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Title: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Alun Whyte on April 01, 2010, 05:41:11 pm
Got phoned last week from a bloke needin windows cleaned 6 bed house,  flash part of town. While on the phone he asks am i insured and do i use WFP i reply yes to both and arrange to give him a quote. Turn up 2 days later and quote him £70. Again he asks about insurance and to see a copy, which i show him. Happy with that he insists i use WFP and can i do it that day. Not about to look a gift horse in the mouth i say i will do it now.
Set up the WFP and get started 10 mins later the bloke says he is off out and can i come back the following night for my money. No probs. Return the following night and the bloke refuses to pay says ive put a large score on an upstairs window and will need to pay for that. Get the bloke to show me and he points out a 6 inch score bout 1mm deep. Tell him there is no way WFP kit has done that and refuse to pay.
He now tells me his missus is a solicitor and they know their legal position, i tell him if she is a solicitor she will also be familiar with the term GBH. upset he tells me to leave minus my £70.
Any way got me thinking has this type of scam been tried on anyone else and also when quoting we should really have a good look over the windows before starting the job. Thats the problem with WFP you cant see that type of thing from the ground.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Darranvps on April 01, 2010, 05:46:10 pm
Theres always somebody out there trying to make a quick buck, especially to us window cleaners :(
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: cleewindows on April 01, 2010, 05:52:54 pm
lol what about a few mice through his letter box.
a few pizzas too
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: bobplum on April 01, 2010, 05:58:46 pm
take it to the small claims court,even if costs a bit more dont let them get away with it
bob
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: TLC on April 01, 2010, 05:58:57 pm
pooor mice!

How about printing a short account of what the cheap skate has done and post it to all his neighbors. inc him.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: prestige cleaners on April 01, 2010, 06:01:01 pm
i would counter sue, he cant prove you have done it. take him to a small claims court.

theres some scum bags about mind, hope you sort him out mate, keep us posted.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: williamx on April 01, 2010, 06:07:43 pm
It sounds like a insurance scam, what I would do is take photos of your brush head showing that there is no part of it that can damage glass, if you can start to use another brush head and kept this one for the court case if there is one.

Next you send this photo plus a letter stating that you would welcome a court case, and point out to them that they will have to show the court how plastic can scratch glass?

I would also inform them that they have 7 days to settle the monies that are owed to you, if they don't then you will be taking a county court judgement action against them which will be recorded against them on their credit file, I would also say that if they do not pay within 28 days of the county court judgement you will be passing the debt onto the court bailiffs.

I would also point out on the letter that this is no bluff, if they take no notice then go ahead with it.

I can guanrantee that they will pay up straightaway

Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Alun Whyte on April 01, 2010, 06:15:06 pm
Thanks for all the advice lads, Thought this forum was meant to save you money. So far today ive lost my £70 ordered 4 large pepperoni pizzas from Dominos £40, 2 bags of tacks, Grasseed and a can of spraypaint from B+Q £30 and had the kids in tears cause ive taken their mice!!!

Think i got the dominos bit wrong guess he was meant to pay for them eh!!!

Keep the suggestions coming though
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: JSMC on April 01, 2010, 06:16:32 pm
was also asked about insurance once and alarm bells ringing straight away.

name and shame also do what the m,an city fans done to the man uts fan whot thre wbottle at bellamy LOL

FOOTBALL'S coming home for the Manchester United fan accused of throwing a coin at Man City striker Craig Bellamy.

In fact, it's coming right to his front door.
For Red Devils supporter Adam Teese is feeling the flipside of his alleged coin attack - with furious City fans bombarding his house with pranks.
Adam's name and address were released by police after the season ticket holder was charged with throwing a coin at Bellamy during the Manchester derby last week.

And within 24 hours, the enraged blue half of Manchester had ordered him £150-worth of pizzas, a skip, rat exterminators and TWO PROSTITUTES.

The barrage of jokes didn't end there either. City supporters also:

Ordered him a bronze statue of WINSTON CHURCHILL.
Sent a salesman to estimate the cost of an INDOOR SWIMMING POOL.
Booked him a performance by SQUEAKY THE CLOWN.

