Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Peter Sweeney on January 21, 2010, 08:09:34 pm
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Guys
This is near ready. The plans are to simply elevate the industry's profile through various means but as I do not have any permission to post this information I thought it would be inapproprite to go into any more detail.
Those that would like to know more should contact me via peter@oakleafcc.co.uk
There will not be an immediate response as I am signing off for tonight.
Pete
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Good luck Pete and all concerned
Occurs to me I should really have said best wishes rather than good luck as when people do their homework as I suspect you have it's got little to do with luck.
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Pete
Try contacting an organisation called the NCCA. I think they may already do this.
Regards
Mike
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Pete
Try contacting an organisation called the NCCA. I think they may already do this.
Regards
Mike
And what's to say C.L.E.A.N association isn't going to wipe the floor clean with N.C.C.A ;D (Pun intended!!)
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Pete
Try contacting an organisation called the NCCA. I think they may already do this.
but why join that gang and and be one of the lowly minions when you can start your own gang and be top of the tree ;D ;D ;D
and the NCCA is full of decrepit old foggies, clean will be full of young, dynamic individuals.....go-getters who will shake up the industry and take it to a whole new level of professionalism!!
Although I say this jokingly ;) we all know the saying... 'many a true word said in jest'
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I'm sorry I just couldn't resist a comment. I've seen it all before on the window cleaning side with people complaining about the Federation. Save all your time, money and effort Pete - if you're not happy with the NCCA get involved and change it. The biggest problem you'll have is people that will promise to support it but when push comes to shove you'll be on your own and it'll fail. In fact, I've heard this conversation so many times I'd put money on it!
Please take this as it's intended. I'm not having a dig but I think you're wasting your time I'm afraid - the NCCA and the industry will all be worse off as a result. While some may well say the NCCA is full of old old foggies others will say they have considerably more experience and a 42 year head start!
Just my opinion for what it's worth
Regards
Mike
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Thats a very fair comment Mike and I appreciate your views. Yes the NCCA have been around along time and there is mountains of knowledge within the structure.
The point of CLEAN is not to be a new alternative to the NCCA but to focus on the the publics (corporate sector included) needs and not its members and certainly not it's directors.
I can say now that we have already concluded negotiations with ourt first National Contract and work for this organisation will be under way in the late summer.
As for changing the NCCA we have no desire to do this even though many have tried in the past and I suppose I could go as far to say that we are getting support from some of those but I will leave them to decide if they wish to make this public knowledge.
Pete
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Hi Guys
Well I'm certainly not young but maybe there's a bit of dynamism left ;D
I will be part of the CLEAN Association and my personal aim is to raise the level of technical understanding within the industry.
There are certainly going to be some dynamic people involved and it is best to see CLEAN as something new , not a replacement, something that will raise the profile of carpet cleaning within the general public and that has to be good for all.
Cheers
Doug
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Thats partly where the name comes from. Its also simple and punchy. Bit like the plans of the association really.
Dougs idea and we almost all fell off our chairs at the simplicity but brilliance of it.
Pete
aka Mr Blowfelt of S.P.E.C.T.R.E (ha ha, thanks Mr K, thats sublime)
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Sounds Good when you put it like that Pete ;D
Mike B - How about a £50.00 bet that its still going strong in 12 months time, when you lose you can donate to M.E Research.
Paul
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Can I enquire why this thread was started. A new association being announced but no details of it published. For more information you have to write to some e-mail address which I have never heard of. Is this some sort of secret society (or association).
Surely commerce will show that if you announce something 'new', you have to come out 'guns blazing' & a bit of pizzazz to capture your market.
Was this thread just ahead of the game or is it still a half baked idea
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My thanks to Steve Barnett for giving me a detailed response to my above post; on Truckmounters.com
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I am sorry that this, my first post is negative ,
Please refer to Pristine cleans post about an expense for joining this forum and his very clear statement
not to "Big up " carpet cleaning.
Get real !!!
You are a cleaner -----end of!!!
It ain,t difficult
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So query? you can get a detailed explanation on a TM forum BUT not on this forum? so whats that all about then? another George Orwell institution? (all being equal and that!!!)
Regards
Tony
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Elliott
Hope it ant a TM thing ;)
Len
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George Orwell ??? ??? :o. Guess you are eluding to Social Injustices??
Social Injustice is when unequals are treated equally ;) So why not log into the TM forum - I'm sure they will treat you equally :)
P.S. Len: All things being equal, I don't think so ( but maybe I'm being treated unequal & they are holding something back)
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So it looks like a TM thing then!!!!!
So who is in for financial gain from this new institution? no one sets this stuff up for free, time, effort, knowledge, they all come at a price. Who is actually the driving force (or forces behind this new "group" of betters!) and who is it going to benefit?
So far TM member/owners, but who else and also i thought you were not supposed to advertise on this forum for financial gain ( believe me someone will gain) unless that only counts for some people!
Tony
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And that means if some of the moderators (who are supposed to police the site) are in then it dont matter!!!!
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what ?
I do not understand any of these replies.
Is there a secret code, or can you not speak in a constructive sentence ?
