Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richy27 on April 20, 2010, 08:08:07 pm
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got a job next week old red wine stain in the middle of the carpet wool normal customer attempts.
Am cleaning a few rooms in the house and the customer
does not expect me to remove the stain but it wold be nice to do it if i can. thought i might use red rx but never used it before can someone talk me through the hot transfer method
thanks
Richard
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Richard
An easier way that has given me 100% results.
1) Clean and freshwater rinse.
2) Treat with a mildly alkaline spotter (I use a regular microsplitter or DFC 105) The stain should by now have turned blue/black. Freshwater rinse.
3) Treat with a solution of Sodium Met (eg Spray and Go) Little to negligable dwell time. Freshwater rinse.
4) repeat 2) & 3) as required.
Always pre-test and always set up equipment before starting process.
Safe and happy spotting :)
The Ken
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rich
clean it as normal, then boil a kettle, get a spray bottle, add 2 tea spoons of sodium mets, then poor in the very hot water, screw on the spray lid then spray and it will disappear before your very eyes in seconds. then rinse.
oh and wear gloves ;D, bottle will be fckd afterwards but jobs a good en, we did about 10 red wine stains with this method and was laughing with every stain as it just vanished into thin air. ;D
owner was so overjoyed she actually died. quite literally, the cheque came back, "drawer deceased" :(
well it might not of been the shock of allthem stains gone ::)
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Ken / Derek
Many thanks thats really helpful derek do use chemspecs spray and go.
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i use sod mets in powder form, get it from hydramaster, don't ask for sodium mets though, they haven't got a clue what your on about ;D ask for there reducer. ;)
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owner was so overjoyed she actually died. quite literally, the cheque came back, "drawer deceased" :(
Cracking ;D I must remember that line ;)
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I find that amazing on tea and coffee Derek, Don't breath the fumes if you mix it too hot though! :o ;D I use Chemspecs 'Spray and Go' which I think is the same stuff?
I did ask Hydramaster for sod met and they did not know, just said they had some other stuff so I never bought as I wont sure it was the same stuff, whats it called Derek?
For red wine on wool or any thing else I use Hydramasters 'knockout' works a treat, gets 100% out.
Prochems red rx is about as much use as their coffee remover is on coffee; useless!!
Prochems stuff is a bit of a beginers range really.
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Wish I had read this post earlier in the week.
Just attempted to remove a red wine stain with Prochems Red RX with poor results.
Mite pop back to the customers house and try the Sodium Met treatment.
Cheers
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just been at a tea stain 2days old tryed yesterday with coffee stain remover and rx to no avail so when out bought dfc 105 and spray and go to try and still no movement in this stain, which is in a white wool carpet, so i have just told the owner to dig out the insurance hopefully i have uploaded thr pictures
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Gordonnis, Thats a shame, did you leave it on for ten mins before rinsing, also I find it takes 2 or 3 goes.
Terrymaloy, try Hydramasters 'knock out' for red wine, the only time I had it fail is when customer has put other chems on and messed up the chemistry. Your know if its going to work as it turns green first :o
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Gordonnis, try CoffeeMate from ChemSpec. Nothing comes close.
Hot decaf coffee with sweetners applied can be permenant.
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Sod met should do the trick
Mark
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I agree Mark,
Derick, have you changed your method of applying sodmet?
I seem to recall a while back You insisted on using a steamer in the equasion, perhaps I,m wrong forgive me if I am, but if it was your method , why have you changed ? just out interest.
Geoff
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Where do you get this ''SODIUM MET'' from? and what is it's full name. Also is it safe on wool??
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sodium-Metabisulphite-500g-/230364633853?pt=Home_Brew&hash=item35a2cd5afd
Loads of the stuff on EBAY
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Your local wine / beer DIY brewing shop will sell it.
Paul
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adam SOdIUM MET is a powder that is used both in the food industry as a food preserve and in the home brew/wine making fraternity as a sterlilising agent , Cambden tablets been a make up of sod. met. I may just give them ago as i,m sure would dissolve with no problem with a lot less hassle of mixing the powder.
as already stated people with breathing difficulties should avoid the fumes given off "sulphur dioxide" loveley smell its as good as any snuff to clear your head ;D
Geoff
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http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/0064
Shift is brilliant on wine, coffee and tea.
As Geoff said clears the nasal passages and can clear
the stomach contents if a good enough whiff.
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The Rust and Iron Mould Remover underneath it is good as well.
Better than Prochems.
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What dilution ratio to powder Derek.
Never used the stuff but will now.
John
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John i use 1 teaspoon per pint
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oooooooooooooo i'm way out. ;D
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Yeah derek use 2 and custie could kill over ;D ;D ;D
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John i use 1 teaspoon per pint
more like a teaspoon for cup for me and stronger, the only downfall of using stonger , in my experience is when it dried it can leave a powdery residule this is simply vacced up by custy of course imforming them first of the process
geoff
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Just to add my 10pennuth.
I allways use Altecs Tea and Coffee Remover and their Red Wine Remover, both give outstanding results, usually everytime, there RWR has more than a passing resemblance to strong ammonia (dont sniff it), and allways wear gloves it has that powdery residue arond the neck of the container.
But they usually work even on stains that have been played with.
Murky
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Gordonnis, Thats a shame, did you leave it on for ten mins before rinsing, also I find it takes 2 or 3 goes.
