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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mitch2810 on March 04, 2010, 08:17:19 pm
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I know I have mentioned this to you guys before but for those who haven`t read my posts I urge you to consider getting Mark at DP Design & Print to build your websites for you. Even if you already have a site, for the prices he charges it would be worth you getting another site to either target another area of your business or target another region of coverage. There is nothing stopping you having a website to cover every major town you cover. He will build you a complete CMS website from scratch for £199 with almost guaranteed first page ranking with google within a month. These sites allow you to add and change your own content as often as you like.If you want to find out more contact Mark. His wesite is www.carpetcleaningwebsites.co.uk or if you would like to take a look at the two sites he has done for us feel free before making a decision. They are
www.birminghamcarpetcleaner.co.uk
www.walsall-commercial-cleaners.co.uk
Good luck guys
Phil Mitchell
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I notice DP print own the websites? Maybe get them transfered into your name ???
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so are you given your sites access codes when dp make your site or are you simply renting the site for one off fee. can you choose not to use who dp uses for hosting or are you stuck with it.
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Mark DP
No the site and the url can be transfered to the carpet cleaner at any time if they wish to move the site to there own server
along with the url then that is theres to do....
However this is for there own personal use only and they aren't allowed to resell the core code of any site to another carpet cleaning company.
Kind regrds
Mark
www.carpetcleaningwebsites.co.uk
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i'm on my second website from mark.
and planning 2 more at least.
should be ready soon i hope.
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"almost guaranteed first page ranking with google within a month"
"for £195"
;D sure. it's funny how quickly "if it's too good to be true" is thrown out the window by people who would gladly quote it at others times when it's about something they don't know. some people here act like they are so great it really amazes me sometimes.
i'm sure people will be here posting about how great they are, but really do people honestly believe that 10 years after the internet boomed that you can still get a number one website on google, for £195, in less then a month. lol ok. that sort of result is worth many thousands to a business, but £195 is all you need. good luck
also good luck staying at number one when everyone jumps on this amazing new find, if more then 10 people discover this crazy new find then how can you still be on page number one on google? weird stuff
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Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
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Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
I could rent a rug doctor and clean my carpets myself although I don think I could do as good a job as a pro - cleaner with a truck mount machine.
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Why would you make such a ridiculous statement before speaking to people who know that this is true. Due to the amount of websites developed by DP, they are all linked up and yes, we do get to the first page within a month.Dont knock it until you try it! If you care enough about promoting your business then I suggest you jump aboard and give it a go, that is if you can afford £199 ;D
"almost guaranteed first page ranking with google within a month"
"for £195"
;D sure. it's funny how quickly "if it's too good to be true" is thrown out the window by people who would gladly quote it at others times when it's about something they don't know. some people here act like they are so great it really amazes me sometimes.
i'm sure people will be here posting about how great they are, but really do people honestly believe that 10 years after the internet boomed that you can still get a number one website on google, for £195, in less then a month. lol ok. that sort of result is worth many thousands to a business, but £195 is all you need. good luck
also good luck staying at number one when everyone jumps on this amazing new find, if more then 10 people discover this crazy new find then how can you still be on page number one on google? weird stuff
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Just did a quick search to find out where you ranked for carpet cleaning Guildford and guess what you were not to be found. Now please do a search for carpet cleaning sutton coldfield (my home town) or commercial cleaning walsall and see where my two sites rank. This throws your assumption that this cant be done right out of the window.
Phil "almost guaranteed first page ranking with google within a month"
"for £195"
;D sure. it's funny how quickly "if it's too good to be true" is thrown out the window by people who would gladly quote it at others times when it's about something they don't know. some people here act like they are so great it really amazes me sometimes.
i'm sure people will be here posting about how great they are, but really do people honestly believe that 10 years after the internet boomed that you can still get a number one website on google, for £195, in less then a month. lol ok. that sort of result is worth many thousands to a business, but £195 is all you need. good luck
also good luck staying at number one when everyone jumps on this amazing new find, if more then 10 people discover this crazy new find then how can you still be on page number one on google? weird stuff
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Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
how often do we here that in our line of work. everything can be done cheaper if you do it yourself.
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Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
Westy, I take it you are one of the "clean a full house for £50" brigade. If you want a professional job you have to pay for it. You also have to ask yourself "what value do I put on my time?" and "how long will it take me to put together a website of a similar standard". When you have answered those questions are you still looking at $47 and will anybody be able to find your site. Wake up and smell the coffee.....
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"almost guaranteed first page ranking with google within a month"
"for £195"
;D sure. it's funny how quickly "if it's too good to be true" is thrown out the window by people who would gladly quote it at others times when it's about something they don't know. some people here act like they are so great it really amazes me sometimes.
i'm sure people will be here posting about how great they are, but really do people honestly believe that 10 years after the internet boomed that you can still get a number one website on google, for £195, in less then a month. lol ok. that sort of result is worth many thousands to a business, but £195 is all you need. good luck
also good luck staying at number one when everyone jumps on this amazing new find, if more then 10 people discover this crazy new find then how can you still be on page number one on google? weird stuff
green
forums are about helping our fellow carpet cleaners. mitch has found a service that would be of interest to people on this forum, he's used his services and is very happy with them, so he's sharing it with us. you've never used his services and are all ready slagging him off. don't think i need to say anymore really, do i.
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Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
Westy, I take it you are one of the "clean a full house for £50" brigade. If you want a professional job you have to pay for it. You also have to ask yourself "what value do I put on my time?" and "how long will it take me to put together a website of a similar standard". When you have answered those questions are you still looking at $47 and will anybody be able to find your site. Wake up and smell the coffee.....
I'm quite capable of making a website from simple templates and adding logos and text to it and charging someone for my time, I was just pointing out that if someone wants to cut costs that their are many companys that offer the whole package if you have the time to design it yourself. Good luck to you.
