Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: arlette on February 27, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
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Hello everyone, im new to this forum, and have decided to get into Window Cleaning.
Ive looked at a few trolleys so far, and noticed a couple im interested in.
The first if from Bayersan UK LTD which looks a fab trolley for £525 including a free 24ft pole
http://www.bayersan.co.uk/ Click onto Products > Trolley Systems > Then go to the 55lt Trolley
The next is from the Cleaning Warehouse for £775 which includes Pro Trolley, 17ft pole, R/O unit (changing it instead of the DI) and TDS Metre.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WATER-FED-TROLLEY-Window-cleaning-COMPLETE-PACKAGE_W0QQitemZ350311991558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA?hash=item519038c906
What are your thoughts on these trolleys?
And what one do you thinks best?
Looking forward to hearing from you all
Many many thanks
Jake
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they do a van system complete 4 about the same money
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Thanks for the reply Lammy, but ive only got a Citroen Picasso, and was looking into buying a trolley (so i can use the car) and then maybe buy a van and setup when i get a few more customers.
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Im gonna sell my trolley, ive used it about half a dozen times but prefer the back pack £200 if anyone is interested, cost £320 back in the summer
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there u go jake get that brought
yr 500 to the gud straight away
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have you seen the x line trolleys on e bay very good
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Im gonna sell my trolley, ive used it about half a dozen times but prefer the back pack £200 if anyone is interested, cost £320 back in the summer
What Trolley is it?
And whats all your thoughts on the ones I posted up the top?
Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated!
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they are all much the same ie they store and pump water from a to b
make yourself a pole
get a few 25l water tanks
buy the water from someone local
youre up and running
all you need is custies
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My trolley is one that omnipole has recently started selling @£350
however i paid £320 from the red hat diving ppl who also sell window cleaning stuff.
Its the red 35 litre model, looks smart too
Im not to sussed with trollys but would advise you to not spend too much money upfront until you established.
It suprising how cheaply you can get wfp set up without having to spend big bucks out first, as i said up grad when you get more established
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arlette take trippys advice ;D he is spot on m8 ;)
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here here well said ma man
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Hi and thank you for all the replies. This was actually my son asking as he is setting up on his own work doing the window cleaning. I actually run the Domestic cleaning and Carpet Cleaning part of the family business and as we get so many people asking about window cleaning, I have thought about getting him a setup.
Now we have had your valuable advice and are now thinking of getting the setup Trippy mentioned as its cheaper and less of a risk.
Thanks again for all the info you have gave us.
Arlette
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ArlyClean
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shudnt think youl go far wrong for 2ton
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get a xline one,very good light and look the mutts nutts and if you wanted to change to van system later easy!
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get a xline one,very good light and look the mutts nutts and if you wanted to change to van system later easy!
Is the XLine the same as the one I linked above?
Many thanks
Jake
Also, thank you everyone for your info
Jake
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ring or email james and see what deal he can do you.
http://xline-systems.co.uk/WebRoot/StoreDaily/Shops/eshop146176
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ur welcome m8, u get some great help on this forum, the guys on here r top notch ;)
all the best & good luck wiv ur new venture :D
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the second one looks a cross between a purefreedom and the excel trolley
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I started out with a trolley, I built my own but within a few weeks It had become a vitual van mount because I had bought a decent hose reel and 100m of microbore.
Trolleys look like a good idea but frankly lifting them in and out of a car all day and dragging them round people's gardens is just more trouble than its worth.
Just buy a pump and a controller and mount them on a bit of board in the back of your car. Run the pump off the car's battery and save yourself ££££
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Don't touch the Bayersan trolley. It's made in China and the same thing is being sold all over the place. The build quality is horrendous in my opinion and I know of a couple of people who have had them and had nothing but trouble. Here is a link to the chinese supplier of these http://www.dyuan.com/product.asp?catid=38&piccatid=53&#Menu=ChildMenu2. It's the TSR35.
Dan
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Ive been using one of these Chinese trolleys for 18 months with no problems well worth the money just be carefull when filling them as the water can run down into the flow control all i do is put a sill cloth at the back and that stops any problems.They hold over 35 litres makes a big difference from the usual 25 if mine last me 2 years i would of been more than happy and its still going great just now.Mine cost £230 from Red Hat Diving i would never buy a Pure Freedom or Xline trolley £600+ total rip off.