Terrymaloy, try Hydramasters 'knock out' for red wine, the only time I had it fail is when customer has put other chems on and messed up the chemistry. Your know if its going to work as it turns green first :o
I have a wine stain or a fizzy drink stain, customer not sure.
on a pure wool carpet i found this old thread and noticed you suggest Hydramasters Knockout but on the Hydramaster site it says this is a defoamer ???
I tried spotting it on my survey with a microsplitter which i have used to good affect on red wine before but not this time, i dont bother with the Prochem stuff for this type of stain as i have never managed to remove this type of stain with them, looks like you guys are all using different methods and chemicals
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James,
Hydramaster's Knock Out is next to useless these days. They seem to have changed the formula and it is nowhere near as good as it used to be. One CC I know used it on a wine stain and it turned orange and he couldn't correct it.
Simon
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Being new to the business when i have found something that works i stick with it but i have not had the oppotunity of trying many different products, and after trying most of the Prochem range i now find myself at a loss where to go next, i would be interested to know what the more experienced guys are using for juice stains, tea/coffee and wine
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Came accross a product on the internet this morning I'd never heard of before which claims to be able to deal with just about anything.................from the makers of the amazing Bissell carpet cleaner, it's called Oxy Kic !!
Has anyone tried it..............it might just work.
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James,
Like most people we use all of the usual suspects, sodium met, shift, spray & go etc etc, but with the best will in the world the really though stains are at best hit and miss, most often because they have been tampered with. The thing is never to guarantee, or even suggest that you can get the stains out, only that you have all the latest stain removal products and you will do your best. The problem is that stains can sometimes be the reason they called you in the first place and unless you qualify the customer adequately and revise their expectations downward, to you'll do your best, but can't guarantee complete removal then you may have a dissatisfied customer on your hands. The same applies to very dirty or heavily worn carpets as you must always be aware then when they are on the phone to you, in their minds eye is a carpet that looks like it did when it was new and our job is to adjust that mental image and modify their expectations through qualification so that what you eventually produce is more in keeping with that new expectation and possibly well beyond it if all goes well.
Simon
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Cheers Simon, i dont think any customer of mine could accuse me of raising expectations.
Common sense tells me to down play all results then if it looks good they are delighted, if that stain does not come out then they are not let down.
I do think that some customers look at me as though i have gone made though they say
"of course i dont expect the carpet to look new again, its old" ??? but you have to assume that they could be that one who expects you to make the carpet look like the bit under the sofa.
Think i may have to experiment with a few different methods and chemicals, i have my carpet sample with a few stains on i will be off in the morning to try sodium met first.
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Got some Sod met yesterday, got it home and tried it on a carpet sample with a Red wine, blackcurrant juice, coffee, and food colouring stains.
I Mixed up a pint if boiling water added a tablespoon of sod met put it in a spray bottle the results after i had dried the carpet this morning.
All stains apart from food colouring completely gone :) so another weapon in my arsenal 8)
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Was doing a carpet in a hotel once. It was at the drinks machine, or just around it. There were lucozade stains every where. As the drink would fall to the hatch, the sudden jolt would shake it up. As soon as it would open, the lucozade would fizz all over the new axminster. There were inevitably lots of lucozade stains and they had been there for well over a year, most of them.
I used some of Alltecs - red wine remover, this stuff has a low ph and is lethal to the lungs. It wasn't doing a thing to the carpet so I chased it with a steamer to up the ante. The pile of the carpet was completely scorched and ruined. It was only a small area no one noticed. What is it with mixing these low ph gum removers, tea and coffee removers with steam? I use the steamer all the time so I do know how to use it safely on a carpet. It happened on a polypropelene carpet too once residentially, again it went unnoticed as a test area.
Neil
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Got some Sod met yesterday, got it home and tried it on a carpet sample with a Red wine, blackcurrant juice, coffee, and food colouring stains.
I Mixed up a pint if boiling water added a tablespoon of sod met put it in a spray bottle the results after i had dried the carpet this morning.
All stains apart from food colouring completely gone :) so another weapon in my arsenal 8)
Hi Jim where did you get the Sod Mets from and what is the process for using ?
Do you spray on and leave for a certain length of time and then extract.
Hope this doesnt sound daft but Ive never used this and always wondered what the process is.
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I also use Chemspec coffee and tea stain remover from John at Restormate. It has a good % of Sodium Met and saves mixing chemicals. Down side is it stinks until dry but gives excellent results.
Peter
Beta Clean
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Wayne i mixed about a tablespoon into a pint of boiling water then added to a sprayer misted it on the stain, the wine stain turned purple usually a good sign alarming though if you have never seen it happen before, blotted with a terry towel.
It was hard to tell if it had all come out as the carpet was darkened but the moisture, so placed it on a radiator overnight next day stains gone :)
I read on this post where to get it i went to the local beer and wine makers shop they use it for cleaning, go get yourself some its a handy addition to the spotting kit
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Wayne try speeding up the process by using a hair dryer once applied, the results quite amazing at times .
Geoff
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Does the solution not have to be extracted?
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Wayne the solution does not have to be extracted, on odd occasions awhite cyrstal residule may be left , tell the custy to simply vac the area.
geoff
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Having carried out stain removal for the insurance industry for many years, experience is that 25% of stains are permanent. This is especially so if the customer has messed about with it using Vanish or the such.
Find that Tea and Coffee a lot depends on what temperature it was at when it hit the carpet. If its a cup thats been standing a while then its usually quite easy to remove. If its freshly made then its a lot harder, so ask the question.