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Title: so called window cleaners
Post by: landy2 on April 07, 2010, 06:32:10 pm
i dont understand people who call themself window cleaners

1 come across cleaners who dont have applicators and squigees

2 cleaners who cant squigee

3 dont have ladders


a lady came out to us today and asked how we clean windows i replied water fed and squigee she asked how do you do balconys i said we go up and do them of a ladder she said her cleaner does not have ladders and just leaves the balcony windows

needless to say we now clean most of this estate nice pick up
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: daz1977 on April 07, 2010, 06:36:02 pm
thats because we can buy a wfp system and then are wc, but if we buy a ionics, then the contracts come to us lol
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: landy2 on April 07, 2010, 06:43:37 pm
if your system packs in dont you work as a proper cleaner can do both
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: daz1977 on April 07, 2010, 06:51:51 pm
i do both, i do trad on my chipys and bungys  try to wfp everytaing else
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: ronaldo on April 07, 2010, 07:04:50 pm
The lads that use wfp round our way are called window washers  :-\
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: james44 on April 07, 2010, 07:16:47 pm
pure vision, totally agree ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: landy2 on April 07, 2010, 07:17:00 pm
if they price a house up and it has a balcony or long flat roof what do they say cant do that window it like a person who is scared of hieghts and saying i will only do bottom windows   COWBOYS
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on April 07, 2010, 07:24:08 pm
if they price a house up and it has a balcony or long flat roof what do they say cant do that window it like a person who is scared of hieghts and saying i will only do bottom windows   COWBOYS


You have to take these thing into account when doing a risk assessment.
if it is unsafe to work from a flat roof then it will usually be left.


Matt


p.s. if my system packs up, I have a back up system.



Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: idealrob on April 07, 2010, 08:44:00 pm
Also the above window cleaners, who climb a ladder and get on & off to balconies, are working illegally.Fact

idealrob
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on April 07, 2010, 08:45:12 pm
i ac a back up if system packs up
its called trad lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: wfp master on April 07, 2010, 09:01:25 pm
pure vision, totally agree ;D
yes well said ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: wfp master on April 07, 2010, 09:04:05 pm
if they price a house up and it has a balcony or long flat roof what do they say cant do that window it like a person who is scared of hieghts and saying i will only do bottom windows   COWBOYS


You have to take these thing into account when doing a risk assessment.
if it is unsafe to work from a flat roof then it will usually be left.


Matt


p.s. if my system packs up, I have a back up system.




what if your back up system fails ?
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: dazmond on April 07, 2010, 09:10:00 pm
matt is one of the wfp cleaners that can trad as well sfcs!! :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: paul rulton on April 07, 2010, 09:22:20 pm
he uses his back up back up system  ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on April 07, 2010, 09:26:37 pm
phones sum one else lol ;D ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: wfp master on April 07, 2010, 09:49:35 pm
matt is one of the wfp cleaners that can trad as well sfcs!! :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
wow thats as rare as hobbie horse sh*t  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: richard jagger on April 07, 2010, 10:01:40 pm
There are many cleaners on this forum that can do trad and wfp.no big deal.Should do both.
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on April 07, 2010, 10:02:30 pm
heres one lol ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: wfp master on April 07, 2010, 10:10:45 pm
There are many cleaners on this forum that can do trad and wfp.no big deal.Should do both.
there are many that cant mick
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: richard jagger on April 07, 2010, 10:12:25 pm
You must be having me on I thought we were all window cleaners? :-X
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: G Griffin on April 07, 2010, 10:12:33 pm
 I`m afraid I haven`t mastered a squigee yet though  :-[
  I can play the bagpipes and use a squeegee but a squigee...no.  
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: supernova77 on April 07, 2010, 10:42:08 pm
I'm going to be pushing inside cleans this year as sooooo many people seem to have a window cleaner who can't do the insides as they can only WFP...

IMO in order to make sure you can do a quality job and provde a full window cleaning service you need to be able to trad as well.

I am WFP but learnt the ropes trad, and still carry a ladder so that I can access flat roofs etc...

Andy
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: idealrob on April 07, 2010, 11:14:27 pm
There are lots of WFP who can do TRAD
But there are lots of trad, who can only do trad
Think about it and its strange true
Who would you call the real window cleaners ?

idealrob
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: TLC on April 07, 2010, 11:26:46 pm
You cant rightly call yourself a window cleaner if you cant trad. wfp is just a tool.

Imagine a carpenter who said i only do hammering but i cant saw wood! Would you call him a carpenter?
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: idealrob on April 07, 2010, 11:41:31 pm
You cant rightly call yourself a window cleaner if you cant trad. wfp is just a tool.

