Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Andy1982 on March 17, 2010, 06:22:21 pm
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Not true I reckon
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
sounds like a lot of you know what...
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probably not true, but you never know with this industry, there never seems to be a lot of info coming down to wc,
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time to wake up ;D
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not true at all,as long as you have all the saftey equipment for ladders etc then theres no need to worry,i think that person needs to wake up.
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it werent that long ago every1 was sayin they wont b able 2 stop people smoking in pubs
ect....... ??? ??? that turned out well ::) ::)
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please be true! ;D
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why ????? please be true
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if it is true.... u gotta feel 4 the true trad boys out there :'( i 4 1konw y they love it ;)
i went wfp cause of my back :( not cause i wanted 2.
& certainly not cause i was made2 :-\
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Hi Andy,
The girl who works behind the counter in ladbrookes is hardly a business advisor.They tell you england stand a good chance in the world cup have a punt, but they don't know much about sport either.Thats just to get you to have a bet- i've been caught a few times.
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I hope it aint true. I rarely use ladders (too soft nowadays), but I think it would be a sad day. :(
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the ladder monkeys will be stuck and i can have there custys ;D
why ????? please be true
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
the advice is already written just some read it in different ways. your not meant to use ladders for work that can be done with wfp, not having it because of an excuse you cant afford it is not a good enough reason. Will let everyone else aruse abou this, I usde ladders and wfp by the way, ladders only for work that cannot be wfp'd ;)
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
Does she work for Ionics as well ;D
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
yes ww i was havin a laugh ;D sod that! didnt get any help when i got mine in november ::)
& gettin £ out the gov..... thats a joke in its self :D :D :D
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
I see your point,but some times people dont want to spend the money,say if you had a fall and broke your neck or any other part,you got to ask,is spending about £1000 worth it on a decent wfp system then haveing my legs/neck broke and being off for the next 6 months.
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
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easy................ give it up ;D
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Rent a low cost unit and set up there otherwise become a milkman ;D
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You cheeky sods ;D
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there is no excuse not to swap over in this day and age, even if it means taking a loan out. and the extra money from quicker better priced work will soon pay it off. to be quite honest most of my cust houses have to be wfp as i couldnt reach them eitherwise.
think of the benefits
better knees and backs (not sure about necks though, ask me in 10 years time)
more earnings
safer
more custies
3rd storey access
shorter working days (if you wish)
anyone add to that?
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i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
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i just like the 6th 1 ;D ;D ;D thats me ;)
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i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
How you going to hide a ruddy ladder, at christmas you could decorate it with tinsel and pretend its a christmas tree, but the rest of the year you will be buggered ;D
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
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if i was you iwould sack your business advisor . iwonder what other bad advice she has given you
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WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!!
One a business adviser knows cock all about cleaning windows and two it's a woman :P
Just gonna get some £10 notes from my money tree
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
Another dreamer
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i cleaned a house trad but there was 1 window i couldnt do and another i had to pole off the top of a ladder,so i passed it over to one of the few wfp cleaners, last week i got a call customer has sacked him and wants me back as far better job even with one ropey window job and one missed,you couldnt give me a wfp system
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here here
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i cleaned a house trad but there was 1 window i couldnt do and another i had to pole off the top of a ladder,so i passed it over to one of the few wfp cleaners, last week i got a call customer has sacked him and wants me back as far better job even with one ropey window job and one missed,you couldnt give me a wfp system
& i was about 2 offer u mine Stan ;D
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here here
where? where? hehe ;D sorry just had 2put that :P
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i cleaned a house trad but there was 1 window i couldnt do and another i had to pole off the top of a ladder,so i passed it over to one of the few wfp cleaners, last week i got a call customer has sacked him and wants me back as far better job even with one ropey window job and one missed,you couldnt give me a wfp system
If you paased this job onto another trad cleaner and he done a p pore job what excuse would your customer use then.
