Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on March 16, 2010, 11:36:30 pm
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If you think more regulation is required with our industry or not please vote.
Just interested in the response from fellow window cleaners.
Matt
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
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to be honest, i can see the day that u will need a licence in england, and to get that u will need ur NVQ, insurance etc
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as long as it dont cost anything & u aint gotta sit on a crap course ;D
if u ave then they can poke it :-X
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to be honest, i can see the day that u will need a licence in england, and to get that u will need ur NVQ, insurance etc
they can shove that rite where the sun dont shine ;)
i tell u now i 4 1 will never do it >:( so i will b elegal hehe ;D oh i can live wiv that ;D
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Its not going to happen guys they might bring a licence in but it just b to get more money out of the working class and not to stop cowboys as for banning ladders they are supposed to b for access not working off.but as a shiner is up and down quicker than some birds knickers I can see it happening
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Morning.
What makes you think or how will regulation stop the dole cheats or cowboys.
There will alway be people who turn a blind eye and employ these people.
I lost one the other day because their son had lost his job and he has a family to support, so they were going to pay him. Is he a cowboy or dole cheat?
All I know is while I am paying to be regulated, there will always be these people.
Lee
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Instead of saying "it wont be regulated" why not give some suggestions of HOW it could or should be regulated.
Matt
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That's a hard 1 to b honest as I can't see how it would b done and enforced propprely and fairly.and reading some of the posts about licencing in Scotland it doesn't seem to work.I really don't mean to b negative about just can't see how except on commercial work
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Dole cheats should be regulated without a doubt, but I wouldn't want any new regulations costing existing/established/honest cleaners any time, money or paperwork related stress.
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Council officers have got more important things to worry about - you know the sort of thing - how to support a focus group to encompass transvestite care in the community and how to set up a steering group to discuss child development on St. Helena.
The Police can't even stop a disabled woman and her child being bullied to death so they aren't gonna be interested.
Regulation for windies is a complete waste of time. We're cleaners for goodness sake!
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Steveo I still use trad on some windows, I am not starting a Trad/WFP war.
All I am looking at is what percentage of Window cleaners on here want or dont want more regulation within the trade.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for guys starting up within the industry and fully understand that they can only afford Trad gear and use their own cars.
Thats how I started out, but when you have guys on benefits coming out when the sunshines and only charging £3-4 for a 3 bed semi and they have no PL insurance and have no respect for customers or their property it gives us all a very bad name.
Matt
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Those people won't last, if they mess around at customers houses and do a bad job then its only a matter of time before they get the boot. If every window cleaner was as professional and dedicated as ourselves then that would be the time to worry!!
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I think our industry should be regulated or licensed but I do not think it would be policed well enough.
Scotland have a licensing system already and from what i understand this does not stop the cowboys as it is not policed properly.
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Council officers have got more important things to worry about - you know the sort of thing - how to support a focus group to encompass transvestite care in the community and how to set up a steering group to discuss child development on St. Helena.
The Police can't even stop a disabled woman and her child being bullied to death so they aren't gonna be interested.
Regulation for windies is a complete waste of time. We're cleaners for goodness sake!
Thank you for that. A bit of perspective is useful now and again.
The problem is that the government might just see that regulating window cleaners sits well with parking enforcement, smoking in public buildings regulation enforcement and closing care homes - those other vital council responsibilities.
You'd then be getting letters from your local "Senior Fenestration Maintenance Operators Regulation Administrative Assistant" urging you to pay your licensing fees by direct debit monthly to avoid fines for late payment.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
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I think it will too formb, but we have to have it on a national license not a county one.
Matt
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to be honest, i can see the day that u will need a licence in england, and to get that u will need ur NVQ, insurance etc
We don't need NVQs etc. But we do need insurance + a police check.
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as long as it dont cost anything & u aint gotta sit on a crap course ;D
if u ave then they can poke it :-X
We pay £150 for 5 years. It is almost a good idea as it puts off wannabes especially this time of year but, you only have to prove you are insured at the start of the term. I personally send a copy of my insurance in every year.
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I think our industry should be regulated or licensed but I do not think it would be policed well enough.
Scotland have a licensing system already and from what i understand this does not stop the cowboys as it is not policed properly.
If some f***er undercuts you and nicks your customer without a license you can report the slimey little dole cheat.
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Perhaps one answer, would be to look at other sectors, such as Gassafe, which took over from Corgi. Everyone knew that a gas engineer, should be corgi registered. If you didn't ask the question, then more fool you.
