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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: barry80 on January 09, 2010, 05:05:59 pm
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Hi guys, Ive been in this business since 1985 window cleaning. This winter is a tuff one, Ive invented a Idea for cleaning in the freezing temps no matter how low the temps are, what you need is back pack keep it in a warm shed garage or in your home if your wife will let you ha ha. I keep mine in the outside boiler room, also with my buckets poles etc and lots of 25lt containers, also I keep my di ro vessel in there also. I let my wife make my water in the day time when I am at work via the outside tap. If you do this remember to disconect the di ro vessel at the end of the day, to keep it inside the warm over night. I then conect the di ro up again to make more water ect while I am at work I keep my di ro near a outside tap in a small garden tidy I purchased at argos for £50.00 when my pure water is in the 25lt containers I empty a little of each into my backpack of each, Then I top them up with car screen wash in the 25lt containers about a litre each car screen wash each container. I then put a little in my backpack also. I then stir it well with a stick in each container, real well etc ....I then put my tds meter for a reading in my containers... it always comes back on a reading between 0 and 3 which is fine. Then when you clean with your pole the windows clean without any freezing at all. But they take a little longer to dry thats all. I cleaned all my house windows and they all dried in 2 hours with no spots at all. I even clean when it is snowing at work and it still works. ;) barry
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What type of screen wash are you using? Everything I've tested increases the TDS loads!
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Same reply as Nathan on this.
Whats the name of the screen wash.
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screen wash eh? :o
do tell 8)
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Hi guys, Ive been in this business since 1985 window cleaning. This winter is a tuff one, Ive invented a Idea for cleaning in the freezing temps no matter how low the temps are, what you need is back pack keep it in a warm shed garage or in your home if your wife will let you ha ha. I keep mine in the outside boiler room, also with my buckets poles etc and lots of 25lt containers, also I keep my di ro vessel in there also. I let my wife make my water in the day time when I am at work via the outside tap. If you do this remember to disconect the di ro vessel at the end of the day, to keep it inside the warm over night. I then conect the di ro up again to make more water ect while I am at work I keep my di ro near a outside tap in a small garden tidy I purchased at argos for £50.00 when my pure water is in the 25lt containers I empty a little of each into my backpack of each, Then I top them up with car screen wash in the 25lt containers about a litre each car screen wash each container. I then put a little in my backpack also. I then stir it well with a stick in each container, real well etc ....I then put my tds meter for a reading in my containers... it always comes back on a reading between 0 and 3 which is fine. Then when you clean with your pole the windows clean without any freezing at all. But they take a little longer to dry thats all. I cleaned all my house windows and they all dried in 2 hours with no spots at all. I even clean when it is snowing at work and it still works. ;) barry
hi i didnt think you would be able to put anythin in the water as this would make it unpure,does it dry streak free and does the water bubbles evaporate as they should,we use a 400 litre ionics 6 and that system has been freezin up on the smaller tubes etc????didnt think screenwash would work,think i may just wait til it gets warmer ;))
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surely isopropanol works the same although it is a lot more expensive than screenwash it all depends how much is needed to be added
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I think Barry should be encouraged for finding a solution to his problem, :)Good on you Barry, simple innovative thought.
It is a bit of a zoo on here sometimes, so many too eager anyone to shoot anyone down if they are not part of the "club"
This terrible winter has certainly got everyone thinking and talking how to carry on and most have given up ( I got an L5 lukewarm heater 8) but what can the rest of us do ? ) Barry has said he gets no spots so I got some Car Plan Screenwash - ready mixed by Tetrosyl.com and actually mixed it to his instructions, Try it !
Even if the stuff you use has a high tds you could always blade the glass afterwards. I have been blading most of my ground work this last week anyway as I didnt want to give the custards a chance to sack me (assuming they are in as bad a mood as us) , it only takes you 3min-ish and may allow you to carry on and earn.
Barry well done, your the man. 8)
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well first of all any car screen wash works, aslong as its concentrated and you mix it well with a stick Ive just been out and cleaned my house windows this morn whilst it was snowing. my tds came out at 3 again aslong as you mix well you need 1lt of car screenwash to 20lt of pure water . just remember mix well. I just wash the windows and there is no {need to blade off} just leave to dry on there own it does not effect the pure water......hope this helps.... :) p.s carplan screen wash is what i use about £3 for 2.5lt hope this helps. barry
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my windows are now dry with no spots what so ever... ;)
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sorry forgot to mention I dont get streaks either, just clean clear A1 finished glass with superb results. barry
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Well down Barry. Its time some started to find solutions and not shooting down everything in flames. I agree with Jeff. Its takes not brains to shoot down and criticize everything. its takes brains to find a solution. Go Barry go!!!!