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green
forums are about helping our fellow carpet cleaners. mitch has found a service that would be of interest to people on this forum, he's used his services and is very happy with them, so he's sharing it with us. you've never used his services and are all ready slagging him off. don't think i need to say anymore really, do i.
derek,
these forums are about helpinf fellow cleaners, i have seen a service which seems too good to be true so posting my views to help people on this forum. i see this rubbish all the time and i'm sharing how i feel about it with you. i've never used his services nor have i ever used a rug doctor, does that mean i can't slag off the service? if someone comes here saying they use a rug doctor and it works does that mean we can't give our opinions of it and how much better a professional carpet cleaning machine would be? don't think i need to say anymore really, do i?
Just did a quick search to find out where you ranked for carpet cleaning Guildford and guess what you were not to be found. Now please do a search for carpet cleaning sutton coldfield (my home town) or commercial cleaning walsall and see where my two sites rank. This throws your assumption that this cant be done right out of the window.
Phil
just did a quick search and i couldn't find http://www.carpetcleaners-surrey.co.uk/ either ???
why would i rank high on google for carpet cleaning? what do i do towards it? i guess i should pay £199 for this service yeah and my site will magically be on page number 1? wow sounds so good i can't beleive it's true. you're actually proving why this is a waste of money, he guarantees you first page google within a month yet some who mine isn't first page google and i've done even more then he offers. anyone else think something isn't adding up? anyone heard of google sandbox? if not google it ;D
Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
I could rent a rug doctor and clean my carpets myself although I don think I could do as good a job as a pro - cleaner with a truck mount machine.
you're doing the exact equivalent with websites. pay £50 for a rug doctor, or pay a professional a decent amount of money and get something done professionally. £195 is the amateur prices, not professionals, don't go following yourself thinking you're paying for more then a slight redesign of a free temaplte. as mentioned it's too good to be true but everyone forgets that as they don't understand the technology. why isn't eveyone doing this wonderful new idea? what happens when 10 people do it in one area? it's impossible to be on page one for everyone is there is more then 10?
Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
Westy, I take it you are one of the "clean a full house for £50" brigade. If you want a professional job you have to pay for it. You also have to ask yourself "what value do I put on my time?" and "how long will it take me to put together a website of a similar standard". When you have answered those questions are you still looking at $47 and will anybody be able to find your site. Wake up and smell the coffee.....
I'm quite capable of making a website from simple templates and adding logos and text to it and charging someone for my time, I was just pointing out that if someone wants to cut costs that their are many companys that offer the whole package if you have the time to design it yourself. Good luck to you.
exactly, this is all that's happening. a free template, change name, change text, change colours, and charge £199. this can be done yourself and should be. £199 is too good to be true, we all know it is, else everyone on here would get a website done by this guy, and then have a number one page website, yet some reason they aren't.
can someone who is thinking clearly, that hasn't been swept up by the prices just like any other customer out there they'd happily slag off if they did the same with carpet cleaning, explain why i'm posting that this is too good to be true if it wasn't? what would be my reason to try and save people their money? so that i dont have compeition (i don't do carpet cleaning myself and put no seo into carpet cleaning so this isn't why) because i'm a previous customer who didn't get anything promised (nope would never use a service like this, just as no one here would use a rug doctor), i can't think of one reason i'd bother posting if it wasn't to help people make the right choice. pay a professional for a professional website or do it free, don't pay an amateur to do something you can do for free.
also thought i'd point out a website they own and some worrying stuff about it.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=91813.msg820734#msg820734
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green
forums are about helping our fellow carpet cleaners. mitch has found a service that would be of interest to people on this forum, he's used his services and is very happy with them, so he's sharing it with us. you've never used his services and are all ready slagging him off. don't think i need to say anymore really, do i.
derek,
these forums are about helpinf fellow cleaners, i have seen a service which seems too good to be true so posting my views to help people on this forum. i see this rubbish all the time and i'm sharing how i feel about it with you. i've never used his services nor have i ever used a rug doctor, does that mean i can't slag off the service? if someone comes here saying they use a rug doctor and it works does that mean we can't give our opinions of it and how much better a professional carpet cleaning machine would be? don't think i need to say anymore really, do i?
Just did a quick search to find out where you ranked for carpet cleaning Guildford and guess what you were not to be found. Now please do a search for carpet cleaning sutton coldfield (my home town) or commercial cleaning walsall and see where my two sites rank. This throws your assumption that this cant be done right out of the window.
Phil
why would i rank high on google for carpet cleaning? what do i do towards it? i guess i should pay £199 for this service yeah and my site will magically be on page number 1? wow sounds so good i can't beleive it's true. you're actually proving why this is a waste of money, he guarantees you first page google within a month yet some who mine isn't first page google and i've done even more then he offers. anyone else think something isn't adding up? anyone heard of google sandbox? if not google it ;D
Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
I could rent a rug doctor and clean my carpets myself although I don think I could do as good a job as a pro - cleaner with a truck mount machine.
you're doing the exact equivalent with websites. pay £50 for a rug doctor, or pay a professional a decent amount of money and get something done professionally. £195 is the amateur prices, not professionals, don't go following yourself thinking you're paying for more then a slight redesign of a free temaplte. as mentioned it's too good to be true but everyone forgets that as they don't understand the technology. why isn't eveyone doing this wonderful new idea? what happens when 10 people do it in one area? it's impossible to be on page one for everyone is there is more then 10?
Why pay £195 when you can do it yourself for $47 for a year, this will include domain if available, hosting and a very simple easy to use site builder ::)
Westy, I take it you are one of the "clean a full house for £50" brigade. If you want a professional job you have to pay for it. You also have to ask yourself "what value do I put on my time?" and "how long will it take me to put together a website of a similar standard". When you have answered those questions are you still looking at $47 and will anybody be able to find your site. Wake up and smell the coffee.....
