Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: d.ward on January 10, 2010, 01:24:05 pm
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For those companies with more than one van do you have an industrial unit with office etc ..
If so how many sq.ft have you got and how much is your rent per sq.ft
Thinking of getting one later this year so ive got my own office and somewhere to fill vans and store them for my expansion plans
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shop around i was in crawley and littlehampton last week
agents offering rent free incentives for doing a deal
with whats going on in the uk
prices are dropping as there are thousands of empty units about
when you take into account business rates water elec rent heating etc etc
a unit capable of storing 2 -3 vans is still going to cost you depending on location 500 plus a month may be more dependant on location
and to get a good deal you may need to be tied in for a while
its a big outlay
ive found try the local farmers in my area often let out outbuilding good deals usually
ive seen them round here for 50 to 60 quid a week
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What ever they want offer much less, time for bardball:I am an Ex agent.
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400 square feet £2000 pa + vat ;D
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I have a unit at the moment 1000 sq /f
It costs me 6k a year and i have been tied in for three years
thats plus rates and other bills
if you go down this route also be aware of the other hidden costs like ground mantainance , thats another £120 per quarter
I am at present trying to get out of the last 6 months of my lease as it is now starting to hurt
Think long and hard before signing up
Andy
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You may want to edit that post richy as it does not sound very good m8
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Go and find a local farmer
They always have spare units and want to make money. Mine is an old farm shed £300.00 per month.
Rob ;D
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I would intersted in more info too as I have the same plans, I have two vans and if i end up getting another one in the near future then I think it would be best all round to have the business seprate from the home.
I suppose it would be best to find one without a water meter!!
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Rob
what do you get for your £300?
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Not pretty to look at my unit but parking on the ground floor for 4 vans, a helluva lot of equipment round the edges and then up a set of steps a large office space that I put in, a gym area and water production area (4 x IBC tanks) and then a load of storage space.
It is basically storage. One thing I finished yesterday because there is no way I can heat it all (too big and the odd hole) is a warm room, insulated to keep all subceptible gear in and then stick an oil rad in there to keep it de frosted. I have a caravan parked outside, I leave my trailer all over the yard and can park vans wherever.
Electric is on top but only about 20 every other month. I have an un metered water supply. also it is only half a mile from my house and I can come and go at any hour. Roller shutter door with dead bolts.
Rob ;D
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keep it goin n stick a load of cannabis plants in there like the asians do make ya self a fortune!!!! ;D ;D ;D
ritchy any chance of u taking ,ma lad out showing him wfp jus brought a tank need rest ov gear cheers gav
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Sounds Ideal Rob I think I will be going down the farmer route I was hoping to get one in a big housing estate or on a busy road so that I could put a big sign up for more advertizing but I think these units are out of my budget at the mo!
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Not pretty to look at my unit but parking on the ground floor for 4 vans, a helluva lot of equipment round the edges and then up a set of steps a large office space that I put in, a gym area and water production area (4 x IBC tanks) and then a load of storage space.
It is basically storage. One thing I finished yesterday because there is no way I can heat it all (too big and the odd hole) is a warm room, insulated to keep all subceptible gear in and then stick an oil rad in there to keep it de frosted. I have a caravan parked outside, I leave my trailer all over the yard and can park vans wherever.
Electric is on top but only about 20 every other month. I have an un metered water supply. also it is only half a mile from my house and I can come and go at any hour. Roller shutter door with dead bolts.
Rob ;D
You get 4 vans inside rob ?
How big is your storage ?
mine unit works out at £191 a month plus rates plus water/electric ect which I thought was quite good going.
Can get 2 vans in at a push has seperate office, toilets and kitchen. Every man and there dog wants a cheap unit, I need to learn how to look as I want a larger unit at the end of the summer.. Your tips are welcomed
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You may want to edit that post richy as it does not sound very good m8
I won't quote Richy'as post in case he wants to delete it but I suppose ytou could grpow other stuff in there if you have spare room. Play it right and you might not need to buy any veg all year.
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You may want to edit that post richy as it does not sound very good m8
I won't quote Richy'as post in case he wants to delete it but I suppose ytou could grpow other stuff in there if you have spare room. Play it right and you might not need to buy any veg all year.
You have already quoted his post above lol, you too may want to edit that ;)
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I'd love a big fancy unit that was an advertiment in itself but |I dont want to pay rates and a big fancy bill, no one ever comes to the unit. As I said it is quite ugly my unit and you would never think that there is anything of value behind the door.
I don't care what people think of it because it serves a very good purpose and I have mail delivered there a proper trading address, their is a phone line in place and I have web access up there.
Don't pay for something you don't need!!
Rob ;D
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keep it goin n stick a load of cannabis plants in there like the asians do make ya self a fortune!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Is it just Asian people then that are drug dealers and suppliers?
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I agree Rob sorry to be nosey what do think your total spend is on the unit per month?
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I would love a unit that was heated free, held 10 vans, rates of £100 a month, not going to happen, and understand the dont get bigger than you need as rates are based on size I found that out by default..
But how did you find your unit Rob, mine came from an commercial estate agent as I could not see anything in the papers in the area unit is in, Yours at £300 a month IMP is cheap if you are storing 4 vans in there and is duplex, are your paying rates included as my rates are near enough half your rent a year.
Ian
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the farmer pays the rates
:o
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One thing to look at is the security it needs to be pikey proof the isurance may want redcare or something similar
when I had a lock up for my building company I was rammed thro the shutters had bars cut out the windows hole cut in the roof had a hole cut thro a steel container and a few more over a 3 year period
it's costly
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Any area will have farmers who are already renting out their outbuildings - Just a case of finding one!!
