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Title: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 23, 2010, 10:24:38 am
I have some window cleaning jobs scattered around my local villages, went leaflet delivering last friday abit further out got 2 calls 1 im sure is a bunglow and the other just wants upstairs done, as i work with my partner and she does the bottoms and i do the tops 10+ round trip it just aint worth the hassle.

I also did gardening but no work there either,i dont know whether im just useless at advertising but response is terrible i dont like the thought of door knocking  ive been positive untill now but im thinking of giving it up.The thing is i enjoy doing both jobs and the jobs ive done people are very happy with but it seems no one wants to employ me, a £10 job here and there is no good for me.I haven't got much money to advertise either should i concentrate on my local town for w/c and forget the villages any ideas? thanks
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: daz1977 on March 23, 2010, 10:32:51 am
door knocking thats is the only way,  i put out leaflets in a village in the week then knock it on a saturday,  or noe night in week,
 
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 23, 2010, 10:37:53 am
door knocking thats is the only way,  i put out leaflets in a village in the week then knock it on a saturday,  or noe night in week,
 
Well i was thinking of trying the estates in my local town what should i be charging for a bog standard estate 3 bed lets say 10 windows?.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Ian Mason on March 23, 2010, 10:40:07 am
Hi,

I know what you mean about the door knocking, it sounds so simple, but for some reason quite daunting aswell, & I am not looking forward to it, but it does sound like the only way to get the customers in.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: d s windowcleaning on March 23, 2010, 10:41:41 am
get as many leaflets out as you can in say a 10 mile radius , then go door knocking afterwards once youve done a few you will get used to it .
do you have a local free paper that you can put a advert in for a few weeks as these are usually cheap to place a advert in , if you cant afford that use ad-mag and place a free advert in there .
leave a pile of flyers in places that are used a lot , i had good response from the local doctors surgery , a parish magazine is allso a cheap way to advertise .
it takes time mate so dont give up the more time you put into it the more you will get out of it .
good luck
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: daz1977 on March 23, 2010, 10:56:05 am
i charge £1 a windows and nothing for the doors, as a lot of the doors where i am are wood,  if some are really small i might not charge for them

i hate door knocking my self but once i have knocked the first house i am ok,  its just a pain, but sadly its on of the bad points of this job

, can you afford to take the next two weeks off over easter, as you should get a lot of women in with there kids whislt they are off school,  get your misses out knocking if you can, as this will help with bordem
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 23, 2010, 11:55:50 am
i charge £1 a windows and nothing for the doors, as a lot of the doors where i am are wood,  if some are really small i might not charge for them

i hate door knocking my self but once i have knocked the first house i am ok,  its just a pain, but sadly its on of the bad points of this job

, can you afford to take the next two weeks off over easter, as you should get a lot of women in with there kids whislt they are off school,  get your misses out knocking if you can, as this will help with bordem
£1 a window is what i have been basing my prices on i that the going rate with most W/C?.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: John Walker on March 23, 2010, 12:21:58 pm
Same as Daz - £1 window - £1 door if upvc.  Extra if window not straightforward - you need to judge how long it will take and calculate it against what you want to earn per hour.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: daz1977 on March 23, 2010, 01:17:38 pm
thats about the going rate,  but you will always get people doing it cheaper,  but they dont last, as they end up a busy fool,  and try and sell there round and when no one buys it go back working in a warehouse,   

with this businees and any other business, custy have to know that you exist, if they dont then you will not get a phone call,   

ideally u need a sign written van, leaflets every where,  on your days off just go posting every where that you can,   then go knocking on saturdays,

 one of the problems with this business is a lot of people think it it instant profit when you start, but can take months before you start gettting a return on what u have spent (a lot of business do not make money for 2 years as it keeps being reinvested in the business)

i my self go leafleting, door knocking,  just changed vans so waiting to get that signed up,  i even employ a bloke to had out leaflets, in the local villages for me a few days a months,
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: stagcleaning on March 23, 2010, 01:26:01 pm
We've all been there mate! Times are tough, finding business is not easy...it's a competitive industry.

Over time you build up trust and relationships...and in my humble opinion there is nothing more valuable than this as it provides 1. Regular work 2. Increase chance of a recommendation!

Hang in there!
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Murdie window cleaning on March 23, 2010, 01:33:57 pm
Door knocking is the only way of gaining the work quickly when your on a budget. If you haven't done it before the first time can be a bit nerve wracking, but the worst thing that happens is that you may get a "No Thankyou" or "I've allready got a cleaner". Dont be put off though as the next door could be the one that gives you the job.

