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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on January 13, 2010, 10:56:56 pm
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at the moment with the sheer amount of posts about freezing hoses/tanks/pumps and all the faffing about and expense im glad im not!
when i do eventually get a van and a set up i think ill just use it say march-october then revert to trad for the cold winter months!
what do u think guys?do u sometimes think things were simpler and easier before WFP?
REGARDS
DAZMOND
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If I was still doing trad then I still don't think I would be working except for bungalows maybe. Though with recent temps the water would still freeze on glass regardless.
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Daz when you go WFP you'll be saying 'Glad Im not trad' ALL YEAR!
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Matt how was the van in the end?
Did it get repaired?
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dazmond.
Not having a pop
but i think once you change to wfp, tnen your custy's might get confused when you switch back.
i.e custys will start saying "to be honest i prefered it when you worked on ladders; can you just do it the old way"
sorry are you ladders and trad pole alot also?
wfp, is a pain in the ar5e i must admit at times, but it's safer and quicker most of the time.
you can still trad downstairs if you want i do quite a bit of downstais trad, especially at the mo'
dont wat to put too much water on the floor.
the is a terrible winter!
we may not see the likes of this again for 10-20 years.
on the other hand if it happens again next year i think a lot of us including myself (i hope ;D)
wont make the same mistakes twice.
i reccomend backpack and static tank in shed or garage if you've got space or if not have your setup at someone close by.
mines at my parents i have 200gpd system in parents garage, rather than muck about with heaters etc, i just bring ro-system indoors, have 625 ltr tank; fill up lasts 3 days.
plug system back in to run when temps ok. (only do this odd occasion, this yr ro in out all bl00dy time)
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daz i love trad and do wfp as well. but heres how i see it last winter, i was able to work trad when it was frozen temps etc but the ground was clear. but this year i managed back to work today as the ground is still iced up but temps are up so it wasnt a problem, i purposely have a split of trad and wfp work but to be honest the weather beat me this christmas trad or wfp. in fact ground conditions are still saying to me trad is out for next couple of days so i am planning wfp work to survive. so i wouldnt rule out any method
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Hate trad , saw a guy doing it today, downstairs only as the snow and ice was too bad....
i did a full house without effort whilst he did the downstairs... its only water...it dont freeze if you keep it warm...
its the long standing snow and ice on the roads which have been the problem this year.
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Get the gri tout
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forgot to say i just fill up barrels, put in van with backpack, also have freedom trolley.
got backpack 2 months ago and find using more than trolley.
had minor accident in van not my fault; at menders.
got hire van through insurane.
If i had vanmount system would have been buggered.
my setup can be moved out of one van and straight into other.
also barrels can be bought indoors if you had too.
Other thing hire van no roof rack, seems real problem for courtesey vehicles to have roof racks.
still need ladder for some of my jobs,
getting onto flat roofs and over gates, but getting by without it.
Keep it cheap simple uncomplicated, when you changeover daz.
No offence meant you seem to over anaylize wfp.
I am that way about most things ;D and especially when i was changing over to wfp; i asked millions of questions you'd see from my old post; went wfp sept 06.
I still ask millions of questions :D
I do spend quite a bit of time on my system, but this is mainly because it's not at my place.
as it's at parents, so to and thro a bit.
would love to move to bigger place with garden and off street parking.
I use to think having a vanmount systen was be all and end all.
but to be honest i don't think i'd be that much quicker than with backpack.
thanks lee
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you are kidding , i ripped both my backpacks to pieces, .. i hated them lol truly
what can be more simple than dragging a hose from the van turning water on and splish splosh....
some say that backpacks have a use...for awkward houses... ??? whats an awkward house?
and what can be easier than taking that hose round that so called awkward house?
i know that my days of filling a backpack up every house or two.... and humping it around, and 25l containers everywhere.... are one horrible memory.
Gary.
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i wont be going for a backpack.no way!dont fancy humping the containers about!van mount and carbon fibre pole from the start!350/400 lt tank and twin DI s.but i will still use trad on some i expect. ;D ;D
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daz do you not have someone local with a wfp that can let you have a look and a go of it o you can see just how good it is?