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all trolleys are the same to me battery water canister pump
and a sack truck why pay out 600-700 for something that
should only cost a few hundred quid.
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Thanks all for the replies!
Well my dad, for some reason, has his heart set on the Bayersan 55 ltr trolley (which is £500 inc 24ft pole) but I would rather take the advice from you guys since you know what your talking about.
I was also thinking of getting a van setup (and putting it in the back of the car) but were worried about the hose trailing across the pavement, and some idiot deciding it would be a good idea to trip over the pipe, and sue. (or am i just going over the top?)
The man from "the xxxxxxxxxxxx" said he had the trolley built up and ready to take out (this was on thursday) and he said come on the Saturday to pick it up. 1 hour and half driving later, we turned up, and he said "We havent built the system up yet" which was annoying, so he said he would ring us on saturday, which he still hasnt! So forget him.
Also, my moms brother will be doing the window cleaning on the weekdays, and us on the weekend which is why we need something easy to transfer from car to car. (But I suppose a board like Vince Green said wouldn't be too hard in swapping over to each car)
So ive got around £750 to spend on a setup.
What would you guys get with £750 to start up a window cleaning round!
Many many thanks, Jake
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Jake dont buy the 55ltr trolley whatever you do ive got the exact same trolley bought mine from Omnipole total crap the hose reel broke on mine on the first day also there is a design flaw the front castor wheels buckle with the weight when the trolley is full stay well clear.
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i have and like the brodex trolley, i know a few people on hear dont like brodex, but i find them a great company to use.
They did me a deal when i got there trolley in decmember, They did a 25ft alloy hydra pole and trolley system for £490 + vat.
Give them a call and see what they can do. The trolley holds 50L of water, plus big wheels which are easy to use on all areas.
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i have and like the brodex trolley, i know a few people on hear dont like brodex, but i find them a great company to use.
They did me a deal when i got there trolley in decmember, They did a 25ft alloy hydra pole and trolley system for £490 + vat.
Give them a call and see what they can do. The trolley holds 50L of water, plus big wheels which are easy to use on all areas.
Thanks, going to check them out right now. (Y)
And Darren, thank god we didnt buy the 55 ltr trolley aha!
Thanks everyone for the replies!
Might buy two of the cheaper trolleys (the 230 ones)
But going to check out the one James said aswell.
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£750
you need :
a sack truck
a pump box from cleantech
10 X 25 L barrels from your local carwash ( though cleantech sell them aswell )
a battery ( pop along to a garage on your local industrial estate, they will have some old 1's from cars , get a few of them and 1 or 2 will hold enough charge for you to work all day )
a battery charger ( halfords do them )
a selection of hose and fittings
a pole and brush ( its a personal choice this )
as 100 GPD RO system
210 L rain water butt to store your water in ( or 2 of them when you need more water )
and a couple of hours to set it up
Google
DIYWFP and you will find a DIY WFP forum
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the xline is the best,looks the best and far more easier to carry,no filling up,just change containers so much easier.
Great customer service
Not plastic and have proper wheels
With xline starter pack you get ro di pole and everything you need.
Think these cheap plastic ones on ebay are ok as a backup.
Ive been using one of these Chinese trolleys for 18 months with no problems well worth the money just be carefull when filling them as the water can run down into the flow control all i do is put a sill cloth at the back and that stops any problems.They hold over 35 litres makes a big difference from the usual 25 if mine last me 2 years i would of been more than happy and its still going great just now.Mine cost £230 from Red Hat Diving i would never buy a Pure Freedom or Xline trolley £600+ total rip off.
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PLEASE.. don't buy 2 of the chinese trollies. Or one for that matter!!
OK Darren has been lucky but I was thinking of buying them in to sell UNTIL I saw one for real. That is how I know the supplier.
Ohhh in all honesty I don't care but at least you have been warned.
Dan
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i agree they look and are terrible!
PLEASE.. don't buy 2 of the chinese trollies. Or one for that matter!!
OK Darren has been lucky but I was thinking of buying them in to sell UNTIL I saw one for real. That is how I know the supplier.
Ohhh in all honesty I don't care but at least you have been warned.
Dan
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DB Services not got a clue what your on about what did you expect when you seen one of these trolleys its a plastic container with a pump and a battery in it also if your were going to bulk buy them and sell you must of been getting them for peanuts anyway you get what you pay for if you want to spend £600+ on a shiney trolley then get a xline or Pure Freedom.
