Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: expro on April 03, 2010, 12:34:54 pm
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Have the directors of C.L.E.A.N Broken the following rule?
This forum should not be used to promote your own products and/or services.
If so should they be Expelled?
Expro
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He's got a point.
John
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John
I think I have.
Would just like other views.
Expro
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Why would you have an agenda for trying to get a person or person's expelled? Wasn't aware the forum had a new moderator.
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No agenda just asking a valid question.
Expro
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I agree with you expro.
Don't seem like too many people want to stick their head
above parapet though.
John
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Hi John.
I agree,
Maybe it's too controversial.
Expro
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There is also the viewpoint that our industry's forums are there to both educate and inform. A new trade association within our specialist industry, along with it's membership requirements, is a major event and so should quite rightly be debated.
In principal, if this type of debate was censored, there'd be an uproar.
I feel that the moderators here, who have a difficult judgement call to make, have got the balance about right.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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Ken,
Up to a point you have a point BUT in this case I feel that from the beginning of the first thread
about alternatives to the NCCA the members of clean it up have been manipulated by a few
individuals.
Expro
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it is a bit of a gray area, is CLEAN a 'product' or A 'service'? I interpreted 'promotion of a service or product' to mean it is done for financial gain, if I thought CLEAN was about creating profit for the directors then I would delete every topic they started, but I don't think it is.
even if they did break the rules. expulsion would be a bit harsh ;)
higher powers than me have surely read the continuous saga of CLEAN and have see fit to allow it to run so who am I to disagree :)
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i don't think they should be banned, there all good contributers to the forum. and its not like the forum owners are starting up an association so don't see the problem. ive had a lot of help of steve and the others so why would i want them banned. sounds like sour grapes if anyone does.
don't see the problem in promoting anything thats good for the industry as long as it doesn't go against anything that the forum owners are planning / selling / advertising, etc......
bring back kev loomes, he never did ewt wrong either. that software has helped alot of CC's out there, just cos he's making money out of it shouldn't warrent a ban.
thats my 2 penneth anyhoo
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Expro, you posted as I was typing :) :)
I disagree with you about manipulation, I don't think anyone has been swayed either for or against by what has been posted by some members. contrary to popular believe most carpet cleaners are not a bunch of thickos who cannot see the real motives behind some post. no matter how much promotion clean gets (or how much slagging off) we can make up our own mind whether it is a good idea.
mike
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it is a bit of a gray area, is CLEAN a 'product' or A 'service'? I interpreted 'promotion of a service or product' to mean it is done for financial gain, if I thought CLEAN was about creating profit for the directors then I would delete every topic they started, but I don't think it is.
even if they did break the rules. expulsion would be a bit harsh ;)
higher powers than me have surely read the continuous saga of CLEAN and have see fit to allow it to run so who am I to disagree :)
Mike
I believe it to be both a product and a service.
Are we to believe that the directors will not gain from services [training etc]
I also understand that they are considering launching own label products.
Will the profit from these be given to the membership?
Perhaps someone from C.L.E.A.N would like to comment.
Expro
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This can either be made easy or complicated. Easy is to just ignore any discussion about CLEAN (starve the oxygen of publicity), complicated is to go on and on and on (no such thing as bad publicity). Doubt it will happen but, CLEAN is a reality, learn to live with it and stop moaning about every little thing. There are plenty who covertly advertise on CIU and no one bat's an eye.
For the record, as Derek posted, I have met Steve and one or two other's from CLEAN. I have no issue with any of the people involved and wish them nothing but success.
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This can either be made easy or complicated. Easy is to just ignore any discussion about CLEAN (starve the oxygen of publicity), complicated is to go on and on and on (no such thing as bad publicity). Doubt it will happen but, CLEAN is a reality, learn to live with it and stop moaning about every little thing. There are plenty who covertly advertise on CIU and no one bat's an eye.
For the record, as Derek posted, I have met Steve and one or two other's from CLEAN. I have no issue with any of the people involved and wish them nothing but success.
As I said earlier I do not have an agenda about clean.
I was only asking a question, and to put the record straight I neither agree nor disagree with clean.
The question is about Clean it up.
Expro
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I persoanally dont agree with you
promoting something for ones financial gain is against the rules. eg promoting your website business for example. not promoting a new organisation.
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Are we to believe that the directors will not gain from services [training etc]
I also understand that they are considering launching own label products.
Will the profit from these be given to the membership?
You have made 2 statements that are news to me, can you back that up?
Overall by asking the 3 questions you have now given CLEAN no choice but the right to reply which is something you are trying to stop ::) Make up your mind.
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Are we to believe that the directors will not gain from services [training etc]
I also understand that they are considering launching own label products.
Will the profit from these be given to the membership?
You have made 2 statements that are news to me, can you back that up?
Overall by asking the 3 questions you have now given CLEAN no choice but the right to reply which is something you are trying to stop ::) Make up your mind.
Neil,
This is about rule breaking and not an attempt to stop CLEAN.
Expro
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But you're asking questions, which if they answer one of them (products) would fall into the trap of promoting something, although as I said is news to me.
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Speaking of forum rules.........
Where can one find the lovely pictures which were posted last night of those ladies showing off their buffalo gums??
Moved or deleted?
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Have the directors of C.L.E.A.N Broken the following rule?
This forum should not be used to promote your own products and/or services.
If so should they be Expelled?