As well as a bouncy castle, a call from an Avon representative, a breakdown truck and a puppet show, he was also treated to a 1957 Pink Cadillac complete with Elvis-style chauffeur.
But dad Joseph, 55, raged: "We've had no end of trouble - I've had to take time off work to deal with it."
Teese will appear before Trafford Magistrates on February 9 accused of "throwing a missile on to the pitch" during the Carling Cup Semi- Final second leg at Old Trafford.
Mum Deborah insists her son is innocent, adding: "I was sat next to him and he did not throw anything. We actually had to duck when a bottle was thrown over us!"
Last night a Greater Manchester Police spokeswoman said: "Officers are investigating the incidents."

I just copied and pasted this - made me laugh so thought I would share the funny side of bad behaving football fans

i'm sure hookers amd all sorts were turning up LOL
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 01, 2010, 06:30:35 pm
Send him a letter saying if payment is not recieved within 7 days the debt will be passed on to a third party!!

Or take a walk past his drive with a syringe full of nitromorse!!
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: AuRavelling79 on April 01, 2010, 06:32:51 pm
A few handfuls of grass seed in his flower-beds and hanging baskets should also help to ease the pain  ;D

That's thoughtful - nice grass growing for him. If his car tyres look a little hard then perhaps let some air out for him so that the tyres don't wear in the middle. And if his drain is overflowing you could help him out with some quicksetting concrete down it.

If you were to wash his door as a goodwill gesture and his letterbox leaked that would be a kindness to show him where the leak lies.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: sparklebright on April 01, 2010, 06:35:53 pm
It may be a kindness to put wd40 on his window hinges, from the outside.
I am sure if you spray enough some will go in... ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: sparklebright on April 01, 2010, 06:38:55 pm
I cleaned a house with leads once, and one or two of them were loose.
After I had done a couple I stopped and drew the dodgy lead to his attention. Though I am sure he must have known, as it was swaying in the wind!
The man asked if I was insured. I explained that of course I was, but that it would not cover the glass I had just cleaned.
Oh he said, thanks, I walked away.
I feel sure he was trying it on.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: prestige cleaners on April 01, 2010, 06:45:57 pm
someone once mentioned superglueing all door locks? very tempting.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on April 01, 2010, 07:05:19 pm
don't admit to anything.

Are you sure u did not inspect the windows before you cleaned.  And are you SURE you did not spot the scratch before you cleaned ?????  your word agaisnt his.  The fact he asked to see your paperwork wouild lay suspicion with him  hmmm wink wink
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on April 01, 2010, 07:30:01 pm
Is it possible to report the scam, and if she is a solicitor I wonder if they can be struck off for being involved with this scam. 

Find out if she works for a law company and threaten to report her to her partners.

Oh, and maybe next time you go to there house, make sure you trip up on there land, and sue their arses off
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: michael papworth on April 01, 2010, 08:09:10 pm
pooor mice!

How about printing a short account of what the cheap skate has done and post it to all his neighbors. inc him.

I'd go for this approach.  You mustn't let this filth get away with it. We're hard-working, decent blokes and we deserve to be paid for the work we do.

It is completely up to him to prove that you have caused damage to his property. If he can't prove it, he MUST pay - one way or another.

Post the first one to him, and let him know that each day he keeps you waiting, there'll be one of his neighbours (and his wife's employer) gets a copy.

Oh, and charge him interest on a commercial debt.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: sunshine windows on April 01, 2010, 08:15:45 pm
Fair play Simon Knight!

Although I do sympathise with anybody who loses money through not being paid by dishonest customers there is a slight possibilty that you DID actually scratch the glass with the stock of the brush. I'm in the middle of sorting a scratch out for a customer of mine and I know it was me that did it. All it takes is for a bit of grit to bed itself into the side of the brush through banging against the brickwork and then the brush flips over on the glass because of worn clamps and pole ends and you've got a scratch.

Hope you get it resolved one way or another though.

Lance

Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Ian Mason on April 01, 2010, 08:24:55 pm
Hi,

Be careful about putting anything in writing & dishing it out to his neighbours & employers, or you might end up with a big legal case on your hands. ::)

I would try the small claims court first. :)

Best of luck.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Ian Mason on April 01, 2010, 08:29:19 pm
ive also scratched glass trying to get bird muck of with the end of brush..
havnt got round to replace it yet but its on the to do list ..it does happen...
 get the grass seed in to his gutters... i always carry some for after i finnish my gutter cleaning jobs ...means iam back sooner rather than later.. ;D

I bet the birds are happy after you`ve been. ::)
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: AuRavelling79 on April 01, 2010, 08:30:20 pm
But in Simon Knight's examples - if caught - the shoplifter would be prosecuted and the insurance scammer penalised or reported to the Police.

