won't matter?
Theres always one, they usually live in a village.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
So why do people come on here moaning about the wind? If "clean" water can sit of the glass all day why do people get complaints and bad finishes to cleaned houses? If a window takes all day to dry and there is wind about it won't matter?
Theres always one, they usually live in a village.
Gary999 beat me to it.
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I don't think (Window Lickers & Dave willis) work at all ;D
These guys just site by the computer and just find faults with any one who come up with any good idea ;D
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Day off today. I haven't found fault with Vision - never tried it. I have only found fault with the claims by one or two.
Haven't tried the stuff you sell either just object to the underhand way you try to sell it :)
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I do a day on a new estate near me. Always a panic to get it done. Today i finished at 2pm, all done.
That will be my last comment on the product. I will provide reviews to Vision if they need it.
IF its a placebo effect then so be it. I am earning more per day and today i have finished earlier.
Maybe i just needed a little kick up the backside.
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Is H20 connected to this product in some way or is he on a wind up ?
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I don't think (Window Lickers & Dave willis) work at all ;D
These guys just site by the computer and just find faults with any one who come up with any good idea ;D
lmfao they spend all day on here trying to knock a product they no nout about ;D there is allways 1 or 2 that cant help there self an u do get a few sheep that tag along ;D ;D ;D
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Is H20 connected to this product in some way or is he on a wind up ?
Nope & nope
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I don't think (Window Lickers & Dave willis) work at all ;D
These guys just site by the computer and just find faults with any one who come up with any good idea ;D
Done a £175.00 regular external window clean job here today
(http://files.photosnack.net/albums/images/8ef493dc9dd70e30e83925i204255436/original)
followed by the houses gutters followed by the courtyard building gutters followed by three estate house gutters followed by three other houses windows in town. That enough for you? :P
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
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Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
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I'm very interested in this product and if it can improve productivity, everyone should be buying it. I didn't get an answer from Kempy or anyone who makes the product about the exact aim of it. What is the USP?
Also, have any tests been done on a microscopic level regarding the interaction between pure water with this product and pure water alone? Science sells. HOW exactly does it glide quicker, if it actually does? I don't want the formula, but I do want the science.
Does it fill in the microscopic blemishes in smooth glass?
Does it change the chemical viscosity of the water?
I need to know before I go using this on solar panels especially, but I want to know for my other business too.
If it cuts through grime, should we be using this to aid the pressure washing side of our businesses?
I have so many questions that I can't seem to find answers to.
Email me if you don't want it on the forum. I of all people would understand why.
Fan choo! :)
I don't know who else is involved in the development of the product, but if Kempy or any of the other developers can answer my questions, I'd appreciate it.
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I don't no dilly about hydro watsit this and that glass. I am not a scientist, unlike most on here. I am rubbish at spelling and possibly cleaning windows...but I do know this and its not hard to understand. IF WATER IS ANYWHERE, ON GLASS ETC AND THE WIND BLOWS DUST, THE WATER WILL COLLECT IT. Now for the junk feedback ;) road side houses collect more grime than any. We live next to a dry stone wall. If I don't wipe the water of my car when washed, it collects dust from the wall. Same thing
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Hi Steve ..
Been busy cleaning windows and family stuff .
The thread has asked many questions and we've answered a lot .
The website describes the product .
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
Sorry but it can be related to drying time depending on circumstances such as
I have posted previously and types of glass do make a difference, massive amounts
of pollution on a lot of the roads I clean on and on gusty windy days when everything
is being whipped around in the air..dirt does attach itself more easily to wet glass
after cleaning, quicker the glass dries the better. I have found at this time of year
when temps are cooler hydrophobic glass(if I have the terminology correct) where
there are numerous droplets of water on the glass as opposed to hydrophilic where
there is an almost an even sheet across the pane which shrinks evenly and quickly
as drying leaving no droplets of water exaggerates the problem.
