Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Your Choice w/c on April 15, 2010, 11:16:17 pm
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New to wfp but dont seem to get the glass as clean on wooden framed windows has i do with upvc.Painted wooden frames seemed to leave a white milky finish in patches after first clean even though i gave them a good going over.Dont know wheather this is a problem with single glazed glass,dirt from frames or just my cleaning.Any advise would be welcome cheers.
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Old or unsound paint will dissolve in the pure water, then when the water dries off the paint is left behind as a milky deposit on the glass.
Extra rinsing doesn't help as it just dissolves more paint.
Sometimes the problem goes away after a clean or two.
If it doesn't you have to trad it or leave it.
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this is a concern of mine on some properties i do when i switch to wfp.
trad and. ladders will always be around as these windows are much better done trad.even with a trad pole!
ill be tradding any suspect properties when i introduce wfp
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If the problem doesnt go away after a few cleans then
just avoid wetting the top frame.
Although this is only practical on single vertical pane windows.
The top frame can still be quickly scrubbed with the damp brush but have the water turned off.
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I have a nightmare property with cream painted frames. The water seems to get into the joints and dissolve the paint or putty. It's a tidy house with recently painted frames. Almost as if they used emulsion and it's still wet.
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The wooden frames are not the problem! the pure water is,
If you run a garden hose on to the same window using tap water you dont get milky patches,
There is a way round the milky patches on wooden frames ;D
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Wash them with a hosepipe and blade them off afterwards obviously.
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The wooden frames are not the problem! the pure water is,
If you run a garden hose on to the same window using tap water you dont get milky patches,
There is a way round the milky patches on wooden frames ;D
I take it you're having a joke here.
If not, I thought I had heard some nonesense talked on here before but this is SOMETHING ELSE!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Winp®oClean
Try it for yourself mate get 2 buckets 1 with pure water and 1 with tap water wash 1 in pure water and 1 with tap water see wich one goes milky!
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Winp®oClean
Try it for yourself mate get 2 buckets 1 with pure water and 1 with tap water wash 1 in pure water and 1 with tap water see wich one goes milky!
Both mate ::)
It's oxidized paint that that mixes with the water, any water. You end up with almost a very weak paint mixture!
This is what causes the "milking"
Dude, I've been wfp'ing these kinds of windows for six years, estate mansions, farm houses etc all with very old, oxidized frames. I've come across them all.
In a lab' situation the pure water might absorb the paint more but when it's being scrubbed with a brush it don't matter what liquid you use it's gonna milk!!!! ;)
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so is there nothing u can do about it then ??? just one of them things?
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so is there nothing u can do about it then ??? just one of them things?
You have two choices-
1. Scrub the top frame like crazy to try & remove all the oxidization. This can be done often but not always if the problem paint is down to the bone.
2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. ;) I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
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thanks m8 ;) will try the 2nd one me thinks ;D got quite a few jobs like that ::)
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Old or unsound paint will dissolve in the pure water, then when the water dries off the paint is left behind as a milky deposit on the glass.
Extra rinsing doesn't help as it just dissolves more paint.
Sometimes the problem goes away after a clean or two.
If it doesn't you have to trad it or leave it.
NO.
You CAN get these clean.
Rinse, Rinse, Rinse then...............
..........................You guessed it
RINSE AGAIN
The water does effect older paint but only when you are scrubbing it, if you give it a really, I mean REALLY good rinse it'll come up just fine.
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True, form b
and dont scrub the frames to hard this only makes it worse,
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thanks guys ;D
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I used to worry about this but in the UK nowadays who has wooden windows? Just do the glass. I have about 2 houses on my round that do and I've now decided I'm not gonna worry about them any more. If they come up good then great. If they don't then they'll have to get someone else if they're not happy. I'm not gearing my round for wooden windows.
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Thanks guys for all your comments,very interesting!Think ill just concentrate on the glass next clean and see what the results are.Hopefully they will be better second time round.
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Wash them with a hosepipe and blade them off afterwards obviously
classic reply, also tell them you are not going to clean them regular tell themto phone you when they need you good regular income and waiting for the phone to ring i think not .but reading most of the posts on here i would guess that 80%of the wc on here do that anyway
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I see the kids were up late last nite!
A well back to school monday
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so is there nothing u can do about it then ??? just one of them things?
2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. ;) I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
On hydrophobic where the water actually is drawn away from the top yes. On hydrophilic where the water stays in contact with the top frame, it keeps milking the top frame. Unless you got some miracle technique you will not get great results on those windows.
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2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. Wink I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
I thought the whole selling point of wfp was we clean frames as well as glass?
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so is there nothing u can do about it then ??? just one of them things?
