Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Blue Frog Systems on February 20, 2010, 07:56:37 pm
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Had a look on gardiners site and can't find the sl-x 22ft or anything around that size.
Have they stopped selling them altogether or is it just temp till they get new stock in that it isn't listed on their site ?
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Had a look on gardiners site and can't find the sl-x 22ft or anything around that size.
Have they stopped selling them altogether or is it just temp till they get new stock in that it isn't listed on their site ?
i think they have stopped taking orders on them, thats all
expected to have some in stock end of feb / early march
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They are changing manufacturers again and as Matt said are expecting a new delivery.
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spoke to them yesterday, and they said they were getting ready to launch a "re vamped" slx range! But did not have a set date for this!
Tony
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They are changing manufacturers again and as Matt said are expecting a new delivery.
That's interesting, so maybe there were production issues, lets hope the new makers are working within something better than a 20% tolerance on wall thickness.
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Don't know. They were very cagey." Prices might go up or they might go down" I asked if the carbon would be any tougher - they don't know 'till they get them. :-\
I know what Alex would be saying. The girl was well trained and wouldn't be drawn into anything.
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Sorry if i'm dragging this off again...
But i don't think he fully realises the part that 'we' played in the launch and word of mouth publicity and marketing of this product without any conventional advertising whatsoever. He has a stark strategy choice, between getting back on here, going the conventional route of advertising and exhibitions, or thirdly watching his products remain sitting on the shelves and bomb.
The financial imperative must be that a return is immenent.
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I am an unpaid Gardiners rep. I think I should demand a company car.
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Exactly so.
Without us he's got to spend a lot of money for the same result.
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I have been very slow on this subject and always thought you had a dislike for Alex.
But I find it quite amusing now and can see where you are coming from now Slumps.
Yes I doubt there was much spent on advertising in the last three years ;D
Very smart move - I wonder if it was deliberate? Who knows.
I have seen a lot of posts popping up from fans of other manufacturers on here lately so I wonder if Alex will have to return and get the fan base back on track. ;D
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Only trouble is he will be back to: FAO Alex - my pole has jammed please take it back and fix it!
Probably cheaper to stay away.
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I don’t dislike Alex contrary to what some may think, I do admire the way Alex sold his poles on CIU, what I don’t agree with at all is the unethical aspect to his R&D regarding his poles using the members on CIU to pay for the poles development, that aspect and it’s cost should always lie with the manufacturer.
In my opinion he has had three attempts so far in less than 2 years with the sl-x, now according to this thread this will be his mark 4 pole attempt, at getting the sl-x right.
It won’t be at my expense.
Or is he is just going round buying cheap CF from where he can to make the next batch up.
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Nothing but admiration from me, don't mix me up with ewan.To become an industry expert is textbook marketing but very hard to do. He did it. On technical issues every one deferred to him, and i can not recall his giving wrong or bad advice once.
He stayed out of arguments brilliantly.Only at the end did he appear to show frustration with us.
To get the same results as he achieved with industry magazine advertising, manned exhibition stands and mass mailing would be over fifty and towards one hundred thousand pounds as a annual marketing budget.
Although exports may remain strong, penetration of our market (or us) will soon and probably already has declined.Continual positive exposure is always needed just to stand still.
My opinion is- and i have just read ewan- that the issue was stress of repeated petty arguments that weary the soul. However, for financial reasons coming back is a no brainer and the vast majority would love to see his expertise back on the forum.
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Sorry if i'm dragging this off again...
But i don't think he fully realises the part that 'we' played in the launch and word of mouth publicity and marketing of this product without any conventional advertising whatsoever. He has a stark strategy choice, between getting back on here, going the conventional route of advertising and exhibitions, or thirdly watching his products remain sitting on the shelves and bomb.
The financial imperative must be that a return is immenent.
in this instance, i disagree
the work has been done, the SLX is a window cleaners pole of choice, people will buy it now till something better comes along, and it hasnt yet
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The figures will have dropped off a cliff.
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I think the custom gained from CIU is a tiny minority of gardiners overall business!
