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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: james44 on April 05, 2010, 05:54:09 pm
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Hi how many of you blade after wfp!
I mean give the window a quick blade after you have washed the windows if you don`t you could be loosing out big time!
Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
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how? gonna blade it off after, may aswell do it trad.
if it because some dont like the method with water all over windows for about an hour then just wfp the tops and trad the bottoms to keep those customers happy
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Please tell me your joking.
The whole point of this is to leave the windows wet...you probably make more mess blading them off after...some people really dont have a clue.
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defeats the idea of using pure water and no ladders at at an improved work rate
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Seriously tho:
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Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
You mean "giving"?
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Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
You mean "giving"?
Superb! Lol
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so how are we losing out big time ???
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Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
You mean "giving"?
nice one winp! ha ha!
so you blade every single window afterwards, thus increasing your workload at least by double the amount?
what happens when you leave a streak? you got to get the scrim out!
some people scare me sometimes!
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dear god i thought i came out with some crap
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YOU DO. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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okay girls lets try and act like adults :o ;D
blading every window does seem daft but i
blade the odd downstairs window where streaking
seems to be an ever present problem
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this soooo late 4an april fool :P
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I personally first of all get the ladders out soap all the windows up, then water fed pole them then blade them all off after. Find it the best way
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how do you blade off the windows that are 4 floors up lol
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i have done a couple of problem ones too,takes seconds to do.
okay girls lets try and act like adults :o ;D
blading every window does seem daft but i
blade the odd downstairs window where streaking
seems to be an ever present problem
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we may aswell go back to trad ::)
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we may aswell go back to trad ::)
I trad then leather-off after...mind you I also drive an F reg 2Ltr Ford Capri and my house doesn't have central heating and I watch B&W TV ;D
Can you still actually buy a black and white tv these days?
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seen u in that capri worth dollar
now ;D ;D ;D
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Here you go James44, the perfect tool, ;D
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/new-products/leaves-windows-dry.html
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There is no slip with pure water. to blade this off must be a nightmare.
But I am willing to learn what I am missing out on.
Lee
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dear god i thought i came out with some crap
;D ;D
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no slip?
its easy m8,have a go.
done some internals with pure and bladed,very easy,came up gleaming and got a extra £5 ;D
There is no slip with pure water. to blade this off must be a nightmare.
But I am willing to learn what I am missing out on.
Lee
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seen u in that capri worth dollar
now ;D ;D ;D
Yes, wish i had it now..a right bird puller back in the late 70s
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no slip?
its easy m8,have a go.
done some internals with pure and bladed,very easy,came up gleaming and got a extra £5 ;D
There is no slip with pure water. to blade this off must be a nightmare.
But I am willing to learn what I am missing out on.
Lee
So do I. I use pure with a bit of gg3 in a spray bottle for insides but the only time I bladed a wet water fed window I thought there was no slip.
Lee
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But I am willing to learn what I am missing out on
Finally a positive post,
lee i will post how and why i do this later i am not suprised by the negative posts that this has had,
i had the same response when i started the dial-a-clean thread which has gained me loads of customers! peeps on this forum slated the idea have a look on some of the websites now and see who are now offering 4/8/12 weekly cleans and one offs, i had been saying for months that more customers were likely to change to 8 weekly because of wfp no chance peeps were saying now they are slating this as well yet i am picking up new customers everyday
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when i finally go wfp im not blading any windows done wfp unless they are a problem!why would you spend the money on wfp and just take as long as trad?
surely the main reason for going wfp is to make more money and get round faster and safer as well as doing a more thorough job.(frames/doors etc).
your talking crap james just like your daft "dial a clean" service which is nothing of the sort.its just offering a longer frequency clean which some of us have been doing for years!! ;) ;D
dont take this the wrong way james i admire your enthusiasm but i think your just making more work for yourself! ;D ;D ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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when having a chat with my wife about going wfp she stated having seen somebody useing it < i hate how it leaves the windows wet> now we know it should dry great but the public just have there view of it right or wrong its the way thay view it that counts same as dont clean my windows its raining ....
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when i finally go wfp im not blading any windows done wfp
dazmond you will regret saying that ;D
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when having a chat with my wife about going wfp she stated having seen somebody useing it < i hate how it leaves the windows wet> now we know it should dry great but the public just have there view of it right or wrong its the way thay view it that counts same as dont clean my windows its raining
True mick it`s all about customer service!
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why james? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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James
You could be picking up customers for many reasons but I can not see any benefit in blading off a wfp wet window unless you are specifically asked to do so by the customer. Yes you could sell it as a benefit that ground floor windows are dried off but this is just making work for yourself.