I'm quite capable of making a website from simple templates and adding logos and text to it and charging someone for my time, I was just pointing out that if someone wants to cut costs that their are many companys that offer the whole package if you have the time to design it yourself. Good luck to you.
exactly, this is all that's happening. a free template, change name, change text, change colours, and charge £199. this can be done yourself and should be. £199 is too good to be true, we all know it is, else everyone on here would get a website done by this guy, and then have a number one page website, yet some reason they aren't.
can someone who is thinking clearly, that hasn't been swept up by the prices just like any other customer out there they'd happily slag off if they did the same with carpet cleaning, explain why i'm posting that this is too good to be true if it wasn't? what would be my reason to try and save people their money? so that i dont have compeition (i don't do carpet cleaning myself and put no seo into carpet cleaning so this isn't why) because i'm a previous customer who didn't get anything promised (nope would never use a service like this, just as no one here would use a rug doctor), i can't think of one reason i'd bother posting if it wasn't to help people make the right choice. pay a professional for a professional website or do it free, don't pay an amateur to do something you can do for free.
also thought i'd point out a website they own and some worrying stuff about it.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=91813.msg820734#msg820734
unbelievable ;D
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unbelievable ;D
i know. i have far too much time to waste today before i'm back out to work again in a minute. tut tut tut
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just realsied something great but haven't got the time to post it before work, will post later. can't wait :)
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just realsied something great but haven't got the time to post it before work, will post later. can't wait :)
To reply to green shield soloutions
I was building websites a full 2 years before google existed to call me an amature is an insult
I have 2 Degrees in computer programming
dont slag me off when you dont no what your talking about.
feel free to call me and I will explain to you fully how these site work but beware
you will need at least a basic understanding of the following to understand what Iam talking about
MYSQL Database Optimisation
PHP programming preferabily with and undersatanding of Object Orientated Priciples
Java Script and Jquery
Html & CSS
A Solid understanding of Joomla Core Structure
and an abillity to code using Modal View Control Design Patterns
and for good measure have spent several years in the design industry becoming skilled in design and graphics
Tel:01482 226295
Mark Carpet Cleaning Websites
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mark
has ian the taxi driver (delta travel) been in touch about a website? wasn't sure you'd do taxi ones but told him to give you a bell. hope thats okay.
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Now now mind all you that have websites for other areas.........dont wind up Major clean and not add your REAL address on it..... ;D ;D ;D :o :D
As for my two site the are my address and my partners....
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just realsied something great but haven't got the time to post it before work, will post later. can't wait :)
feel free to call me and I will explain to you fully how these site work but beware
you will need at least a basic understanding of the following to understand what Iam talking about
lol beware lol, are you trying to scare me off? instead of the list of skills you clearly are great at, instead you will actually just need to know how to use a cheap bit of technology called artisteer (http://www.artisteer.com), which does all the work for you.
have a look at their demo (http://www.artisteer.com/?p=demo), it picks the design from thousands of free templates, you then just choose the colour, images you want, text and bingo you have a site made for you. instead of paying £199 for this guy to make it for you pay a minimal amount and you can get it yourself with unlimited changes thereafter for free. you're essentially paying £199 for this guy to link to your website, which is just what google frown upon and although may not currently notice, they will eventually and punish those who link to each other for no reason other then serp boost.
btw i know this software was used as all you have to do it look at the source code, see a template is being used, look at the stylesheet and find the program used to make it, e.g. (carpet cleaning wimbeldon's stylesheet, http://carpetcleaning-wimbledon.co.uk/templates/strikker3/css/template.css (http://carpetcleaning-wimbledon.co.uk/templates/strikker3/css/template.css), screenshot just in case he removes the line :) (http://www.greencleansolution.co.uk/image.jpg)), first line says what was used to generate the code), look at the demo and you'll see all the sites are extremely similar to this guys sites, look at the favicon (favourite icon next to the address bar) currently used on the carpet cleaning website and you'll see it's the same as being used on http://www.joomla24.com/index.php?set_albumName=album04&option=com_gallery&Itemid=6&include=view_album.php&page=10 and you'll see the thousands of templates ready to use, freely. why pay for this service i don't know.
great knowledge of how to build a decent website
from clicking the link in the header you get 404 error page can't be found, http://carpetcleaningwebsites.co.uk/index.html this is a stupid amateur mistake for it to be in such an important position, ok maybe on a lower down hidden link but up there, when the owner is trying to sell his skills with websites. thing is looking at other websites he "creates" they have the same problems.
i'm trying to help others stop wasting their money, nothing else. don't bother paying £199 when you can do this for free. it's identical to how peopel are with rug doctors, i'm sure you can understand how it comes across when someone trys to sell their service when they use rug doctors. we all know it's better to diy if a rug doctor is used.
i'm sure people will now go against me, i'm just trying to help users remember. i spot a waste of money and something that happens all the time i feel passionate about trying to stop it from happening.
over 10 years experience and the sites you make have plenty of 404 errors.
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do it for free?
sounds to good to be true so it must be poo.
your words mate, read em and eat em.
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do it for free?
sounds to good to be true so it must be poo.
your words mate, read em and eat em.
good one? what are you trying to suggest when saying that? was £195 not too good to be true?
i like this (http://www.joomlademos.de/home?template=vlue) template, very similar to this (http://www.glasgowcarpetcleaners.com/) website minus a few changes to colour and left hand side bar.