It does happen..whether you choose to believe it or not...well that's up
to you and makes no difference to me at all :)
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
Steady matey...you are stating something that flies in the face of science as we know it ;D
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I don't care it works for me and will be ordering more . also washes the car loverly
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Mind, we have heard some pretty good claims about just pure water too over the years. Usually from newbies who go WFP then somehow think they are physics professors! Rots wood (well, any water will do that), eats van floors, puts holes on your clothes, dries skin, removes skin moisture etc etc and that's without all the over-hyped & exaggerated claims of it's cleaning properties!! ::)roll ;D ;D
This is afterall....... CIU the place where egos are akin to a blind cobbler's thumb!!
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My first attempt today did not go well as left some spotting but not to worry as it peed down later ;D
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Mind, we have heard some pretty good claims about just pure water too over the years. Usually from newbies who go WFP then somehow think they are physics professors! Rots wood (well, any water will do that), eats van floors, puts holes on your clothes, dries skin, removes skin moisture etc etc and that's without all the over-hyped & exaggerated claims of it's cleaning properties!! ::)roll ;D ;D
This afterall....... CIU the place where egos are akin to a blind cobbler's thumb!!
pmsl ;D
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My first attempt today did not go well as left some spotting but not to worry as it peed down later ;D
How can you tell it dried with some spotting in this weather? If your getting spotting with Vision, what are you like without it lol
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lmfao ;D ;D what he dident say was he also added some kems to the brush lol ::)roll
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Was on my own house :-* ;D
My first attempt today did not go well as left some spotting but not to worry as it peed down later ;D
How can you tell it dried with some spotting in this weather? If your getting spotting with Vision, what are you like without it lol
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Did not need to as it had more bubbles than me bubble bath ;D
lmfao ;D ;D what he dident say was he also added some kems to the brush lol ::)roll
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Did not need to as it had more bubbles than me bubble bath ;D
lmfao ;D ;D what he dident say was he also added some kems to the brush lol ::)roll
Your not suppose to put the whole bottle in ;D
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Mind, we have heard some pretty good claims about just pure water too over the years. Usually from newbies who go WFP then somehow think they are physics professors! Rots wood (well, any water will do that), eats van floors, puts holes on your clothes, dries skin, removes skin moisture etc etc and that's without all the over-hyped & exaggerated claims of it's cleaning properties!! ::)roll ;D ;D
This afterall....... CIU the place where egos are akin to a blind cobbler's thumb!!
haven't heard many of those for a long time ;D
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Oops! ;D
Did not need to as it had more bubbles than me bubble bath ;D
lmfao ;D ;D what he dident say was he also added some kems to the brush lol ::)roll
Your not suppose to put the whole bottle in ;D
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serious tho alan u need to get the dose rite to get the resalts this mix is not for the amateur wc lmfao ;D
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;D
serious tho alan u need to get the dose rite to get the resalts this mix is not for the amateur wc lmfao ;D
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
Steady matey...you are stating something that flies in the face of science as we know it ;D
I'm not arguing at all that atmospheric dust can gather in spots left on windows, of course it can....
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Hi Steve ..
Been busy cleaning windows and family stuff .
The thread has asked many questions and we've answered a lot .
The website describes the product .
Hi Kempy.
I've re-read the whole thread and your website mate, but still can't find answers to my questions....
You know the volume that we are cleaning solar panels, this is aside to my window cleaning business. I'm a potential customer, dare I say it, of the more financially lucrative variety. Surely it is worth answering my questions.... ???
Email me the answers if you don't want it on here....
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Steve if I'm honest this has been tried and tested for nearly 12 months on windows. We've only had a few solar panels cleaned in that time so can't give an in depth review yet. So far so good though and does seem to work just as well.
As for a change in the chemical structure and viscosity it's negligable. The ph of your pure water stays the same and for all tense and purposes it is still pure water. The viscosity appears to be slightly denser, but again in reality it isn't really.
You are still using pure h20. (Just with a little boost)
You could well add it to your water for pressure washing if you wished, but my guess is that you won't notice a huge difference. The pressure will do all the work and if a pressure washer doesn't dislodge dirt then this additive probably won't either to be honest.