The original poster has told us he is sure he has not caused the damage and if that is so (along with the unusual interest in his insurance details and his not being paid upon completion) then he is out to the tune of £70 and it doesn't feel like a genuine misunderstanding.

Morally he feels he is £70 down and has been scammed and if he wants to press the matter or get a commensurate amount of pleasure at the scammer's expense then I say that is his prerogative.

In the cold light of day he would probably have lower blood pressure to walk away after doing what he can legally. But he might be the sort that develops indigestion if he does nothing. (I know of a guy who knocked me years ago for £16 and it still rankles when i work in his road, but I have chosen to walk away from it.)

If he chooses to put notices in neighbours' letterboxes  and is prepared to take any ongoing consequences that doing so might bring than that is his call.

I appreciate his warning, thanks.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 01, 2010, 08:35:24 pm
But in Simon Knight's examples - if caught - the shoplifter would be prosecuted and the insurance scammer penalised or reported to the Police.

The original poster has told us he is sure he has not caused the damage and if that is so (along with the unusual interest in his insurance details and his not being paid upon completion) then he is out to the tune of £70 and it doesn't feel like a genuine misunderstanding.

Morally he feels he is £70 down and has been scammed and if he wants to press the matter or get a commensurate amount of pleasure at the scammer's expense then I say that is his prerogative.

In the cold light of day he would probably have lower blood pressure to walk away after doing what he can legally. But he might be the sort that develops indigestion if he does nothing. (I know of a guy who knocked me years ago for £16 and it still rankles when i work in his road, but I have chosen to walk away from it.)

If he chooses to put notices in neighbours' letterboxes  and is prepared to take any ongoing consequences that doing so might bring than that is his call.

I appreciate his warning, thanks.

I'm gonna have simon knight do all my window cleaning from now on! ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: babs2020 on April 01, 2010, 08:43:55 pm
i like the sound of gbh
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Sir Squeaky on April 01, 2010, 09:07:47 pm
I think he did scratch the window.

Not really. ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: sunshine windows on April 01, 2010, 09:24:42 pm
Trust you Squeaky. lol
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: mr D on April 01, 2010, 10:04:07 pm
I wouldn't mess around with all that and I'm pretty sure neither would you lot.

Just knock him out on his own drive way and walk away. Well worth £70.

Just don't get seen.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Craig 72 on April 01, 2010, 10:04:49 pm
I have to agree with a lot of Simon Knights sentiments on this one.I'm still a relative newbie,been cleaning about a year,but even in my time people have tried their luck.If a customer is that much of a tosspot they don't pay up,in all honesty,what can we do?Surely if anyone went down the road of legal proceedings all the customer will say is that they were'nt happy with the service.Nobody signs a contract.I've been knocked for by a couple of customers by 20 or 30 quid but there are enough customers who are great to not lose too much sleep over it.Bloody annoying and frustrating though admittedly.A mate of mine is a builder and a customer refused to pay him thousands for a job he did.Some people are just idiots who chance their arm at any opportunity.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: simon knight on April 02, 2010, 08:06:53 am

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: actualcleaning on April 02, 2010, 08:42:00 am
I bet the birds are happy after you`ve been. ::)

 newbie!!!! you learn these tricks after you have been doing this job a while.... :P


I take it that you are joking about doing this  ???
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: bluez on April 02, 2010, 04:33:08 pm
Classified:
Wanted urgentlya sense of humour, ideally an experienced one as new owner will be unable to train due to humour deficit. Cash waiting or would part exchange professional window cleaning image lovingly built up over year on ciu. Contact Simon Knight ho ho ho ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: daz1977 on April 02, 2010, 04:37:02 pm
if you really want to aonny them,  in the night turn off there water at the stop cock in the street, has to be off there property as that way the water board can turn it off with out entering ther property and pour qucik drying cement in there,  by the time they notice it is set, and cost them at least 500 to get it fixed as water board wont fix it as its not there problem
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: daz1977 on April 02, 2010, 04:44:45 pm
i bought the web names, and was planning on getting the sites up and running,  but in till then was getting a page off window washer so got them pointed to that, just not got around to it yet
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Terry_Burrows on April 02, 2010, 08:09:01 pm
 ;DYes and brake fluid on his  car with kippers under the bonnet and dont forget the key down the side of it been there and done it I hate these people that try to screw up normal class working people :P name and shame!
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 02, 2010, 08:14:34 pm
The best prank I ever seen was a friend of mine who was in the RAF at the time. His mates poured flour into the heater vents in his car then cleared any traces up after. They then pointed them all to the driver's seat & turned the blower on to full!!