2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. ;) I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
On hydrophobic where the water actually is drawn away from the top yes. On hydrophilic where the water stays in contact with the top frame, it keeps milking the top frame. Unless you got some miracle technique you will not get great results on those windows.
Yes, Not a miracle, but I've been doing it for 6 years Tim. Lots of my work is rural farm houses, stately homes etc. Most of which have the said offending type windows. ;)
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2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. Wink I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
I thought the whole selling point of wfp was we clean frames as well as glass?
Only if you follow the sheep James.
You'll not sell wfp cleaning frames on these types of windows. ;)
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So we can advertise we can clean you`r frames as well,
but they have to be the right frames and has to be the right type of glass ???
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So we can advertise we can clean you`r frames as well,
but they have to be the right frames and has to be the right type of glass ???
In a word, yes!
I've personally never promoted wfp on cleaning frames, get the glass mint & that's good enough for most. This works best for me as much of my work would be wfp unfriendly if I were to clean the frames! Never had a complaint about it & never had a request to clean them either. I'm bursting at the seems with work to the stage where I'm giving work away, all with ZERO advertising. ;)
I do what works best, not what others say. ;)
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Yep agree do what`s best for you!
personally i have always cleaned the frames trap or wfp
I don`t see the point in having sparkling clean glass and minging frames!
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so is there nothing u can do about it then ??? just one of them things?
2. Clean the glass only. There is a technique where you can successfully clean only the glass & get top results every time. ;) I've been doing this for years, it's a lot easier to show it than write it in text.
On hydrophobic where the water actually is drawn away from the top yes. On hydrophilic where the water stays in contact with the top frame, it keeps milking the top frame. Unless you got some miracle technique you will not get great results on those windows.
Yes, Not a miracle, but I've been doing it for 6 years Tim. Lots of my work is rural farm houses, stately homes etc. Most of which have the said offending type windows. ;)
Please elaborate on what technique you use on those windows. :)
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Have you thought of describing your technique yet Winproclean?
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i clean all frames n panes every time
the only thought i ad was av you got
differant dirt to the rest ov us if so do u
charge accordingling lol ;D ;D
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Have you thought of describing your technique yet Winproclean?
Yes I have Tim, I have done it on here before a few years back, in great detail.
To be honest, I can't be arsed. I could for the right person to help them but this place just seems full of wfp puppies who know it all just lately. Even members who "appear" experienced give advice that's laughable sometimes. It's no wonder it's so full of people having problems, they've been led like sheep by people who are just repeating something that's come from someone who hasn't a clue really.
As you can probably tell, I'm a bit baffled by some of the posts I've read on here lately ::)
My method works perfectly, NEVER had a complaint wfp in 6 years, first cleans take only a tad longer than a normal clean & are never a problem, no runs, no spots just gleaming glass every time ;)
For now I'm taking a step back, not getting involved with clueless advice & just letting the sheep be sheep. ;)
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I'm sorry to hear that. If I came over that way I apologize, I just never seemed to have gotten oxidised windows up perfect.
I was genuinely interested in hearing your method.
Oh well. :-\
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I'm sorry to hear that. If I came over that way I apologize, I just never seemed to have gotten oxidised windows up perfect.
I was genuinely interested in hearing your method.
Oh well. :-\
It wasn't aimed at you Tim, just a general observation of late mate. ;)
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I tend to find painted wooden windows very hit and miss.
Some come up perfect with no trouble at all and others leach milky dribbles down the panes for ages.
Like someone has already said you just have to hang around for a little while and rinse those nuisance panes thoroughly, avoiding the already well cleaned framework.
Sometimes though you just have to accept that the one little trickle that keep coming down from the pane just isn't going to stop. I rinse and rinse and rinse and rinse and just hope it dries to an acceptable standard. Then the next time you clean it should come up well providing you remember where that offending dribble spot is and just clean the glass in that window.
Cheers
Lance
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I'm sorry to hear that. If I came over that way I apologize, I just never seemed to have gotten oxidised windows up perfect.
I was genuinely interested in hearing your method.
Oh well. :-\
It wasn't aimed at you Tim, just a general observation of late mate. ;)
I've tried to find your post, but no luck. Really would be nice if you can send me an email what your technique is. Hope I'm not asking too much.
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I'm sorry to hear that. If I came over that way I apologize, I just never seemed to have gotten oxidised windows up perfect.
I was genuinely interested in hearing your method.
Oh well. :-\
It wasn't aimed at you Tim, just a general observation of late mate. ;)
I've tried to find your post, but no luck. Really would be nice if you can send me an email what your technique is. Hope I'm not asking too much.
It was when I posted under a different name so it could be upto 3.5 years ago. I'll sort something out. ;)
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Thanks very much, I appreciate it. :)