It could also be that you are happier to walk away knowing that the windows are finished to a great standard as they are dry.
Come on fella enlighten me. ;D
Lee
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James44...i thought you were trad?
Turning up at houses with your ladders ready to clean.I have to agree with a previous post about dial-a-clean...from what i read about this you are really just offering potential customers a longer cleaning frequency,which was not the initial concept of a customer just ringing you up when they wanted a clean. ???
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Look at this ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hRj-dSbckM
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This is a contender for post of the year me finks ;D ;D ;D
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Look at this ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hRj-dSbckM
another guy wasting his time!
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I squeegee off a pub sometimes if I've washed the paintwork, but not otherwise.
Oh, actually I do it on a couple of old biddies lounge windows because they're always sat looking out of them and they bead like buggery.
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After a shower i always bath just incase the shower didnt remove all the dirt
Oh dear i'll get me coat :o
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Just changed my mind about WFP !!! What is that guy doing in the vid ??? Might as well use a mop & blade :D
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I think i'm going to run with it as I need more work!
Just watched the vid, pure class.
Lee
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feel free if you want to work more and earn less!
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Actualcleaning i started to wfp tops and trad bottoms
As for the concept well as it happens it so turned out that a lot of window cleaners were as you say already doing this but did they promote in this way no!
because they as they said they were quite happy doing 4weekly when they could have been promoting this and earning more
i advertised dial-a-clean and reeled the customers in and offered the 4/8/12 weekly and the one off`s it`s called smart marketing!
have a look at how big companies advertise to grab customers attention!
I now offer wfp and that your windows will be left dry! that gets their attention
of course you don`t dry every window you will find that most customers are happy to have some downstairs windows left dry ie living room /kitchen and patio doors if they have them or rear window most don`t bother with the upstairs as long as the downstairs are left dry,
Now as i have said i have been picking up lots of work from this because the other cleaners wont do it why? it only takes seconds to blade it off and i don`t mean blading as you would if you were doing it trad just downward strokes is all that is needed and it works as i do it now
now a lot of customers don`t like wfp because windows are left wet and are left to dry by blading them has got me a lot of new customers
I am not the only one doing it around my way was watching a cleaner yesterday doing a commercial building only small one and he was doing the same,
If by blading gets me more work than the other cleaners it is fine by me and i am the dearest cleaner in my area and you only have to do this with the customers that are in,
So actualcleaning start offering this in your area and see just how many new customers you pick up let it be known you will leave their windows left dry!
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That was a good post James and difficult to argue against if I am being honest.
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Thanks ronnie b
You being a experianced window cleaner must see the advantage this gives you over the other cleaners
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I think i'm going to run with it as I need more work
Go for it lee you will pick up customers faster than you would if you were doing it the same way as everyother cleaner the whole point is to offer what no other cleaners offers this will keep you ahead!
Let the others laugh see if they are laughing when its their customers you start picking up!
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Please shut up
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Please shut up
why because you can`t see the benefit or do you just don`t have a clue!
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No because i have been window cleaning long enough to know that its YOU who doesnt have a clue. Lol, what a joke, blade the windows of AFTER your cleaned them. Superb
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I wish i was close to your round and offer my windows left dry see how many customers i take off you ;D
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The ideal is not to have to do anyhing but walk away and let the windows dry naturally.
I'm not suprised at the negative posts really.
I bladed the downstairs on a large house for 8 monthed before they dried naturally without a mark. I find a squeegee and a cloth is just as relevant now i'm wfp for problem windows as it was before. It takes longer initially but i only do it until they dry good without.
The customers are much happier as well.
Its a good idea if you can sell it.
ps ronni b
what does that korean in your profile mean?
sangmyong kaji nomu chalbeum jinjong imnida
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Of course it's a good and new idea that will work on specific windows and customers. Lazy buggers need not take heed, but there is something in this for selected properties. Also as well as totally eliminating the spotting issues, such as busy main road jobs or extremely windy days, you could also work with a tds of a considerably higher ppm than just leaving glass to dry naturally.
This is not for every single job as James has already pointed out, but it does have merit in the right situations.
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I do love the comments & disputes on here at times, & it`s quite hard to decipher the best advice lol. ;D
Has James44 come up with a silly idea, OR has he actually hit on a great idea that some others are using on here, & they don`t appreciate this advice being given because of the risk of creating more competition in their areas ???
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So, the competition read this and frantically start blading - what do you do next?
