Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JoeLac on August 03, 2005, 01:14:12 pm
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Hi,
I am looking for the best portable carpet cleaner. I have been looking at the Alltec machine, how do these compaire?
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Hi Joe
i use the Advantage machine and find it to be excellent,but remember that any of the machines out there perform great , as long as the operator knows the proper steps in how to clean carpets, it's not just about your eqiupment.
but that said, and im sure you are qualified, then i found the alltec advantage to be an excellent choice, also their back up service is good as well in case of any unforseen problems
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hi
i also use the advantage never had a problem great machine
probably break down tomorrow now
cheers nick p
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I have an Alltec Professional Plus which has served me well for 2 years.
Great machine and its coming up for sale very soon.
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I have had an Alltec Pro Plus for four and a half years and it has been great. If you have an emergency breakdown Chris will repair it while you wait. It takes me an hour to get there so I can be back to work within three hours!!
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Chris is a diamond. Had to go back with my TM from time to time, and Chris and his team have been great.
Cant fault them.
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ninjas are very good machine as are eclipse, if i had to choose i prob go for ninja as it has powerfull built in heaters were as eclpise dos not
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Hi,
With regrads to the eclipse heaters you can get external heaters that will give you very high heat more than the ninja, the reason is that the eclipse has to use an external heater is that is packed with three vac motors and you can have up to 1,000 psi pump. you lose some vac power with the 1,000 psi but the 500 is great.
you can not compare the two machines. the differ in spec and price. the eclipse can be used from your van as it will work upto 150ft away from the machine. this is great if you are only doing a lounge say.
If you are local to essex you can have a look at my eclipse any time.
plus one very important thing you should consider when buying a machine is back up. you will not find better that Solution.
Respect
Ian Harper
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hi, u can get the ninjas doing steam ian, i hav one with two built in heaters and it will do over 100ft of hose with ease u get lot more for u money with the ninja in my opion , and it all runs of two leads weres the eclipse u hav to plug in two leads then carry in a heater plug it in then connect to line what a pain , just my opion also vac power on ninja is about 230 water lift weres a eclipse is i think about 240 so not lot diff and ninjas are cheaper
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Joe,
The Alltec Advantage is a good allround machine and also runs off two leads.
Any machine can be boosted by using a seperate in line heater but it is a pain with all the leads.
Also Alltec are a good service company and their machines are British so parts are regularly available.
A lot depends on where you are located , Alltec is near J10, M11 Solutions are in Cornwall and Ninjas are sold by ashbys in Kent.
Other options are the Prochem range which are serviced by a string of distributors.
Cheers,
Doug
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I repair most machines in the Midlands as well as clean. I keep a lot of Alltec spares and motors most of the time unless there has been a run. If I am at home then I'm open.
trevor
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Hi Guys
First I respect all your views
With respect to spare parts, the Eclipse has a tray that just pulls out with all the pumps and motors on it and this can be sent to Solutions.
Solutoions keep spare machine so that if one does go down they can over night you a spare tray and pick your up at the same time so you lose less down time. Distance is no problem in this day and age and the eclipse has been built with this in mind.
I for one dont want to get involved in repairing my machine. leave that to the pros.
most times its hard to knoe if you are getting good customer service from your machine provider as you only deal with the one that you got the machine from. most give ok service I have used all four and Solution has been the best in my opion.
I believe that the eclipse in one of two portables that are what i would call new generation machines.
Respect
Ian Harper
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Hi All
I Have an Anvantage and a Eclipse, and used to have a Ninja and they are all very good machines.
At the moment I am run of my feet ::) getting landlords house's ready for the students who arrive back in Cardiff in a few weeks. I am using the Eclipse to do this and leaving it on the back of the van like a t/m , some times I run 200ft of hose from my Eclipse and this is not a problem for it!
One thing I do not Like about the Eclipse is emptying it! to me it is not a very good design. I have told Nick about this and tells me he will work on changing in, but for know it looks like I will have to get the auto dump for it.
My Eclipse had a problem with it about a week ago :o I rung Solutions at 3.10pm and told them of my problem. as they know how busy I
am at the moment the next day at 8:30am the was a new Eclipse at my door which they had sent at there cost for a special early delivery ;D ;D
Regards
Gavin
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i believe the top of the range ninja is the best and most advanced portable machine u can get ,also these machines are put together here by guys who hav been building them for over 10 years not just inporting them here and selling them on for vast markups like some firms who are yet to prove their cust back up .
cheers gary
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can you get a hose in 100ft length if so where to and in ref to gavin do you keep going out to fill the machine up we
have an eciipse and have never thuoght about leaving it in the van but sounds great mate simon and frank the dynamic duo of carpet wizards...
