Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: matt on January 31, 2010, 08:14:07 pm
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right here goes
mine arrived yesterday
they supplied a adapter that was of dubious chinese build quality
so i thought not a issue, i will cut the plug off and put on a UK plug
anyways, i do it, plug it in and the power trips in the house, Hmmmmm
so i change the plugs fuse and wire the live the other way around
plug it in and the power trips again , Hmmmmm
so i just join the wires together with the plug i cut off, its 2 soldered points on a small PCB board with 2 LED's that let you know if the plug has power and if the heater is working
the thing works
so i check the live and neutral and take it apart again
wire it to the UK plug and the heater gets hot, result i think
so i take it out the van and drop it in, the house trips again :-\
so it works out of the water fine, doesnt under water
so i think the connection on the heater must be leaking
so i wire it back the old chinese plug and drop it in, only for the thing to be fine
anyone else have a problem with changing the plug on the heaters ? ??
the other 1 is in the van right now, i used the chinese plug and adapter, in hindsight i should have just left it as that but i thought a UK plug is a better option that some 2p adapter
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Sorry matt can't help there as mine are uk plugged.
Out of curiosity.... What watt heaters are they and how much did you pay for them ?
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Got a link or more info?
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Sorry matt can't help there as mine are uk plugged.
Out of curiosity.... What watt heaters are they and how much did you pay for them ?
500 W and i got 2 of them for 23 quid delivered
they are now 7.50 each with 5.00 postage, which is now even cheaper
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Got a link or more info?
no, because i was going to stick a "superlight " sticker on it and sell 2 to you, 45 quid each ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Automatic-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Heater-500W-105-Gallon_W0QQitemZ150404715305QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Fish?hash=item2304d1d329
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1000w :o I can't afford to switch that on!
Haven't they got a low energy 5w version?
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1000w :o I can't afford to switch that on!
Haven't they got a low energy 5w version?
have a read back
i am sure some1 said a 500 W costs about 10p a hour to run
it heats to 34 C , which will be luke warm and nice enough for me
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What's the best temperature for legionerres?
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Below 32
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Not much in it then :o
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http://www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/whatis.htm
Don't want to spoil the idea but should the warm water promote the growth of the bacteria I should imagine spraying the spoors about above your your head through fan jets could be the easiest way to catch it?
I don't know for sure so it's just a thought?
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bought a uk one 20ow and have it in tank just to keep the chill off the water. ideal
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http://www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/whatis.htm
Don't want to spoil the idea but should the warm water promote the growth of the bacteria I should imagine spraying the spoors about above your your head through fan jets could be the easiest way to catch it?
I don't know for sure so it's just a thought?
from the site :
6. Certain conditions increase the risk from legionella:
* a suitable temperature for growth, 20 to 45oC;
* a source of nutrients for the organism, eg sludge, scale, rust, algae, and other organic matter;and
* a way of creating and spreading breathable droplets, eg the aerosol created by a cooling tower or spa pool.
:o :o time for a rethink
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. The symptoms of Legionnaires' disease are similar to those of flu:
high temperature, fever and chills;
cough;
muscle pains; and
headache.
In a bad case there may also be pneumonia, and occasionally diarrhoea and signs of mental confusion.
i suffer from all them especialy the mental confusion ::) best get rid of my heaters
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umm maybe i wont go for the aquarium heaters then!
seems ill have to wait till i can afford a propper set up
ian
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so these hot water systems??????????????????????????????
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i am going to just turn mine down
18 C
it'll stop the water from freezing in the pipes, will mean i am not pumping 1 or 2 C water through the pipes and them being all hard and kinking
it was never about having hot water for me, just meaning a little bit of warmth to stop freezing
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so i change the plugs fuse and wire the live the other way around
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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so i change the plugs fuse and wire the live the other way around
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
just for the record, for others who might be interested ( not you, as i just cannot be bothered with your opinions )
both cables were the same colour
so it wasnt possible to tell what was live and what wasnt, thus a a guessing game as the unit is sealed
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not you, as i just cannot be bothered with your opinions
:D :D :D ;D :D :D :D ;D
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Matt,
even heating water to 18c might help in cleaning slightly. surely it will help break down bird bombs ect, even if its only slightly
ian
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Matt,
even heating water to 18c might help in cleaning slightly. surely it will help break down bird bombs ect, even if its only slightly
ian
your right ian,
its a fine line, i will insulate my tank so it will stay warm for the best part of the day
i dont like the idea of L.D , so i will play it safe and just heat to 18 C, at least it will not freeze in the tank and hoses, so thats half the problem gone
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6. Certain conditions increase the risk from legionella:
* a suitable temperature for growth, 20 to 45oC;
* a source of nutrients for the organism, eg sludge, scale, rust, algae, and other organic matter;and
* a way of creating and spreading breathable droplets, eg the aerosol created by a cooling tower or spa pool.