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do it for free?
sounds to good to be true so it must be poo.
your words mate, read em and eat em.
good one? what are you trying to suggest when saying that? was £195 not too good to be true?
i like this (http://www.joomlademos.de/home?template=vlue) template, very similar to this (http://www.glasgowcarpetcleaners.com/) website minus a few changes to colour and left hand side bar.
not compared to free, dp's prices sound very professional now, cheers for that. ;D
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MYSQL Database Optimisation
PHP programming preferabily with and undersatanding of Object Orientated Priciples
Java Script and Jquery
Html & CSS
A Solid understanding of Joomla Core Structure
and an abillity to code using Modal View Control Design Patterns
and for good measure have spent several years in the design industry becoming skilled in design and graphics
anyone else see any similarities to the sales calls you get from places like yell and other online directories? they just spurt a load of fancy words to confuse the customer and make them think they are getting a great deal. so what do you change in the joomla core structure when making a website that simple needs the heading change, the background image changed, and the text? the "core structure" can stay put unless you're doing something that even the user wont know has happened? like creating dead links ;D
do it for free?
sounds to good to be true so it must be poo.
your words mate, read em and eat em.
good one? what are you trying to suggest when saying that? was £195 not too good to be true?
i like this (http://www.joomlademos.de/home?template=vlue) template, very similar to this (http://www.glasgowcarpetcleaners.com/) website minus a few changes to colour and left hand side bar.
not compared to free, dp's prices sound very professional now, cheers for that. ;D
lol i'm trying to help decent people on these forums from wasting money. you're acting like what i have done has pushed you even more towards thinking that you're getting a good deal, then act like i'd be annoyed, when infact i'm only trying to help good decent people, others can go be foolish with their money as it's foolish customers that you can make more money from, i hope i get a chance to do business with you, i'll have a look out for you at carpex and see if you'll be wanting to buy some magic beans i have for £199, you could of course go buy them yourself for £10, but as i'm chargin £199 that means i'm a professional so it's a good deal. i'm now very happy that my posts are making a difference for the good and i'm sure even more good will come from them :D
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i really couldn't do business with you, i'd be to busy p1ssing myself laughing when you squeezed out of your nissan micra, mop bucket and feather duster in hand, i so couldn't take you seriously. sorry greeny, i'm out.
i'll carry on being a fool like a lot of other cc's on here who have had and are very happy with marks websites.
i'll let you have the last say on the matter. i personally can't carry on this discussion you keep contradicting yourself,.....what was it you said.... he's too cheap so he's an amateur, you should take my advice and get one for free,
your avin a giraffe mate.
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i really couldn't do business with you, i'd be to busy p1ssing myself laughing when you squeezed out of your nissan micra, mop bucket and feather duster in hand, i so couldn't take you seriously. sorry greeny, i'm out.
i'll carry on being a fool like a lot of other cc's on here who have had and are very happy with marks websites.
i'll let you have the last say on the matter. i personally can't carry on this discussion you keep contradicting yourself,.....what was it you said.... he's too cheap so he's an amateur, you should take my advice and get one for free,
your avin a giraffe mate.
i said £199 is amatuers prices, not a professionals, so if you're going to pay, either pay for a professional, or if you can't, then do it yourself for next to nothing, as that's what you're getting with this guy, he fills out a few boxes on a program to chose the header text, main text etc, and then charges £199 for this.
btw there is a few basic things you learn when you first start learning about seo. one is the importance of the h1 tag and how the main keywords should be put in this on each page. the words in the h1 tag on the http://carpetcleaning-wimbledon.co.uk/ website is a phone number, great seo there. seriously amateur stuff that, i mean seriously amateur. have a quick read yourself http://lmgtfy.com/?q=importance+of+the+h1+tag and then even better, the title tag, this is extremely important stuff, and keywords must be here, yet on the same site the word carpet is missing!!! i can't beleive what i'm seeing! ahhh my eyes
anyone ever heard of pagerank? it's what google assign each website and typically the higher pagerank, the higher you're on google, unless there is little competition. http://www.walsall-commercial-cleaners.co.uk/ and the owners other one has a pagerank of 0/10. results are being had purely out of luck that there is little competition, nothing to do with how great the website is, which can be had for practically free as others will happily back me up on.
of course derek you woudln't, i knew this and set you up to predictably insult me, and with what, because i use a small nissan micra when a small car is all that i need. you could have left it saying you wouldn't do business with me but you needed to add the personal insult :) hmm wonder why.
thing is you wont know who i am at carpex, i'll have a look for an affordable cleaner and i'll confuse with my mumbo jumbo keywords nonsense and i'm sure i'll win you over :D you feel for it iirc twice already, thats £400 when you could have done it for £50, i'm sure you'll do it again.
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do it for free?
sounds to good to be true so it must be poo.
your words mate, read em and eat em.
good one? what are you trying to suggest when saying that? was £195 not too good to be true?
i like this (http://www.joomlademos.de/home?template=vlue) template, very similar to this (http://www.glasgowcarpetcleaners.com/) website minus a few changes to colour and left hand side bar.
not compared to free, dp's prices sound very professional now, cheers for that. ;D
Derek he is right, why pay £199 to rent a rug doctor when you can buy one for £50, I have taken this from one of the sites Straker eco, its part of the html (hyper text markup language) and its shocking:
<meta name="keywords" content="carpet cleaning, Rug leaning, curtain cleaning" />
<meta name="title" content="London Wimbledon Cleaning Services" />
<meta name="description" content="Wimbledon & London Areas Awardwing Eco Friendly Carpet, Rug, Upholstery and Curtain Cleaning Specialists" />
<meta name="generator" content="Joomla! 1.5 - Open Source Content Management" />
Just visit this link and do it your self for a 1/4 of the price https://www.siteground.com/ if anyone needs help changing the meta tags for seo just email me, if I have the time I will help you for free, or maybe for a bit of advice on cc.
I dont claim to have two degrees in anything, but I have done a fair few courses a while ago in web design and seo at night school.