Feel free to email me if you have any questions as I check my email more regularly than I do here.
shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
Steady matey...you are stating something that flies in the face of science as we know it ;D
I'm not arguing at all that atmospheric dust can gather in spots left on windows, of course it can....
so drying time can be an issue in certain conditons,again if I have got the terminology
correct I find in hydrophilic glass gives less problems than hydrophobic, this was
in response to your original post why try to make an hydrophilic response.
Glass drying clean is part of the cleaning process so better the glasses response
to the water including the manner and speed which it dries the less chance
there will be any problems when you walk away.
What was your argument again...talk about keep on knocking and you cant
get in ;D
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I think its suppose to rinse like hydrophilic, yet more slippy so wont stick to glass as easy...like hydrophilic :) all getting silly now
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Steve if I'm honest this has been tried and tested for nearly 12 months on windows. We've only had a few solar panels cleaned in that time so can't give an in depth review yet. So far so good though and does seem to work just as well.
As for a change in the chemical structure and viscosity it's negligable. The ph of your pure water stays the same and for all tense and purposes it is still pure water. The viscosity appears to be slightly denser, but again in reality it isn't really.
You are still using pure h20. (Just with a little boost)
You could well add it to your water for pressure washing if you wished, but my guess is that you won't notice a huge difference. The pressure will do all the work and if a pressure washer doesn't dislodge dirt then this additive probably won't either to be honest.
Feel free to email me if you have any questions as I check my email more regularly than I do here.
shop@jigsaw-innovations.co.uk
Yay! I got as close as I will get to answers. Nice one mate! :)
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
Steady matey...you are stating something that flies in the face of science as we know it ;D
I'm not arguing at all that atmospheric dust can gather in spots left on windows, of course it can....
so drying time can be an issue in certain conditons,again if I have got the terminology
correct I find in hydrophilic glass gives less problems than hydrophobic, this was
in response to your original post why try to make an hydrophilic response.
Glass drying clean is part of the cleaning process so better the glasses response
to the water including the manner and speed which it dries the less chance
there will be any problems when you walk away.
What was your argument again...talk about keep on knocking and you cant
get in ;D
;D Think I got my answers from Jonny. Ultra-hydrophobic coatings will not allow virtually any water to adhere to the glass at all, especially because it is vertical. Less water on the glass full stop, means less chance of spotting. That's why ultra-hydrophobic coatings are being researched as vociferously as they are. They are the fire, not hydrophilic. :)
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were if it beads it can dry to quick an cause spotting
The above statement is as inaccurate as they come.
Spotting occurs if you havent rinsed adequately. The speed water will evaporate has nothing to do with it. If the water left on the glass is clean water it can sit there all day long drying or dry in a split second. Its whether theres dirt in the water droplets on the glass that is important.
+1
Water's natural chemical propensity is to absorb dirt, that's what makes it such an effective cleansing agent. The longer the water is on the glass, the more it is absorbing dirt is nonsense. Spotting occurs only if there is dirt present. It is not related at all to the drying time.
In one sense you are correct but.......... pure water will absorb atmospheric particles- the longer the water remains on the glass the more chance this has of happening.
Steady matey...you are stating something that flies in the face of science as we know it ;D
I'm not arguing at all that atmospheric dust can gather in spots left on windows, of course it can....
so drying time can be an issue in certain conditons,again if I have got the terminology
correct I find in hydrophilic glass gives less problems than hydrophobic, this was
in response to your original post why try to make an hydrophilic response.
Glass drying clean is part of the cleaning process so better the glasses response
to the water including the manner and speed which it dries the less chance
there will be any problems when you walk away.
What was your argument again...talk about keep on knocking and you cant
get in ;D
;D Think I got my answers from Jonny. Ultra-hydrophobic coatings will not allow virtually any water to adhere to the glass at all, especially because it is vertical. Less water on the glass full stop, means less chance of spotting. That's why ultra-hydrophobic coatings are being researched as vociferously as they are. They are the fire, not hydrophilic. :)
Whatever matey ;D all I know is hydrophobic glass generally leaves numerous
droplets of water on the glass and takes longer to dry than the shrinking of
effect of hydrophilic which in the circumstances I described causes problems
Why you want to set fire to anything is beyond me...but hey whatever
gets you through the day ;D
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Mind, we have heard some pretty good claims about just pure water too over the years. Usually from newbies who go WFP then somehow think they are physics professors! Rots wood (well, any water will do that), eats van floors, puts holes on your clothes, dries skin, removes skin moisture etc etc and that's without all the over-hyped & exaggerated claims of it's cleaning properties!! ::)roll ;D ;D
This afterall....... CIU the place where egos are akin to a blind cobbler's thumb!!