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I've had no probs today in the falling snow (-1). I've been using a screenwash mix that'd done the trick and it was fine.
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does your hose not freeze on the floor though?
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thats really good thinking about only using wfp in summer wish iwould have thought of that ha ha ha ha ha ha yes i think iwill get my ladders out and risk my neckin winter plus tell all my customers they will get done wfp in summer and monkey style in winter cant wait to see look on there faces ,still only 3 days behind cos of wether and thats down to it being too bad underfoot , nothing to do with any gear freezing if i was still monkey style iwouldhave lost 3 weeks these monkey style guys love knocking wfp while looking out there window all day and not working .me im off to work wfp safely and nothing frozen
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mallet u must have a very small round if ur only 3 days behind! ;D ;D ;D
im not knocking wfp.just glad ive not had the hassle of it all during the bad weather!stick to the jokes mallet.trying to defend wfp doesnt suit ya! ;) ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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ive managed to work most days this winter using my backpack
i have worked reduced hours each day but i am only just
under a week behind.i have used to use van mount ,but i
find i work quicker both summer and winter with back pack.
all my work is domestic though
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Matt how was the van in the end?
Did it get repaired?
Yes mate.
£130 so far but need to get get a spare wheel and tyre yet.
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you are kidding , i ripped both my backpacks to pieces, .. i hated them lol truly
what can be more simple than dragging a hose from the van turning water on and splish splosh....
some say that backpacks have a use...for awkward houses... ??? whats an awkward house?
and what can be easier than taking that hose round that so called awkward house?
i know that my days of filling a backpack up every house or two.... and humping it around, and 25l containers everywhere.... are one horrible memory.
Gary.
One that is the middle terrace in a row of 12 and the only access is from either end.
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I've had no probs today in the falling snow (-1). I've been using a screenwash mix that'd done the trick and it was fine.
Tim is this the idea from barry80.
1 litre mix in twenty stir well ;)
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i'm glad i'm no longer trad :D
cold hands lugging ladders about,
risk of breaking your neck,
slow
does a poor job,
earn far less
dazmond you stick to cleaning windows the hard way if thats how you like it ???
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You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.
On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.
Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.
In 4 hours, even with low water flow and rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.
Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.
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You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.
On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.
Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.
In 4 hours, even with low water flow and rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.
Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.
You don't know how to price trad than malc ;) You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?
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You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.
On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.
Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.
In 4 hours, even with low water flow and rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.
Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.
You don't know how to price trad than malc ;) You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?
I don't do trad except in extremis macmac - and you can see the difference in the earnings over 4 hrs on similar properties - £75 vs £133. When I was trad in normal non icy conditions I would do about £20/25 ph on these properties - the same stuff wfp in non icy conditions now earns me £40 ph.
No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.
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£40 ph? I wish :'(
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snow every where almost 4 wks now when its warm enough i have been out , wfp only worked 4 days this week so far not a chance been trad starting to catch up nicely
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You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.
On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.
Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.
In 4 hours, even with low water flow and rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.
Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.
You don't know how to price trad than malc ;) You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?
I don't do trad except in extremis macmac - and you can see the difference in the earnings over 4 hrs on similar properties - £75 vs £133. When I was trad in normal non icy conditions I would do about £20/25 ph on these properties - the same stuff wfp in non icy conditions now earns me £40 ph.
No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.
You must be very quick with wfp.
I'd worry about leaving it done properly if I went too fast. You have to do it properly, you can't get away with a mistake like with trad.
Trad I was doing about £20-23 p/h
Wfp I'm more like £25-30 p/h
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£25-30 ph? I wish :'(.... ;D
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I dread to think what trad would bring in now compared to WFP, maybe Ive become too used to earning what is a very very attractive hourly rate by anyones standard.
I am inclined to suggest that Golds hourly rate WFP is perfectly attainable from my own experience and what other polers suggest who are worth listening to.
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I dread to think what trad would bring in now compared to WFP, maybe Ive become too used to earning what is a very very attractive hourly rate by anyones standard.
I am inclined to suggest that Golds hourly rate WFP is perfectly attainable from my own experience and what other polers suggest who are worth listening to.
I don`t doubt it. I`m jealous :'(
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does your hose not freeze on the floor though?