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One small point If you get a TDS reading that says more that it should it does not miscarry mean these will be residual on the glass The resolute might be a in a solution and be able to slide off the glass or even not show on the glass. Screen water has some sort of alcohol base that stops it freezing and evaporates when its left on the glass. GO Barry ! Go Barry!! Go Barry !!!!
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Barry, while your here,
its a weak dilution rate any guesses as to what temp it will protect down to ?
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I would say about 20 to 30 below, but you would need to put more screen wash in to protect from freezing on glass, say 2lt screen wash to 20lt of water, but remember mix well with a stick. screen wash works in cars in cold countrys like switzerland and russia. So no problem anyhow I dont think in uk we would realy get as low as much as say 10......so hey guys ! Dont worry, do what I do at work with this system ... and carry on regardless... happy window cleaning :) also remember wrap up well clothing etc.... ;)....barry
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i am a very open minded person, and welcome any good idea, screenwash is nothing new, and has been used by thousands of trad guys, and it is squeegeed of, hence no spotting, wfp is left to dry, remember that, i am 100% certain it does leave a film on the glass, it may get us by the freezing conditions, but i would not like to re first clean all over again after the thaw out, this is just my experience, but i could be wrong
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well I use it with wfp with no spotting at all......just trying to help you guys to get through this winter thats all...barry
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Re: useing wfp in any cold conditions that works.
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One small point If you get a TDS reading that says more that it should it does not miscarry mean these will be residual on the glass The resolute might be a in a solution and be able to slide off the glass or even not show on the glass. Screen water has some sort of alcohol base that stops it freezing and evaporates when its left on the glass. GO Barry ! Go Barry!! Go Barry !!!! ......Yes it evaporates just the same...barry :)
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barry, am not shooting your idea down, just approching it with caution, wfp cleaners have tried it, and posted that it did not work well in posts before years ago, unless the screenwash has vastly improved since then, apparanly when the sun shines directly on the glass, it shows up
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good stuff,what is the best way to get it inside the tank guys??any ideas as the tank we use there is no holes in the top ;((
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barry, am not shooting your idea down, just approching it with caution, wfp cleaners have tried it, and posted that it did not work well in posts before years ago, unless the screenwash has vastly improved since then, apparanly when the sun shines directly on the glass, it shows up
true but dont you think its better to try and work than no work at all ? barry :)
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I don`t think it will work at -30, even mixed with a stick :). Don`t forget Barry keeps his water indoors too.
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barry, am not shooting your idea down, just approching it with caution, wfp cleaners have tried it, and posted that it did not work well in posts before years ago, unless the screenwash has vastly improved since then, apparanly when the sun shines directly on the glass, it shows up
when the sun shines on my house windows where I live, after Ive done this they look fab... :) barry
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I don`t think it will work at -30, even mixed with a stick :). Don`t forget Barry keeps his water indoors too.
dont try to knock it ..try it first like I said before I am only trying to help ...Barry
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I`m not knocking it but most screenwash would freeze at the temperatures you mentioned.
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We only need water that wont freeze in the hose and jets to keep us wfpers working, a small dilution should protect as it cannot evaporate. Its a minimalist approach, well done Barry, ignore the Knockers, I at least have tried it.
Go Barry go. 8)
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I don`t think anyone has knocked him :-\. Just raised a few questions.
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Thanks for sharing, barry, I'm gonna try this this mornin
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Hi,
Quick Question. Is this not going to ruin your resin/filters?#
Also I'm in Aberdeenshire we were down to -22 last week. Screen wash freezes believe me.
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May well do, but use it afterwards in a backpack or trolley.
-22 ah well thats hell, theres a BUT I just noticed on the label-
"All Seasons Ready Mixed Screenwash can also offer winter protection to -5C to help the washer bottle contents from freezing "
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Surely Barry`s biggest advantage is keeping the water in the boiler room; the screenwash may help prevent freezing whilst he`s out working but it`s not the main reason.