He did right to leave this forum, it's got idiots like EWAN who believe their own oral garbage! ;D
Gardiners export all over the world, bet Alex is sat weeing himself that slumpbuster thinks CIU is his biggest retail outlet & best marketing asset! ;D ;D ;D
Man, you couldn't write this stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I don’t dislike Alex contrary to what some may think, I do admire the way Alex sold his poles on CIU, what I don’t agree with at all is the unethical aspect to his R&D regarding his poles using the members on CIU to pay for the poles development, that aspect and it’s cost should always lie with the manufacturer.
In my opinion he has had three attempts so far in less than 2 years with the sl-x, now according to this thread this will be his mark 4 pole attempt, at getting the sl-x right.
It won’t be at my expense.
Or is he is just going round buying cheap CF from where he can to make the next batch up.
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Just airing my opinion, you spend your money where you want to.
I bought the sl-x, I prefer to use it over my facelift pole which many say is the industry standard for quality, fact is though the facelift poles are a bit of a dinosaur even when just comparing it to the sl-x and its two only attributes the sl-x pole has, but the sl-x isn’t a quality pole and it has been developed at the same time it’s being sold to members on here.
Rolling you eyes is no help; at least I can praise the sl-x good points as well as mention the bad points. :P ;D
So what about all the other manufacturers/suppliers, are they still selling the same poles that they were when they started their business? Ionics, brodex etc.etc.? Have they not developed new versions of their products?
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Not peeing himself too much, from what i could see ciu was his only marketing tool.
His product launches were masterpeices of anticipation, not even bettered by such launches as the ninetendo wii.Dates were continually put back, preorders kept growing,and in turn we became desperate to own what promised to be the best bit of kit in the business.
Word of mouth will retain some of the momentum, and exports will be unaffected, but we are the core.
.... in my opinion......
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Craig being driven off was before my time on here, but i suspect he really was big enough not to need us.Glynn seemed to get sucked into arguments or be targeted. Alex was different because we both needed each other.
Just my thoughts,
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I don’t dislike Alex contrary to what some may think, I do admire the way Alex sold his poles on CIU, what I don’t agree with at all is the unethical aspect to his R&D regarding his poles using the members on CIU to pay for the poles development, that aspect and it’s cost should always lie with the manufacturer.
In my opinion he has had three attempts so far in less than 2 years with the sl-x, now according to this thread this will be his mark 4 pole attempt, at getting the sl-x right.
It won’t be at my expense.
Or is he is just going round buying cheap CF from where he can to make the next batch up.
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Just airing my opinion, you spend your money where you want to.
I bought the sl-x, I prefer to use it over my facelift pole which many say is the industry standard for quality, fact is though the facelift poles are a bit of a dinosaur even when just comparing it to the sl-x and its two only attributes the sl-x pole has, but the sl-x isn’t a quality pole and it has been developed at the same time it’s being sold to members on here.
Rolling you eyes is no help; at least I can praise the sl-x good points as well as mention the bad points. :P ;D
So what about all the other manufacturers/suppliers, are they still selling the same poles that they were when they started their business? Ionics, brodex etc.etc.? Have they not developed new versions of their products?
LOL, there’s a big difference between a “New Pole” and a make over, you obviously can’t tell the difference between the two but your not alone most wouldn’t
Haven’t Excel recently bought out a ‘New pole’? I don’t think so myself but many would. Maybe if you call a pole Glyder or fusion add some colour change the price hey presto you have a new pole.
Just to clarify a new pole would mean it didn’t exist before or at least most of the parts are new and not just some bits of it, especially if it’s only cosmetic changes.
;D ;D ;D
You numpty!
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Unless of course their really is a new pole, with new clamps etc, not an slx mark five, but a genuine groundbreaker.
In that case it would make sence to keep stumm and sell off all or most of the old stock.In practice this would mean running out of some sizes.......
What a cunning plan.
It can't possibly be true, but i do need two more 22's.It's perhaps best if i wait.
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Craig being driven off was before my time on here, but i suspect he really was big enough not to need us.Glynn seemed to get sucked into arguments or be targeted. Alex was different because we both needed each other.