Every one on here has probably gone through spells where they think is it realy worth it, but it's all about putting your self out there and getting your name known.

Good luck
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Wizard on March 23, 2010, 04:04:59 pm
 Door knocking has the fear of rejection and been face to face with a potential  customer. The thing to remember is if they say not they are not saying no to you personally the are just says no to your offer to them. its not personal. They might even like you but have a window cleaner. We all have this fear in us but the more you knock and chat the better you will become, the fear will go away and you will gain more confidence. Good luck with your knowing .
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: jonnyald on March 23, 2010, 04:43:05 pm
i would certainly get out and do that bungalow ,soon as . while there knock on the neighbours doors tell them you are working just along the road and looking for a few more. be sure to mention to the folk at the bungalow you do insides/if you do?/     

eACH new customer is a foot in the door ,
                                                                   best wishes ,plough on
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Johnny B on March 23, 2010, 07:29:03 pm
Door knocking can be daunting if you are not used to it, but the worst you will get is a 'no thank you'. However, by doing it this way you are meeting your potential customers face to face and giving them the personal touch, which you don't get from leafletting (although I am not knocking the latter). It also makes it easier to knock on their door when, once they have become your customer, you ask for payment.  ;)

Best wishes,
John.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 23, 2010, 07:37:52 pm
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.

Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: JasonP on March 23, 2010, 07:40:12 pm
I know how your feeling lcwalker, i hate door knocking! Only got 18 regular customers in a month since starting up! My problem is i reach an area i want to canvass, notice that the windows seem clean, convince myself they must have a wc, get back in the car and go home without dropping any leaflets or knocking any doors, then am annoyed with myself for wasting a day!!
Guess im scared of stepping on another wc toes in those areas, which near me, thats every area!!  :-[
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Dave Willis on March 23, 2010, 07:46:01 pm
Work on a Saturday, get yourself seen especially on a sunny day. Guaranteed to pick up work. ;)
Get the Mrs to door knock further up the road whilst you are working - can't fail.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 23, 2010, 10:04:49 pm
I know how your feeling lcwalker, i hate door knocking! Only got 18 regular customers in a month since starting up! My problem is i reach an area i want to canvass, notice that the windows seem clean, convince myself they must have a wc, get back in the car and go home without dropping any leaflets or knocking any doors, then am annoyed with myself for wasting a day!!
Guess im scared of stepping on another wc toes in those areas, which near me, thats every area!!  :-[
I think im very much like you i think i need to stay more positive.As for stepping on someone elses feet doesn't bother me to much because if the custy want me to clean there windows they must have issues with the other w/c, but what i wouldn't do is undercut i have my price and thats what ill quote.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: TLC on March 23, 2010, 11:03:08 pm
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.


I feel your zeal man
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: geefree on March 23, 2010, 11:17:36 pm
Think positive, giving up is not an option for you !

You have to weave your way through the minefield of rejections, to arrive at the acceptances.,

They are there... they are just scattered among the rejections, and with desire and determination you will find them and be a success. ;)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: mark dew on March 23, 2010, 11:36:46 pm
Ic don't give up on the villages. How else do you advertise other than leaflets?
If you haven't done already, you want to be reaching out to the community oriented people. These network and most around my way has a window cleaner.
The best way is to advertise in a parish magazine that gets distributed in the villages you want to work.
You will need to ask your existing customers if they know of one or who to call. If they don't know, the vicar at the local church. The name and a ccontact number will be on the noticeboard of the church.
Also, do you use a landline number? Cos country people are fickle.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on March 24, 2010, 02:04:56 am
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.


this is a class quote to open yr eyes fr
a guy who as made it an yet strives to remake it
nice quote david replys like this i like to see keep plodding on lad
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Terry_Burrows on March 24, 2010, 06:07:07 am
 ;D we did never cleaned houses,but when some knocks at my home trying to sell me on the door that gets my back up >:( you would be far better to leave your card, disturbing people I have found myself is not always the way to go :-they may be busy at the time I have done this many years ago doing carpet cleaning response not good..
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: actualcleaning on March 24, 2010, 06:13:12 am
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.


this is a class quote to open yr eyes fr
a guy who as made it an yet strives to remake it
nice quote david replys like this i like to see keep plodding on lad

It is also a very flippant remark from someone who is not in the position that the original poster is in.
If David was in the same position would he really truthfully be telling this forum how he yearns to start all over again....i doubt it very much. ::)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lee09 on March 24, 2010, 07:29:28 am
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.