haven't heard many of those for a long time ;D
Dont forget pure water weighs less than normal water obviously because theres impurities in normal water making it weigh more
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Mind, we have heard some pretty good claims about just pure water too over the years. Usually from newbies who go WFP then somehow think they are physics professors! Rots wood (well, any water will do that), eats van floors, puts holes on your clothes, dries skin, removes skin moisture etc etc and that's without all the over-hyped & exaggerated claims of it's cleaning properties!! ::)roll ;D ;D
This afterall....... CIU the place where egos are akin to a blind cobbler's thumb!!
haven't heard many of those for a long time ;D
Dont forget pure water weighs less than normal water obviously because theres impurities in normal water making it weigh more
lmao ;D ;D
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Can anyone confirm is Vision makes water weigh more?
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You are only adding 1ml per 100 litres .
So weight gain is practically zero .
I've used it for over 12 months and it's amazing on the repeated visits to all my properties / customers .
But again I'm obviously affiliated to Vision . But I have never had any spotting issues since I've used Vision and my regular cleans are a doddle . Plus first cleans are no problem .
Used it hot today as well, again was very good .
i would simply just try it , we've had some great reviews .
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serious tho alan u need to get the dose rite to get the resalts this mix is not for the amateur wc lmfao ;D
Is this a figment of the hype, a member since the 30 nov 2014 You guys are messing up your marketing.
Will the King please stand up. I thought Elvis was dead. Which one of you puppets is the King. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I don't no dilly about hydro watsit this and that glass. I am not a scientist, unlike most on here. I am rubbish at spelling and possibly cleaning windows...but I do know this and its not hard to understand. IF WATER IS ANYWHERE, ON GLASS ETC AND THE WIND BLOWS DUST, THE WATER WILL COLLECT IT. Now for the junk feedback ;) road side houses collect more grime than any. We live next to a dry stone wall. If I don't wipe the water of my car when washed, it collects dust from the wall. Same thing
With the amount of rain we have been having I don`t think there is much bust around in the air.It would all be damped down.I cannot think there is a desert in the U K.
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There's no marketing hype or ploy . I don't know PureH2O and he seems happy with using Vision . As does a few others .
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hay slap dash i mean slap bash ;D im the king bitch wats up 8)
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King Bitch? Wouldn't that be Queen ::)roll
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I don't no dilly about hydro watsit this and that glass. I am not a scientist, unlike most on here. I am rubbish at spelling and possibly cleaning windows...but I do know this and its not hard to understand. IF WATER IS ANYWHERE, ON GLASS ETC AND THE WIND BLOWS DUST, THE WATER WILL COLLECT IT. Now for the junk feedback ;) road side houses collect more grime than any. We live next to a dry stone wall. If I don't wipe the water of my car when washed, it collects dust from the wall. Same thing
With the amount of rain we have been having I don`t think there is much bust around in the air.It would all be damped down.I cannot think there is a desert in the U K.
There is plenty of pollution in the air on busy city roads which covers the windows
in crap and how about the poor buggers that work on the coast and have to put
up with the salt spray.
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i work on the cost its a nte mare salt on every window an not just a bit caked >:(
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i work on the cost its a nte mare salt on every window an not just a bit caked >:(
Thats not salt and its on your face not the windows.
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hi Jonny.
my di vessel is after my tank. Still ok to use 'vision' ?
Hi shining,
Sorry but this has to be added to pure water.
DI resin starts to take away certain parts of the additive so that it really isn't worth using it.
Do you have any way you can filter straight into your tank?
I know it's not ideal for all users.
Were working on a way to add the vision just before the reel but this is still a long way off yet.