Mine? No, that's the main reason for the screenwash. Used it today because of all the snow/ice still around even though it was 3 degrees (warm-ish)
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ive worked 3 1/2 hours today & not even got my ladders out , managed over a ton.
I wont be doin much trad until this bloody white stuff disappears.
Hopefully same again tomorrow , then atleast got half a week in..
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thats really good thinking about only using wfp in summer wish iwould have thought of that ha ha ha ha ha ha yes i think iwill get my ladders out and risk my neckin winter plus tell all my customers they will get done wfp in summer and monkey style in winter cant wait to see look on there faces ,still only 3 days behind cos of wether and thats down to it being too bad underfoot , nothing to do with any gear freezing if i was still monkey style iwouldhave lost 3 weeks these monkey style guys love knocking wfp while looking out there window all day and not working .me im off to work wfp safely and nothing frozen
Must be grumpy with lack of sleep after working all night and day last 3 weeks :D (only messin, gary :))
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I've had no probs today in the falling snow (-1). I've been using a screenwash mix that'd done the trick and it was fine.
Tim is this the idea from barry80.
1 litre mix in twenty stir well ;)
Yep. Works great.
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i do think some of you are prone to a little of the" wfp is so much better and faster and i make sooo much more money!"blah blah!ill find out myself one day and i WILL tell you the truth!! ;D ;D
some of you have been moaning your skint etc,etc and all the problems u have with wfp!its the expense and hassle that seems to put me off a bit.i laugh sometimes when i hear of the messing about u lot get up to and constantly ordering stuff etc while im taking it easy drying my scrims/microfibres! ;D ;Doh!and changing my squeegy rubber! ;D ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix)
Cheer! ;)
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some of you have been moaning your skin
I havent, but I would have if I was trad still ;D
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No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.
yup, you got it in one - trads got soul just like steam
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i do think some of you are prone to a little of the" wfp is so much better and faster and i make sooo much more money!"blah blah!ill find out myself one day and i WILL tell you the truth!! ;D ;D
some of you have been moaning your skint etc,etc and all the problems u have with wfp!its the expense and hassle that seems to put me off a bit.i laugh sometimes when i hear of the messing about u lot get up to and constantly ordering stuff etc while im taking it easy drying my scrims/microfibres! ;D ;Doh!and changing my squeegy rubber! ;D ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
i sometimes do think the same as that.
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I use both methods, both have got pros and cons. What does my head in though is all these wfp guys slating trad. I have only used ladder since week before christmas due to ice. Wfp is a no no with ice. Trad is do-able just got to be careful and if its dodgy dont do it. Dazmond dont bother with wfp its not worth the hastle.
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You'd be mad to use trad. unless you really have to. Due to the cold I have tradded a bit last week and it was painfully slow compared to wfp.
On Monday, because heavy snow was forecast I wfp'd tops and tradded downstairs and struggled to make £75 in 4 hours - it was awful.
Today, because I know the forecast is for a thaw, I used wfp starting at 12 noon (with a bit of screenwash in the mix) and just put a bit of salt/grit down on a public footpath and splashed a bit of 5:1 screenwash mix from a squeezy bottle on the floor outside the custies doors.
In 4 hours, even with low water flow and rubbing snow/ice off of the hoses and gritting I managed £133.
Tomorrow I plan a full day wfp, but we shall see.
You don't know how to price trad than malc ;) You've cut yourself short by pricing too cheap wfp?
I don't do trad except in extremis macmac - and you can see the difference in the earnings over 4 hrs on similar properties - £75 vs £133. When I was trad in normal non icy conditions I would do about £20/25 ph on these properties - the same stuff wfp in non icy conditions now earns me £40 ph.
No brainer really ... it's like changing from driving steam engines to driving diesels - the tradition isn't there but it's a lot less labour intensive and quicker.
You must be very quick with wfp.
I'd worry about leaving it done properly if I went too fast. You have to do it properly, you can't get away with a mistake like with trad.
Trad I was doing about £20-23 p/h
Wfp I'm more like £25-30 p/h
squeak is that with or without the broken rib.boom boom
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I use both methods ~~~~ dont bother with wfp its not worth the hastle.