He got in his car & turned on the ignition!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Classic!
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Terry_Burrows on April 02, 2010, 08:16:16 pm
 ;D nice one ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Ian Mason on April 02, 2010, 08:26:15 pm
Lol, ;D

This is a bit different, but a friend of friend went to one of these zoo`s that you can drive through, & thought it would be fun to put banana milkshake in his windscreen washer reservoir, to try & attract the monkeys for his kids, but it seemed to wind the monkeys up & they trashed his car by wripping the windscreen wipers off. ;D



Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Jack Wallace on April 03, 2010, 01:32:45 pm
A couple of weeks ago I was berated on here for calling one of my customers a muppet for sending me payment with no name, I was told it makes us look bad to our customers for bad mouthing them.
And yet openly on here people are prepared to suggest ways to break the law, vandalise property, and deceive customers.
I am with Simon Knight on this one,  You lot should be ashamed of yourselves.
Terry, what the hell are you thinking? YOU are the face of window cleaning. Last week you were worried in case the press got hold of some guy who challenges your crown and gives you “bad press” yet here on an OPEN forum you suggest  “brake fluid on his  car with kippers under the bonnet and dont forget the key down the side”
Sorry mate but please don’t tell the press you represent ALL window cleaners coz I for one don’t want someone like you as my flag waver.
I do not agree with what this customer has done, he deserves to be dealt with. But in the correct way and in a professional manner.
It would seem this industry has a very long way to go before it is out of the gutter.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: prestige cleaners on April 03, 2010, 01:44:41 pm
jack were only joking about these reactions, you dont think we would seriously do these things do you?
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on April 03, 2010, 03:34:10 pm
A couple of weeks ago I was berated on here for calling one of my customers a muppet for sending me payment with no name, I was told it makes us look bad to our customers for bad mouthing them.
And yet openly on here people are prepared to suggest ways to break the law, vandalise property, and deceive customers.
I am with Simon Knight on this one,  You lot should be ashamed of yourselves.
Terry, what the hell are you thinking? YOU are the face of window cleaning. Last week you were worried in case the press got hold of some guy who challenges your crown and gives you “bad press” yet here on an OPEN forum you suggest  “brake fluid on his  car with kippers under the bonnet and dont forget the key down the side”
Sorry mate but please don’t tell the press you represent ALL window cleaners coz I for one don’t want someone like you as my flag waver.
I do not agree with what this customer has done, he deserves to be dealt with. But in the correct way and in a professional manner.
It would seem this industry has a very long way to go before it is out of the gutter.


Gutter cleaning is an additional service that I charge a premium for.

Simon.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Jack Wallace on April 03, 2010, 03:57:33 pm
;DYes and brake fluid on his  car with kippers under the bonnet and dont forget the key down the side of it been there and done it  I hate these people that try to screw up normal class working people :P name and shame!



So you call statements like this a generalization?
This is a blatant admission of breaking the law by vandalising people’s property, by someone who is OUR spokes person to the media.
What you do under cover of darkness is one thing, but to brag about it is stupid.
And in answer to your question, No I did not have a personality bypass. Its fully in place alongside my conscience and my sense of decency and pride.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: williamx on April 03, 2010, 04:12:33 pm
the customer in question was kermit the frog
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Alun Whyte on April 03, 2010, 04:41:35 pm
I was the one who did the original posting but everyone seems to have missed the point. Although highly amusing cos ive laughed at the 101 suggestions for exacting my revenge.
What i was aiming at is the fact that i and i presume many others quote for a job and begin the work without a proper visual inspection of the customers windows. Leaving us wide open for any kind of accusations.
I know for a fact that massive scratch was not caused by WFP he was obviously chancing his luck to get the window replaced and thought i would just cough up with the fact that his wife was a solicitor. My own insurance assure me he has no grounds for a claim
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: paul rulton on April 04, 2010, 01:31:07 am
had something similar few years bk when i was on the doors.
was told the law students were tryin 2start trouble with door staff, 2c if they could
wind u up so u snaped. then once u go 4them they would bring charges against u  ::)
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: simon knight on April 04, 2010, 01:22:06 pm

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.

Simon, I think they were joking.

Remember them?