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SUCCESS!!!!
I tried Barry's idea with my trolley system this morning to clean my own windows (it had been in my estate boot over a week and was all frozen up - pole, hose and all.) Didn't take long to defrost my system. The water on the window frothed up at first but then settled, and the droplets on the window looked just like normal from outside (and inside).
My windows have mostly dried now and dried spotless!
The first container of water was hot and the second cold - but I stress that the last lot of water was stone cold coming out so it wasn't just the hot water stopping it freezing as the hose was lying in snow as I was messing about.
Might not stop it freezing at -22 but who'd be working in that anyway? -5 will be fine for me tomorrow.
I think I'll put hot water in my container for the first container of the day tomorrow, then refill with cold.
Got a few 2.5 litre concentrated screenwash bottles from Asda, Asda's own brand (as Tesco was sold out) for £1 each. Bargain!
Thanks again Barry!
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PS. My resin isn't fresh either.
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I have quite a few systems. It used to cost me £500 a month in resin (too much), till I got a R.O machine now about £500 for 6 months. Dont fancy chancing it cause if I have to refresh all my resin now I'll be up poop creek.
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i currently use 50ml of isoprpanol per 25ltrs of water and can work in -4 i paid £18.00 with p &p of ebay that was last jan when i bought it should last me all winter could possibly use more surely this is more cost effective than screenwash , i do miss out connys and porches though just to safe
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SUCCESS!!!!
I tried Barry's idea with my trolley system this morning to clean my own windows (it had been in my estate boot over a week and was all frozen up - pole, hose and all.) Didn't take long to defrost my system. The water on the window frothed up at first but then settled, and the droplets on the window looked just like normal from outside (and inside).
My windows have mostly dried now and dried spotless! your very welcome...barry
The first container of water was hot and the second cold - but I stress that the last lot of water was stone cold coming out so it wasn't just the hot water stopping it freezing as the hose was lying in snow as I was messing about.
Might not stop it freezing at -22 but who'd be working in that anyway? -5 will be fine for me tomorrow.
I think I'll put hot water in my container for the first container of the day tomorrow, then refill with cold.
Got a few 2.5 litre concentrated screenwash bottles from Asda, Asda's own brand (as Tesco was sold out) for £1 each. Barg
Thanks again Barry!
your very welcome tim....barry
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i currently use 50ml of isoprpanol per 25ltrs of water and can work in -4 i paid £18.00 with p &p of ebay that was last jan when i bought it should last me all winter could possibly use more surely this is more cost effective than screenwash , i do miss out connys and porches though just to safe
That'd be good for a big tank, might try that one day
Prowindow,how many litres of isopropanol did you get for 18 quid please? And is only 50ml per 25litres of water DEFINITELY enough? If it's cheaper than 2.5 litres of concentrated screenwash for £1 then that would be cool.
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I have tried isopropanol its no good it freezes, I was useing it last christmas eve 2009 and it froze solid ice on a custies windows. So that's why I use screenwash instead. :) barry
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Sorry Pro...50ml in 25litres...just not possible ....sorry that defeats physics..
Cheers
Dave.
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I have tried isopropanol its no good it freezes, I was useing it last christmas eve 2009 and it froze solid ice on a custies windows. So that's why I use screenwash instead. :) barry
Advice noted thanks Barry, you're still da man!
Pingu - Do you think he means 500ml rather than 50ml?
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defeats physics
:D :D :D
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sorry about the delayed reply me and pingu have had this debate before maybe i have just been lucky but it has worked for me 50ml in every 25 ltr container i know pingu has tried and tested isopropanol without sucess it's all trial and error , But when i have stored water over night it has not froze in garage even when the temp has dropped to -7 with iso in continers
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sorry about the delayed reply me and pingu have had this debate before maybe i have just been lucky but it has worked for me 50ml in every 25 ltr container i know pingu has tried and tested isopropanol without sucess it's all trial and error , But when i have stored water over night it has not froze in garage even when the temp has dropped to -7 with iso in continers
Well if that works for you then that's great!
Barry's screenwash method has helped me loads last couple of days loads of snow around, but no probs at all.
I know it seems strange but the water even felt a bit warm when coming out?? Maybe it's just staying at room temperature because it's unable to freeze(??)