Part of the problem is that has an industry we don't have a truly registered trade association. A body that promotes the industry in a positiive light, aims to reduce poor practice and raises public awareness, for all suppliers, providers and customers.
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Perhaps one answer, would be to look at other sectors, such as Gassafe, which took over from Corgi. Everyone knew that a gas engineer, should be corgi registered. If you didn't ask the question, then more fool you.
Part of the problem is that has an industry we don't have a truly registered trade association. A body that promotes the industry in a positiive light, aims to reduce poor practice and raises public awareness, for all suppliers, providers and customers.
Thats not really the issue for me. Generally if someone is unhappy with their windows they just won't pay. Corgi & Gassafe is more for safety Someone could fit your boiler leave and then months later you find out he ballsed it up when you wake up dead.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
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I agree with you 100% Matt with your post on the other thread regarding a national licence, as opposed to local council run thing.
I think it would deter many a cowboy dole cheat, if they had to show say a record of trading, or face a hefty fine.
I think it would be beneficial to all who trade legit, whatever their method of working.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
And you approve of something that is entirely down to police discretion? How can you be so naive?
And do you really believe that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
No. Anything administered by unaccountable jobsworths is going to cause trouble. It's in the nature of policemen, council officials (and primary headteachers) to make utterly stupid decisions based on their own wrong-headed interpretation of regulations.
Don't believe me?
* Police using terrorism legislation on pensioners. Police wanting to ban the Bulldog Bash on the chief constable's whim.
* Councils using RIPA powers to chase pushy parents. Prosecuting a couple for having noisy sex.
(* Headteachers banning conkers, home-made cakes and sports days.)
Licences will just be another layer of power given to another bunch of council idiots to drive up the public sector wage bill to no good effect.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
It does make sense but I still believe that licensing across the board is overkill. Living on the borders of three counties, I am very unwilling to pay three license fees. If I am deemed a fit person to clean windows in one county then I am fit to clean them in another. Just consider whether every door to door salesperson needs a license. Or every canvasser (for ANY trade). Or the guy who delivers fish from door to door. Or all the milkmen (there are still some left).
IMO the only reason window cleaners have been singled out is because many dodgy characters pretend to be window cleaners when they are up to no good. Sometimes they pretend to be water company officials but they tend to be employees anyway so don't incur any cost. There are other reasons I'm anti but I'm not going into all that right now.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
And you approve of something that is entirely down to police discretion? How can you be so naive?
And do you really believe that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
No. Anything administered by unaccountable jobsworths is going to cause trouble. It's in the nature of policemen, council officials (and primary headteachers) to make utterly stupid decisions based on their own wrong-headed interpretation of regulations.
Don't believe me?
* Police using terrorism legislation on pensioners. Police wanting to ban the Bulldog Bash on the chief constable's whim.
* Councils using RIPA powers to chase pushy parents. Prosecuting a couple for having noisy sex.
(* Headteachers banning conkers, home-made cakes and sports days.)
Licences will just be another layer of power given to another bunch of council idiots to drive up the public sector wage bill to no good effect.
I could add to what Wally has written but he says it better than I :)
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I do not think that a licencing scheme will work, the way that the dog licence was dropped by the goverment this week.
The main reason is that the people who the licence is targeted at will not give a damm and that then makes the licence useless.
BUT if you insist on a licence then make one which has some power to it, for example.
There is only one licence that covers the whole of the UK.
The licence fee should be set at the rate it costs to regulate it, it should not be used to generate cash as a tax.
There should be a minimum charge that all uk window cleaners should charge, this I would reccomend at £8 to £10.
All cleaners must have Insurance.
All cleaners must undertake a heath and safety awareness course.
All ladder uses must hold a seperate licence which is renewed every 5 years, the same way that cleaners who use cherry pickers must be Ipac licenced.
All ladders must undergo a mot every year.
All wfp water tanks must be secured in the back of their vans, they also must be baffled.
Landline telephone numbers must be used on all stationary and vechicles.
You licence must be displayed so anyone can see that it is current.
Your licence can be suspended or cancelled if you bully either you customers or other cleaners who move onto "Your Patch".
These are just a few thing that I would like to see, there are properly many others rules that other cleaners have in mind as well.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
It does make sense but I still believe that licensing across the board is overkill. Living on the borders of three counties, I am very unwilling to pay three license fees. If I am deemed a fit person to clean windows in one county then I am fit to clean them in another. Just consider whether every door to door salesperson needs a license. Or every canvasser (for ANY trade). Or the guy who delivers fish from door to door. Or all the milkmen (there are still some left).