Imagine a carpenter who said i only do hammering but i cant saw wood! Would you call him a carpenter?
But if can can only hammer and not saw wood, what would you call him

but if a trad cant wfp, surely you cant call your self a window cleaner, I can wash leather & scrim, squeege & blade & WFP, so super window cleaner, and can saw and hammer nails. 

idealrob, the window cleaning expert.FACT
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on April 07, 2010, 11:46:47 pm
if they price a house up and it has a balcony or long flat roof what do they say cant do that window it like a person who is scared of hieghts and saying i will only do bottom windows   COWBOYS


You have to take these thing into account when doing a risk assessment.
if it is unsafe to work from a flat roof then it will usually be left.


Matt


p.s. if my system packs up, I have a back up system.




what if your back up system fails ?


IF my back up fails, I would then have no alternative but to use my traditional gear.
but inaccessable windows would be left.
I can clean insides too but IMO I hate doing them. so I don't.
I have been a traditional window cleaner for 13 years and WFP for 12 months.



Matt
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: cleewindows on April 07, 2010, 11:50:39 pm
i can do both.
if my trolley packs up
i have a backpack
if that packs up i do traditional,done a inside conservatory today trad,done a few houses inside trad,doesnt bother me aslong as i get paid! ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: richard jagger on April 08, 2010, 06:05:29 am
T L C I would not call WFP just a tool. I am sure there is a lot of skill involved.One still messes up until you get the hang of it.That is why when you change to WFP it takes you longer than trad because you have not developed the skill.
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on April 08, 2010, 06:27:46 am
Trad for me was easy to pick up.  On the other hand, I foud WFP was harder to master.  Same results, just a different skill, only u need to understand the technology to maintain it.  Not like looking after your bucket :)

No matter the method each one needs its own respect, and to respect the operator.  If the windows gets cleaned, results the sames, then IT IS THE SAME BL**DY JOB !!!  8)

If your carpenter used a trad saw, then went on to use an electric saw and produced sames results, how can he not be called a carpenter.    ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Londoner on April 08, 2010, 07:02:55 am
The only thing you need to be able to call yourself a window cleaner is a pulse. I was watching a window cleaner a couple of weeks back and all he was doing was ragging the windows. Still got paid and thats what counts.
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: gr cleaning solutions on April 08, 2010, 08:43:18 am
I have worked traditional for the the past year but I have just received my backpack and pole stuff this week so ill be out practising at the weekend hoping to master the wfp and I am looking forward to it 
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: JSMC on April 08, 2010, 08:44:55 am
still say if working trad i leave the property knowing the job is good but always have  niggling doubts using wfp
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Jack Wallace on April 08, 2010, 08:50:19 am
if they price a house up and it has a balcony or long flat roof what do they say cant do that window it like a person who is scared of hieghts and saying i will only do bottom windows   COWBOYS
So on this basis you are calling trad only guys cowboys as well. "sorry missis I cant reach above that conny roof"

Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Ian Lancaster on April 08, 2010, 09:18:20 am
The only thing you need to be able to call yourself a window cleaner is a pulse. I was watching a window cleaner a couple of weeks back and all he was doing was ragging  the windows. Still got paid and thats what counts.

That's right.  When I was just trad, lots of my work was by ragging, especially Georgian windows.  If ever I got comments about my method, my answer was: "Are the windows clean?"  The answer had to be "Yes" because they were! I then went on to say that I would rub them with the top of my head if I felt like it but if they were clean afterwards I'd done my job and they had to pay me!!

Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Jack Wallace on April 08, 2010, 09:29:11 am
The only thing you need to be able to call yourself a window cleaner is a pulse. I was watching a window cleaner a couple of weeks back and all he was doing was ragging  the windows. Still got paid and thats what counts.

That's right.  When I was just trad, lots of my work was by ragging, especially Georgian windows.  If ever I got comments about my method, my answer was: "Are the windows clean?"  The answer had to be "Yes" because they were! I then went on to say that I would rub them with the top of my head if I felt like it but if they were clean afterwards I'd done my job and they had to pay me!!


That just about sums it up. We are window cleaners, as long as the end result is a clean window and a satisfied customer what does the method used matter!!!
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on April 08, 2010, 10:52:52 am
We reslly do get some daft threads on here but makes good reading
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: AJ on April 08, 2010, 12:22:09 pm
Can't use a squeegee?

Must take ages doing insides, or don't they do them either.
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: richard jagger on April 08, 2010, 08:58:17 pm
.This without doubt the most common sort of thread on this forum it reapers every month at least
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: gary999 on April 08, 2010, 10:41:04 pm
yawn zzzzzzzzz ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: bad trippy on April 09, 2010, 01:25:30 am
I have 3 back up systems
1, 6" squgee
2, 12" squgee
3  18" squgee
 :D ;) ;D
Title: Re: so called window cleaners
Post by: Window Washers on April 09, 2010, 07:38:33 am
The lads that use wfp round our way are called window washers  :-\
;D