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if you want to look good and proffesional get a xline or pure freedom,if you dont get a dodgy one that looks awfull and will last 6 months if your lucky!
buy cheap ends up costing much more in the long run!
DB Services not got a clue what your on about what did you expect when you seen one of these trolleys its a plastic container with a pump and a battery in it also if your were going to bulk buy them and sell you must of been getting them for peanuts anyway you get what you pay for if you want to spend £600+ on a shiney trolley then get a xline or Pure Freedom.
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Surely the message is clear by now. Buy British!
British steel welded up by British workers to a British design has got be be better than anything that comes out of China.
I've got a Pure Freedom and it gets bounced around everywhere and always stays together.
British = quality
Chinese = junk.
Why not wait until Windex and go and see what's available? You'll also be able to pick the brains of the friendly and knowledgeable guys who go there.
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cleewindows your a numpty do you honestly think your customers give a toss what kind of trolley you clean there windows with as for buying British we are talking about a pump,battery,2 wheels and metal frame its not a car your buying Xline and the rest of the suppliers must see yous mugs coming a mile away.
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thats not very nice!
my customers do comment on how good it is and looks,so yes perhaps they do care!
cleewindows your a numpty do you honestly think your customers give a toss what kind of trolley you clean there windows with as for buying British we are talking about a pump,battery,2 wheels and metal frame its not a car your buying Xline and the rest of the suppliers must see yous mugs coming a mile away.
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to be honest the average domestic customer couldnt care less
i used to use a freedom trolley but no one ever saw it because
it was always in my vehicle after the first few weeks i used it
as a van set up so the only thing my customers saw was hose
and a pole.
i now use a backpack which personally i find quicker, the bottoms
been split and repaired the lids split and i have replaced the pcb
with a on off switch which hangs off the sidewith areturn from the pole
to the back pack its not a pretty sight but my customers new and
old still remark on what an amazing idea to clean this way and what
really great piece of equip it is...a battery and a pump sending water
up a pole to clean windows :)
i liked my freedom trolley but the only difference to me is that it
had a larger battery.would i pay 600-700 for pump battery and hose
on a sack truck now.
not a chance.
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Gary,
How do you fill your back pack. I dumped my trolley to go van mount as I was always topping up barrels and got so fed up of wet feet.
I use a back pack for the backs of terrace houses but it's really slow to refill from the van.
Lee
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DB Services not got a clue what your on about what did you expect when you seen one of these trolleys its a plastic container with a pump and a battery in it also if your were going to bulk buy them and sell you must of been getting them for peanuts anyway you get what you pay for if you want to spend £600+ on a shiney trolley then get a xline or Pure Freedom.
EXACTLY my point so thanks for agreeing with me. You DO get what you pay for!!
I see by your comment about Cleewindows you are somewhat lacking in diplomacy skills. That doesn't surprise me :)
For your info yes the price was peanuts so they suit being used by a monkey.
60 U.S. dollars each was the price FOB so even at £230.00 there is a tidy profit to be made from importing and selling them on. That was at the time when the exchange rate was around 2 dollars to the pound so for approx 30 quid I could have bought them and didn't think they were worth that amount.
I am merely trying to help someone who has asked a question here about these. It's up to him what he decides to do. Seems you react rather absurdly to anyone who disagrees with you doesn't it?
Dan
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WOW talk about double standards.
Have a look at this.
Have a look at the Powerflight 1350 top machine 500psi 2 vacs with and great heat also Amtech have seen sense and ditched the cheap Chinese vacs and went back to the Imperial vacs.
I do pop on here every now and then to see what is going on in the big wide world and how folks are getting on but sometimes it's worth it just for a good laugh :)
Dan
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Dan if you dont agree with me fair enough but when i here daft coments like you dont look profesional unless you have a Freedom Trolley or Xline Trolley utter nonsense.Dan the Chinese trolleys are far from perfect but they work fine and i no a few window cleaners that have them just out of interest can you tell me exactly what it is you dont like about them.
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Dan the big difference is i paid £3000 for my carpet cleaning machine and Amtech started using inferior vacs from China to save money without telling there customers who were buying there machines the cheap chinese trolley cost me £230 and so far has lasted 18 months.Whats the biggest selling backpack its the Window Cleaning Wherehouse one guess were thats made China.