If a di takes away some parts of Vanish then Vision should push the tds no matter how little it added as di do not filter pure water but attract neg charged and pos charged in a mixed bed resin.If as you say it will take away then it will up the tds which you say does not happen, To do this vision is a charged solid and then a measured by TDS.
000 pure water......add vision..........000 pure water.
It's pretty simple really.
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hello pure,to answer some questions,
the constant dead ending and re-adjustment,vision contains bigger sizes atoms than pure alone (one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms)so,although it sounds wierd this is what you could find,i use a different type of controller so can only summise that this is whats happening,the oranges?!! its a perfume called citronella used widely in the perfume trade and aromatherapy industries,it covers the smell of the base ingredients which is not pleasant :-[,we like the strong smell as it is calming,you know its present in the water and can over time give an indication if you have overdosed or not with it
Another misquote one oxygen 2 hydrogen its H 2 O therefore 1 hydrogen 2 oxygen
When I was a child my mother used ti put citronella oil to drive away mosquitoes used in hot countries and it did not smell like citrus fruit. ;D ;D ;D
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One more if the di took a art of Vision away then that part must be undissolved part and therefore will push the TDS up. DI do not filter water they attract oppositely charged parts / or atoms may they be negatively charged or positively. That is why its called a mixed bed resin its cationic and some resin beads are anionic. You are right with one thing its weird. It does not make sense. I rest my case.
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i work on the cost its a nte mare salt on every window an not just a bit caked >:(
Thats not salt and its on your face not the windows.
CRACKERS ^^^^ ;D
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One more if the di took a art of Vision away then that part must be undissolved part and therefore will push the TDS up. DI do not filter water they attract oppositely charged parts / or atoms may they be negatively charged or positively. That is why its called a mixed bed resin its cationic and some resin beads are anionic. You are right with one thing its weird. It does not make sense. I rest my case.
Let's agree to disagree slap bash.
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Slap Bash , have you used Vision ?
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Only if it makes you hallucinate.
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I a m looking at your facts don`t don`t line up to convince me that this amazing product is for me .I don`t do buy and try at my expense.
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i think someones been on pot
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Fair do's Slap bash .
For me it works . As I work slightly quicker , windows shine more and no spotting issues.
But we all like different aspects of certain pieces of equipment etc .
That's why it's good to have variety of poles , vans etc
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I upped the dosage in my tank, around 10ml per 400l. Tried on my own house windows today. Strange at 1st, looks like the water has fairy in it, lots of suds looking stuff going down the glass. Dried fine though. I will see how my working day goes with it tomorrow.
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windows shine more and no spotting issues.
What were you doing wrong before?
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You are only adding 1ml per 100 litres .
So weight gain is practically zero .
I would recommend you going to weigh bridge as it could possibly tip you over payload using Vision
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You are only adding 1ml per 100 litres .
So weight gain is practically zero .
I would recommend you going to weigh bridge as it could possibly tip you over payload using Vision
;D ;D ;D
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I used it today, when I filled my tank it was a bit disconcerting as the water foamed up a fair amount to begin with but as it diluted the water cleared. The dispenser worked fine, but it's hard to believe that 8 small squirts of the solution could effect 800Ls so dramatically.
What I found was that the water wanted to stick to the windows much more so, so if the glass was hydrophilic (water attracting) it would take ages to fall down the glass. It also bubbled up a lot on hydrophilic glass. Hydrophobic glass rinsed slightly better than normal and didn't bubble as much.
The best thing I found was the improved cleaning ability, stuff like birds mess came off a lot faster than normal, I even found that it was removing some creeping Ivey marks off of a window frame that had been there for years.
Down side of the product is getting used to the bubbles, you could waste a lot of water rinsing unnecessarily, but once you get over leaving bubbles on the glass then you should be ok.
I don't think that this product is going to make you a lot faster if you are already doing a good job, maybe slightly, but things like birds mess do come off a lot quicker. I have hot water which speeds me up a fair amount but with this chemical mess that I would normally soak and then come back to came off first time easily, only one stubborn seagull dropping that needed more attention.