Wfp is a tool to clean windows, the same as a squeegie, if they are not used correctly then the standards of clean will be tainted
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
good luck to you mate you clean the way you want and i will do it my way
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i cleaned a house trad but there was 1 window i couldnt do and another i had to pole off the top of a ladder,so i passed it over to one of the few wfp cleaners, last week i got a call customer has sacked him and wants me back as far better job even with one ropey window job and one missed,you couldnt give me a wfp system
& i was about 2 offer u mine Stan ;D
saves me refusing then ;D
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
i for one will not be buying wfp i am enjoying window cleaning the old fashioned way keeping fit minimal outgoings anyway some of the houses i do used to have a window cleaner with wfp i leave the windows spotless anyway they would have to catch me first
So, have they had other WFP`ers that they are not happy with as well then, or are you swiping trade from the trad fella`s, similar to undercutting?
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
got the chop of one customer because her son is going to valet the wfp cleaners car for every 3 cleans,talking to him yesterday he wasnt bothered about taking my job,but i stayed cool and didnt mention the 7 jobs on his round ive picked up because the customers dont like wfp ;D ;D
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
got the chop of one customer because her son is going to valet the wfp cleaners car for every 3 cleans,talking to him yesterday he wasnt bothered about taking my job,but i stayed cool and didnt mention the 7 jobs on his round ive picked up because the customers dont like wfp ;D ;D
Fantastic, Lol. ;D
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
Of course you could always ask her where she got it from ... ::)
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thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
got the chop of one customer because her son is going to valet the wfp cleaners car for every 3 cleans,talking to him yesterday he wasnt bothered about taking my job,but i stayed cool and didnt mention the 7 jobs on his round ive picked up because the customers dont like wfp ;D ;D
Fantastic, Lol. ;D
im also gonna start cleaning them on sat mornings to see how many more i can pick up ;D ;D
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i think saturdays and sundays have to be the days to pick up customers!
thats strange because i always get houses that arent happy with ladder monkeys and want a window cleaner that cleans the moden way and leave windows cleaner for longer with pure water and not with ladders and fairy liquid thatlook a mess after a day or 2 when it rains.
Every customer i speak to loves the pure water! ;D
got the chop of one customer because her son is going to valet the wfp cleaners car for every 3 cleans,talking to him yesterday he wasnt bothered about taking my job,but i stayed cool and didnt mention the 7 jobs on his round ive picked up because the customers dont like wfp ;D ;D
Fantastic, Lol. ;D
im also gonna start cleaning them on sat mornings to see how many more i can pick up ;D ;D
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YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER ...
Windy One: I love my wfp - I earn more, feel less tired at the end of the day and I won't fall off a ladder - you really should try it!
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - wfp is rubbish!
Windy One: No it's not - I can do 3 houses in the time I would have taken to do 2 when I was trad and I do the cills and frames at the same time too. My customers love it.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - my custy's wouldn't like it - all that water dripping down their walls.
Windy One: You've got to prepare them of course and that can be a bit frightening - just explain that insurance and health and safety and commercial customers are driving you this way - surely you can tell your customers that climbing a ladder 100 times a day is putting your life at risk - they wouldn't want you to do that would they if there is a viable alternative? And their windows and frames will really shine when you've mastered it. I'll show you how if you like.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - I never have accidents. In fact I took a custy off of a wfp operator cuz it's rubbish.
Windy One: It's true that there are poor wfp operators just as there are poor traditional cleaners - but you want to do the best for your custy don't you? You want to get those windows above the conservatories and those rooflights and those windows over porches?
Windy Two: Nah - not for me I love the skill of trad cleaning.
Windy One: But if I can show you a way to do your job in two thirds of the time or earning a third more and you'll provide better for your loved ones and have more chance of being around to see them then surely it's worth doing?
Windy Two: Nah - not for me it's too expensive to set up ...
Windy One: I used to think like that but for less than a grand you can build your own system and put it in a trailer behind your car.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me, I don't like wfp it does a bad job.
Windy One: Well I have experience of both wfp and trad and I've made wfp work to my and my family's benefit and my customers are happy too.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me ...
Windy One: Ok, see you around.