Dave,
Do you want to sub your work out, write a book or start again?
As for the fire in your belly try Gaviscon. ;D

Actualcleaning, it takes time fella, just keep at it.
Lee
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: MikeyL on March 24, 2010, 07:51:57 am
Door knocking is the fastest way of getting customers but it can be scary. I don't like it at all, I haven't long started working for myself, and I get worried that i'm doing myself or the customer out of money. Or worried that there's another window cleaner in the same street.
Now comes the BUT when I have gone out there I have had days where I got £80 worth of new jobs in a couple of hours. It can be done and as it was said before after the first few houses it does get easier.
Don't lose faith. you can do it.
Good luck
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: actualcleaning on March 24, 2010, 08:19:33 am
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.



Dave,
Do you want to sub your work out, write a book or start again?
As for the fire in your belly try Gaviscon. ;D

Actualcleaning, it takes time fella, just keep at it.
Lee

Thanks for your kind words mate...but i wasn't referring to me,i am sound with my business ;D....i was referring to the original poster who is going through some hard times....
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lee09 on March 24, 2010, 08:31:12 am
I would love to start from scratch again, I can just feel that fire in my belly.



Dave,
Do you want to sub your work out, write a book or start again?
As for the fire in your belly try Gaviscon. ;D

Actualcleaning, it takes time fella, just keep at it.
Lee

Thanks for your kind words mate...but i wasn't referring to me,i am sound with my business ;D....i was referring to the original poster who is going through some hard times....

Oops, that will be icwalker then ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Jonathan Spencer on March 24, 2010, 08:57:29 am
All of us know it can be hard especially after the winter we have had (I do not mind the cold apart from my hands which really suffer).

I personally do not door knock.  I do not like it when someones knocks on my door and I am eating or playing games with my kids.  I do not like leafleting but do it with mixed results.  Sometimes you need a bit of luck in hitting an area.  For example a neighbour of mine told me a drinking mate of his was after a window cleaner.  It was out of my way but after 2 visits and leafleting 2 roads around his house I ended up with £150 of work.

Regards

Jonathan
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 24, 2010, 12:55:09 pm
actual cleaning

It is a bit like yearning to be a child again, although you would love to re live those days it is just a saying.

I was a lot happier when i started.

I cant see no harm in my post though, just trying to inspire, didnt mean to sound flippant.

The work is out there for the taking, if you have enough passion, you will find the work, I am sure I don't have to spell that out.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: R W C™ on March 24, 2010, 01:30:15 pm
actual cleaning

It is a bit like yearning to be a child again, although you would love to re live those days it is just a saying.

I was a lot happier when i started.

I cant see no harm in my post though, just trying to inspire, didnt mean to sound flippant.

The work is out there for the taking, if you have enough passion, you will find the work, I am sure I don't have to spell that out.

I got to agree with what you say Dave, building is the best part of this business watching a business grow from nothing is the fun part along with , recieving the calls, quoting, meeting custys, designing leaflets, getting system installed, new ladders, trad gear and poles etc turning up by the delivery company, getting your new vehicle,joining a forum and learning things for the 1st time, the list goes on, once youve done all this its just a case of working for the business.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on March 24, 2010, 02:34:14 pm
You need to get out and knock on doors. In a road of 50 you might pick up 2-5 houses even if there is another window cleaner. However a year down the line that work would have doubled. Some streets will take off others will not increase.

Another idea is to pay a door knocking company, these normally charge 2 times what they pick up. It's probably the hardest it's been for a long time to crack into window cleaning dye to all the new start ups.

Simon.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 24, 2010, 02:56:55 pm
Thanks for all the surport i delivered some leaflets in a village before christmas and im going to go back and try some door knocking there.I also know my milkman from school and im going to get him to deliver some leaflets for me i will only have to buy him a bottle of something he has around 350 milk customers so that should help i feel abit more positive now thanks.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Ryan @ Transparent, Carlisle on March 24, 2010, 03:13:55 pm
heres my tuppence worth....

i was the same when i first started out. There is an estate round here overcrowded (or seemingly so) with w/c's. So it was a bit off-putting.

I happen to live on this estate, and everytime i felt like canvassing, i got to a street and got put off as most the windows were clean.....

I now have about 45 houses on this estate, im glad i kept at it  ;D and i have never once taken or undercut a job from another windy ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 24, 2010, 03:21:10 pm
heres my tuppence worth....

i was the same when i first started out. There is an estate round here overcrowded (or seemingly so) with w/c's. So it was a bit off-putting.

I happen to live on this estate, and everytime i felt like canvassing, i got to a street and got put off as most the windows were clean.....