I also like some others found that the chemical affected the dead end time of the pump. I don't think it is that the water changes viscosity but rather that the water gets a slight ionic charge that makes it attracted to glass, but also attracted to the hose and hose reel as it is pumped through which in turn creates friction making the pump shut off sooner. Just my theory but I think it's a good one.
All in all I think the benefits so far out weigh the negatives especially considering that it's gonna cost well under a £1 per day even if you have a 1000L tank.
Simon.
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Good honest review. Was hoping it would make hydrophobic glass better to rinse. I don't have any qualms with hydrophilic glass at all
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I have used vision for a month now and not had any problems with my machine pure freedom trolly and I know another three guys that use these trollies used vision n no problem with machines . And me personally think it speeds up the work
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Good review Simon . Remember you have only used Vision just one day . Honestly you will grow to like it even more .
8ml out of 250ml is a 30th
30th of £15 = 50p
Plus some days you may not add as there be residual in your tank .
The bubbles you will adjust to . It's like when doing Wfp for the first time we didn't like leaving windows wet.
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Hurrrrraaaaayyyyyy! An honest review!!! Thank you!
Where do I sign???
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Hurrrrraaaaayyyyyy! An honest review!!! Thank you!
Where do I sign???
Hi Solar Steve
I have no experience cleaning solar panels. I have cleaned plenty of V-Lux windows and conservatory roofs though. From what I've seen the water on hydrophilic glass will drain slower as it sticks to the glass, so if your cleaning a solar panel at a shallow angle and the surface attracts water (hydrophilic) you won't be able to rely on gravity to aid draining, you will need to pull the water off the panel. If this isn't an issue then I'd say the added benefits of cleaning power would really benefit solar panel cleaning.
I was waiting for phone call last night after I'd left bubbles on so many windows but only the usual text messages of thanks and payments.
Simon.
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Hurrrrraaaaayyyyyy! An honest review!!! Thank you!
Where do I sign???
Have to agree, its a Christmas miracle.
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Yesterday and today has seen me clean houses that i have previously cleaned with a vision mix.
I have to say considering all this "stormy" weather we have had, they look great.
Did a new customer today and it made the job so much easier.
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How much is it per litre?
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How much is it per litre?
£60 inc postage i would say.
enough for me to do over 100,000 Liters of pure.
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I read on another forum that one of the guys who is the supplier of Vision has had to change the brush he is using because of how dirty the windows are due to the storms. Surly if vision was that good it would cut through the extra dirt and there would be no need to swap brushes ???
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I've not put any in my tank for a week. Not seen any benefits. I was expecting all glass to sheet and it ain't happening.
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I read on another forum that one of the guys who is the supplier of Vision has had to change the brush he is using because of how dirty the windows are due to the storms. Surly if vision was that good it would cut through the extra dirt and there would be no need to swap brushes ???
That's me lee. :)
It's a personal preferance of mine to go back to a flocked brush with the amount of dirt that I personally have. In my area we had two weeks if gales and storms, and I find that flocked cleans better than mono in this instance.
This is an additive that is to enhance WFP. Not do all the work for you.
I could lie and say that vision is a miracle mix that takes the work out of window cleaning, but I'm not going to do that.
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only the usual text messages of thanks
Oh we get 50 or 60 of those every day.
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only the usual text messages of thanks
Oh we get 50 or 60 of those every day.
;D can't remember ever getting a thank you text. He must be offering extras :D
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So trawling through some old posts about 'additives'..... who still uses additives and are there any people who have used these for a few years that still do or stopped because they felt additives just didn't cut the mustard?
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i used vision for about a year dave off and on and what i found is.............. it slowed me down.i was rinsing more because of bubbles(i couldnt see the dirt particles properly) and it made the glass more "slippy" which made scrubbing slug trails,etc harder work.
i tried to convince myself it was better than pure alone but i had to admit defeat.a waste of time and money IMO.
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Cheers for the actual use info.... Always good to see how people think about a product after its seem some use, rather than the standard youtube type review where someone gets something and reviews it out of the box with little to no use.... Again Thanks.
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I used this stuff for some time and the only thing it did over time was gum up my pump diaphragm. So it's a no from me. Ruined a good pump.