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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ronnie paton on January 07, 2010, 10:20:28 pm
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so lets see whats the most imprtant thing to us.
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Profits!!
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All of the above ???
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Same here
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in my eyes i would rather have a large turnover with less staff which inturn should create bigger profits.
i think i make good profits because my prices are good so i need less staff thanmaybe a lot of businesses with a simalar tunover.
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job statifcation ;) ;)
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ye and money goes a long way to doing that :)
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iam not materialistic,so money doesnt come into it. sorry mate
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You need health to live, but you don't live to be healthy.
;)
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i opening admit i am, i had nothing when i was younger and i used that and people who thought i would come to nothing to achieve what iv achieved.
i love nice cars a nice home a gorgeous women and expensive clothes.
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ronnie take all that money away from you,what sort of person would you be now.???????????????
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i dont know, the truth is money makes the world go round.
to much can ruin people but to little is not a nice place(iv been there) i wouldnt want to be in that place.
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woud lke to see people actually commenting has well has voting please :)
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i dont know, the truth is money makes the world go round.
to much can ruin people but to little is not a nice place(iv been there) i wouldnt want to be in that place.
sorry ronnie you lost the plot.
money does not make the world go around,
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im in that place at the mo....defo not good. debts bills more debts...no money comeing in....past overdraft...god help me
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how many blokes you got working for you then ronnie??
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Do you hate money MSTAV? ;D
at the moo no
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fanky take a step back, saying iv lost the plot is something you cant really comment on you dont know me or my life.
but without money would you have a house or a car be able to have nice holidays???
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most important thing is happyness and fulfilment, feeling as good coming home from work as happy as you went regardless of how much money you make.
if a job can make you feel that way then you know your on the right road
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how many blokes you got working for you then ronnie??
two.......to many ;D
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fanky take a step back, saying iv lost the plot is something you cant really comment on you dont know me or my life.
but without money would you have a house or a car be able to have nice holidays???
money does not make the world go around trust me.(gravity does)
so that was a silly statement m8.
has i said before iam not Materialistic.google it
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hapyness is important to every one surely but its what makes them happy that differs.
Im really wanting to know what is important to thier busines.
im trying to grow my business so its something that can look aftr me in time and y hard work and stressful days will be worth it. hopefully my family will have a better life i had my kids will have a fund for uni have holidays and a nice house. An hopefully i can afford to pay my for a solicitor for my continued contact battles.
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woud lke to see people actually commenting has well has voting please :)
I think business should at its core be about profit
otherwise why bother
Turnover is vanity and all that
However i personally chose this (not being big headed but i like 100% on here can do what my customers might deem a "proper" job, in management or etc for some international firm, slogging your ass off for some boss who wants blood for 40 k a year before the tax man takes it all) But i got sick of the rat race before it even started ive always hated school and college despite being academically very good i got a 's in everything but hated it
I wanted freedom and wc gave me that , years on now ok its monotonous but i like my life i can work at my own pace do things when i want etc and although i chose to work hard i dont begrudge 99% because its my choice
So i would say my business affords me not only profits which are getting there and by end of this year i will have met my first major goal of getting to vat limit
But mainly gives me a stress free life (when it stops snowing)
I dont think im materialistic but who doesnt want a new car and a nice home for the family and enough money to enjoy life and go away now and again!!
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fanky take a step back, saying iv lost the plot is something you cant really comment on you dont know me or my life.
but without money would you have a house or a car be able to have nice holidays???
money does not make the world go around trust me.(gravity does)
so that was a silly statement m8.
has i said before iam not Materialistic.google it
look franky if you cant make aproper comment leave my topic alone.
my opinions are that
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woud lke to see people actually commenting has well has voting please :)
I think business should at its core be about profit
otherwise why bother
Turnover is vanity and all that
However i personally chose this (not being big headed but i like 100% on here can do what my customers might deem a "proper" job, in management or etc for some international firm, slogging your ass off for some boss who wants blood for 40 k a year before the tax man takes it all) But i got sick of the rat race before it even started ive always hated school and college despite being academically very good i got a 's in everything but hated it
I wanted freedom and wc gave me that , years on now ok its monotonous but i like my life i can work at my own pace do things when i want etc and although i chose to work hard i dont begrudge 99% because its my choice
So i would say my business affords me not only profits which are getting there and by end of this year i will have met my first major goal of getting to vat limit
But mainly gives me a stress free life (when it stops snowing)
I dont think im materialistic but who doesnt want a new car and a nice home for the family and enough money to enjoy life and go away now and again!!
sean a refreshng post, glad things are goin well.
i can admit i love nice hings they make me happy along with my family but thats just me.
otheewise i would work 2-3 days a week on my own and live ok.......but iok is not good enough for me
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Conscienciousness, honesty, reliability and contentment are what I consider important. If you have all of these, your business will prosper. :)
John.