IMO the only reason window cleaners have been singled out is because many dodgy characters pretend to be window cleaners when they are up to no good. Sometimes they pretend to be water company officials but they tend to be employees anyway so don't incur any cost. There are other reasons I'm anti but I'm not going into all that right now.
Everything you mention there is a minority. I am no angel and have a police record. I also employ a few lads who have been in trouble in the past. The police see it as a good thing that they are working and help us where they can.
I admit it is not perfect and is open to abuse from the police.
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Oh please dont start, you'll have that scottish bloke banging on about licensing in england again, which is exactly what we DONT want.
Guess what I'm a Scottish bloke, we are licensed and it works. Not long ago a convicted sex offender was arrested for cleaning windows without a license. It works if you have nothing to hide it will benefit you.
The bit I've highlighted is not really the issue though is it? He was a convicted sex offender whatever way he chose to earn his money. Also, there is no way of knowing if he was the type of sex offender with a diseased mind who would be likely to be a repeat offender or if he was someone who say got drunk at a party an inappropriately toughed someone. Still very wrong of course but the latter example is not generally likely to be a repeat offender.
Either way, I don't believe it makes a case for licensing.
The more power you give those power crazed town hall bosses, the more they will abuse it IMO.
You missed my point.
The problem was not that he was a sex offender the problem was he had no license. There are police checks in place for window cleaners here, it is entirely down to their discretion whether he could get a license or not if he had applied for one.
I do not know if he was a peado, rapist or just a w****r the point is if he had a license then his customers can be safe in the knowledge that he had been deemed safe to be in and around peoples houses by a member of the local constabulary.
Surely that makes sense?
It does make sense but I still believe that licensing across the board is overkill. Living on the borders of three counties, I am very unwilling to pay three license fees. If I am deemed a fit person to clean windows in one county then I am fit to clean them in another. Just consider whether every door to door salesperson needs a license. Or every canvasser (for ANY trade). Or the guy who delivers fish from door to door. Or all the milkmen (there are still some left).
IMO the only reason window cleaners have been singled out is because many dodgy characters pretend to be window cleaners when they are up to no good. Sometimes they pretend to be water company officials but they tend to be employees anyway so don't incur any cost. There are other reasons I'm anti but I'm not going into all that right now.
I work in 2 counties on 1 license without any problem
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good points hydro
like hydros says, it wont stop the ones it is meant to, if they every bring in a licence, they will probably only enforce it on big commercial jobs, in the public sector, as i dont think mr chip shop owner will care less if you was licensed or not, as long as you where
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And you approve of something that is entirely down to police discretion? How can you be so naive?
And do you really believe that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
No. Anything administered by unaccountable jobsworths is going to cause trouble. It's in the nature of policemen, council officials (and primary headteachers) to make utterly stupid decisions based on their own wrong-headed interpretation of regulations.
Don't believe me?
* Police using terrorism legislation on pensioners. Police wanting to ban the Bulldog Bash on the chief constable's whim.
* Councils using RIPA powers to chase pushy parents. Prosecuting a couple for having noisy sex.
(* Headteachers banning conkers, home-made cakes and sports days.)
Licences will just be another layer of power given to another bunch of council idiots to drive up the public sector wage bill to no good effect.
Naive?
I have been licensed for 10 years. There are many subjects which I may well be naive about.
This is not one of them
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I do not think that a licencing scheme will work, the way that the dog licence was dropped by the goverment this week.
The main reason is that the people who the licence is targeted at will not give a damm and that then makes the licence useless.
BUT if you insist on a licence then make one which has some power to it, for example.
There is only one licence that covers the whole of the UK.
The licence fee should be set at the rate it costs to regulate it, it should not be used to generate cash as a tax.
There should be a minimum charge that all uk window cleaners should charge, this I would reccomend at £8 to £10.
All cleaners must have Insurance.
All cleaners must undertake a heath and safety awareness course.
All ladder uses must hold a seperate licence which is renewed every 5 years, the same way that cleaners who use cherry pickers must be Ipac licenced.
All ladders must undergo a mot every year.
All wfp water tanks must be secured in the back of their vans, they also must be baffled.
Landline telephone numbers must be used on all stationary and vechicles.
You licence must be displayed so anyone can see that it is current.
Your licence can be suspended or cancelled if you bully either you customers or other cleaners who move onto "Your Patch".