Before anyone attacks me with a sarcastic reply, just ask yourself this question, why would someone need to advertise web design and hosting on a carpet cleaning forum, easy pickings maybe, enough said I think.
funnily enough i don't think derek wants to be proved wrong, he after all has paid £400 or whatever which he could have saved and he could possibly be on a commission, i mean why defend the creator so much when it's clearly an overpriced service? i'll come back to it again, if someone was to say about how great a rug doctor is they'd quickly go against the person as anyone with knowledge knows although you get "results" it's nothing like those from a professional carpet cleaning machine. this is identical.
people will come back saying they're happy with the result so it's worth it, but completely miss the point. i'm not denying that you're getting results from the website you're given, it's just you're being foolish with your money and buying something that could be had for much much less. as very minimal amounts has gone into the website for some to get success, that means competition can do the same. i have in fact spotted a massive gap in the market. i should contact the competition for the people on this website and explain the situation, explain the lack of seo on the websites listed here and how bugger all was done to get lasting results, so if they paid me a bit of money to improve there seo they'll quickly jump ahead of those listed here. sounds like a ****ing good plan. in fact i could even just use a free template program and then just add basic seo (seo is essentially why you'd pay for a website to be made by a professional rather then diy) as what is lacking with all the websites made by this guy is seo (as well as any input from himself in the design).
even more shocking http://www.walsall-commercial-cleaners.co.uk/ has NOTHING in the h1 tag, not a single thing. over 10 years this guy claims to have experience and all these degrees and knowledge of such unknown skills, yet nothing to back it up but a website made by a program, which are extremely poor quality.
and i have just realised another thing. a lot of free templates are given out with the right to use the design freely, but they need to mention who made it. that means the designs being used are currently braking the rules set out by the owner and once notified will possibly result in a fine being made against the owner of the website. i may be wrong and the free designs are free to use without any mention of the creator, but if i'm right this is quite serious. you're essentially stealing as someone would have put time into creating the template but getting nothing for it. lets hope not aye as if so all the websites listed will need a redesign and as mentioned could face a fine :(
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Green clean is right Derek, you have mentioned in a previous post that you are having 2 more sites built, WHY??? if you want to spend £199 for each site, thats up to you, but do it yourself for a fraction of the cost or spend the grand on just one site from a reputable company, the site will be done right with a good design, meta tags and keywords that search engines will allow, these companys dont have to come on to forums to get business because they dont need to.
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westy
go on your profile and click on your last posts at the bottom ;D
give someone else ago mate, they'll starting getting jealous. ;D
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I have one of his websites.
it could have a million mistakes in the design, and could be from a template that is copied around the country but does it matter to the most important people..... those that search google and find me on page one
the people who find me don't think 'I'm not calling him because his meta tag is wrong', they don't know or care that there is a company in Liverpool that has a site that looks a bit like mine.
I paid £199 for a site that tells my prospective customers everything thy need to know. and is always on page one of google. Maybe I could have paid less and done it my self but I didn't want to. no one is forced to use Marks and its good that you have brought up an alternative way to get a website... it gives people a choice
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Mark DP Print
Thanks for comment mike
The bottom line on this is the websites make money for carpet cleaners every website we have built as turned a profit for the carpet cleaners who have had them built.
the most important factor in SEO is relevenat incomeing links
ie links to you site on from other carpet cleaning company's all the sites we build are automatically cross linked to each other.
the linking process is dynamic so has more sites are built the more relevant links the sites obtain
As for meta tags Matt Cutts is words no mine he actually works for google
Google doesn’t use the keywords meta tag in web search
September 21, 2009
We wanted to debunk that misconception, at least as it regards to Google. Google uses over two hundred signals in our web search rankings, but the keywords meta tag is not currently one of them, and I don’t believe it will be.
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What a load of crap! How can you insult this guy and say he is not running a reputable company. I will bet my house on it that his knowledge of web design is far better than yours. What you and the green fellar fail to understand here is that Mark has designed websites for me and dozens of other carpet cleaners at a price we are more than happy with, which is all that matters and it hasnt cost us anything in time, freeing us up to carry on doing what we do best and that is carpet cleaning. You are suggesting that everybody should do it themselves. Do you also think that everybody should hire a rug doctor and clean their own carpets. I dont know how much you charge but lets face it £199 for a website.... two rooms of carpet cleaning and thats it paid for the year, now do you really think that you would not get two rooms of carpet cleaning from a page 1 listed website.
;D
Green clean is right Derek, you have mentioned in a previous post that you are having 2 more sites built, WHY??? if you want to spend £199 for each site, thats up to you, but do it yourself for a fraction of the cost or spend the grand on just one site from a reputable company, the site will be done right with a good design, meta tags and keywords that search engines will allow, these companys dont have to come on to forums to get business because they dont need to.
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Hi Guys
You pays your money you makes your choice!
The main thing which would concern me is ownership, I would want in writing that I am would be able to transfer the domain.
Mark is a nice guy and would not stitch you, but he migft sell up and in a few years time you may find you have problems.
It is easy enough to register sites in the name of the relevant CC and then just build and host them.
Cheers
Doug
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westy
go on your profile and click on your last posts at the bottom ;D
give someone else ago mate, they'll starting getting jealous. ;D
? and
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never mind westy, you carry on contradicting every thing i say, i'm fine with that, personally i'd rather work with you than against you. i've never heard a bad word about dreamkleen round here so for me thats good for the industry. keep up the good work and hopefully, affordable cleaners can be as big as your company one day. ;)
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never mind westy, you carry on contradicting every thing i say, i'm fine with that, personally i'd rather work with you than against you. i've never heard a bad word about dreamkleen round here so for me thats good for the industry. keep up the good work and hopefully, affordable cleaners can be as big as your company one day. ;)
Sorry Derek I am not trying to contradict anything you say, maybe it does look that way, but that isnt my intention, sorry if you feel I am.
I have never heard anything bad against yourself either, all good I'm happy to say. I would also like to work with you and not against you, after all you are only a couple of miles from me.
We have had a bad couple of years as a company and have learnt alot in the process, big customers going into administration on us, at least 13k last year that we will never get. Losing a 50k pa tender that we have had for 6years to a new company that is now doing it for peanuts.
I am an honest and open person that appreciates help, and will give advice when needed, although sometimes certain things cant be discussed on an open forum.
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What a load of crap! How can you insult this guy and say he is not running a reputable company. I will bet my house on it that his knowledge of web design is far better than yours.
but this is the thing, he doesn't have very much knowledge at all. the nonsense he is coming out with is ridiculous, he clearly doesn't know what he is doing with the most basic seo as the websites he "creates" have minimal amounts if any at all, let alone more advanced stuff.