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nice one gold, ive got a good mate who i go out on the motorbike most weekends whos trad, hes been 15 yrs now, just happened to bump into him cleaning next door to 2 ive got together, hes says to me those 2 used to be my custies, how much are you charging them, i said £20 every 8 weeks, (9 windows) cor he says i used to charge them £10! i looked at his house and said arent you cleaning the frames (they were green) no chance not for £12.50 (big con at back)
i told him you can double your money but to no avail
ive tried and tried to convince him but as you say "can lead a horse"
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YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER ...
Windy One: I love my wfp - I earn more, feel less tired at the end of the day and I won't fall off a ladder - you really should try it!
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - wfp is rubbish!
Windy One: No it's not - I can do 3 houses in the time I would have taken to do 2 when I was trad and I do the cills and frames at the same time too. My customers love it.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - my custy's wouldn't like it - all that water dripping down their walls.
Windy One: You've got to prepare them of course and that can be a bit frightening - just explain that insurance and health and safety and commercial customers are driving you this way - surely you can tell your customers that climbing a ladder 100 times a day is putting your life at risk - they wouldn't want you to do that would they if there is a viable alternative? And their windows and frames will really shine when you've mastered it. I'll show you how if you like.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me - I never have accidents. In fact I took a custy off of a wfp operator cuz it's rubbish.
Windy One: It's true that there are poor wfp operators just as there are poor traditional cleaners - but you want to do the best for your custy don't you? You want to get those windows above the conservatories and those rooflights and those windows over porches?
Windy Two: Nah - not for me I love the skill of trad cleaning.
Windy One: But if I can show you a way to do your job in two thirds of the time or earning a third more and you'll provide better for your loved ones and have more chance of being around to see them then surely it's worth doing?
Windy Two: Nah - not for me it's too expensive to set up ...
Windy One: I used to think like that but for less than a grand you can build your own system and put it in a trailer behind your car.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me, I don't like wfp it does a bad job.
Windy One: Well I have experience of both wfp and trad and I've made wfp work to my and my my family's benefit and my customers are happy too.
Windy Two: Nah - not for me ...
Windy One: Ok, see you around.
So true, what's the point in trying to convince someone. By the way do you write number 2 talks for the sisters. ;)
Simon.
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Just been to see my business adviser this afternoon and to my surprise she told me that at the end of next month its going to be law that all window cleaners need to have a water fed pole system. Does anyone know anything about this?
OF COURSE IT'S TRUE!! and you'll have to have your pole checked every three months to make sure it's safe, and get a certificate to prove it, and your hose reel will need an MOT certificate, and your pump will have to have its electrics examined and certified safe, and your battery will have to have a guaranteed minimum life, and your brush will have to comply with the latest European directive to have anti-scratch bristles and your gooseneck will have to be made from real geese, otherwise you'll have to call it a 'simulated' gooseneck and your brush jets will have to produce a standard width of water emanating no further than 2.7845 metres from the brush and a man with a green umbrella with the words 'danger - falling water' on it will have to walk no more than three and no less than one pace in front of you while you work.........
............and then the water companies will declare a drought, ban us from using our legally required WFPs and we'll all be out of work.
Right, that's it - I'm hitching a ride on that passing flying pig.
I'm fed up of this place, its always cloudy and I can't stand the sound of cuckoos
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have u not heard ,allimnium .is the new gold .in the valleys the scrap men ar giving us petrol coupons for ladders
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I say Leave the trad guys alone, the very last thing I need is for everyone going WFP and carrying a 60 ft pole.
It's competitive enough as it is.
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I say Leave the trad guys alone, the very last thing I need is for everyone going WFP and carrying a 60 ft pole.
It's competitive enough as it is.
;D
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I say Leave the trad guys alone, the very last thing I need is for everyone going WFP and carrying a 60 ft pole.
It's competitive enough as it is.
Getting any sleep with that new babber. Dai? ;D
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I say Leave the trad guys alone, the very last thing I need is for everyone going WFP and carrying a 60 ft pole.
It's competitive enough as it is.
Getting any sleep with that new babber. Dai? ;D
My Mrs is staying downstairs with the baby tonight. I can't sleep properly with the baby in our bed, i'm afraid of rolling on her in the night. Our bed is 6ft wide so we tried her in a Moses basket in between us, but ther little madam won't sleep in it.