:o :o time for a rethink
Except that if you're heating pure water then there is no source of nutrients. There is nothing at all for them to fuel themselves, literally nothing, so you are at zero risk.
If you have any one of sludge, scale, rust algae or other organic matter, you're leaving dirty windows behind.
PW
good call, BUT but tanks will have a slight coating of algae, no matter how clean you think it is, if you leave water in a tank for any time, algae will grow
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If your insulating your tank Matt there will be no light though.
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I cut the plugs off mine. There are 3 wires, the one that is green/yellow that you'd assume is the earth wire isn't. It seems to be simply for working the light on the Chinese plug. Mine is wired up without that wire connected, but I've put them on RCD safety plugs for my own peace of mind.
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6. Certain conditions increase the risk from legionella:
* a suitable temperature for growth, 20 to 45oC;
* a source of nutrients for the organism, eg sludge, scale, rust, algae, and other organic matter;and
* a way of creating and spreading breathable droplets, eg the aerosol created by a cooling tower or spa pool.
:o :o time for a rethink
Except that if you're heating pure water then there is no source of nutrients. There is nothing at all for them to fuel themselves, literally nothing, so you are at zero risk.
If you have any one of sludge, scale, rust algae or other organic matter, you're leaving dirty windows behind.
PW
im not 100% sure but i believe that the pure water we use only has deposits such as calcium, carbon and and other tiny particals removed but i think bacterial can still be present in the water. even at 0000ppm.
its the bacteria that the LD strives on meaning LD can still be present in our pure water
ian
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A simple UV filter or ceramic filtration unit would remove any worries about LD. I've never heard of a wfp'er contracting it yet though, but the whole hot thing is relatively new.
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The difference here is keeping a tank of warm water instead of on demand heating.
I changed the transfer hose in my static system yesterday and it was pretty slimy and smelly although my tds is pretty good and the tank is kept in the dark.
I could be just scaremainering here because I don't know enough. Worth chattinng about though.
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i put 3kw emersion heater in 500lt tank warms up in 30mins the longer i leave the hotter the water
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"it was never about having hot water for me, just meaning a little bit of warmth to stop freezing"
Me too matt, ive got a 500l tank and one 300w heater set to 34deg c.,which brings it up to 16deg c. at the top by the morning.( 4deg lower than the legionaires ideal min temp). ive lagged it with a cylinder jacket and old quilt and was out this morning at 8.15. It didnt get above freezing until about 10ish, and was freezing on the sills/ground but no problem with freezing in the pipes. With a bit of common sense as to which props to clean, doors trad, salt (dishwasher not rock) with custys permission,etc and I reckon its not a bad investment at £20.(incl lagging). No need to go any hotter, unless freezing temp get too silly so legionaires not too much of an issue.
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"it was never about having hot water for me, just meaning a little bit of warmth to stop freezing"
Me too matt, ive got a 500l tank and one 300w heater set to 34deg c.,which brings it up to 16deg c. at the top by the morning.( 4deg lower than the legionaires ideal min temp). ive lagged it with a cylinder jacket and old quilt and was out this morning at 8.15. It didnt get above freezing until about 10ish, and was freezing on the sills/ground but no problem with freezing in the pipes. With a bit of common sense as to which props to clean, doors trad, salt (dishwasher not rock) with custys permission,etc and I reckon its not a bad investment at £20.(incl lagging). No need to go any hotter, unless freezing temp get too silly so legionaires not too much of an issue.
its not alot of money and if it means you can work just 1 hour extra, its paid for itself ;D