Mark DP Print
As for meta tags Matt Cutts is words no mine he actually works for google
Google doesn’t use the keywords meta tag in web search
September 21, 2009
We wanted to debunk that misconception, at least as it regards to Google. Google uses over two hundred signals in our web search rankings, but the keywords meta tag is not currently one of them, and I don’t believe it will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7IPbnmvVU
well done, they KEYWORDS meta tag isn't used by google (but other search engines do, so why ignore them when it takes a few seconds to add?) but all other meta tags are looked at by google, clearly shown from the youtube video from the guy himself. what is your point?
as i mentioned i knew people would post about how they get results and that's enough for them, but they don't realise that the reason is simple because there is minimal amounts of competition and the results will not be lasting. all the competition has to do is a tiny bit of on page seo and they'll beat you as your sites have none. you'll then have to pay to have the site updated but it wont be able to be from this guy as he isn't showing an seo knowledge even though he advertises it.
Mark DP Print
the most important factor in SEO is relevant incoming links
ie links to you site on from other carpet cleaning company's all the sites we build are automatically cross linked to each other.
yes relevant incoming links plays a big part in seo, but when they are links that are only there for one reason to boost serp then google doesn't like this and penalises sites that do this. If you don't believe me then think about this. Why do google boost the serp of a website when it's got links? there must be a logical reason for why they chose that. well there is. when you link to anothers website you are essentially recommending them, just as in real life if someone is looking for a good builder, you ask your friends, and they'll tell you one that is decent, so say you're looking on a house building design website and think you need a good builder after you have your design, the design website links to builders it recommends. google sees this and thinks that website being linked to from one that is relevant must be good so we will increase their serp. now if say you was to go to your friend and ask of good builders, and rather then them recommending one that they knew was good from experience with them, they instead suggest one simple because the builder has given them £10 to say so, how is this a useful recommendation? it's not as it's just paid for, nothing to do with how good the builder is at his work, but instead how much they can pay for a recommendation. it's the same with online links. if you're linking because it was paid for or because you're linking to each other then google doesn't like this one bit and will penalise once they realise it. you're getting the same thing on your websites everone, link swapping is going on and google will eventually realise this and punish. again this is such common knowlegde with anyone who has a tiny bit of experience, this, amongst all the other reasons, are why i call this guy amateur (feel free to call me amateur with cleaning as i am).
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i remember reading an article in web pro news about meta tags having no or little relevance with google. didn't read it all, didn't see the point, thats what marks for. i just clean carpets.
i had a go at building a website a few months ago, took me all day to knock up 7 pages. can understand building your own if your savvy but if your not then you need to get someone in. thats why mitch put this thread up to recommend a low cost alternative with good results. i got quoted £200 a month for seo on one of my sites, and i got quoted £3500 to build one. glad i turned them down, i'm on page one for all my searches and lets face it, the site doesn't need to be all singing and dancing as long as it gets the message across which i think mine do.
glad i was recomended mark for my website and i would definately reccomend him to anyone else who is not website savvy.
few more points
i'm not on commission allthough i wish i was.
i have used a rug doctor which is why i chose this proffession and also why i slag them off.
and i'm definately NOT a fool. which in my eyes was the first stone cast, hence the micra
right i'm off for some anti glide training so don't ring me steve ;D
have a good day chaps.
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use this
http://www.artisteer.com/
does all the work for you and is what he uses himself. real professional ::)
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use this
http://www.artisteer.com/
does all the work for you and is what he uses himself. real professional ::)
logged onto it, its now been 6 minutes and its not doing anything, are you sure it does all the work for me, tell ya what, i'll nip out for some baggin, have a brew and then come back, guessing it'll all be done by then ;D ;D ;D
see ya at carpex fella, guessing you'll be the one emptying my wallet. ;D
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Gentlemen. please. Let's have some decorum. I have not posted on here since I got involved in another website row a long time ago. Maybe it's time to chip in? Although I'm still in the cleaning business (just), the bulk of my work is online (mostly in the US).
The thing here is that both sides are right in a way.
A/ Mark @ DP.
I don't know Mark but I admire his Joomla stuff.
1/ Mark has always said that his sites have basic on page SEO. He makes no pretension about advanced offsite promotion. As he says, for low competition keywords (which most carpet cleaning ones are), that is usually enough. You will probably get ranked using maybe twenty percent of on page optimisation techniques.
2/ I personally think Mark is barking mad to charge as little as £ 199. No wonder there is a waiting list (I would not get involved for less than £ 500, especially if there is keyword research to be done)
OK, it may be an Artisteer or free template on Wordpress or Joomla but there is still a lot of work to be done. Anyway, what's wrong with a template?
The fact is that some people do not want the hassle. They would rather get on with what they are good at. For example i can take a video file say .avi or .mov, convert it to flv, wrap it in a player and embed it on a page in a few minutes. Other people could do it themselves but would rather have me do it for them.
B/ Green Services (Adam?).
You are doing a really good job of offsite promotion (you or outsourcers?) for your site.
I agree with what you are saying about coding. I hate "drag'n'drop / absolute positioning but most systems work that way nowadays. I much prefer clean CSS layouts and can probably do a "comp 'n slice design quicker than using a template. It's much easier to control the relevant tags such as Titles, H1etc , as you say.
Now, however, there are other factors at work. Search engines absolutely love wordpress (not just wordpress.com but hosted blogs). In the US I am seeing lots of (highly on-page optimised) Wordpress sites that are ranking on the first page for terms with at least 3,000 searches per month. These sites have little or no backlinks and are outranking older static sites with loads of backlinks. Whatever it is the search engines like it.
I can see a point where I don't use my Expression Web 2 and just use Wordpress. Funnily enough, Tre Allen was doing this a long time ago and got pasted on here.
C/ Ranking times.