I now have about 45 houses on this estate, im glad i kept at it  ;D and i have never once taken or undercut a job from another windy ;D
How did you get those customers door knocking?.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 24, 2010, 03:44:27 pm
Ic don't give up on the villages. How else do you advertise other than leaflets?
If you haven't done already, you want to be reaching out to the community oriented people. These network and most around my way has a window cleaner.
The best way is to advertise in a parish magazine that gets distributed in the villages you want to work.
You will need to ask your existing customers if they know of one or who to call. If they don't know, the vicar at the local church. The name and a ccontact number will be on the noticeboard of the church.
Also, do you use a landline number? Cos country people are fickle.

Yes i have a landline and mobile number on my leaflet, also i do have an ad running in the local magazine that come out 3 monthly and ive only got 2 jobs from that one each time it comes out.I tend to agree with most of the advice door knocking is the only way to get up to a decent amount of customers quickly thanks everyone.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Ryan @ Transparent, Carlisle on March 24, 2010, 04:26:34 pm
the first ten or so were from leaflets, that i printed a price on, as i knew the rough size of the houses.

Yes, there is some houses priced at £5, which perhaps should of been £6. but prices will be going up soon.

The rest was from door knocking & reccomendations
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: chopsie on March 24, 2010, 10:03:16 pm
I got 117 from november,and thats with being bone idle  :P I could of got a lot more by now,80% of these came from door knocking, rest from seeing me working,odd one from sign written van and workwear etc, about 4 from dropping leaflets, I keep picking up work every week for last few weeks without doing anything,picked up 2 today and got to go and quote on 4 more,all from recommedations,seing me working and 1 googled me  :)  I really need to get my lazy arse into gear and get door knocking again, I does not bother me doing it,Its just being arsed and wanting to see mrs and kids at night
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 11:08:17 am
Another waste of time i went to see the woman that just wanted upstairs dont i told here id only do the lot as my partner does the downstairs, it was a big house 21 georgian windows quoted £20 the whole house even less than a £1 a window.She rang today to much she would pay £15 just to have the upstairs do but the job was to far out the way to be worth going to not worth bothering with IMO.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 05:11:33 pm
I went out door knocking only did a few and hated it one the woman works in my local shop i just acted as i didn't know her (her windows were filthy) anyway no on said yes they just said we have someone there was an older bloke along the road with his wfp i saw him last time i went to this village leaflet dropping i reckon he has the area covered.

There is aso another problem i have where i live all the houses differ and many have windows that aren't very easy to clean as im ot wfp this means working with a trade pole which if i can reach im not very good at it takes me so long.Im caught in 2 minds whether to buy a wfp trolley now, but i only wanted to do that when i had enough customers and the thing is i haven't got any cash at the moment so it would mean borrowing for it  ???.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 09:27:19 pm
You could sell your cussies to me?   Or I could go out canvassing with you and split them 50/50. I am thinking of expanding into Subury area, in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 09:44:53 pm
You could sell your cussies to me?   Or I could go out canvassing with you and split them 50/50. I am thinking of expanding into Subury area, in the next few weeks.
The few ive got i intend to keep even if i get a full time job it will be what they say my beer money.Im sorry im finding it hard enough to get customers so im not going to split them when i do get them ill keep plodding along and im sure ill get to where i want to be in the end we all have good and bad times.Lastly i come on here to get some postive advice not to shut down the little bit of business i do have.Anyway good luck with your sudbury canvassing.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 10:16:29 pm

 50/50 on canvassing.   It looks like I would get most of them anyway. Then I would be sharing them with you. Do not know how you think I would be taking them away.
Some people just do not want help.  Just carry on with your negative thinking, which leads nowhere.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 10:29:19 pm

 50/50 on canvassing.   It looks like I would get most of them anyway. Then I would be sharing them with you. Do not know how you think I would be taking them away.
Some people just do not want help.  Just carry on with your negative thinking, which leads nowhere.
Its something i want to do on my own whether i get there or not thats just the way i am, it will then be my own achievement. Anyway dont worry about me get out there and get them on your own you sound like you dont need mine or anyone else's help anyway.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 10:39:31 pm

Sounds like you just started this thread just to moan,  because maybe? you are feeling sorry for your self and want others to feel sorry for you.
Then people offer advice or help and you do not want to know.

Ok, go alone. But keep knocking.


Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 25, 2010, 10:43:12 pm
You could sell your cussies to me?   Or I could go out canvassing with you and split them 50/50. I am thinking of expanding into Subury area, in the next few weeks.
coming round my mannor hey.....? tut tut  ;D wanna do a bit of canvassing?
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: mci services on March 25, 2010, 10:44:20 pm
just read the bit on using a trad pole on awkward windows and you being trad

heres my tip go to the nearest council estate that everyone rules out, try find a bog standard rough looking place that doesnt have fancy porches and sloping roofs then go mad with the leaflets. target jobs you can do trad and the wfp and long established w/c rule out
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 10:47:46 pm
You could sell your cussies to me?   Or I could go out canvassing with you and split them 50/50. I am thinking of expanding into Subury area, in the next few weeks.
coming round my mannor hey.....? tut tut  ;D wanna do a bit of canvassing?

Cannot be bothered with halstead. But their is some nice areas their.  Why you selling your work ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 25, 2010, 10:50:48 pm
no m8, u just offered 2go out n cavass with Mr cant b bothered.
thought u would rather do it wiv Mr can b bothered  ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 10:51:38 pm

Sounds like you just started this thread just to moan,  because maybe? you are feeling sorry for your self and want others to feel sorry for you.
Then people offer advice or help and you do not want to know.

Ok, go alone. But keep knocking.



First of all you wanted to buy my custys whos that helping me.It also sounds like your abit nervous canvassing yourself as why else would you want to go out with another w/c.By the way im not on my own my partner helps deliver leaflets and she cleans the downstairs and she's very good at it.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 10:53:51 pm
Yer I go out canvassing with you.  More fun with two ;D
Email me and we will fix up a time and place.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 10:56:22 pm
no m8, u just offered 2go out n cavass with Mr cant b bothered.
thought u would rather do it wiv Mr can b bothered  ;D
I can be bothered but finding it hard going.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 25, 2010, 10:57:18 pm
ok m8 will email u 2moro if thats ok?
it is a laugh wiv 2  ;D esp when u come across a wrongn lol ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 10:57:43 pm
Yer I go out canvassing with you.  More fun with two ;D
Email me and we will fix up a time and place.
It seems you have found a canvassing buddy good luck to you both.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 25, 2010, 11:01:01 pm
I offered to go canvassing with you, to help you, build up your confidence and spilit the work we get at the same time.
I have canvassed all over. I used to work with a canvassing company.  Just  it is more fun canvassing has a team.   
Do not worry , I will not offer again.


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First of all you wanted to buy my custys whos that helping me.It also sounds like your abit nervous canvassing yourself as why else would you want to go out with another w/c.By the way im not on my own my partner helps deliver leaflets and she cleans the downstairs and she's very good at it.
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Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 25, 2010, 11:01:54 pm
I can be bothered but finding it hard going.
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it is hard goin m8, nothing is free & even less is easy.  ;D
but dont turn down a good offer m8  ::) its them bits when people help, that make all the difference ;D
all u need is a bit of a jump start again..... thats all :)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 11:04:52 pm
I offered to go canvassing with you, to help you, build up your confidence and spilit the work we get at the same time.
I have canvassed all over. I used to work with a canvassing company.  Just  it is more fun canvassing has a team.   
Do not worry , I will not offer again.


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First of all you wanted to buy my custys whos that helping me.It also sounds like your abit nervous canvassing yourself as why else would you want to go out with another w/c.By the way im not on my own my partner helps deliver leaflets and she cleans the downstairs and she's very good at it.
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Ok thanks for the offer anyway but i will never canvass with anyone else it something i want to build up on my own whether i succeed or not good luck with your own business.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 11:07:23 pm
I can be bothered but finding it hard going.
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it is hard goin m8, nothing is free & even less is easy.  ;D
but dont turn down a good offer m8  ::) its them bits when people help, that make all the difference ;D
all u need is a bit of a jump start again..... thats all :)
Thanks for the advice and your right about the jump start ive got to give a quote in the morning so that could be the jump start i need great feeling when you get a new custy isn't it.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 25, 2010, 11:11:40 pm
ur not wrong m8, gettin new custys is great  ;D i love doin new work, breakes it up a bit  ;)
well good luck with ur quote in the morn m8  ;D & all the best with wot ever way u go  ;) ;)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 25, 2010, 11:12:27 pm
ur not wrong m8, gettin new custys is great  ;D i love doin new work, breakes it up a bit  ;)
well good luck with ur quote in the morn m8  ;D & all the best with wot ever way u go  ;) ;)
You to Cheers.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Wizard on March 26, 2010, 06:43:48 am
You do not need help just want to moan,no wonder you are having a dificult time to canvise I would not let you clean my window with that attitude it could dirty the glass. Don’t kick a giving horse in the mouth. To thank them for there effort would be better and leave it at that.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Wizard on March 26, 2010, 06:49:55 am
i DONT THING YOU SHOULD BOTHER.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 08:22:00 am
i DONT THING YOU SHOULD BOTHER.
Dont judge me you dont know me.Also tell me how canvassing with another window cleaner can work i dont know him so how could i trust him that i was getting 50% how do i know he qwouldn't arrange to go and do them on his own.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 08:28:05 am
Also im only protecting what work i do have when i did gardening i had people nick work off me, so i dont really trust anyone that wants to help.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: chopsie on March 26, 2010, 08:53:46 am
just door knock,everyone says it,does not matter if you think windows look clean,knock anyway.i have knocked whole streets and everyone one but 1 says they got a cleaner,but i got the 1,which has led to other ones,you will not get anywhere with flyers alone imo,unless you are prepared to wait years,
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Rob.Hall on March 26, 2010, 09:59:57 am
You need to understand that it is hard going to start.