Surely you are de-valuing yourself now?
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ps ronni b
what does that korean in your profile mean?
sangmyong kaji nomu chalbeum jinjong imnida
Made me laugh that. Done Taekwon do, Korean martial art, for 17 years. My principle instructor made it up for me at my request.
"Life is too short by far to be wasted in any way"
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Surely you are de-valuing yourself now?
It could also be argued that you are are simply staying one step ahead of the pack.
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ps ronni b
what does that korean in your profile mean?
sangmyong kaji nomu chalbeum jinjong imnida
Made me laugh that. Done Taekwon do, Korean martial art, for 17 years. My principle instructor made it up for me at my request.
"Life is too short by far to be wasted in any way"
;D you told me it was on a shampoo bottle and you didnt have a clue what it meant ;D
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Google it then. ;D Was that not my last one in polish or summit?
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So, the competition read this and frantically start blading - what do you do next?
Surely you are de-valuing yourself now?
No mate look at the responce this has had are other cleaners going to do this?
Even when i do trad i do frames as well, other cleaners dont they charge less i charge more and i have the most customers!
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Google it then. ;D Was that not my last one in polish or summit?
probably mate i just googled its definetly korean but what it means i have no idea so i will have to take your word ;D
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Agree with James and Mark.
Customers see it as added value, rather than splash and dash. We have done this for the last 6 years. Time taken is minimal. Customer retention is key.
Leaving things wet causes customers (mainly the husband) to feel ripped off.
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well educate them then ???
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yr either wfp or trad sum ov u guys
not too confident i c im mostly trad n confidant to
say my windys r perfect though wen i wfp i do tend to
mither that they may not dry up perfect sometimes i do feel
the urge to want to squeegee them but av faith ;D
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Actualcleaning i started to wfp tops and trad bottoms
As for the concept well as it happens it so turned out that a lot of window cleaners were as you say already doing this but did they promote in this way no!
because they as they said they were quite happy doing 4weekly when they could have been promoting this and earning more
i advertised dial-a-clean and reeled the customers in and offered the 4/8/12 weekly and the one off`s it`s called smart marketing!
have a look at how big companies advertise to grab customers attention!
I now offer wfp and that your windows will be left dry! that gets their attention
of course you don`t dry every window you will find that most customers are happy to have some downstairs windows left dry ie living room /kitchen and patio doors if they have them or rear window most don`t bother with the upstairs as long as the downstairs are left dry,
Now as i have said i have been picking up lots of work from this because the other cleaners wont do it why? it only takes seconds to blade it off and i don`t mean blading as you would if you were doing it trad just downward strokes is all that is needed and it works as i do it now
now a lot of customers don`t like wfp because windows are left wet and are left to dry by blading them has got me a lot of new customers
I am not the only one doing it around my way was watching a cleaner yesterday doing a commercial building only small one and he was doing the same,
If by blading gets me more work than the other cleaners it is fine by me and i am the dearest cleaner in my area and you only have to do this with the customers that are in,
So actualcleaning start offering this in your area and see just how many new customers you pick up let it be known you will leave their windows left dry!
But James44....you are lying to your customers by telling them that you will leave their windows dry....as you say that you only blade SOME windows....now that to me is not great marketing that is conning people into getting the work.
I had great respect for you on the initial concept of your dial-a-clean theory,but this is just out and out ridiculous.
I suggest to market your business properly that you tell the customers you will leave the windows dry BY USING TRADITIONAL WINDOW CLEANING METHODS..(i.e. mop and squegee)....sorry mate you have lost the plot. ::)
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The only time I personally would consider blading ground floor windows is if there were serious problems with oxidisation. Also, I did do it a while back briefly when there was a danger of a freeze-up on the ground as I wanted to minimise the water usage. Even then it was only the ground floor windows above pathways. IMO leaving windows dry just for the sake of it and to get noticed is just a waste of valuable time and effort. The customer pays for it though because time costs money.
Just to add that there are a few bungalows that I trad clean because I have always done them that way and I couldn't be bothered to convince a small number of elderly people about the benefits of WFP. A couple of those customers struggle to even remember who I am so I wasn't about to sell them the idea of switching to WFP. They're lovely people but, in general, the elderly are a bit more resistant to such changes. Some have embraced it though.
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Hi how many of you blade after wfp!
I mean give the window a quick blade after you have washed the windows if you don`t you could be loosing out big time!
Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
are you allowed to register and post on clean it up from broadmoor ??? ???
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Hi how many of you blade after wfp!