My sense of humour is as good as the next mans, and if they were joking then ha ha ha...my sides are splitting at the wit ::)

But if they, or some of them, were not joking then everything I've said stands.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Paul Coleman on April 04, 2010, 01:42:26 pm

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.

Simon, I think they were joking.

Remember them?

My sense of humour is as good as the next mans, and if they were joking then ha ha ha...my sides are splitting at the wit ::)

But if they, or some of them, were not joking then everything I've said stands.

I'm just amazed that you (and Jack) have taken those posts seriously.
Surely you can see that people were just having a laugh at themselves and their slightly darker fantasies?
It's not about laughing at vandalising property etc.  It's about laughing at oneself.  That's the bit that makes it humorous IMO.
Although I didn't participate in the thread, I could see the humour in it.
I did a bit of searching on google.
I came across something fairly interesting regarding the psychology of humour.
The following article briefly discusses (amongst other things), "self deprecating humour" versus "hostile humour".   http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=2393

If you see this thread as being about "hostile humour" then I could understand that but I think you would be mistaken.
I believe that this thread is about the self deprecating variety with people actually laughing at themselves.
I wonder if some of it is an age thing because I didn't see it until I got to my mid 30s or thereabouts.  That was when I started taking myself a bit less seriously (most of the time) with the occasional relapse.
In fact, me making this post may be seen as a relapse  ;D

signed,
Your ever caring therapist,
Sigmund.

Of course maybe you understand the humour perfectly well and your own post is just a wind up  :)
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: simon knight on April 04, 2010, 02:18:55 pm

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.

Simon, I think they were joking.

Remember them?

My sense of humour is as good as the next mans, and if they were joking then ha ha ha...my sides are splitting at the wit ::)

But if they, or some of them, were not joking then everything I've said stands.

I'm just amazed that you (and Jack) have taken those posts seriously.
Surely you can see that people were just having a laugh at themselves and their slightly darker fantasies?
It's not about laughing at vandalising property etc.  It's about laughing at oneself.  That's the bit that makes it humorous IMO.
Although I didn't participate in the thread, I could see the humour in it.
I did a bit of searching on google.
I came across something fairly interesting regarding the psychology of humour.
The following article briefly discusses (amongst other things), "self deprecating humour" versus "hostile humour".   http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=2393

If you see this thread as being about "hostile humour" then I could understand that but I think you would be mistaken.
I believe that this thread is about the self deprecating variety with people actually laughing at themselves.
I wonder if some of it is an age thing because I didn't see it until I got to my mid 30s or thereabouts.  That was when I started taking myself a bit less seriously (most of the time) with the occasional relapse.
In fact, me making this post may be seen as a relapse  ;D

signed,
Your ever caring therapist,
Sigmund.

Of course maybe you understand the humour perfectly well and your own post is just a wind up  :)

Mr Freud, I'm a simple 50 (something) year old man doing a simple job and psycho-analytical-babble sends my brain into a state of torpor. So I tend to be more direct and "cut to the chase" so to speak.

If the posts about super-glue, mice, grass seeds are all a bit of a joke and not intended to be taken seriously then fine...no harm done (albeit I suggest the comedians might struggle to find work on the stage).

However, joking or not these kind of posts wouldn't be taken as jokes by the members of public (all of whom have access to CIU)...so perhaps these kinds of posts aren't really a good idea.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Paul Coleman on April 04, 2010, 02:32:09 pm

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.

Simon, I think they were joking.

Remember them?

My sense of humour is as good as the next mans, and if they were joking then ha ha ha...my sides are splitting at the wit ::)

But if they, or some of them, were not joking then everything I've said stands.

I'm just amazed that you (and Jack) have taken those posts seriously.
Surely you can see that people were just having a laugh at themselves and their slightly darker fantasies?
It's not about laughing at vandalising property etc.  It's about laughing at oneself.  That's the bit that makes it humorous IMO.
Although I didn't participate in the thread, I could see the humour in it.
I did a bit of searching on google.
I came across something fairly interesting regarding the psychology of humour.
The following article briefly discusses (amongst other things), "self deprecating humour" versus "hostile humour".   http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=2393

If you see this thread as being about "hostile humour" then I could understand that but I think you would be mistaken.
I believe that this thread is about the self deprecating variety with people actually laughing at themselves.
I wonder if some of it is an age thing because I didn't see it until I got to my mid 30s or thereabouts.  That was when I started taking myself a bit less seriously (most of the time) with the occasional relapse.
In fact, me making this post may be seen as a relapse  ;D

signed,
Your ever caring therapist,
Sigmund.