So many people come on hear bragging about what they earn and how much they charge for a house, and how quick they have built a round etc etc. They are a minority.

I managed to get 8 custies when I first started and then built from their.

Got a part time job in the evenings as a subsidy.

I found a good way was when out cleaning I would just knock on doors inbetween and ask if they wanted their windows cleaned. It works well.

Shame you turned down that offer of help because an old hand can teach you tricks and you would have had a chance of bagging a few more custies you have not got now.......

Better to know the competition than blank them.

He could still come over and canvas the area and you would not get a look in.

As I said at the start..... It aint easy for a newbie but persist and you will make it.
The average millionaire goes bust three times before he makes it so I am told!!

Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 26, 2010, 10:16:39 am
well put Rob.Hall  ;) every wise words we could all lean something from  ;)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 02:34:22 pm
You need to understand that it is hard going to start.

So many people come on hear bragging about what they earn and how much they charge for a house, and how quick they have built a round etc etc. They are a minority.

I managed to get 8 custies when I first started and then built from their.

Got a part time job in the evenings as a subsidy.

I found a good way was when out cleaning I would just knock on doors inbetween and ask if they wanted their windows cleaned. It works well.

Shame you turned down that offer of help because an old hand can teach you tricks and you would have had a chance of bagging a few more custies you have not got now.......

Better to know the competition than blank them.

He could still come over and canvas the area and you would not get a look in.

As I said at the start..... It aint easy for a newbie but persist and you will make it.
The average millionaire goes bust three times before he makes it so I am told!!


Ive got 2 new £15 ers today bunglow with a conny and a cottage so haven't done bad there maybe a couple of others in the pipe line in the same area so things are looking up.Also i dont regret turning down his offer im a stubborn git and i will do things my way i take all usefull advice seriously but in the end this is my business and i want to build it on my own.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Jonathan Spencer on March 26, 2010, 04:25:50 pm
Wish I had someone to canvass for me lol.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 05:57:31 pm
i DONT THING YOU SHOULD BOTHER.

I think Wizard is right.

Pull your finger out pal and get on with it or shut up moaning. Did you expect it given to you on a plate or did you expect to have to work to achieve things in this business? Cleaning the windows is the easy bit by the way.
Answer to your question yes i did know it was going to be hard and we all have bad time or are you exception to the rule?.Also i think i have gathered cleaning is the easy bit.Yes ive had abit of a moan but I just dont understand why people have turned on me since the member offered to canvass with me, it was for his benefit as much as mine, also the first thing he wanted to do was buy my customers from me, how was that helping my business?.Finally theres no need to tell me to shut up you dont have to read or comment on my post.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lee09 on March 26, 2010, 06:08:50 pm
Hi
I have read the posts and thought there may have been some beer flowing last night as yours were fairly negative.
People have not turned on you they/we have just tried to help. The guy who offered to buy your calls was just trying to give you a way out, after all you wrote the title about being bothered. He the offered to help you canvass by showing you what he say/dose, but you dismiss this as you feel you will not be able to trust him.
There is always help on here, but if you think you will not like the answers that people bother to give, just go through the search option as i'm sure it will have been asked before.
All the best anyway.
Lee
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 06:35:25 pm
Hi
I have read the posts and thought there may have been some beer flowing last night as yours were fairly negative.
People have not turned on you they/we have just tried to help. The guy who offered to buy your calls was just trying to give you a way out, after all you wrote the title about being bothered. He the offered to help you canvass by showing you what he say/dose, but you dismiss this as you feel you will not be able to trust him.
There is always help on here, but if you think you will not like the answers that people bother to give, just go through the search option as i'm sure it will have been asked before.
All the best anyway.
Lee
Thanks,people wont be aware of this but i was posting a while back and he offered to come with me then i politely said no but he didn't seem to like me saying no then.He has done the same on this posting it does seem to me that i bother him living close to him or maybe he think i could help him out i really dont know, i appreciate the offer but how many times do you have to say no, i just wasn't interested in going canvassing with him whats the problem in that?.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 26, 2010, 07:45:49 pm