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ronnie how long have you been window cleaning ?
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Conscienciousness, honesty, reliability and contentment are what I consider important. If you have all of these, your business will prosper. :)
John.
Possibly but only if its makes more than it spends :)
I know what you mean though
But i bet dis honest business men succeed too
It all depens on what your values are
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running my business just over 4 years ste. but learnt clean windows when about 13
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Ewan, not for me it isn't No good having a business with loads of custies, and no money, you might want to refrase that
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ronnie
you been to work this week?
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ye sean monday and wed but not full days, its doing my head in now to be honest its getting me de motivated
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profits!
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tell me about it mate
going out doing some small units and shops tommorow local
keep saying to myself im being lazy but when i try drive anyway its soo bad
im constantly diggin out the car and sliding round bends
had a few near missis and just have to keep telling myself it wil be over soon and then start again
But its hard watching savings go down
Im moving this month too and ive had to pay 6 months rent up front as i dont have enough books to prove income
really need this stuff to thaw!!!!
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No mate, Ronnie was asking what's important to your business, not do you think what is business about. I think I know what you mean, but business isn't about creating custies, the same as opening a business isn't about providing jobs, it's about making money. Ask Richard Branson. He isn't in Business to help people earn money or have a better life, he's in business to earn money.
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Then I must be the only one or in the minority who gets bored of just going out and making money.
yep
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gone VAT registered last month as well aaarrrggghh
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Must be, doesn't bore me mate
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i can admit i love nice hings they make me happy along with mfy family but thats just me.
otheewise i would work 2-3 days a week on my own and live ok.......but iok is not good enough for me
Ronnie, all the things you say that make you happy are external to you and if these made people happy, then rich people wouldn't commit suicide would they.
But they still do.
I recently read about a study of lottery winners and it was found that they were just as happy or miserable after they won their millions than they were prior to having to money. Its recognised that being happy is genetic; each of us are born with a level of happiness and some people have higher or lower thresholds than others; but that level isn't fixed and studies have shown that material stuff in the long term don't make people happier. For example people live in beautiful houses and become blind to it all.
There's no point to this dribble I'm typing really; however if you find external stuff stops working for you, then maybe you should take a peek on the inside.
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tosh not all, my family make me happier than anything and providingfor them is vital, surely we al want the best for our kids??
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I was afraid to post summat like that Tosh, would give the impression I was all hippy ;D ;D Know what you mean though. Rich (Very rich ) bloke told me once, get happy, then go and get what you want, you have to be happy fist. I'm not rich or clever, but if a bloke has what I want, then the chances are, he knows more about it than I do, if I'm not where he is, if you know what I mean.
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i can admit i love nice hings they make me happy along with mfy family but thats just me.
otheewise i would work 2-3 days a week on my own and live ok.......but iok is not good enough for me
Ronnie, all the things you say that make you happy are external to you and if these made people happy, then rich people wouldn't commit suicide would they.
But they still do.
I recently read about a study of lottery winners and it was found that they were just as happy or miserable after they won their millions than they were prior to having to money. Its recognised that being happy is genetic; each of us are born with a level of happiness and some people have higher or lower thresholds than others; but that level isn't fixed and studies have shown that material stuff in the long term don't make people happier. For example people live in beautiful houses and become blind to it all.
There's no point to this dribble I'm typing really; however if you find external stuff stops working for you, then maybe you should take a peek on the inside.
a very good statement.
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I aint having a go Ronnie as I think me and you can do without it, but after 4 years you must have a good idea where you want to take your business and what are the most important aspects of it
for me I suppose it would to fill my books with just domestic and drop the commercial, I know that may sound crazy to some but for me its all about customer relationship and domestic for me is the more loyal.
I have just dumped a £200 a month commercial job ( 4 hours work ) because I wasn't happy doing it because the bloke I subed the work off was spineless so in December I told them I wasn't doing it anymore.
of course turnover is very important but for me a happy run business can still be successful
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tosh not all, my family make me happier than anything and providingfor them is vital, surely we al want the best for our kids??