I mean give the window a quick blade after you have washed the windows if you don`t you could be loosing out big time!
Some will think this is a naff idea but i can tell you it is getting me loads of work!
are you allowed to register and post on clean it up from broadmoor ??? ???
Evidently. See you after slop out Barry ;).
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i get the feeling competition is so fierce in most parts of england, and w/c get frustrated, and you will get w/c who will try and use new ideas to win over new customers, if it works between you and the customers fair doos, 99% of customers dont care how it gets done, they just want them cleaned, i have never had one customer complain about wet windows, millions of work here, and no competition,imo you should be wfp or trad no inbeteen, or you may as well do what wagga does with a wagtail and pole,
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if your going to blade everything, u might as well go trad on a pole, i got a custy who wants me to blade her windows after i have done them, as wfp leaves them streaky, i think she ahs been out with a cloth trying to dry the windows, told her, she would have to move some of the stuff in the back yard and front then so i can actually get to the windows as they ok to reach with a pole but cant get to the windows other wise. she didnt seem to happy, might just go back to trad for this house and make her move her two cars so i can get the ladders under the window
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you are lying to your customers
actualcleaning i would think all wfp operators lie to their customers
I mean telling customers it can take 2/3 cleans for them to come good as it can take this long for all the soap to come out of the seals from having them done trad,
Well this is utter rubbish as you know! you can clean a house right first time every time it just takes longer
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you are lying to your customers
Well this is utter rubbish as you know! you can clean a house right first time every time it just takes longer
That's what I do, I would never expect a customer to put up with a half assed job.
Ever.
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Your basically saying to the customer "WFP is crap and doesnt work so i have to blade them off after"
Clever
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james i to was disapointed to read
of course you don`t dry every window you will find that most customers are happy to have some downstairs windows left dry ie living room /kitchen and patio doors if they have them or rear window most don`t bother with the upstairs as long as the downstairs are left dry,
upto that point it was all going so well but if you say you,ll leave the windows dry than you must do so ,i think false statments will lose you custies and looks bad on you
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Agree with James and Mark.
Customers see it as added value, rather than splash and dash. We have done this for the last 6 years. Time taken is minimal. Customer retention is key.
Leaving things wet causes customers (mainly the husband) to feel ripped off.
I am suprised at you Christies,
What it says to me is you have no trust in the way wfp works nor have you bothered to educate your customers.
I know some people would like windows dry and if they ask for that service they can have it, added cost of course most will not want this as they know the job is done and they dry fine.
A note to james, I like your marketing thoughts and your willingness to try out new things.
Can I say your dial a clean service as you named it, has been done for years by many window cleaners, there are something that do not get put on here for good reason, I would say that do not g just named differentet ahead of yourself, you clearly need more work, my advice would be : dont become a busy fool as they are 10 a penny ;)
Keep up the posts as they are a good read ;D
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notgot a clue why that post was auto edited :o there was no name calling, rude words, or anything, just being nice maybe a he ad of yo ur se lf is blocked for god knows what reason :-\ :-X
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And James I was being ironic.
Lee
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And James I was being ironic.
Lee
Better than being Ionic...
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And James I was being ironic.
Lee
Better than being Ionic...
Ionic make serious money I would like there profits
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You have got to be the biggest plonker on the face of the earth if you seriously want to blade water off with wfp ,what a joke
Please stop window cleaning and go and find a job like say a circus clown you daft plonker
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you are lying to your customers
actualcleaning i would think all wfp operators lie to their customers
I mean telling customers it can take 2/3 cleans for them to come good as it can take this long for all the soap to come out of the seals from having them done trad,
Well this is utter rubbish as you know! you can clean a house right first time every time it just takes longer
James that is a rather sweeping accusation to suggest that ALL wfp cleaners lie to their customers.I for one have never implied to my customers that it may take several cleans to come up good.If you spend enough time on first cleans it is possible everytime to get a quality result,so please dont assume we all market our businesses on false promises.
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Like driving on square wheels must be a wind up hehe
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Blading after wfp IS a wind up there`s no other explanation for it
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Give him a break. It`s only a suggestion, you don`t have to do it. It`s not the stupidest thing I`ve read on here either.
I`m sure he also posted it with good intentions.
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Give him a break. It`s only a suggestion, you don`t have to do it. It`s not the stupidest thing I`ve read on here either.
I`m sure he also posted it with good intentions.
You must be in this together, come on be serious
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
We will get to the bottom of this but im still sticking to that it`s a wind up
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Bad advice for new members. Hard enough educating customers
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James, I like the way you "think outside the box"! Just be careful you don't think outside the Solar System ...