Oh yer, I remember seeing if you wanted any help a while back, Mr I don't know if I cam be bothered anymore.
Well, I cannot be bothered with you.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Wizard on March 26, 2010, 07:58:14 pm
If you took the time you have spent on here and gone out and knocked, you would have got a lot of new custies.Actions speak loader than words.Maybe you need some medical help.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 26, 2010, 08:03:10 pm
If you took the time you have spent on here and gone out and knocked, you would have got a lot of new custies.Actions speak loader than words.Maybe you need some medical help.
:o nearly spat my coffee out  ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lee09 on March 26, 2010, 08:07:33 pm
Ic
I think you would bother him more if you came on bragging of all the work you have picked up in the same area. But then his book may be full and he will not be worried about any competition.
I don't know either of you but I believe he was just trying to help. But I don't think you need worry on that score any more
Lee
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: mark dew on March 26, 2010, 08:10:20 pm
Just because he wants to do it alone with his mrs doesn't make him a fool. Having a whinge is just an outlet and this forum has many posts similar without a few jumping in.
He don't want. What is wrong with that?  
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 26, 2010, 10:26:48 pm
Just because he wants to do it alone with his mrs doesn't make him a fool. Having a whinge is just an outlet and this forum has many posts similar without a few jumping in.
He don't want. What is wrong with that?  

nothing is wrong with wanting to do it your own way. . But he started slaging me off, when I offered to help get him customers. I offered because i am not that far away. I do not care if he wants my help or not. I just thought I would  ask. Without his crap Period.






Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: cornelius jemmerso on March 26, 2010, 10:38:23 pm
lc w ,   your living in an area Stacked out with houses and its a rich area too .  if you couldnt get enough gardening work in 8 years your heart cant have been in it / now your thinking of giving up windows, you should just knuckle down and stop whining matey .  bet you didnt go and do that bungalow you leafletted and got
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 26, 2010, 10:43:05 pm
dont worry about it steve, me n u canvassing 2gether proves that 2independent windys
CAN work 2gether, without the miss trust n all the other crap  ;D
apart from the fact that im gonna get more new custys than u on tuesday  :P LOL  ;D PMSL  :D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A+CleaningService on March 26, 2010, 10:46:07 pm
dont worry about it steve, me n u canvassing 2gether proves that 2independent windys
CAN work 2gether, without the miss trust n all the other crap  ;D
apart from the fact that im gonna get more new custys than u on tuesday  :P LOL  ;D PMSL  :D

Loads of new ones.  Oh, don't forget your baseball-bat,if we get any no thankyou's ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: paul rulton on March 26, 2010, 10:48:39 pm
ive got a very nice section of motor bike chain  ;) will that do? ;D
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: mark dew on March 26, 2010, 11:30:59 pm
Just because he wants to do it alone with his mrs doesn't make him a fool. Having a whinge is just an outlet and this forum has many posts similar without a few jumping in.
He don't want. What is wrong with that?  

nothing is wrong with wanting to do it your own way. . But he started slaging me off, when I offered to help get him customers. I offered because i am not that far away. I do not care if he wants my help or not. I just thought I would  ask. Without his crap Period.

I didn't see where he was slagging you off. Have i missed something?
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 11:34:05 pm
lc w ,   your living in an area Stacked out with houses and its a rich area too .  if you couldnt get enough gardening work in 8 years your heart cant have been in it / now your thinking of giving up windows, you should just knuckle down and stop whining matey .  bet you didnt go and do that bungalow you leafletted and got
You would have lost that bet i did them today 6 weekly £15.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 11:37:37 pm
Just because he wants to do it alone with his mrs doesn't make him a fool. Having a whinge is just an outlet and this forum has many posts similar without a few jumping in.
He don't want. What is wrong with that?  

nothing is wrong with wanting to do it your own way. . But he started slaging me off, when I offered to help get him customers. I offered because i am not that far away. I do not care if he wants my help or not. I just thought I would  ask. Without his crap Period.

I didn't see where he was slagging you off. Have i missed something?
I seem to have ruffled a few feathers without meaning to i only turned down his offer ???.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 26, 2010, 11:47:07 pm
Just because he wants to do it alone with his mrs doesn't make him a fool. Having a whinge is just an outlet and this forum has many posts similar without a few jumping in.
He don't want. What is wrong with that?  

nothing is wrong with wanting to do it your own way. . But he started slaging me off, when I offered to help get him customers. I offered because i am not that far away. I do not care if he wants my help or not. I just thought I would  ask. Without his crap Period.