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Davey750
What u talking about, i just read what you said and that is not a sentence either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A question is not a sentence.
I now know where I am.
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Guys
Its nowhere near as complicated as you are suggesting, together we are stronger. End of. As for profit, When its launched, check Companies House, you will see it a non profit making organisation and you can't lie about that.
If you read the first post you will see why I have not posted any further info. Stevee chose to post a sensible response to the expected "nay sayers".
If you are a true professional and don't join you will still benefit so just wait and see. Those that do join will just benefit that little bit more.
Pete
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You lot are on drugs :P
Back to the thread for gawds sake.
I for one think the association is a brill idea, its joe public we need to educate - and I sincerely hope they do it whether it be one year, 5 years or 20 years. It will all be for the benefit of US 'carpet cleaners'.
So give the guys behind it a break, and be a bit positive. They are not quite ready to launch just yet as I understand it, but give it time.
Mark
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Is it me or are there a lot of new posters who have come online all at once to answer this post?
Hello to new and old friends ;)
Shaun
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Hi Shaun
I think most on here are intelligent enough to read between the lines.
Pete
aka Mr Blowfelt ;D
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No its you.
Is it OK for other people to join a forum , or do you need to be a member of some sort ?
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No its you.
Is it OK for other people to join a forum , or do you need to be a member of some sort ?
I rest my case, that makes no sense whatsoever ::)
Mark
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Is it me or are there a lot of new posters who have come online all at once to answer this post?
Hello to new and old friends ;)
Shaun
Funny that Shaun thought the same myself, wonder if they've got the same IP address ;D
All the best,
Jason.
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How can you rest a case without making one !!
And please enlighten everybody by stating what it is.
p.s. what are the juvenille smiley faces ?
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I thought it was funny there where new posters on the subject too
I think everybody should just Ignore them unless they fill there profiles in, Unless they have something to hide that is ?
Paul
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With respect Davey it gives your posts some credibility if you fill in your profile. Believe it or not there are some serious shi t stirers on these forums. And its easy enough for anyone to create a new account.....
All the best,
Jason.
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Because I have nothing to hide nobody needs to know anything.
That is why if any muppet votes Labour they can expect to fill in forms everyday.
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO ASK ME.
only people with something to hide want to cheat a system.
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Davy,
Put all the doubters to rest and call me. I'm still up (albeit very tired and lethargic) from an unusual cold so feel free to call now.
Pete
07816 276290
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If I am guilty of commenting on an open forum , and having an opinion , so be it.
At least I have my own opinion.
tel: 0777 614 7677
If thats what you want
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And ?
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Davey why dont you just fill in your profile?
All the best,
Jason.
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Its now 20 mins
does it take this long to make a decsion ?
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Pete emailed you as requested
Regards Tony
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Jason
Why are you so interested in me ?
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It adds some credibility to your posts if your profile is filled in especially when you're questioning some well respected members of the cleaning forums...
All the best,
Jason.
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Pete
A few serious questions I would like to ask.
1.What is the official association going to be called?
2.How much is it to join and yearly fees?
3.What will the association bring to the table that the NCCA do not offer?
4. Can members of this new association be members of both or will there be some sort of conflict of interest?
5. How many members does the association expect to join in its first year?
6. Who is going to run it at the start ?(Names of people involved)
7.How many people are going to be on the board?
8. Will board members be voted in yearly?
Bob
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I understand credibility ,
However if a member sets out to ask to be telephoned, and ignores such.
Please draw your own conclusions , before anybody engages with me have your story correct.
In the nice possible way.
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It is now exactly 1 hour that you challenged me to phone ,
where are you ? or are you earning loads of money like most carpet cleaners.
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Davey its gone midnight why would people call at this hour?
You've provided your phone number so has Pete, perhaps you can speak tomorrow.
All the best,
Jason.
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When an association or membership emerges a lot of people feel threatened particularly when there's a lack of information which might reassure them.
I realise this is not the best place to discuss the subject so information will be sketchy but I would like to suggest to anyone who might be concerned about the possible impact on their business should relax.
No matter how big any association becomes it's unlikely to have a negative effect on your business whatever method you use to clean carpets.
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Well said Robert,
Although I'm not directly associated with the association I know people that are. They are keen to introduce a new association that confirms members skill levels and achieve national recognition and contracts.
I think its a fantastic step in the right direction for our industry that a handful of experienced and forward thinking cleaners are challenging the old school and trying to bring a new cleaning association into the modern world. Enthusiasm, experience & knowledge... Is there a better combination!!
All the best,
Jason.
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Is it me or are there a lot of new posters who have come online all at once to answer this post?
Hello to new and old friends ;)
Shaun
;D
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Guys, I realise there are alot of questions and some that we could indeed answer now but for the purpose of dong it "by the book" we will not.
This post was merely to get details of those who might be interested to support ongoing negotiations that we are currently engaged in.
I would like to stress, again, that we are NOT competing with the NCCA and this will become clearer upon launching.
As Rob says though, there is nothing to feel threatened by.
Davy, I will ring you this morning. I did not last night as I am unwell and was asleep at the time of your call request.