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James, I like the way you "think outside the box"! Just be careful you don't think outside the Solar System ...
LMAO ;D ;D
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
We will get to the bottom of this but im still sticking to that it`s a wind up
It could be but it`s no worse than Barry Malletts` tips ;D.
Hermski, I think the weight of opinion against James advice would put off any new members from following it.
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
We will get to the bottom of this but im still sticking to that it`s a wind up
It could be but it`s no worse than Barry Malletts` tips ;D.
Hermski, I think the weight of opinion against James advice would put off any new members from following it.
But Barry's posts are in jest to make us smile
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Where is james do you think he`s wondering why his chocolate fireguard has melted ;D ;D ;D
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
We will get to the bottom of this but im still sticking to that it`s a wind up
It could be but it`s no worse than Barry Malletts` tips ;D.
Hermski, I think the weight of opinion against James advice would put off any new members from following it.
But Barry's posts are in jest to make us smile
James is trying, and fair play to the guy, in a years time he will read and go red from some of his posts, but I am not going to knock his confidence, althought he does need to learn how to listen to people that have already done this, I am not knocking him I love confidence :D
James good for you. just dont make a rod for your back as it will be painful to your business in a year or so from now, take this from someone that pushes the boudaries more than most window cleaners daily.
I have always been told I cant I seem to prove I can, but I have done many of the things you say about and they can be but are not profitable long term experience shows this, I would love you to prove us all wrong fella.
Respectfully
Ian
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it`s not a case of he can`t it`s more a case of WHY ?
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my 1st reply on this was its gotta b an april fool ;D
now i think its just crap ;D
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Why? ;D It doesn`t mean I do it but I`m not bothered if someone else does. It`s up to him and I`m not going to lose sleep over it.
If you think it`s a waste of time and effort, it`s his time and effort.
A simple "no thanks" to his suggestion would do rather than the reaction he got. Some a bit insulting.
We will get to the bottom of this but im still sticking to that it`s a wind up
It could be but it`s no worse than Barry Malletts` tips ;D.
Hermski, I think the weight of opinion against James advice would put off any new members from following it.
But Barry's posts are in jest to make us smile
True, but I think Barry likes to wind the trad boys up too.
James is either winding pole users up or genuinely giving out advice, however misplaced it might be.
Either way, I think the response was a bit much.
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G Griffin, i dont bother about the negative posts i have been on this forum since 2003 and experiance tells me that some of the posters will not be around in 5 years time
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G Griffin, i dont bother about the negative posts i have been on this forum since 2003 and experiance tells me that some of the posters will not be around in 5 years time
I'm shocked you have been on here 7 year James, have you been window cleaning this long also ?
I know I will be here for alot more than 5 years proved this twice already, unless I sell it off make a pretty pound and move my other business' forward.... ;D
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G Griffin, i dont bother about the negative posts i have been on this forum since 2003 and experiance tells me that some of the posters will not be around in 5 years time
I'm shocked you have been on here 7 year James, have you been window cleaning this long also ?
I know I will be here for alot more than 5 years proved this twice already, unless I sell it off make a pretty pound and move my other business' forward.... ;D
And I remember when Ian (WW) was a puppy, awwww, came on here as a property developer amongst other things ;D I even remember when he first went wfp & how he liked a heavy pole as it gave him a good workout! :o ;D :-* :-* :-*
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Yes i have window washers thats why it does not bother me about the negative post as mostly they are from newbies who as i have said will not be around in 5 years time you only have to look at their posts and attitude towards others!
I dont know when you joined ciu but if you remember it was a good forum then,now if you post anything peeps are just to quick to slag you or the post that have posted, this was and i mean was a good forum for helping newbies not anymore!
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G Griffin, i dont bother about the negative posts i have been on this forum since 2003 and experiance tells me that some of the posters will not be around in 5 years time
I'm shocked you have been on here 7 year James, have you been window cleaning this long also ?
I know I will be here for alot more than 5 years proved this twice already, unless I sell it off make a pretty pound and move my other business' forward.... ;D
And I remember when Ian (WW) was a puppy, awwww, came on here as a property developer amongst other things ;D I even remember when he first went wfp & how he liked a heavy pole as it gave him a good workout! :o ;D :-* :-* :-*
still am :D, ;) I did revoke on the really heavy pole as thats a killer, and is for sale lol I have moved alot in the years I went wfp I kick myself for not doing it quicker, but this pup on wfp is now grown up ;)
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Yes i have window washers thats why it does not bother me about the negative post as mostly they are from newbies who as i have said will not be around in 5 years time you only have to look at their posts and attitude towards others!