These are just a few thing that I would like to see, there are properly many others rules that other cleaners have in mind as well.
I agree with most of your points.
We have used licenses to our advantage though.
I have seen it enforced, first hand.
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theres nothing wrong with how things are now,i cant believe how upset people get about dole cheats just report them ,a lot of people dont agree with the patch system but we dont have a problem with dole cheats
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Why should we be licensed and have to pay a yearly subscription when the root of the problem is with guys cheating the dole system?
They are the ones that need monitoring..not us!
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There's a benefit cheat hotline for dole w/c's. It doesn't stop them earning fAgs and booze money so where's the point in us paying extra hidden charges being regulated as it won't give us any new advantages in practice over dole cheats.
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I do not think that a licencing scheme will work, the way that the dog licence was dropped by the goverment this week.
The main reason is that the people who the licence is targeted at will not give a damm and that then makes the licence useless.
BUT if you insist on a licence then make one which has some power to it, for example.
There is only one licence that covers the whole of the UK.
The licence fee should be set at the rate it costs to regulate it, it should not be used to generate cash as a tax.
There should be a minimum charge that all uk window cleaners should charge, this I would reccomend at £8 to £10.
All cleaners must have Insurance.
All cleaners must undertake a heath and safety awareness course.
All ladder uses must hold a seperate licence which is renewed every 5 years, the same way that cleaners who use cherry pickers must be Ipac licenced.
All ladders must undergo a mot every year.
All wfp water tanks must be secured in the back of their vans, they also must be baffled.
Landline telephone numbers must be used on all stationary and vechicles.
You licence must be displayed so anyone can see that it is current.
Your licence can be suspended or cancelled if you bully either you customers or other cleaners who move onto "Your Patch".
These are just a few thing that I would like to see, there are properly many others rules that other cleaners have in mind as well.
Great response, giving ideas on how we can approch this matter is very helpful.
Matt
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Funny thing Matt we had a very long chat with Craig about this yesterday, i for one would welcome regulation and a strict licensing scheme. It can only benefit the genuine trader. Your looking not so ugly today Matt..lol
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Funny thing Matt we had a very long chat with Craig about this yesterday, i for one would welcome regulation and a strict licensing scheme. It can only benefit the genuine trader. Your looking not so ugly today Matt..lol
Here in Scotland it is not very strict. I have been asked to produce my license only once in over 10 years but, if you see someone operating without one you can grass the f***er up and he will get arrested.
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Funny thing Matt we had a very long chat with Craig about this yesterday, i for one would welcome regulation and a strict licensing scheme. It can only benefit the genuine trader. Your looking not so ugly today Matt..lol
Here in Scotland it is not very strict. I have been asked to produce my license only once in over 10 years but, if you see someone operating without one you can grass the f***er up and he will get arrested.
You can grass on dole cheats but usually there is very little or no response from the authorities
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I dont see the point of being regulated. Who will monitor those without a license?
If someone wants to break the law, they will whether we are regulated or not.
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I dont see the point of being regulated. Who will monitor those without a license?
If someone wants to break the law, they will whether we are regulated or not.
What's to stop you doing it? I know you can grass up dole cheats, fire men, oil workers for not paying tax or having insurance but that is not really a police issue.
If they are cleaning windows without a license they are directly breaking a written law no arguments. They will be arrested. Simples :)
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Sadly I think it wouldn't make any difference.
Some people will care that their windy is licenced, many will not as long as he is cheap.
Look at how many people use someone who they KNOW is a dole cheat, or who will almost wink at you when they pay cash assuming you are not going to declare it.
It won't stop the cheats, it won't stop the dodgy people because as in Scotland it will not be enforced properly.
I could be wrong, how many people have been prosecuted under the Scottish rules, does anyone know? If its loads then I am wrong, but I bet it's not.
End of rant
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Sadly I think it wouldn't make any difference.
Some people will care that their windy is licenced, many will not as long as he is cheap.
Look at how many people use someone who they KNOW is a dole cheat, or who will almost wink at you when they pay cash assuming you are not going to declare it.
It won't stop the cheats, it won't stop the dodgy people because as in Scotland it will not be enforced properly.
I could be wrong, how many people have been prosecuted under the Scottish rules, does anyone know? If its loads then I am wrong, but I bet it's not.
End of rant
I personally know 3 people who have been arrested for cleaning windows without a license.
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Sadly I think it wouldn't make any difference.
Some people will care that their windy is licenced, many will not as long as he is cheap.