Cheers
a rather poorly Pete
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Another day...another opportunity :)
Having hit my 65th birthday last year, believe me, life is SHORT but it's only when you realise how much you have still to do that you realise how short it is.
If an opportunity comes along that MIGHT improve your life, your business, your future, at least look at it . If you don't someone else will and they might be your closest competitor !
Have a good day
Get out and breathe in some fresh air, clear your head and get rid of all negative thoughts.
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so another association and theres quite a few floating around that take our money ,year in year out ,I am more than happy with the NCCA ,its been running years and at 37 im not an old foggie yet as someone seems to think we all are , carnt vouch for Joe though ;D only joking
these new association that start up , seem to give the impression of a money making scheme along the lines .
this CLEAN association is a reg company I believe ? with pete as managing director ? on a wage ? as a company director? I dont know ,but when somebody puts a post up about a new Cleaning association but can give no details about the above ????!!! ,pete im not being funny but people will either think your St peter patron saint to carpet cleaners , or its another carpet cleaners idea of making a few extra bucks when times are hard, well Ive made up my mind !! ,peter sorry if this post sounds a bit negative but I do wish you all the best ,but for me Im out
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I am all for a modern fresh approach, CLEAN sounds like just what is needed.
My only reservation is that CLEAN says not much about carpet cleaning. Carpet cleaning is a small town in the Isle Of Wight compared to the cleaning industry being the whole of Britain.
As someone once said, Carpet cleaning and the Isle of Wight are like an old sleepers knickers, everyone knows they are there, yet no-one cares.
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Ady, how can you decide to be out when you don't know all the details.
I certainly don`t. But always like to keep an open mind until I know the facts.
I find the negativity on here quite incredible. Pete`s already said it`s not about making money.
Even if it was and the people involved were doing a good job. Why should they not be rewarded.
Rab.
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Rab , so you only want positive views on clean it up I thought this site invited different views on a topic.as for peter I did offer my best wishes and I do hope he does well.
I have been a member of c i u for a number of years now and have decided not to visit this site agian as a result of the above, I thank all the members for there help and support over the years when ive needed it ,signing off Ady
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Ady, still not clear whats ruffled your feathers. :(
All I know about CLEAN is that some dedicated carpet cleaners have been working for some months now on this venture. Not too much has been released during that time, despite criticism from some quarters.
I think you need to have an open mind at this point in time.
All Pete has said is if you want to register an interest and want to know more when the time is right to release the info, then register - its costing nothing to register an interest, so what does anyone have to loose.
Thats all it is - registering an interest in more info and its costing nothing to do it.
Why all the negativity?
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So if you come on here with an opinion that doesnt suit the majority it would appear you dont have a place on this forum or the right to comment!?
All associations make money in one way or another and for Pete to say its registered as a non profit making organisation doesnt really mean anything, we can all make the books show no profit if we want.
Someone will run the organisation and will be paid for it
Others will be involved and they will also be paid for it
those people are the ones that will be gaining
I dont think any of the comments made on this thread have been wrong but it does highlight the very two tier system being run on this site.
Regards
Tony
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Two tier system - I am missing something here. :(
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Tony
You are hypothesising. You, as the rest of us, are working at present from a position of ignorance.
From my experiences with the NCCA, individuals do not have to earn or make profit from an association.
Lets all wait and see what C.L.E.A.N. has to offer. If you don't like it, don't join. It's an easy and free judgement to make. But to make or suggest judgements before it's launched is just crazy.
Just an opinion from an Old Fogey 8)
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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Joe
a couple of weks back someone came on this forum advertising themself as a leaflet designer/printer (i dont know this person or have anything to do with it), they were promptly informed by a moderator that they were not allowed to post services for financial gain on this site without permission of the sponsors and i can see a point to this although i do think the approach and alleged subsequent actions of the moderator involved was a little over the top. This person was obviously no friend of any moderator and therefor was promptly told to get out.
Now Pete advertises a new association on the forum and because he is a friend and they are involved (the moderators) this is completely ok?.
There will be a financial gain because members will have to part with money unless joining the association is free!!
So how are these any different, both offering a service, in both instances people will part with money.
That is what i mean by two tier.
Tony
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Ken
to be honest, for me, this doesnt have anything to do with C.L.E.A.N and it may very well be a great association when it is launched and i wish them every success, hell i might even want to join, what i object to is what i see as double standards by the moderators on this forum.
Regards
Tony
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Tony
I can see where you're coming from on the two tier issue. A fine line has to be trodden and, IMO, I think the moderators have it right.
A company, or it's agent, making what is in effect an advert, doesn't fall within the no unpaid advertising of this, or many other, forums.
However, a trade organisation, whether that be IICRC, NCCA or C.L.E.A.N. is of significant interest to us all, whether positive or negative. All claim to be non-profit organisations and to be representative of our industry in some way or another. Because of of their relevence to us all, I feel that the freely offered opinions on them all are relevent to us and should continue to be allowed.
Lets all wait until the public launch before we offer criticisms of the unknown.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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I understand what you referring to Tony.
Just a point though - we have 3 moderators on this section of CIU - Ian,Doug and Mike. Only one of them, Doug, has an involvement with CLEAN.