Expro
My opinion is no, every member who puts a link on here to a website is either promoting or selling services, members who advertise on here in the buy/sell to buy/sell equipment are doing the same. A recent example is that cleaners mate has been advertised on here many times, website services have also been promoted, why ban someone for doing this? Its just advertising something that may/can/will help a sme.
Regards,
Paul
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paul
dya want your driveway cleaning? for free
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Not if its with the hetty ;D
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Mike
I believe it to be both a product and a service.
Are we to believe that the directors will not gain from services [training etc]
I also understand that they are considering launching own label products.
Will the profit from these be given to the membership?
Perhaps someone from C.L.E.A.N would like to comment.
Expro
Right, this will be my only post about this tonight because I am going out - so for the record and so that there is no misunderstanding between us ..........
The Directors will not gain from training, membership or any other money that CLEAN generates - OTHER THAN if we happen to work on any of the contracts CLEAN wins (we are working carpet cleaners after all)
CLEAN is a non-profit making limited company - all monies earned or received will be ploughed back into PR to raise customer awareness. The PR company is already in place.
Secondly, and can we put this to bed once and for all - WE WILL NOT BE LAUNCHING ANY OWN LABEL PRODUCTS.
If the moderators don't want us to post any more on Clean it up, then thats fine by me - I can do without the aggro, cynicism and loaded questions.
Have a good evening all.
Steve
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The Directors will not gain from training, membership or any other money that CLEAN generates - OTHER THAN if we happen to work on any of the contracts CLEAN wins (we are working carpet cleaners after all)
Steve,
Thank you for that.
Expro
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As a supplier to carpet cleaners of leaflets and websites my companies have been mention on 100's of occasions on this board
and admittedly over the last several years I have made money from sales achieved because of postings on this site..
I have never posted myself only commented on what other members have said about my company. If somebody is offering a new product or service
that can help carpet cleaners achieve better profits then I believe this is a good thing.
A Forum is a double edge sword to suppliers it will make a lot of carpet cleaners aware of your product very quickly
but if the product doesn’t live up to expectations or doesn't preform as stated then it can quickly become unpopular
and quite rightly so ..
A Trade forum like this is to share your experience both in marketing and also to review and recommend or criticize
products you have tried yourself after all you have to use machines and chemicals to carry out your trade.
The root concept of a forum is to advise and steer your fellow cleaners down the most profitable route for there
business and not just to slag people off because you may have a personal vendetta or dislike of them.
Remember this forums is a life line to new carpet cleaners , who have probably invested all their redundancy money in
trying to start a business in the cleaning industry.
My advice is to stop backbiting each other and start helping each other again with constructive an well meaning advice
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Thats one of the soundest posts I've read on here
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Yes I agree John I TRY to only constructively critiscize if I have an alternative idea, that is workable.
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As a supplier to carpet cleaners of leaflets and websites my companies have been mention on 100's of occasions on this board
and admittedly over the last several years I have made money from sales achieved because of postings on this site..
I have never posted myself only commented on what other members have said about my company. If somebody is offering a new product or service
that can help carpet cleaners achieve better profits then I believe this is a good thing.
A Forum is a double edge sword to suppliers it will make a lot of carpet cleaners aware of your product very quickly
but if the product doesn’t live up to expectations or doesn't preform as stated then it can quickly become unpopular
and quite rightly so ..
A Trade forum like this is to share your experience both in marketing and also to review and recommend or criticize
products you have tried yourself after all you have to use machines and chemicals to carry out your trade.
The root concept of a forum is to advise and steer your fellow cleaners down the most profitable route for there
business and not just to slag people off because you may have a personal vendetta or dislike of them.
Remember this forums is a life line to new carpet cleaners , who have probably invested all their redundancy money in
trying to start a business in the cleaning industry.
My advice is to stop backbiting each other and start helping each other again with constructive an well meaning advice
Yes the forums are a lifeline for newbies , who have invested redundancy money or like me taken out a loan to make a new start, for me leaving a job that i hated, i honestly dont know how i would have managed without the forums and the help provided almost daily, i would never have considered carpet cleaning without the forums :)
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ok - my views on CLEAN
it was discussed on here long before i came and as i see it, it is a subject you guys want to know about and discuss and the organisers of it certainly arent gaining (IMO) financially from it at this point and certainly wouldnt for a very long time
its a new trade ass and i think its right people can consider it and use it to promote their business if they wish and it opens up a good debate on the NCCA etc etc
expro - the rules are here for a reason, we dont want all you members bombarded with companies trying to sell their goods that none of us know anything about - one very good case of this was Global Communications who got on here before Christmas (before i was here!!)
before they were spotted and deleted they immediately started trying to sell their telephone numbers and solicit members much to the frustrations of many. Then as many of you will now be aware - they went into liquidation in the last few weeks causing massive disruptions for many people who had their services. If this forum was a free for all and any Tom, Dick and Harry was allowed on here to solicit you, i am sure you would then have an opinion on it if that company let you down!
my point is the rules are here for a reason - TO PROTECT YOU! however, we do have to make a call on some topics and let them run when we think they are worthwhile
all i am asking is everyone repects everyone else and considers their postings. I dont want topics started simply to incite arguments and Expro i think you were certainly looking to do that with this post - if you have issues please contact me directly and i will deal with them
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Good shout JW. And respect for telling it like it is.