I dont know when you joined ciu but if you remember it was a good forum then,now if you post anything peeps are just to quick to slag you or the post that have posted, this was and i mean was a good forum for helping newbies not anymore!
James I would not worry about negative people, they are the people that help us, just remember that ;)
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G Griffin, i dont bother about the negative posts i have been on this forum since 2003 and experiance tells me that some of the posters will not be around in 5 years time
I'm shocked you have been on here 7 year James, have you been window cleaning this long also ?
I know I will be here for alot more than 5 years proved this twice already, unless I sell it off make a pretty pound and move my other business' forward.... ;D
And I remember when Ian (WW) was a puppy, awwww, came on here as a property developer amongst other things ;D I even remember when he first went wfp & how he liked a heavy pole as it gave him a good workout! :o ;D :-* :-* :-*
still am :D, ;) I did revoke on the really heavy pole as thats a killer, and is for sale lol I have moved alot in the years I went wfp I kick myself for not doing it quicker, but this pup on wfp is now grown up ;)
Happy days mate. ;) ;D ;D
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so how long u been doing the windys then James44? ;D
thats a bloody long time on here m8 :o u must of been 1 of the 1st ???
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No p.d.r this forum was going long before i joined and was excellent for newbies like i was myself then there are members on here who have been on here longer then me and have been doing windows longer, i learned a lot from this forum it must be hard for a newbie now with so much slagging going on i mean if you don`t agree with a post why slag the idea off the problem for a newbie now is how do they know which is the right and which is wrong
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No p.d.r this forum was going long before i joined
Are you sure?
The oldest members I've seen were from 2003. ???
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Are you sure
Yes i am sure a lot of good members left this forum for it went downhill with the sort of posts that you see now!
As i have said it was a good forum then not wot it is like now!
There was a lot of good window cleaners back then with loads of experiance and were only to willing to help!
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Still here ;D
My first forum was a USA one in 1994 ::)
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Yes you were one of the first ;D
And the old timer is still going ;D
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i was on the interweb back in 85' unfortunately no one else was ;D
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Are you sure
Yes i am sure a lot of good members left this forum for it went downhill with the sort of posts that you see now!
As i have said it was a good forum then not wot it is like now!
There was a lot of good window cleaners back then with loads of experiance and were only to willing to help!
Not my fault. I was annoying people way back in 2005! ;D
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Yes Squeaky i remember ;D
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I think that on an open forum with so many differant views you should expect criticism and derogatory remarks...that's what an open forum has to offer.
If you were fishing for complimentary remarks for your "new" method of cleaning then maybe your friends and relatives would have given you the answers you were looking for!
And lets not forget that previously in the post you made unfound comments abouit how all wfp cleaners are liars,did you not?
Anyway,lets hope that your idea takes off for you and then all of us sceptics can feel the need to grovel and pander to your whims ::)
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lets hope that your idea takes off for you
Actualcleaning it has done already as i have stated on my first post, i mearly posted to let folks know it was working for me and they could be loosing out,
But it is up to others if they wish to try it or not it is getting me work and the good bit about it is customers are calling me and i dont have to go canvassing,
I think that on an open forum with so many differant views you should expect criticism and derogatory remarks
No i dont agree with that statement this only happens on the window cleaning section,
Go over and read posts on the carpet/general cleaning sections do they behave in this way no!
Yes we all have different views and should share them
Criticism and derogratory remarks no! :)
I was going to do another couple of posts on how to guarantee spotless windows & frames on all first cleans first time every time, and in half the time!
and an additive that i use in my bucket when doing trad that brings the windows&frames up gleaming and you cant tell the difference if they where done wfp or trad,
Will i do them now?
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No p.d.r this forum was going long before i joined and was excellent for newbies like i was myself then there are members on here who have been on here longer then me and have been doing windows longer, i learned a lot from this forum it must be hard for a newbie now with so much slagging going on i mean if you don`t agree with a post why slag the idea off the problem for a newbie now is how do they know which is the right and which is wrong
very true James44 :) if im bein honest if i slate something its either i dont agree
or i dont under stand :( mostly the latter :( tryin not do that now :) im tryin 2 change old bad habbits :P not easy. if i keep puttin things down i will never learn :-\
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very true James44 :) if im bein honest if i slate something its either i dont agree
or i dont under stand :( mostly the latter :( tryin not do that now :) im tryin 2 change old bad habbits :P not easy. if i keep puttin things down i will never learn :-\
I'd :) never :D slate 8) someone :P for :-\ using :-* lots :-[ of >:( smilies... ;D ;D ;D
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sorry :( but im not changin that ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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james44 how many staff do you have......