Just my thoughts,
Don’t know the reasons why Craig left, I could assume the same reasons Glynn left.
i remember the incidents very well, it was a farce and both parties involved didnt come out of looking anything more than children
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Craig being driven off was before my time on here, but i suspect he really was big enough not to need us.Glynn seemed to get sucked into arguments or be targeted. Alex was different because we both needed each other.
Just my thoughts,
Don’t know the reasons why Craig left, I could assume the same reasons Glynn left.
i remember the incidents very well, it was a farce and both parties involved didnt come out of looking anything more than children
What was it matt?
ewan
it was just petty name calling and companies flexing muscles
i really dont want to go down the route of telling the story as i am sure people will have different takes on what went on
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Anyone know how much the sl-x 22 was priced at before it was removed from their site ? With vat :)
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WAs the 22 slx the most popular pole in the slx range. Was the the slx the pole that mage your hands black? If it was ,how long after new did this happen. My question is purely academic, so dont get carried away.
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Anyone know how much the sl-x 22 was priced at before it was removed from their site ? With vat :)
The total price of the Pole including VAT is £293.74
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There is to be a price rise as well according to Gardiners.
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There is to be a price rise as well according to Gardiners.
i had that price only a few days ago
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Alex wants a bigger yacht.
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I think the custom gained from CIU is a tiny minority of gardiners overall business!
He did right to leave this forum, it's got idiots like EWAN who believe their own oral garbage! ;D
Gardiners export all over the world, bet Alex is sat weeing himself that slumpbuster thinks CIU is his biggest retail outlet & best marketing asset! ;D ;D ;D
Man, you couldn't write this stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't belive Gardiners are some powerhouse retailer shipping all over the place in huge quantities. He can't even keep enough stock on the shelves to service orders as they come in. I had to wait over a month to order my SLX a year ago. Nothing has changed a year on and people are still waiting for months on end for stock to come in.
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They are changing manufacturers again and as Matt said are expecting a new delivery.
I wonder if it is anything to do with the wear issues. If it is we will never know anyway, he would have to replace so many crappy worn sections instead of charging £100.00 a pop.
There does seem to be anecdotal evidence that the mk1 SLX is wearing much better than the mk2 (changed manufacturer after mk1 afaik).
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You mean warranty issues- but posssible
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Had a look on gardiners site and can't find the sl-x 22ft or anything around that size.
Have they stopped selling them altogether or is it just temp till they get new stock in that it isn't listed on their site ?
why dont you call them ? you would get your answer
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Had a look on gardiners site and can't find the sl-x 22ft or anything around that size.
Have they stopped selling them altogether or is it just temp till they get new stock in that it isn't listed on their site ?
why dont you call them ? you would get your answer
I will, but seen as though they weren't open when I needed a rough idea, that's why I asked here ;)
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Reference a cunning plan....
A lot of poles such as the glider will be sold at windex and maybe a few we haven't heard of yet.It will be a big payday for a lot of the suppliers and will possibly define the coming year for them.
If i had a new pole and wanted to launch with impact but very little cost, i'd pop it on here unannouced the week before windex and make sure everyone was talking about me and not the others.
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i have the old style slx 30 and now i have the new slx 35 and the old one is still going strong but the new one wow it wears down fast plus black hand they changed the carbon bad idea if you ask me but still good poles better clamps but defo not better carbon ???
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i have the old style slx 30 and now i have the new slx 35 and the old one is still going strong but the new one wow it wears down fast plus black hand they changed the carbon bad idea if you ask me but still good poles better clamps but defo not better carbon ???
I'm wondering if there have been batch problems with the slx.
I've had my new type slx 25 since last August. No noticeable wear and no black hands - not even a slight trace. It's the only pole I use too. I may not do the amount of work that some of you do but that's still a whole load of daily use since August.
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Dunno but I preferred his website before he changed the colours.
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Ive been wanting to buy the slx 18 ft since November
Im getting really fed up now and im thinking of buying the ionics Glyder instead, im sure i saw something recently that they have a new version out.
May pop up to Swindon soon to check the pole out first hand