There is 24 hr camera recording on the farm!
Rob ;D
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my unit is in a nice secure place loadsa camera think the landlord spent £100,000 on security loadsa gates shames my unit is next to a gypo that sells vans from there!!!
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to all concerned about my last post it was tongue in cheek a joke because he said he cudnt afford it no more and various cannabis farms have been found in industrial units!!!
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at the other end of the scale ive fot a big shed at the bottom of the garden spit it into store and office its insulated -alarmed back to the house -got phone water electric all down there
its got everything i need
and the accountant gets a % back
just have to leave van and truck on drive
no rates no rent
and i can hide from the misses
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You may want to edit that post richy as it does not sound very good m8
I won't quote Richy'as post in case he wants to delete it but I suppose ytou could grpow other stuff in there if you have spare room. Play it right and you might not need to buy any veg all year.
You have already quoted his post above lol, you too may want to edit that ;)
No I haven't. I quoted your post
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keep it goin n stick a load of cannabis plants in there like the asians do make ya self a fortune!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Is it just Asian people then that are drug dealers and suppliers?
;D ;D ;D
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i am looking for 1 soon, for another project i have in the pipeline, needed be big, last time i looked they were silly money though ( but i guess what with the downturn and loads of empty units i might be lucky )
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keep it goin n stick a load of cannabis plants in there like the asians do make ya self a fortune!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Is it just Asian people then that are drug dealers and suppliers?
;D ;D ;D
do you think the asians look like these smiley faces ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D when there moneys rolls in!!!
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thanks for the replys didnt think it would be this popular....
Im going to speak to a few people tomoorw about viewing some units ..
to keep 3 vans, have an office and toilet in a unit how many square feet would i need?
Not dealt with sq.ft before so i dont really know how to scale it
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best to take a look at a few in varying size and price
what your man said earlier
what they want for the lease and what they get are 2 different things the current market is on your side
try to tie yourself in on a short lease with a option to extend at the same rate
try for initial rent free period
watch the business rates especially when they go up in april i hear there is going to be some large hikes
good luck happy hunting
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D Ward
In answer to your question on size required, around 1200sqft which should include at least one office, toilet &kitchen area. A round here prices are £4.5k to £5.5 for that sort, but, you need to allow for rates which is approx 50% o annual fee (This can be halved with local council small business reduction if it applies)
I have 750sqft, in mine i have locker area, storage area, various equipment, sink with coing & tea making facilites, washer & tumble dryer. A 3500 static tank &ro. Pressure washers, storage cupboard & portable system. Work bench, tools & spares, these are all on outside wall & finally we can fit 2 vans in.
So as you can see you can fit a lot in a small unit, mine is£300 per month & all bills. But its a faily new modern pupose built one on an estate.
I have also seen Robs unit & that is more than twice the size of mine, & exceptional good value & is very good unit. Take Robs advice & approach farmers etc as you do get a very ood deal
Gary
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great advice and thanks for the help.
Im going to hopefullly view some units soon then il take my time and push for a good deal.
Il let you know how i do
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D Ward
In answer to your question on size required, around 1200sqft which should include at least one office, toilet &kitchen area. A round here prices are £4.5k to £5.5 for that sort, but, you need to allow for rates which is approx 50% o annual fee (This can be halved with local council small business reduction if it applies)
I have 750sqft, in mine i have locker area, storage area, various equipment, sink with coing & tea making facilites, washer & tumble dryer. A 3500 static tank &ro. Pressure washers, storage cupboard & portable system. Work bench, tools & spares, these are all on outside wall & finally we can fit 2 vans in.
So as you can see you can fit a lot in a small unit, mine is£300 per month & all bills. But its a faily new modern pupose built one on an estate.
I have also seen Robs unit & that is more than twice the size of mine, & exceptional good value & is very good unit. Take Robs advice & approach farmers etc as you do get a very ood deal
Gary
Gary what area are you in ?
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Gary is from Gayland.
Down on Gay boy street - Cannock way - do you know ive been over there a few times and I haven't got a clue. I need to get off the dependancy on my sat nav ;D
Rob ;D
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I need to add that Gary is not gay - it is just where he lives and also I have no problem with people who want to be gay. Just not my cup of tea!!! ;D
Rob ;D
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Cheers for that Rob, glad you added the second txt.
Windowwashers we are in Cannock, midlands.
The main reason for this one is its central location, easy access to all major routes & 5 minutes from my house. We are on the A5, at the end of toll road, next to the a34 & less than 3 minutes to M6.
Gary
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I LOVE YOU ;D
Rob ;D
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Oooh ta.
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Will you 2 get a room, or unit ;D
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In a previous life I have rented on a cash in hand basis on a six monthly basis; once on a 12 year lease but negotiated at the start being able to walk away at 4 years. And once on a three year basis.
Sometimes what you get offered is a cheap deal in year one with an unspecified rent review in year two/three and they'll want you to sign up for years.
Refuse and offer, say one year's commitment tops and be careful of having to maintain the insides to an "acceptable standard" when you leave. Check rates, leccy and water.
An informal "farmer" arrangement sounds good to me.
It is easy to get sucked into being a "Businessman/Director" We were turning over 25K a month, but after rent, vehicles and wages we (Mrs Gold and me) were working long hours for a pittance and paying employees more than we were getting.