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Its funny how some of you think your portable is the best until you try something different.
I have owned a Ninja, Advantage and Pro 500.
The advantage is better than the Ninja as its vacuums are in parallel which means quicker dry times. The heater (element) gets to 90 rather than 70 with the Ninja. It has bigger tanks and looks better and is easier to use as the switchs are on the top and the leads are longer. The Ninjas pros are its lighter and more robust being plastic and theres more options. The advantages only negitive is that its pump is too small, only 135psi.
If I where you I'd only look at an eclispe or recoil as your main machine. Ive seen both and have the recoil on order.
BTW I dont believe you can go over 50-75ft with the above portables and still maintain a decent dry time unless a very dry day. And thats from experience. I also dont think the recoil or eclispe can run 150ft and still maintain peak performance. Try before you buy.
Mark
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i believe the top of the range ninja is the best and most advanced portable machine u can get ,also these machines are put together here by guys who hav been building them for over 10 years not just inporting them here and selling them on for vast markups like some firms who are yet to prove their cust back up .
cheers gary
You dont have a clue what your talking about ;D ;D
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UMM ::)now i thought the ninja was imported, can be seen all over the web, in different parts of the world,called all different things! yes the eclipse/recoil are imported, so what, so are mercedes, if i get the back up, i couldnt care less where it was born! and yes alltec are very good with there cust service, but the chap in cornwall, well you know what i am going to say ;D
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Mark,
I am just wondering how many machines you buy a year?
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i hav used all the top spec portables over a 10 year period and do know bit allgee or what ever u are called, i hav allways run my portables out of my van and the setup i hav just installed has no prob whats so ever cleaning at 100ft plus and still getting great results in drying and cleaning with the inbuilt heaters giving burst of steam , now lets be serious this ninja cost way under £3000 its spec is this
2x3stg heavy duty vacs (230 water lift )
400psi induction pump with pressure control and flow control
3 kw pre heater adjustable with safty cut off
3 kw steam mate heater adjustable upto 110 c
auto fill
auto drain with 25ft hose
50 ft power leads
now whats the diff between this and a eclipse , it has one more 2 stag vac yes it is slighty more powerfull but it hardley shows it has 100 more psi on pump to me this dont make lot diff because i never clean over 300psi
nor do most , i hav looked at all the top range setups and cannot c why u are raving about this eclpise and yes i hav seen one, all has got is a third vac but be cause of this u cant hav any heaters there is nothing advanced about this machine whats so ever and i challenge any one who is running a eclipse from thier van to prove me wrong
p.s for the person who thinks he is clever ,yes i know ninja is imported here but ashbys custom build here they basc just get the outer skin and rebuild them
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Hi guys,
I went for the Advantage and have found it significantly better than the Extracta Exel .
As for the in line heater these can be used on any machine providing the hose is of sufficent quality.Alltec supply 3000psi.
One of the reasons for my decision was location and the service offered on repairs.
Another was the ability to reduce the weight by 40% for those difficult to get to jobs.
As for the Eclipse I decided against because of its weight and the fact I prefer an in tank heater.In my view all those wires look unprofessional.
I have not tried the Recoil but would like to.
Access problems persuaded me against a truckmount at this stage so this would also rule out using portable as a truckmount.
Ashbys have not always had the best service record on this forum , but it is nice to see some positives coming through.
Price was also a consideration and here I thought the Advantage also scored.
This is a good thread , keep the constructive comments coming.
Cheers,
Doug
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You dont have a clue what your talking about (still)
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Mark
Why are you buying a recoil. I thought you bought your CFR 500 at Milton Keynes at the same time as I bought my pro400 only 3 months or so ago. Have you not been happy with it and if not can you please tell us why.
Regards Michel
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dave if u cant hav a debate on here without getting chidish and rude then dont post mate! i think its u who ant got clue ;D comments i hav made on here are fact all best gary
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Dave,
I can't see why you are digging at Gary.
It seems a well thought out personal opinon.
Because of the electrical consumption the Advantage sacrifices an extra vacuum for in machine heat , whereas the Eclipse sacrifices the in tank heat for an extra vacuum.
The Ninja is similar to the Advantage but a better pump amd is inbetween price wise.
Surely a personal choice.
The Eclipse is also considerably more expensive.
You pays your money yo makes your choice.