Mitch, I'm not sure about there is any hard and fast rule here. My record for going to no 1 in US Google (from 200,000 other pages) is SIXTEEN minutes! In contrast, something I am working on now has taken eight weeks of promotion to limp onto page five. As Green servs. said earlier, your ranking is more dependant on the competition.
Look, I'm as guilty as anyone of trading insults here in the past. Why don't we cut it out and as Derek suggests, have a constructive discussion for the benefit of others?
Garry
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as i said before i'm not denying that results are being had from mikes services. i'm saying the money could be far better spent to get better results, or not spent at all and go the same results.
free templates are great, free wysiwyg programs are also great, but lying about them saying all the skills mike has and i should beware that i need to know them is not good. i see this stuff all the time, i feel the need to share my experience and help others stop being fooled into thinking they are getting something decent. if you saw someone blatantly lying to another person and they believe them, would you not step in and offer some experience advice? the advice i have given is for no personal gain to me, it's just to help others make a better, informed decision
i do all the web stuff myself so thank you for your nice comments garry :)
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use this
http://www.artisteer.com/
does all the work for you and is what he uses himself. real professional ::)
Out of the 70 sites we have built 2 of them use artiseer these were quick £129.00 sites
we built for cleaners
Most of the other sites are standard CSS sites that I have converted to joomla myself
You say I am non reputable - I have been supplying marketing material to carpet cleaners since 1981 almost 30 years - looking at your age on your profile this 8 years longer then you have existed on this planet - so to call me a no - reputable is a ridiculous argument.
Every time somebody tries to help carpet cleaners by offering a deal there is always some-one like your self ready in there arrogance to pull them to pieces.
I have helped loads of carpet cleaners over the years turn round there company's with good cost effective advertising and stop them wasting money on marketing that doesn't work - some have been on the verge of closing down and I have turned things around for them I wont embarrass them by naming them but some have been customers of mine for over 20 years.
The site we are offering are very good value for money and all the cleaners we have done them for are making MONEY out of there sites.
I know quite a few cleaners who have paid £750 - £1500 for websites that don't put as much money in there pockets as our £200.00 sites do.
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never mind westy, you carry on contradicting every thing i say, i'm fine with that, personally i'd rather work with you than against you. i've never heard a bad word about dreamkleen round here so for me thats good for the industry. keep up the good work and hopefully, affordable cleaners can be as big as your company one day. ;)
Sorry Derek I am not trying to contradict anything you say, maybe it does look that way, but that isnt my intention, sorry if you feel I am.
I have never heard anything bad against yourself either, all good I'm happy to say. I would also like to work with you and not against you, after all you are only a couple of miles from me.
We have had a bad couple of years as a company and have learnt alot in the process, big customers going into administration on us, at least 13k last year that we will never get. Losing a 50k pa tender that we have had for 6years to a new company that is now doing it for peanuts.
I am an honest and open person that appreciates help, and will give advice when needed, although sometimes certain things cant be discussed on an open forum.
i get under cut in my everyday quotes and just say "its there loss" but @50k :o
i suppose on that basis, i can understand you not liking new companies. personally i don't do tenders and never will, for that exact reason. and all though i'm sure you don't think its me, just incase you do, i'm quite willing to prove its not. anyway, enough of my paranoia, theres room in the car for carpex if ya fancy it. now theres an olive branch if ever i seen one.
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1.DP print the best carpet cleaning leaflets for the money you can get anywhere.
2. Mark is the nicest person in business I have ever dealt with. Whatever you tell him he does.
3. I’ve build my own sites with self editing website companies but you just don’t get the rankings, unless you spend a fortune on google adwords.
You can come on this forum and preach how much you know about seo and how you can do this and that with mega tags. But mate we are dealing here with a man that produces fantastic leaflets, and ranking websites that are very good. I contacted some companies that wanted a couple of grand for what Mark offers.Dont get me wrong I’ve dealt with a lot of wAnCARS and I won’t take any chit of anyone. Trust me and give the guy a bit of respect.
Steve Hinnis
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Thanks Derek, it would be good to meet you, car share to carpex would be great what day are you going?
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looking at your age on your profile this 8 years longer then you have existed on this planet - so to call me a no - reputable is a ridiculous argument.
sorry but that's the most dumbest thing i have ever heard
Every time somebody tries to help carpet cleaners by offering a deal there is always some-one like your self ready in there arrogance to pull them to pieces.
what's your point? that you often find people with experience will go against you? i don't see how this is proving you're offering something decent? and that is what appears to be the case here, those without experience say how good a deal they are getting, those with experience say otherwise. just because there is a greater amount on these forums that don't have experience doesn't make it right. go to somewhere like v7n and ask what they think, you'll quickly
i must say the seo on his sites are unbelievable, really are. it takes seconds more to add a title to the site. do you understand how seo works? i can't imagine someone would purposely leave something out of a website to help with seo if they knew about it.
http://www.york-carpet-cleaners.co.uk/ - the title is "home". google "important of title tag" and see how silly it is to leave this out.
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hopefully going on the thursday paul, will know better closer to the date. but will be going really early to beat the brum 6
on a different note
are you any relation to karla from lower darwin?
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hopefully going on the thursday paul, will know better closer to the date. but will be going really early to beat the brum 6
on a different note
are you any relation to karla from lower darwin?
Early is good for me mate any day will be ok with me, like I said looking forward to meeting you. Karla form lower darwin, no never heard of her, sorry I missed the bit on your reply before about you winning the tender ;D, no I know it isnt you who won the tender its a new ltd company from Preston, cheap as chips thats why they got it, it wasnt for carpets or hard floors it was for the cleaning of void propertys near to and around us.
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Adam
perhaps you would like to show us some of your work so we can see how a website should be done
like you said in previous posts....
give me an email adam@greencleansolution.co.uk to discuss with you what you need and what i could do for you. i'm a web designer and cleaner so know exactly what a cleaning website needs, as well as i can help with the seo greatly.
email me as i don't ake you sign a contract or pay anything until late in the building stages so you have nothing to lose
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it's funny how unapprecaited us web designers/developers are
can we see some of your websites?