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Ken and Joe
I see what your both saying.
I will email Pete and ask for more information (whether he will send it to me after this i dont know), as i said my problem is not with the new association, and it will be interesting to find out more.
Still though i do think on occasion the moderators need to be moderated as there are, if you look, inconsistencies they should address to ensure that the forum is open and honest and benefits all of its members equally.
Tony
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Tony,
What gets said on here by anyone will not be judged by anyone in the CLEAN group.
We are not selling anything, there is no profit and this is for the good of the industry so the moderators have done nothing wrong.
Mike Boxall is the owner of this forum and what he says goes. Mike and I have certainly not seen eye to eye in the past so I can assure you there is no favouratism involved. If he felt it was innapropraite he would have removed it immediately regardless of the opinions or connections of the moderators.
I have your email which I will reply to. I see in the main you are a contract cleaning firm. I might be able to pass some work your way in the future.
I will reply in a bit with my details and perhaps we can have a chat.
Pete
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Although as Pete has said this is going to be a none profit organization Don't think that the people doing this are doing it for the good of their healths.
Now I am not saying they should just pointing out this is a bussiness venture for those involved I think.
or am i getting it wrong.
Regards Tony Gill
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Hi Tony
You are absolutely right, we are not just doing this for the good of our healths. We are not insane. If 10% more peolple in this country have their carpets cleaned will we all benefit? Yes. If I get a national contract of work will I be doing some of it? Yes.
Pete
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Good luck with it Pete
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The idea of any association is that the 'association' doesn't make money but the members do! the work generated will be for the members to make a profit, the costs for running would come from membership fees any excess would be put into marketing to gain more work for the members.
Shaun
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Thanks Art,
Blimey your out of CIU retirement :o
Catch up with you on the other side mate.
Pete
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Look forward to receiving details, best of luck to all involved.
At least their doing something and so what If the guys who put in the groundwork reap the benefits.
Been apathetic in past but maybe a forum led organization is what the industry needs.
mark
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So as directors etc etc would you be drawing an income from CLEAN.
Cheers Tony Gill
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Tony,
If someone builds and maintains a website they will be paid for their time which is obvious, I hope this answers yours and those others that clearly want this info made public.
Why have you asked this on here when you were emailing me questions earlier?
Pete
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Perhaps due to the lack of detail at present some have formed the opinion that this is just another organisation out to take our " hard earned " and give nothing in return.
If it lives up to the expectations and aspirations of the founding members IT WILL PUT MONEY IN YOUR POCKET as it ( as I understand it ) is primarily about
Improving consumer awareness of the benefits of regular cleaning
Improving the image of carpet cleaners through certification
Increasing the volume of carpet cleaning work by better marketing
That's what I think it's about and if successful it will benefit the entire industry
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WHY NOT As you say Pete myself and others are curious and by posting about CLEAN on this forum it has raised many questions people want to know.
No other reason whatsoever it's a forum.
Regards Tony Gill
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and we all know to get something off the ground and running takes time, energy and money.
So if those involved get a payback so what,
but like any business starting from scratch, you put much more in then you get out.
So I dont think there will be much return initially, if any.
I have registered my interest and look forward to learning more.............. in due time.
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well id definatly be interested in some more info, cant write something off before you know what its all about.
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Could not agree more Joe it was just a question. I too have registered my interest.
Regards Tony Gill
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Pete
Dont know how you think i am in contract cleaning, i,on my own only do carpet cleaning, i do dabble in contract cleaning but pass that through another company(my old mans) who i also do work for so we would be happy for any contacts, thanks.
My main concern about associations is the power they can create if not managed properly, i was watching Cromwell today on bbc2 (good film, total work of fiction), i do think Richard Harris is (was) a great actor, did love him in the Wild Geese, but anyway back to the topic, all associations are corruptable (just like the house of commons). I dont know why all the members of this forum got into carpet/and or/general cleaning but it wasnt for an association to tell them how to be trained, what chemicals they can use etc...etc..etc..
All associations have to have standards and all the rest but i wouldnt like to lose work because i am not a member, whats to say mine or any other cc standards are not better than that of an association?
If that was the case and we wanted rules etc... we would get a franchise so we could be told how to run it?
Just my thoughts
Tony
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Dont think this new set up will take work of anyone ..
Guess its going to have a so called board of directors..
Think its good people are asking questions..
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Tony
If one of CLEANS aim is to promote higher public awareness of professional carpet cleaners is that a good or a bad thing?
I know I am getting fed up with Rug Doctor being promoted as a professional carpet cleaning machine, and the likes of Ideal World selling the Bissell machine for £200 and stating it does a job as good as getting a professional in - maybe if that "professional" is a splash and dash merchant their statement maybe true. However, the real professionals are getting tarred with the same brush and its not good for us nor the public.
What impact CLEAN can do - we will have to wait and see.
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If CLEAN only achieves half of what our aims for it are, then the industry will benefit as a whole, let alone the members.
Tony, to answer your question - NO, there are no plans for the directors to draw a salary of any description and I can assure you that you couldn't put a price on the amount of hours that have been put into the set up of it.
I know it must be frustrating guys, but we are launching it at/just before CCDO and nothing will change that, but then all your questions will be answered.