The latest pair of Nike trainers isn't always the best for our brats; though they'll disagree strongly. ;D
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we are all different and i guess if we wasnt life would be boring.
im 30 years old and i guess ill learn and become wiser but i guess the last years have been my happest of my life maye its a coincidense(cant spell most words so wont try now ;D) thats its while iv been doing extremly well business wise, which means making more profit.
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tosh not all, my family make me happier than anything and providingfor them is vital, surely we al want the best for our kids??
The latest pair of Nike trainers isn't always the best for our brats; though they'll disagree strongly. ;D
i as thinking ore like gucci Y3 or D & G ;D
i do understand but i do like to give my kids the best, i guess that comes from having very little when a kid.
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Must be, doesn't bore me mate
I prefer the challenged, building something not always successfully. Sometimes you make money sometimes you lose money, but the money for me is not the important part.
Well what you don't really need Ewan, my address is on my website.
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tosh not all, my family make me happier than anything and providingfor them is vital, surely we al want the best for our kids??
The latest pair of Nike trainers isn't always the best for our brats; though they'll disagree strongly. ;D
i as thinking ore like gucci Y3 or D & G ;D
i do understand but i do like to give my kids the best, i guess that comes from having very little when a kid.
its not always the answer ronnie. I was spoilt as a kid, had what i wanted and turned out to be a real arse! came back to earth with a bump and built up from scratch after being labeled a bum etc.
I spoil my kids but only to a certain degree. when they are old enough they will be rewarded for their efforts, not just given to
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my kids will be street wise just lie me the difference being the will hae an happier upbring which willinvolve having nice cloths an holidays ect but the time will come when only chores round the house wil make them get .
i had three paper round worked in a chippy 3 evenings baby sat regular at the age of 12
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and people who thought i would come to nothing to achieve what iv achieved.
i love nice cars a nice home a gorgeous women and expensive clothes.
Ronnie, sorry to pick on you (but my ego is forcing me on ;D), but these people who thought you would come to nothing that you mentioned, do you really think they care what you've done? Do you really think you're so important that they're turning bitter with envy at your self perceived success?
Or, are these people - from the distant past - still controlling your thoughts and actions today?
Just a thought!
Right, I'm off to do some meditating; the hippy git I am. I'm planning to be fully Enlightened by about March; it's my New Years Resolution. ;D
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profit and as less stress as poss
Im happy with a nice local residential round for me to work 2 or 3 days a week and another van to do the commercial
All though residential window cleaning is a nice regular income if you have an injury or something happens where i cant work for a while its possible to loose the lot, if you have 2 or 3 vans running you will still have an income and someone to cover your residential work
I dont want to be rich as some have said it can make you miserable just comfortable but secure having covered most bases
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A good turnover and decent profit versus not too much time spent working is my ideal.
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At the end of the day, we are all out to make a decent profit. However along with that I want to grow a business that has a good reputation within the area and is ultimatley sellable at the end of the day.............................if you have £300K available for a sellable business please contact me on the details below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't see any point in doing business apart from making profit.
The rest is just vanity.
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it is true what tosh has said about happiness being an internal state of mind rather than produced by belongings however we are talking about what we want for our businesses and surely that is success although money isnt the cause of happiness neither is want.. So wanting to have a nice house and to send your kids to university is no harm. The only time money is going to be a hindrance to your happiness is if you neglect family for it or yot are deceitful and unnecessarily ruthless in your business dealings..
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The most important thing for me is my business name. Getting the brand known locally means more business and in turn more profits.
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fanky take a step back, saying iv lost the plot is something you cant really comment on you dont know me or my life.
but without money would you have a house or a car be able to have nice holidays???
money does not make the world go around trust me.(gravity does)
so that was a silly statement m8.
has i said before iam not Materialistic.google it
look franky if you cant make aproper comment leave my topic alone.
my opinions are that
yes ronnie you have your opinions but also i have my opinion.and if i want to express it on this forum then that what i will do.thats why you post on here to get other peoples opinions.
and i wont be told by a jack ass not to.
so if you dont like what me or anybody else has to say then dont post.
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Ronnie...i know where you are coming from mate.
When you have to struggle as a kid and are feeling constantly kicked down by your peers then that is a motivation to go out there and get what you can...and good on you for that mate.
I work for profits and sustainability of my business.I would like to be able to use the profits in the future to invest in other business/s....kinda like Ewan,i get a kick out of building the business.