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Blimey mate, give Mark a break.
He's a decent bloke and offers a great service. Alright he charges £199 big deal - its peanuts. The whole point is that the guys that have the sites either havent got a clue how to do it themselves - or havent got the time.
Thats WHY they pay him to do it ::) It saves them time AND money, simplez.
Whats wrong with that - everyones happy. What is it in this country with REALLY negative people? There's a few on this site that should really get a life.
Mark
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Blimey mate, give Mark a break.
He's a decent bloke and offers a great service. Alright he charges £199 big deal - its peanuts. The whole point is that the guys that have the sites either havent got a clue how to do it themselves - or havent got the time.
Thats WHY they pay him to do it ::) It saves them time AND money, simplez.
Whats wrong with that - everyones happy. What is it in this country with REALLY negative people? There's a few on this site that should really get a life.
Mark
but the exact same could be said with a rug doctor
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Adam
www.greencleansolution.co.uk :)
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I just love the Spanish inquisition of this forum ;)
What wrong with a rug doctor in capable hands ???
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that's yours, come on you're a web designer show us your portfolio of work
let be honest, Mark does what you dream of doing, he has a very successful web design business, if you want to criticise him then let us see the websites companies have paid you to design,
at the moment you are looking like a jealous wannabee
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that's yours, come on you're a web designer show us your portfolio of work
let be honest, Mark does what you dream of doing, he has a very successful web design business, if you want to criticise him then let us see the websites companies have paid you to design,
at the moment you are looking like a jealous wannabee
or a person with experience. if you go against someone using a rug doctor does that make you jealous? am i the only one who agrees with what i am saying? people with experience in this area say i'm correct, people without experience think i'm not, which makes me jealous ??? if i "dream" of doing this why haven't i got the same idea of a website made up? is it because i'm un-capable? clearly not :)
i don't have a portfolio website as i don't do it regularly enough to bother making a portfolio, i wouldn't advertise it, i wouldn't do anything with it other then have it for a discussion like this. even with being so young and un-experienced my sites are a million times better then his. see if i did make a website to sell my services, i wouldn't have dead links, no seo, pages made using free templates to sell my services. he currently is.
i haven't offered my services once in this thread. if i'm being honest i think the jealousy thing is something you have made up as you can't accept i'm right, so i must be doing this for another reason and jealousy sounds it.
the thing is you're now trying to divert the attention from what really is the subject of this thread which is silly. judge me all you want and my website but beware, you will need at least a basic understanding of the following to understand what I am talking about
MYSQL Database Optimisation
PHP programming preferabily with and undersatanding of Object Orientated Priciples
Java Script and Jquery
Html & CSS
A Solid understanding of Joomla Core Structure
and an abillity to code using Modal View Control Design Patterns
and for good measure have spent several years in the design industry becoming skilled in design and graphics
;D ;D ;D
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Is that a 2 door or hatchback?
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Adam
perhaps you would like to show us some of your work so we can see how a website should be done
like you said in previous posts....
give me an email adam@greencleansolution.co.uk to discuss with you what you need and what i could do for you. i'm a web designer and cleaner so know exactly what a cleaning website needs, as well as i can help with the seo greatly.
email me as i don't ake you sign a contract or pay anything until late in the building stages so you have nothing to lose
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it's funny how unapprecaited us web designers/developers are
can we see some of your websites?
You say you are not touting for work but youve just offerd to build mike a website.
after slagging me off to high heaven
Have just googled carpet cleaners Surrey and Carpet cleaners Guilford where you are based
Your site http://www.greencleansolution.co.uk/ does not appear at all in the listings
Why is this when your such an expert?
You may talk the talk but google says you cant' walk the walk
So know lets google my sites (this is just a small sample of my ranking sites)
and let Mr google have the last word
Carpet cleaning Leaflets
no1 google
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carpet cleaning websites
no1 google
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Search Term
Cobham Carpet cleaners
http://www.carpetcleaningcobham.co.uk/
2 & 3 Google
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Search Term
Stratford Upon Avon Carpet
http://stratford-upon-avon-carpet-cleaners.co.uk/
9 Google
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Search Term
carpet cleaners orpington
http://carpet-cleaning-orpington.co.uk/
No1 google
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Search Term
carpet cleaners dudley
www.dudley-carpet-cleaners.co.uk
6 & 7 Google
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Search Term
Lanarkshire Carpet Cleaners
www.lanarkshire-carpet-cleaners.co.uk
8 google
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Search Term
Birmingham Carpet Cleaners
www.birminghamcarpetcleaner.co.uk
No5 Google
Also
Search Term
sutton coldfield carpet cleaners
Birmingham Carpet Cleaners
No1 Google
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Search Term
Kettering Carpet Cleaners
www.carpet-cleaners-kettering.co.uk
N04 Goole
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Search Term
carpet cleaners Hull
www.carpetcleanershull.co.uk
N01 & 2 Google
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Is that a 2 door or hatchback?
2 door annoyingly. fits everything we need so far, just a pain when staff have to get keep getting in and out the back :P
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you mis-read. i said i haven't offered work in this thread, quote where i have and i'll say i forgot, but i can't find a place where i have?
search window cleaners and you don't get me either, but why would you get me for window cleaning, i don't put any effort into this as i don't do this, i don't put any effort into carpet cleaning as i don't do this. someone else does and i work with them, but it's not my service as such so i don't put any time into promoting it.
thing is as a professional with so many years experience you'd know that your sites have minimal if any seo on them, so when you get a result (which again i'm not denying you don't get results, i'm saying you get results which can be had for free) it's purely because you have no compeition.
i promise you now if you made a site for a company selling dvds online, you wouldn't get in the first 100 pages.
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Hi also own a printing company with sales of over £2million per year 90% of our sales are online through our website
Designed by me.
selling print online is one of the most difficult markets to sell in on the net would say just as hard as selling dvds.
Isuppose I must be a lucky then