But please believe that all Directors only have the best interests of the industry at heart.
You'll just have to take my word for it.
Steve
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I think that the main problem is the lack of information and the seeming reluctance by the organisers to release details.
Please do not get me wrong, I am neither for nor against the new organisation. How could I be when I know nothing about it?
I cannot express an interest in something I know nothing about. If the organisers would be willing to share some information then they may well get a better reception.
Secrecy breeds doubt, cynicism and prompts people to draw their own conclusions.
Come on guys, let us know what it is we have to look forward to, maybe then, you would get the doubters on side too.
Having said the above, I wish the guys all the best for the launch of CLEAN and I will watch with interest.
Andy
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Andy
It's nothing to do with reluctance to release details. We have set a launch date, by which time all the legal ramifications will be in place as well as training programmes, marketing strategies etc.
There is no benefit to releasing details on a piecemeal basis.
We have probably said far more than we wanted to say at this stage on this thread alone.
Steve
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I understand that there is a launch date to be stuck to, but how can you reasonably expect people to be interested in something they know nothing about?
You have to expect a certain amount of cynicism and doubt about the association when you are expecting people to 'just take your word for it' and offer no information.
I sent a message to one of the organisers back in September after I was asked to consider joining and I have yet to receive a reply... like I said, a lack of information is the problem here.
If you didn't want questions then you should have kept it all quiet until the launch.
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Steve
I know that you was answering Tony Gill, but please, now it looks like that you and all the others involved are creating an association out of the goodness of your own hearts with no gain except to highlight carpet cleaning as a service. Now come on not even you believe that. The bush i was born under died a long time ago and there HAS TO BE an angle or you wouldnt be doing it. So whats the angle??
Tony
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Steve
If you were not in a position to answer questions ( i mean as a group) then you should have all kept quite until the launch date, the fact that you have all managed it in this way does show a little nievity, no, unprofessionalism in your approach. Maybe i am being a little unfair but you have made some of us very sceptical already due to the lack of information available.
That is not the way to build a foundation to a successful venture, surely open information, free talking would have been the best way.
No one likes cloakes and daggers!
Tony
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Tony
What angle do think there is ? Honestly, would you prefer if I said that I was going to earn thousands of pounds out of this venture, I expect a degree of cynicism but some of the posts on this topic are getting a bit bizarre.
Believe me we could all have earnt a lot more money if we had spent the time developing our own businesses rather than spending it on setting up CLEAN.
Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head, when it is launched in April you can all make your own minds up and be a part of it, or not. In the same way cleaners choose to be a part of NCCA or not.
There is nothing more that I, or anyone else can say at this time that will stop the questions, negativity or cynicism. Equally I am sure that when it is launched there will be even more of the same, thats simply human nature.
I'm in business to make money Tony, same as you and everyone else in this industry and if the formation of this association helps us all to achieve that end then surely that is a good thing.
If there was something underhand going on, then we could have just formed a little syndicate, got some contracts, done them ourselves and sod everyone else.
Feel free to respond, but I'm going to bed.
No offence.
Steve
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Steve
Good night
All my love, sweet dreams, blah blah blah
Tony
( no answers forthcoming, so we can at present draw our own conclusions, but what Steve said is right we are all in business to make money)
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I think it is reasonable to expect the guys who will be holding posts within the association to earn some kind of payment for their time etc.
It will be interesting to see if it is more than just a glorified directory of carpet cleaners who have paid to be recommended, also to see how the allocation of work is done... the NCCA claim to have a rotating list for enquiries in different geographical areas but we all know that is not the case... will this be the same.
This is of course pure speculation as I don't have the facts.
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yes a little more info would be good, even just what the aims of this new venture was. And how this was going to be achieved. Just an overview would do!
Well theres definatly plenty of interest, the word is spreading :)
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Steve is right and I am guilty of saying more than I should have done without getting agreement from the rest of the group.
I am not going to say this again.
The purpose of this post was to get details of people to list on the clean website so that when meetings with potential contracts take place (as they have already) and some media (FREE) opportunities occur we can create more credibility and that is it.
Read the whole thread before posting and you will probably find that you won't post at all
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Credibility... hmmm.
I think I will call you Monday Pete if that is OK.
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Pete
Now that kind of makes sense, so if that is the way it was explained yesterday.............not going to repeat anything else i have said.
Tony
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And also where are all the big gobs from last night,(ONLY A FEW POSTS ,WHO ARE THEY BLAH BLAH BLAH, dont listen to them they dont know anything, probably the same ip address, blah blah blah)
Yes talking about u
Jason, Paul, Elliot, Davey, Shaun!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL QUITE!!!!!!!!
Tony
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Steve is right and I am guilty of saying more than I should have done without getting agreement from the rest of the group.
I am not going to say this again.
The purpose of this post was to get details of people to list on the clean website so that when meetings with potential contracts take place (as they have already) and some media (FREE) opportunities occur we can create more credibility and that is it.