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Does that mean all the sky dish installers will have to have hammers and screwdrivers attached to a pole ???
;D
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Does that mean all the sky dish installers will have to have hammers and screwdrivers attached to a pole ???
;D
But of course Gazza - and Firemen will have to use hoverboards.
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nice one gazza ;D
ive seen a lot of bt engineers wearing helmets, anyone think that would be a good idea for tradys?
i do use a ladder for internal gutter cleans, i was thinking about using one?
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Does that mean all the sky dish installers will have to have hammers and screwdrivers attached to a pole ???
;D
But of course Gazza - and Firemen will have to use hoverboards.
wasnt there a few part time firemen/wc going around saying that the wc where illegal as they where the only people trained to go up ladders
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
easy done
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
easy done
I want something that looks proffesional, & not something like a pram with a beer keg on top.
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
easy done
I want something that looks proffesional, & not something like a pram with a beer keg on top.
im not a cowboy and no exactly what you need i started off just like you mate in a flat and ive never lookede back
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im 100% trad at the moment but only climb ladders 50 times a day as i use extension poles for windows over porches etc.i have a ladderstopper and laddermitts.i do all i can to make trad cleaning safe and i do an excellent job esp now i use gg3 which is a revelation in itself after using fairy for years!much better finish and no suds to wipe up! ;D ;D
i am going to get a trolley system around august and i reckon ill cut my ladder work down to virtually a few accounts here and there.
there is no ladder ban that im aware of but im going wfp for my own safety/save my knees and hopefully ill earn more in a day!! ;) ;)
best wishes to everyone
dazmond
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
easy done
I want something that looks proffesional, & not something like a pram with a beer keg on top.
im not a cowboy and no exactly what you need i started off just like you mate in a flat and ive never lookede back
Did not mean to sound facetious mate, but when asking for advice & receiving a reply saying "easy done", well it don`t really help anyone. ???
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not every 1 has the money 2do it :( if it does happpen the gov should help 2wards it :-\
Your having a laugh I am guessing, if you cannot afford £600 you should not be in business sorry if that sounds harsh, but come on I do the same job as you and now what you can earn
Right, I have my £600.00, I am in a very hard water area & need to have A RO & DI setup.
I live in a flat, so I can`t purify the water at home. I have asked family, but they are not prepared to set up a system on their properties.
Please advise further. ???
easy done
I want something that looks proffesional, & not something like a pram with a beer keg on top.
im not a cowboy and no exactly what you need i started off just like you mate in a flat and ive never lookede back
Did not mean to sound facetious mate, but when asking for advice & receiving a reply saying "easy done", well it don`t really help anyone. ???
You can do this for £600 or less , you will have to buy secondhand, there is always items for sale on here in the buy and sell section, tanks are normally about £50 ish, you can always use barrels (free from a car wash) you need an ro, these come up on here upto £100 for a secondhand ro, I sold one for £50 in working order, you need a di vessal, ibc tank if you wanted to make water at home, again you can get these free or upto £50, you can start off with a harris pole from b&Q as you starting pole, all in is less than £30 (do a search on youtube for waterfed pole for less than £30) I made a vid on it and how to make it. you can get a second hand hose reel for upto £50 seen them on here and ebay, pump and controller, look for red hat diving on ebay for there pumps they are cheap (not sure how long they last as not used them)
there are a few other little bits needed but as I said it can be done
if you are serious and want to do this I will help you.
Hope that helps a little
Ian
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Getting back to the original question:
You need to ask her where she got the information from and to check its accuracy.
If she's right, give her a bonus. She's ahead of the curve since no one else seems to know anything about it.
If she's wrong about this, what else could she be wrong about? Sack her.
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Well... Im going to see her in about a weeks time so i'll post again when i find out where she got the information from. Thanks for the replies fellas.
Andy,
Is she a proffesional business advisor that you pay for, or a bank, or business link type thing?
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have u not heard ,allimnium .is the new gold .in the valleys the scrap men ar giving us petrol coupons for ladders
get £10 for my old ones at local scrapyard
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move to a property with with acess to an outside tap and if you say you can aford to
then do more work and you will have more money to spend like the rest of us