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I get a hair dryer out and blow dry all my windows , i get a ton of work like that custys love it.
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IN 30 YEARS OF WINDOW CLEANING I THOUGHT THAT I HAD MET ALL THE PLANKS I NEEDED TO BUT THIS GUY IS ONE REASON I CARNT BE BOTHERD TO READ ANY MORE CRAP LIKE THIS WFP AND BLADING OFF WHAT A PRATT!!!!!! SORRY BUT COME ON
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I`m convinced it`s the biggest wind up of the year
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I`m convinced it`s the biggest wind up of the year
theres only one way to find out lol ;D ;D ;D
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i think the lammster is in on it ::) ;)
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Getting board of this thread now. Joke over
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i think the lammster is in on it ::) ;)
was quoting cookie lol ;D ;D
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I am not cleaning glass anymore just going to replace all glass its a lot easyer and a lot more cash. Also changing my Business name to Slap Glass refurbishing.I am on to big things, Mates. Dragen Den there I come.
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I have to say only an idiot would blade after cleaning with wfp
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i think this bloke is trying to do everything v different to the rest and bangs on n on about his dial a clean! thats a joke aswell.
he says hes doing v well and fare play to him - but what is doing v well? i suppose thats only your own opinion on how well you think your doing. says he would be able to take alot of customer off other wc cuz he blades the windows after. i bet he wouldnt get a single one of my customers.
i cant see the point in wfp and then blading off at all - its one or the other - simple!
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LSD comes to mind!!!
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I quickly blade easily accessable ground floor windows after wfp on occasions.
I just get a gut feeling that the window wont come up 100% usually because of beading.
Extra time involved in minimal.
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dear god hear we go again. how on earth is it faster to take your blade out then take the water off with it , instead of a 2 second rinse while your brush is there already. you say you will pick loads of work up this way . but your missing 1 big point . i for one dont need any more work especially when its gonna be harder and longer and more pratting about to do . it sounds to me you are really desperate and you will try any ridicolous idea to try and pick some work up . maybe if you did the job properly in the first place you would pick your extra work up from recommendations . you really do come up with the most pathetic ideas .thing is there could be some new guys reading your crap . is that why you offer dial a clean as well cos you cant keep regular custys . nearly forgot have you heard anything on the grapevine lately. ;D
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My view on this is that such customers need educating - not cosseting.
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maybe you should all look at my post dragons den blade off
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i dont generally blade off after wfp but the odd kitchen window or a window i know tends to spot i quickly blade off sometimes.it takes seconds!i have my blade on me all the time!
to scrub a window and then blade off instead of rinsing is madness IMO!you might as well just trad the ground floor windows if your going to do that!!
im 80% WFP /20% TRAD.most of that trad work is ground floor windows that are in tight spaces or in bad condition or dare i say it!customer preference!!but on the whole i dont blade off after wfp.waste of time!! ;D ;D ;D
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ill be out shortly.10 am starts at the moment due to avoiding traffic and frost.(and i like a few hours in the morning to wake up properly!) ;)
fair enough james if you want to blade off after wfp.me personally i cant be bothered!a quick scrub and rinse and move onto the next window!i do wipe down ground floor ledges with a sill cloth and trad some doorway windows which seems to keep the customers happy!
i dont have many problems with leaving the windows wet.a lot of my custies are either out at work or dont care as long as they dry nice and clean! ;) ;D ;D
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Dazmond if you are out working today see how long it takes you to rinse and how long it takes to blade!
Remember i am not talking about blading as if you were doing it trad just downward strokes is all that is needed,
I have my blade attached to the other side of the brush like the reach around,
customer preference!!
Yes dazmond and that is to have the windows left dry!
if you and i were working in the same street both wfp and take the same amount of time on a house and i leave them dry dont you think your customer would be asking questions as to why you have not dried them,
Week after week people post on here and it is usally that they or the customer have dropped them because of the windows being left dry and runs or spotting issues! blading them does away with all these issues!
And it is not just recent posts right back to 2003 there have been many posts where people have dropped customers or they themselves have been dropped because of the issues i have mentioned.
What they should be asking is why you have bladed them.
A number of customer are prejudiced against WFP.
I don't see the point of pandering to such a prejudice really.
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We've been WFP 6 years now and we had similar problems for about 3 of those.