Read the whole thread before posting and you will probably find that you won't post at all
Ive read the whole post many times still none the wiser but yes prob wont post again
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Love It ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-* :-*...so say If all the carpet cleaner in say NEWCASTLE join .....and theres work to be pass out there.... who gets it .....say theres 5 cleaners and only ONE job !!!!
I know My brother if for this but me well i dont care I dont clean carpets no more!!
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Seek with the Google God my children and ye shall find. ;)
http://www.cleanassociation.org.uk/
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Thanks Dennis, we were hoping to wait until it was finished. Bu hey ho :P
Andy, as always my phone is on but I won't be telling you anymore than you already know. Don't stress too much about it mate. Just don't join, wait for a year and see how it goes. But please don make comments like "credibilty...mmmm" thats just inpolite which surprises me coming from you.
Pete
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All will be revealed Pete
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Thanks Dennis, we were hoping to wait until it was finished. Bu hey ho :P
Pete
Don't shoot the messenger, it's freely available in the public domain so I thought it might help answer some of the questions posed on here. Sorry.
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Pete
If "you" didnt want the web site to be seen until full launch there are ways and means of doing that - and thats with my VERY limited knowledge of web sites.
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Guys
It really isn't a problem in fact its quite funny that we had'nt thought of it. Just getting fired at from all directions at the moment so don't take to heart.
Pete
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Looks like the site been taken down
Mystrey
is a great way to Launch a New Product if thats what it is.
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Thanks Art,
Blimey your out of CIU retirement :o
Catch up with you on the other side mate.
Pete
Ok mate ;D ;)
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Ian
The site has been taken down because it isn't finished yet. It wasn't advertised, but someone posted the link on here.
Yet another negative remark, this time from you ::)
Steve
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Lets be fair Steve this post should not have been made yet until the launch of CLEAN if you did not want people to comment.
All we are guilty of is wanting to know more.
I for one think it could be a GREAT thing but it is human nature to ask questions and want answers once a post has been made.
Good luck with it
Cheers Tony
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Hi Tony
I'm happy to read comments positive or negative and I wish we could divulge more information.
But some of the more cynical and spiteful comments are nothing more than cheap shots. But hey, I've got thick skin.
Hope you're well mate.
Steve
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Hi Steve
Got to agree with tony on this.
Why just not wait till its all set for lift off and then reveal all ???
I think most of us can guess who will be on the board of directors :)
cheers
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Like to see who is on shall we all have a guess?
Shaun
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The original post COULD have read ............
A number of carpet cleaners have spent time during the last few months planning the launch of a new organization aimed at raising the profile and standards in the Carpet cleaning and allied industries.
The new association will be launched in April when furthur details will be released.
The association will not produce direct profits for the directors, but is merely being set up on an altruistic basis for the benefit of other like- minded individuals in the industry.
Expressions of interest are invited to clean@ clean.co.uk
P.S. I am nothing to do with CLEAN , this is just my opinion
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yes Im back couldnt stay away ,if this group of dedicated carpet cleaners who are starting this C L E A N put on the forum at the start there ideas e t c rather than a group of pals getting together then it would for me seem to have a bit more credability,and lets face it its a money making scheme where we give you money and what will we get ?? ,stick to making money from your customers and not carpet cleaners like yourselfs,times are very hard but havent yet got to the stages of starting ADYS CARPET CLEANING ASSOCIATION,director ady porter,sec ady porter,
wages dept ady porter. watch this space I quite fancy being a managing director :) ;)
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Been watching this thread develope. why not just let it develop if your interested provide your details and then after digesting what is on offer make a decision on whether you want to be involved. With a topic like this you are always going to get a lot of negativity. But i for one want to praise those who have got off their arse and are doin something pro-active for the good of all. And i will certainly give my support.
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Been watching this thread develope. why not just let it develop if your interested provide your details and then after digesting what is on offer make a decision on whether you want to be involved. With a topic like this you are always going to get a lot of negativity. But i for one want to praise those who have got off their arse and are doin something pro-active for the good of all. And i will certainly give my support.
Couldn't have put it better myself!
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Is it me or does Ady sound like a negative sort of kiljoy? You could just imagine him cant you, life and sole of the party ;D
Ady, smile, take some time out, no-one is mugging you or taking your money. Its all about self choice - like all things in life.
Mark
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Ady
The CLEAN Association is not just something thats been drawn up just 5 minutes ago, its been under the wraps for probably over a year now. I know most of the guys involved and thay are dedicated carpet cleaners who feel that the public in general are not aware of what a professional cleaner can achieve. They aim to change that. Sure, they not going to reach 100% of the population (nor anyway near it) but the market is massive and they want to tap into it - for the benefit of themselves and other pros.
We will all find out what its about early April at the latest.
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Mark Ady IS a good guy and nearly an East Yorkshireman ;D ;D ;D
Cheers Tony
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Why dont we all just sit back and wait I am sure it will be good for some and not for others at the end of the day you will join or you won't the choice will be yours.
I know I have a lot of respect for some of the people i know are involved.
Regards Tony
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Joe
I have already said that i am not against an association, but the comments that have been given from, what shall we say, the founders and their friends and supporters are no where near answering any questions given to them. Any comment that does not support them is given the brush off and recieve very little answer, but they wallow in any support that is given to them.