I cant see where i slagged you off how can i as i dont know you, as i have said i appreiated the offer it just wasn't the way i wanted to do things.The reason i was abit blunt was because the first thing you asked me was to buy my customers i do have thats all.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: mci services on March 26, 2010, 11:52:27 pm
jezo just delete the post lcwalker and be done with it, agree to disagree
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: prestige cleaners on March 27, 2010, 12:17:39 am
when i started 3 yrs ago  i bought £22k worth of work and did a bit of canvassing when my van was in a garage for a week, and although it was a bit daunting i got into it after a few doors, just try and keep positive and aim for high priced work.

thankfully i havent had to canvass since, but if i had to i would do it. make sure your on google maps, gumtree, and yell advertising, doesnt cost a bean.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: barry mallett on March 27, 2010, 07:27:01 am
just jack in and have done with it
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 27, 2010, 08:17:21 am
just jack in and have done with it
I take it you mean me, well thats a great help isn't it.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Premier Cleaning on March 27, 2010, 12:31:49 pm
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK

I started this buiness in july 09.I started from zero and with smart marketing and lots of knocking i now have a sizeable customer base and am just starting to expand into commercial.
 I am realising a very healthy income from this business already
I dont say this to brag only to illustarte that there is heaps of business out there..you just need a positive outlook and the determination to go and knock when your mates our down the pub...

The payoff....In 9 months time you will be getting the round in for less than an hours work. :)

Check out my website where i have put a section under resources on successful canvassing ..designed for my canvassers..it works for us.

Good luck :)
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: prestige cleaners on March 27, 2010, 12:44:16 pm
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK

I started this buiness in july 09.I started from zero and with smart marketing and lots of knocking i now have a sizeable customer base and am just starting to expand into commercial.
 I am realising a very healthy income from this business already
I dont say this to brag only to illustarte that there is heaps of business out there..you just need a positive outlook and the determination to go and knock when your mates our down the pub...

The payoff....In 9 months time you will be getting the round in for less than an hours work. :)

Check out my website where i have put a section under resources on successful canvassing ..designed for my canvassers..it works for us.

Good luck :)

good website, good tips, but do you really want your customers to see your canvassing techniques?

ie - "Can I walk round the outside of the house to give you a quote (It only takes 2 minutes and I don’t need to come inside)

Price condition them at this stage by letting them know we are more expensive than most window cleaners."

Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: A & J Owen Window Cleaning on March 27, 2010, 10:33:27 pm
 i think you have a good business idea with windows and gardens do this myself it does work let your wife do all the talking  custies they seem reseptive to that my wife does winds with me £10 hr gardens fair price that will be each though dont do for nowt just knock doors and say im sorry to desturb you but i have established a window cleaning round in this area would you like me to quote a price for your propety hope this is of any use mate do this as soon asap
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: lcwalker on March 27, 2010, 10:50:58 pm
i think you have a good business idea with windows and gardens do this myself it does work let your wife do all the talking  custies they seem reseptive to that my wife does winds with me £10 hr gardens fair price that will be each though dont do for nowt just knock doors and say im sorry to desturb you but i have established a window cleaning round in this area would you like me to quote a price for your propety hope this is of any use mate do this as soon asap
Thanks i still have my gardening gear even though last year i didn't have much gardening to do but i hate selling tools as they can always earn you money.I think the price £10 and hour each is spot on thats the sort of price i quote maybe a bit less if i do the windows at the same time.I moved to where i am 4 1/2 years ago and it does seem to be quite competative around here they maybe alot of well off people but it's finding them, but i have to say i haven't done as much searching as i should have done and it time i spent more time canvassing thanks again for your advice.
Title: Re: I dont know if i can be bothered anymore
Post by: Premier Cleaning on March 28, 2010, 08:26:10 pm

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good website, good tips, but do you really want your customers to see your canvassing techniques?

ie - "Can I walk round the outside of the house to give you a quote (It only takes 2 minutes and I don’t need to come inside)

Price condition them at this stage by letting them know we are more expensive than most window cleaners."


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Dosent really matter buddy,the resources are fairly low profile and very few customers will be interested enough to even look at my website let alone read thru resources related to staff and even if they did what difference will it make,there is nothing untoward or unethical with any of my canvassing techniques.This content helps google pick up my website and is a good SEO exercise..its the only real reason i do it..to help me attract commercial enquiries...which is working.

Thanks for your comments..appreciated  :)