Of course maybe you understand the humour perfectly well and your own post is just a wind up  :)

Mr Freud, I'm a simple 50 (something) year old man doing a simple job and psycho-analytical-babble sends my brain into a state of torpor. So I tend to be more direct and "cut to the chase" so to speak.

If the posts about super-glue, mice, grass seeds are all a bit of a joke and not intended to be taken seriously then fine...no harm done (albeit I suggest the comedians might struggle to find work on the stage).

However, joking or not these kind of posts wouldn't be taken as jokes by the members of public (all of whom have access to CIU)...so perhaps these kinds of posts aren't really a good idea.

Sounds like we are about the same age then  :)  .
I do see what you mean about what the public might think so perhaps such posts aren't a good idea.  While I'm sure that many of them would see the posts for what they are, others may not.  I see such fantasies as a little escapism and no harm done but not everybody realises that.
Right then.  I'll go and phone my shrink now to see if he needs any help  ;D

Sigmund.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: simon knight on April 04, 2010, 03:14:35 pm

Mogsy

If you found my post rude then I'm sorry, but here's the way I see it:

I've been reading this forum for years and always so many members bang on about sign written vans, uniforms, state of the art pole systems, business cards, NVQs, licensing etc....basically anything to make the industry more professional and get away from the perceived image that we're all dole monkeys earning a bit on the side.

I absolutely agree that the industry is long overdue a make-over and a new and better image.

Then I read that when somebody is faced with a bad debt it's perfectly acceptable to resort to cheap spiteful gutter tactics in order to "get revenge".

These tactics go a long way to undo the "professional" image we're trying to attain.

Frankly I find the display of double-standards breathtaking.

Simon, I think they were joking.

Remember them?

My sense of humour is as good as the next mans, and if they were joking then ha ha ha...my sides are splitting at the wit ::)

But if they, or some of them, were not joking then everything I've said stands.

I'm just amazed that you (and Jack) have taken those posts seriously.
Surely you can see that people were just having a laugh at themselves and their slightly darker fantasies?
It's not about laughing at vandalising property etc.  It's about laughing at oneself.  That's the bit that makes it humorous IMO.
Although I didn't participate in the thread, I could see the humour in it.
I did a bit of searching on google.
I came across something fairly interesting regarding the psychology of humour.
The following article briefly discusses (amongst other things), "self deprecating humour" versus "hostile humour".   http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=2393

If you see this thread as being about "hostile humour" then I could understand that but I think you would be mistaken.
I believe that this thread is about the self deprecating variety with people actually laughing at themselves.
I wonder if some of it is an age thing because I didn't see it until I got to my mid 30s or thereabouts.  That was when I started taking myself a bit less seriously (most of the time) with the occasional relapse.
In fact, me making this post may be seen as a relapse  ;D

signed,
Your ever caring therapist,
Sigmund.

Of course maybe you understand the humour perfectly well and your own post is just a wind up  :)

Mr Freud, I'm a simple 50 (something) year old man doing a simple job and psycho-analytical-babble sends my brain into a state of torpor. So I tend to be more direct and "cut to the chase" so to speak.

If the posts about super-glue, mice, grass seeds are all a bit of a joke and not intended to be taken seriously then fine...no harm done (albeit I suggest the comedians might struggle to find work on the stage).

However, joking or not these kind of posts wouldn't be taken as jokes by the members of public (all of whom have access to CIU)...so perhaps these kinds of posts aren't really a good idea.

Sounds like we are about the same age then  :)  .
I do see what you mean about what the public might think so perhaps such posts aren't a good idea.  While I'm sure that many of them would see the posts for what they are, others may not.  I see such fantasies as a little escapism and no harm done but not everybody realises that.
Right then.  I'll go and phone my shrink now to see if he needs any help  ;D

Sigmund.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: geefree on April 04, 2010, 07:39:34 pm
and if all else fails....filth his windows back to original standard.
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on April 05, 2010, 12:25:00 am
n scratch the rest lol ;D ;D
Title: Re: A WARNING TO ALL
Post by: Londoner on April 05, 2010, 08:29:15 am
What are we talking about here? Replace one sealed unit. Whats that trade £50 tops? It got started on before on this forum but it never really got going. Sealed units are easy to change and you can make big money replacing them. Its money for old rope.