My main concern now is how they are managing the whole situation, any one can start a club, so now before i joined i would want any director to qualify their credentials. Running your own carpet cleaning business for a hundred years wouldnt give you the credentials to manage a club/gang/association where members have to pay a fee.
And also you will remember that old thread about TACCA where the same thing happened, i remember some comments about Doug not being interested in that association beacause he already had designs on setting up some kind of training school, well there you have it, C.L.E.A.N. That by the way is another example of the two tier, double standards i was talking about before.
Regards
Tony
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Now I'm not having a go at Paul Moss and don't want it to look that way but he is doing a leather club/association/membership and for that he is charging people for training and exclusive products is this a big deal?
I for one didn't join but I do wish Paul the very best with it this is used as an example.
Shaun
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Paul Moss; leather club; exclusive products :o
Hope this has to do with cleaning & restoration Shaun
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I guess it'll be supply and demand.
Shaun
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"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars,the best way would be to start his own religion".
L Ron Hubbard (founder of scientology)
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"forget about trying to raise the professional image our industry and work out how you can raise your own professional image. I want every other carpet cleaning to be an idiot who can't string two words together, I want them to be unshaven and smell of BO."
Just found this quote from Mike Halliday on CCDO.
Interesting isnt it!
Now i dont know if he has anything to do with CLEAN but it is very telling isnt it!!
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"forget about trying to raise the professional image our industry and work out how you can raise your own professional image. I want every other carpet cleaning to be an idiot who can't string two words together, I want them to be unshaven and smell of BO."
Just found this quote from Mike Halliday on CCDO.
Interesting isnt it!
Now i dont know if he has anything to do with CLEAN but it is very telling isnt it!!
Peoples attitudes change, that's a fact....! Lets see if you're eating humble pie if CLEAN meets your requirements and you decide that after all the negativity, you were actually going to be quids in by joining!
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Colin
Your not bothered that Mike would like you to be an ape like creature who cant talk properly??????
Bizzare!!!!!
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And Colin
Again i must repeat myself, i have nothing against the association and it may very well be a good thing, but please ,every time i dont agree with my teenage daughter she acuses me of having or being negative so that line is getting a bit boring.
Tony
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Mark Lawrence ,we have never met,I have never bad mouthed you or any one on a personal basis who is connected with C L E A N but I take it that with your attack on me I have to ask are you one of the C L E A N mob??
In my opinion and if its alright with Mark to have one , I find this whole thing a little bit cheesey and although I admit I do not know anything apart from the posts about C L E A N its not for me and Im not alone it seems ,but as before I do offer my best to the mob involved. Mark :-*
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Colin
Soon if i keep posting i will be a Cleanitup God and then....... I can start my own association.
Look mate, no sorry your not my mate, your being negative to me so i will be negative back, but, and i do get bored repeating myself ,has anyone really answered any critisism in any of the posts??? No, not really, and you have to ask yourself, why? because they cant?, because they dont want to? because there is another agenda? without information the possibilities are endless and as i said before (if your able to read) this does show nievity in starting this thread in the first place.
And clearly you are a friend of Mikes, because he wants you to be an ape but you dont mind!!!!!!!
So cant be objective anyway.
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ady p
Can you and me start our own mob (only joking)
because there are very few voices on this forum, and you keep deregistering! whats that all about?
Tony
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colin dont you like negativity on this site everyone has there own opinions ive had my rant about this CLEAN association there are people for and against.Ive been ripped personaly its not nice .I for one have read posts by aandm and back some of his opinions . p.s up the navy :)
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Tony I got fed up with not being allowed to be negative but have only jacked it once this morning , how about ady & tonys carpet cleaning association what do you say £250 membership and of course we are a non profit making organisation ;)
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Colin
It is fairly typical of many "big boys" on this site and i include you as you have just displayed, no answers to any critisism!!! but want to make me an Ape( when one of the moderators wants us all to be like that, doesnt that bother you in the slightest?), now i dont know about you but this is serious and thats why i am posting about it but clearly you think it is a joke.
Tony
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ady
At 250 a pop we could be millionaires this time next year, AGM in the Bahamas March 2011 me thinks ;D
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will be there, will there be a free bar ? :)
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That depends on the take up, should we start a new thread? A.T.C.C.A (ady & tony's carpet cleaning association) we could tell everyone the name but dont tell them any details at all and ignore any posts we dont like because we got our own club anyway so any outsiders who dont agree with us wont be able to join anyway and we only want idiots so we can look good and tell them where to buy their chemicals, where to get their leaflets ,no affiliations of course(that means back handers if you dont get it) and how to clean carpets (but their supposed to know that already).
Ady, this could be a real money spinner!!!!!!!!
Tony
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Colin
Dont you think its strange that no one else is answering any critisism?, who has his hand up your a***? Pete? Doug? or Steve?
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£200 is what the NCCA charge and I believe that they are a non profit organisation with over 400 members.
Shaun
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Tony we are deffinetly singing from the same hymn book ,lets go for it dont like carpet cleaning anyway and this is a way of parking the t/m up will ask Colin if he will be our public relations officer :) ;)
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80K a year on Shauns figures, well thats the AGM to the Bahamas cancelled, hardly worth the bother, and if the NCCA only has that many members how the hell does it survive, sounds like a complete and absolute failure after so many years, and where does that 80k go, beer and logo's probably.