Cheers,
Doug
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If you apply logic to joe`s origional question, what does he want to do with it?, for the best machine but with the wrong solutions and a poor opperator spells disaster.
Barry
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i am not having a dig at any one, just pionting out a few errors in thought, i Have an alltec advantage a very good machine, but you say it has 2 power leads, it only has one! the ninja is not a british machine, it is american, it is also sold world wide under different names, and i personally dont belive it to be any where near as good as the eclipse/reciol,in performance and no,where near as good on after sales service.just look at the various threads regarding ashbys after sales.
But i stress these are just my thoughts ;D
P.S has R.K changed his screen name ::)
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hi never said ninja was british , i said they import the shell from usa and then build the guts them self to each cust wants, also dave could u tell me why u think it comes nowwere near a eclipse or reciol machine just out intrest cheers gary
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Hi Guys,
My Advantage has two leads so I can heat and clean.
I much prefer this option.
cheers,
doug
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My advantage had two leads.
The recoil is more powerful than the Ninja - 1, more flow from the pump, 2 - extra vacuum, 3- vacuums in parallel which does make a difference.
Regarding price girls lets be honest. A machine will last for say 3 years and could earn you £150k plus so lets not take issue if the machine is £2k or £4k its how much more efficient it makes your job.
Mark
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Mark a good and valid piont,and it really does come down to what your more comfortable with, personally i love my alltec machine,and the service i get from them, and mine has one lead, i prefer to wait for the water to get to temp,then i can give a even clean, but i will be getting a recoil, the idea of not having to take the machine out of the van(most times) appeals to me, the pump size/flow rate, and the vac power combined with the booster box mean that i coud run 200 ft o hose if needed.
Once again i am not having a pop at any one,calm down girls for gods sake
Dave
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i believe the top of the range ninja is the best and most advanced portable machine u can get ,also these machines are put together here by guys who hav been building them for over 10 years not just inporting them here and selling them on for vast markups like some firms who are yet to prove their cust back up .
cheers gary
You said "i believe the top of the range ninja is the best and most advanced portable machine u can get "
My opinion-Its far from hi-tec, please explain what you consider to be state of the art about the Ninja?
You said "not just inporting them here and selling them on for vast markups like some"
My opinion-Do you actually know the costs incured by the companies importing the Eclipse and Recoil? The mark up is actually very little.
You said "firms who are yet to prove their cust back up"
My opinion- Come on!! I think virtually everyone on here can vouch for Solutions second to none customer service.
Regards
Paul
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Mark,
Have you sold your Pro 500?
If so, Why?
Just curious.
Regards
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hi do u know their markup then ? i doubt it any good bizz person wouldnt tell u there mark up , i personally think the build q of top range ninjas is very good ,tell me what the "state of the art" eclpise and recoil has what the ashbys top machine dont hav ? as regards to state of art, also how do u come to recon that every one on here says their service is the best ? i for one hav not used them so cannot comment they (ecplise firm) is very young firm and sales are prob low compared to a older firm like ashbys so ecplise firm can prob giv better serivice as they are not as busy just my thoughts cheers gary
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Ask Steve Gunn who provides the better customer service, Ashbys or Solutions? As he has owned both machines and
if my memory serves me correctly, Ashbys customer service was regulary the butt of a number of jokes here on the forum ;D
I wouldnt be at all surprised If Solutions uk out sells Ashbys you should give them a try 8)
Paul
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I have no qualms in recommending the Ninja (forget the dry solvent waist of money) have seen local competition use the word state of art machine brain washed newbie’s but a selling point to the customer.
Problems you have rights under the sale of goods act we are talking new or under warranty, if you stand the three-card trick from them more fool you! How ever nice they may or not seam!
One begs the question eclipse/recoil can one-source components elsewhere in the UK?
Suggest you look at your competition not the half price ones.
http://www.vacuumcleaners4u.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1739&ref=www.kelkoo.co.uk
Len
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EE BAH Gum, tha arum'n Len!!
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Is the Advantage still only available with a 135 pump
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I wouldnt be at all surprised If Solutions uk out sells Ashbys you should give them a try
Haven't we done this topic before?
Considering the Prochem Steempro range probably outsells both by 20 times I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet.
I do hope a lot of you guys are around in 10 years time so we can do a poll and see how many of you have hernias!
As I've said before, portables should be portable and not enough people take account of how much some of these machines weigh!
Regards
Mike
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but why sacrifice perfomance,for a lighter machine?
just get a ramp, most of us arnt getting any younger anyway ;)
Dave