We now no longer squeegee ANY out side windows.
We pratted about with the occasional old folks bungalow who resisted the change, squeegeeing them or drying off the WFP. But we stopped that now, Waste of time, effort and resources.
If I get a complaint nowadays it normally goes:
Cust: "1 of my windows was missed"
Me: "Oh sorry, is it dirty?"
Cust: "No but it's not wet"
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i will try to explain the way i put this into practice!
(1) wash all top windows at the back of the house then do all bottoms!using the brush and blade method at the bottoms only
Move to front and do the same by the time i have finished my last window all the others are dry!
Any akward window like above conservatories i would do the normal brush and rinse
So..........
You do one upstairs window one way and the bedroom next door another?
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If your customer is happy that this window is clean how on earth would they go about complaining about the other windows?
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What a waste of time "blading after WFP" Thats what WFP IS! So you dont have to blade it off!
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Form, its not about the customer complaing about clean windows its about how some customers who dont like the windows to be left wet!
alot of Customers would prefer to have the windows left dry!
Surly if they are happy for 1 window to be left wet.................
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Surly if they are happy for 1 window to be left wet.................
I get what you are saying form, but what i am getting at is the fact that when i have finished a house i am walking away and all the windows are left dry,
like what i have said hereby the time i have finished my last window all the others are dry!
its not about how i leave one window wet and one window dry all windows will be dry when i leave!
Each to their own I suppose.
In my view if 1 way works why use 2?
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I have been wfp for around 6 years and I don’t think I have ever lost a customer due to "windows left wet"
I think the real reason you blade after is because you don’t trust yourself to do the job properly in the first place. You need to learn to trust your equipment; many thousands of pounds and man hours have gone into developing it. AND IT WORKS!!!!
ALL my customers know their window will be wet when I am done, they also know that they will dry within a short time, (they are all sensible adults)
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So what do you do when you blade them dry and it rains 10 mins later ??? ???
This thread has made me chuckle i have been WFP only a few months and i have had no complaints about the windows being left wet i just explain how the system works and they are happy!!
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Hi James .... just to confuse everybody ;D ... even though I squeeged 3 customers windows yesterday I wont be doing anymore .... dont want the rot setting in as they all talk (getting paranoid in my old age) ... like to keep it simples ... wfp or nowt however still do bungalows trad as it suits me to do them that way ... made the decision this morning on way to round otherwise they will all want me to squeegee the ground floor windows and thats not the best way to clean windows IMHO .... one asked me today and said no sorry not the correct way to do it explained pure water all over again and I think it sank in this time.
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So what do you do when you blade them dry and it rains 10 mins later ??? ???
spot on ..... even though I bladed 3 yesterday ... blimey what have I started here ;D ;D ;D
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Hi James .... just to confuse everybody ;D ... even though I squeeged 3 customers windows yesterday I wont be doing anymore .... dont want the rot setting in as they all talk (getting paranoid in my old age) ... like to keep it simples ... wfp or nowt however still do bungalows trad as it suits me to do them that way ... made the decision this morning on way to round otherwise they will all want me to squeegee the ground floor windows and thats not the best way to clean windows IMHO .... one asked me today and said no sorry not the correct way to do it explained pure water all over again and I think it sank in this time.
Good call Ian.
How long before they are asking for the sills to be dried off, and then perhaps the frames as well. You could then go fully trad ;D
We clean windows, some with different methods but the end results are the same clean windows.
James you seem to think that customers prefer dry glass but they all have a choice of who they use and what method. For all your good ideas sometimes I think you over complicate things
Lee
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hes obviously desperate for custys . why not offer to mop the water off the patios and sponge it up off the grass as well, and dont forget to get the hair dryer out and dry the walls. you might pick 1 or 2 new custys up
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is that a Barry Mallet WFP top tip ?? ;D ;D ;D
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hes obviously desperate for custys . why not offer to mop the water off the patios and sponge it up off the grass as well, and dont forget to get the hair dryer out and dry the walls. you might pick 1 or 2 new custys up
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james you do sound desperate for work with these pretty daft ideas!!SCRUB AND RINSE THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WINDOW!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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blading after is just bad business,
it shows no confidence in the concept of pure water
its slower
your useing more equipment = more overheads
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blading after is just bad business,
it shows no confidence in the concept of pure water
its slower
your useing more equipment = more overheads
= more numptyheads
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getting around ppls gardens with you pole hose getting caught on a slab thats 3mm to high is annoying enough let alone lugging a trad pole and squeeggee.