But Shaun you are involved and you have nothing to say!!!!!
Tony
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ady
I am one of these people that either takes a like or dislike to someone straight away, regardless of the situation (face to face or on a keyboard), but i like you, you have a sense of humour clearly along my lines and there are many on this forum so full of s***, self rightious and clearly only out for themselves( the moderators are by far the worst offenders).
So dont leave again, i dont have many friends.
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Colin
Did you read any of my posts?
I aint interested in forming an association, especially as Shaun says there no money in it (yer right)
So why are you not ignoring me? like i said i can keep posting and be a CLEANITUP GOD soon and then everyone has to follow me, listen to me, never ever question me!!
So, anyway, back to the only person able to form an opinion on here, Ady, where you from, i'm from London.
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Brother we will fight and die together ,till the last minute of our membership on c i u is cancelled. then we can start our own forum as well?? ;)
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That's been done a few times
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Ady
If they cancelled our membership we could claim martyr status, higher than cleanitup god status!!! now watch that catch on.
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tony email adyporter@tiscali.co.uk
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aandm you're beginning to sound like that total embarassment of a big jessy called Vinny Jones
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Don't watch it Colin but could hear his pathetic comments while in another room on laptop.
Wife and kids were shockes at his " poor me " behaviour and his mention of getting his lawer involved in something.
What a tosser.
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???
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guys,please, now your being insulting.
Colin, please. decent people (professionals) dont start something and then desert like they have done, no back bone my friend, no back bone, only had to see Shaun off with one question and he buggered off!!!!!
Victor, i mean robert (yes you heard it a thousand times so one more wont kill you), dont tell me you watch Big Brother!!, i am almost embarrased to even know he is on it and that you watch it, pathetic, the both of you.
Ady, will email you, inclined to turn this off to be honest but there is just something that keeps me wanting to see the next idiot comment thast comes from Colin!!!
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I am now a full member!!! :D
How many posts to become a god?
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tony20
Do ya wanna be my gimp too ;)
So you also dont think i am allowed an opinion!
Whose hand up your a***?
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Colon, i mean Colin, what is a 2@ ?????
This is getting realllllllyyyyyyyyy silly, no decent conversation, the main people have deserted, again, no back bone, believe me when it comes down to it they are in it for themselves and if you read back through all these posts you will see that.
Oh and no email from Pete!!!! how long does that take? surely before asking for our email addressess he would have had something ready!!!!
So, Ady, i will email you tmw, peace out brother, may the force be with you ;)
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Involved? I have been asked my opinion and my thoughts at great length but I'm nor a director, owner, beneficiary or member.
I have registered and will become a member (providing I pass the exam) one thing I have been privvy to is that I know what's going down and that's why intend to join.
Shaun
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tony Im off for the night ,email tommorow mate ,, tony 20 with what you have posted youve got a cheek
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I used to get on with Simon and who's Victor ?
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aandm
pre conceived ideas kill conversation as quickly as superiority complexes
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That's the trouble with this forum anyone can join and show their ignorance under an assumed identity, some people have umpteen of them, you just don't know who you are talking to anymore.
Shaun
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Colin, the guy is winding you up by just feeding off whatever you post, just ignore him.
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I know Neil, How I miss the mess deck life ;D ;D ;D
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I hope I've annoyed Richard Head ;D
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I know of 2 other trade associations( limo hire and gas fitting) which were just like the NCCA , the enlightened ones planned and staged successful takeover operations.
In each case fresh , capable people got voted onto the boards, and were instrumental in changing the law, dealing with whitehall , getting better regulation and standards for thier respective industries. This was all done on a shoestring budget too. It is a proven system that works ,, breakaway, splinter and different groups , divide and fragment industries.
The NCCA would be very simple to infiltrate and modernize.
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What exam is that then Shaun ?
Who will set the exam? more to the point who will decide if your in ot not ?
Does this mean spending more money on another course ? even though i think ive spent enough in the past, if i want to become a member
iit is all a little confusing to me , infact i wouldnt even know how to register, not seen any thing , yet i see members of ciu are already registering , I must have missed some thing ::)
Geoff
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Geoff
Register your interest on ccdo
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Well , Joe if i can get on to ccdo i would,
apparently no way of retrieving my password ,because my username is wrong .
I try re registring all i get is email all ready in use, any ideas.
geoff
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Very early post on this thread Pete said anyone interested - email him and he give his email address
peter@oakleafcc.co.uk
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Re you forgetting log on details - its a pain isnt it, trying to rmember all the p/wprds or find the piece of paper you put them on ;D
Kev Looms may be able to help you admin@clean-pro.co.uk
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Hope the exam is more of a practical nature, could not believe the amount oral cavities at Wolverhampton a couple of years ago. ;)
Len
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Guys
There will be a a pre-launch get together on the Saturday 6th Feb in Luton. Anyone who is interested can come along and be briefed as to what the plan is. Get in touch if you want to come along.
Pete