I have only used ladder since week before christmas due to ice. ~~~ Wfp is a no no with ice.
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. Wfp is a no no with ice.
Not true...must i remind you again of screenwash? ;-) It's totally liberated me
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I wouldnt be happy leaving water allover my custies paths and doorways, with all the ice and freezing temps ???
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Yep. Works great.
thanks tim
AND THANKS BARRY.
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I wouldnt be happy leaving water allover my custies paths and doorways, with all the ice and freezing temps ???
Just miss out the main entrances. You could even scatter a little bit of rocksalt if you needed to. Wouldn't be that difficult.
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Yep. Works great.
thanks tim
AND THANKS BARRY.
LOL :D :D :D
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at the moment with the sheer amount of posts about freezing hoses/tanks/pumps and all the faffing about and expense im glad im not!
when i do eventually get a van and a set up i think ill just use it say march-october then revert to trad for the cold winter months!
what do u think guys?do u sometimes think things were simpler and easier before WFP?
REGARDS
all my m8s had the same problem this winter, water freezing on the glass, they are trad to, it is best to have both as an option,
DAZMOND
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at the moment with the sheer amount of posts about freezing hoses/tanks/pumps and all the faffing about and expense im glad im not!
when i do eventually get a van and a set up i think ill just use it say march-october then revert to trad for the cold winter months!
what do u think guys?do u sometimes think things were simpler and easier before WFP?
REGARDS
all my m8s had the same problem this winter, water freezing on the glass, they are trad to, it is best to have both as an option,
DAZMOND
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I wouldnt be happy leaving water allover my custies paths and doorways, with all the ice and freezing temps ???
Theres been loads of posts on here mate about sweeping the water away and applying salt to prevent freezing, its real easy.
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Oh play the game, spend loads on wfp and then not use it all year round or above doorways or spend time scattering salt. Wfp sounds great and so much faster
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Oh play the game, spend loads on wfp and then not use it all year round or above doorways or spend time scattering salt. Wfp sounds great and so much faster
Scattering a bit of salt (if needed) is only as much of a pain as having to wipe ledges. I have not had to do it yet. I have just been avoiding the main entrances. I think the customer is already wary of slipping in this weather.
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I'm not saying I do £40 ph all day long wfp anymore than I did £25 all day long on trad.
I was pointing out that on Monday when I went back to trad for the 4 hrs I worked I did £75; yet on the same estate today when able to work wfp I did £133 in the same length of time. These were both in "slow" conditions due to the weather,; it was a direct comparison for me.
This thread started with "Glad I'm not wfp" and a proposal to work spring/summer wfp and go trad in winter. My experience suggests this would be a most unwise move - and that's on speed alone, let alone other ameliorating factors.
With the right precautions (van kept warm overnight) I believe a "cold" wfp operator can work in zero degrees as long as he is prepared to salt or screenwash floors by entranceways. And if you blade the doors you can work in minus 1 or 2.
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Tim. You obviously know what you can earn WFP, safely, and with far less difficulty than WFP.
Contempt prior to investigation. He's his own worse enemy Tim.
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do u sometimes think things were simpler and easier before WFP?
REGARDS
DAZMOND
Honestly, yes i do, but then i remember all the pros and cons and realize that at the end of it all wfp has a lot more pros
Plus, we tend to forget all the bad things when we are being nostalgic. Although trad is a simpler method, it isn't always easy peasy.
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mmmm!i wonder where u got that saying from mr bateman?.CONTEMPT PRIOR TO INVESTIGATION! ;D ;D
big book..................herbert spencer quote! ;D ;D
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Nice to see you taking notice ;)
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without wfp im in everlasting ignorance.............................!! ;D ;D ;D
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I am glad I am wfp, if I had to go up a ladder in this weather i would of quit.
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I am glad I am wfp, if I had to go up a ladder in this weather i would of quit.
You're not safe on a ladder Mr. Morris! ;D
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I know, my shoulder still tells me that.
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Trad I was doing about £20-23 p/h
Wfp I'm more like £25-30 p/h
squeak is that with or without the broken rib.boom boom
Both, and RSI in my shoulder which is much more painful! :o ;D