Look at how many people use someone who they KNOW is a dole cheat, or who will almost wink at you when they pay cash assuming you are not going to declare it.
It won't stop the cheats, it won't stop the dodgy people because as in Scotland it will not be enforced properly.
I could be wrong, how many people have been prosecuted under the Scottish rules, does anyone know? If its loads then I am wrong, but I bet it's not.
End of rant
I personally know 3 people who have been arrested for cleaning windows without a license.
Really? That is interesting. If it is enforced then a licence might work, but if someone is willing to be a benefit cheat it wouldn't stop them. I don't know I am all conflicted now ;D
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Sadly I think it wouldn't make any difference.
Some people will care that their windy is licenced, many will not as long as he is cheap.
Look at how many people use someone who they KNOW is a dole cheat, or who will almost wink at you when they pay cash assuming you are not going to declare it.
It won't stop the cheats, it won't stop the dodgy people because as in Scotland it will not be enforced properly.
I could be wrong, how many people have been prosecuted under the Scottish rules, does anyone know? If its loads then I am wrong, but I bet it's not.
End of rant
I personally know 3 people who have been arrested for cleaning windows without a license.
Really? That is interesting. If it is enforced then a licence might work, but if someone is willing to be a benefit cheat it wouldn't stop them. I don't know I am all conflicted now ;D
The police don't go following window cleaners harassing them to produce a license but, if they recieve a complaint they will follow it up.
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That maybe the case in Scotland, but in England, I doubt that the police would 'Have Time' to respond to illegal window cleaners.
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last thing on the polices list would be window cleaners
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That maybe the case in Scotland, but in England, I doubt that the police would 'Have Time' to respond to illegal window cleaners.
They wont need the time, they will just pass that case on to the benefit office and revenue and customs. It will be these guys who press charges.
Matt
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no
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That maybe the case in Scotland, but in England, I doubt that the police would 'Have Time' to respond to illegal window cleaners.
why should we pay a fee so they can be screwed rather leave things as they are
They wont need the time, they will just pass that case on to the benefit office and revenue and customs. It will be these guys who press charges.
Matt
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That maybe the case in Scotland, but in England, I doubt that the police would 'Have Time' to respond to illegal window cleaners.
What you think we have less crime up here in Bonnie Scotland?
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Why don`t the window cleaners on this forum think about contacting your local councils to introduce a reliable trading company scheme.
Associate members could all agree to carry public liability insurance and a CRB checks.
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its ok bringing in all these regs, but how do u stop the cowboys, most will risk it till they get court
they already have FWC BWCA etc and people moan about joining them, saying i dont need to be a member to be professional
its like corgi/gas safe scheme, they reacon there is 2 million jobs done a year by people who arnt gas safe, and that is well advertised scheme,
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it would remove the stigma surround being a windi, and thin out the scally dole jiro sc** . so people would recognise the possitive proggression of proffesional windi's. :)
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Well said N'tro
Matt
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We are far too highly regulated as it is, increase regulation= diminished rights.
Anyone has the right to clean windows for money, or cut hedges, dig gardens or anything else that's legal.
In the old days women would take in washing to earn a few extra pennies.
How can we deny the right of anyone, to work and earn at any job he likes?
I don't like it when someone canvasses my customers and undercuts my prices, none of us do, but I will always stick up for his right to do it.
In order to protect our rights, we have to be prepared to fight for the rights of others.
People have given their lives to protect our freedoms, and I see it a duty to protect every single one of them.
I think that sometimes we are too quick to brand people as dole cheats, especially when they seem to be working for peanuts, but most under pricing is carried out by newbies, that compare the minimum basic wage with what they can earn window cleaning.
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been cleaning windows scotland 18 years.never been asked to see licence. :(not boverd with one last 5/6 years.see more and more windys most days.doubt any have licence.have quite a few police customers.(nice people)did 1 today.had a chat.they've more important things to do i think than check if u on brew or not.would like to see more social/council checks to crack down on dole cheats doing work (usually crap) cheap ,no overheads.gonae apply for one next week thou,just went wfp :)totally amazed at results ;D
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Regulated by who ???
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There not much job wise you can just start up and do nearly everything has regs just let W/C be one that is kept how it has always been.Also the one that have voted yes are probably the bigger companies who dont even want to give the little man a chance.I cleaned some windows the other day quoted she said the price was fine then she asked do i do the frames and sill i said course i do the complete window, she said she a a company do them last 4 ment turned up did them in about 10 minutes and after she had to clean the sills and frames there i think the company were the cowboys.