We all want best for our kids,even those that cant manage to give it,but to give it we need to earn those pennies and increase our turnover/profits.How you do that is down to what you see for your future and how you motivate yourself to do it.
AND IN THIS BLOODY WEATHER WE SURE NEED SOME MOTIVATION.... :'(
Tosh is now a little fat buddah who likes to enlighten others due his his new venture into religion....bless him,he's trying hard.... ;D
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frank do you know me?......well let me tell you im no jack ass but a guarentee that you are.
now if you have nothing constructive post on anthre topic not mine you fool.
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Tosh is now a little fat buddah who likes to enlighten others due his his new venture into religion....bless him,he's trying hard.... ;D
Thank you; a bit less of the 'fat' though. I'm about 10 pounds overweight, which isn't that much really! ;D
But I do find it sad that your motivation is because you feel you've been kicked down by your peers, so you've got to 'get out there and get what you can'.
I bet your 'peers' don't really care what you're doing, so why are you still letting them control you?
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He's just unhappy, Dave; he feels frustrated by his attempts to avoid pain and get pleasure; and this is one of the symptoms of his distress.
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The most important thing to me is to make as much as i can in the next 3 years, hopefully enough to see me through the rest of my days or just start to take thing easy
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Tosh
I think I have got distress.
Each year I grow my business, yet it is never enough. I get frustrated because i actually feel worse.
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Tosh
I think I have got distress.
Each year I grow my business, yet it is never enough. I get frustrated because i actually feel worse.
I can explain why, do you want me to?
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hows that shoulder ,dave
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Tosh is now a little fat buddah who likes to enlighten others due his his new venture into religion....bless him,he's trying hard.... ;D
Thank you; a bit less of the 'fat' though. I'm about 10 pounds overweight, which isn't that much really! ;D
But I do find it sad that your motivation is because you feel you've been kicked down by your peers, so you've got to 'get out there and get what you can'.
I bet your 'peers' don't really care what you're doing, so why are you still letting them control you?
I know what you are saying tosh,and i do agree to some extent,but i think of life as a challenge and when others have put me down in the past i use that to do better for myself.I suppose we are all under differant rules in life,it would be mad if we were all the same,but i use these negative things in my life to help me move forward.They certainly dont control me,they inspire me to move in the right direction for my life.
By the way i am only jesting with you about your new beliefs,it is good that you find that in your life and it helps you move your life on as well. ;)
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ronnie your right 100% .its all about making cash ,you live once so work hard and live big.
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I always wondered why millionaires went on to become multi millionaires, clearly its not the money as they would already have enough.
I reckon its the thrill of the chase, and being able to thumb their noses at people who thought they didn't have a chance in hell of succeeding.
I earn good money but will never make it to that sort of league, however when i think i earn as much as many high flyers in the city it gives me a nice feeling to think that i did it on my own, no one has given me a dime, its all been done by taking chances, working hard and building a business that has fortunately prospered even during the recession.
If in 2yrs time you are still in business and your making money then you, and only you can take the credit for it.
Most businesses fail in the first 2years apparently.
Dennis
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frank do you know me?......well let me tell you im no jack ass but a guarentee that you are.
now if you have nothing constructive post on anthre topic not mine you fool.
has i said he last post if you can read it,
if you dont like people opinion then dont bother put post on here.
dontttt. that what a forum is.it really is that simple
or are you one of them who dont like people have somthing to say?????.
i bet you are :P :P :P
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all i want is a decent living and to make my business as uncomplicated and profitable as possible.
For me i am not intrested in building an empire (not having a pop at anyone)
when i get in after a days graft i just want to switch off and relax with family.
easy said than done at the mo :(
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Possibly but only if its makes more than it spends :)
I know what you mean though
But i bet dis honest business men succeed too
It all depens on what your values are
I agree with you on both these points Sean. I believe the difference is that honest guys don't have to look over their shoulder, and that the dishonest eventually get found and end up worse off in the long run.
John.
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frank do you know me?......well let me tell you im no jack ass but a guarentee that you are.
now if you have nothing constructive post on anthre topic not mine you fool.
has i said he last post if you can read it,
if you dont like people opinion then dont bother put post on here.
dontttt. that what a forum is.it really is that simple
or are you one of them who dont like people have somthing to say?????.
i bet you are :P :P :P
Yawn ::)
you boring frank, has you can see people have there say but your revert to name calling and the forum is full of people who become very brave behind the computer.
If you have some thing constructive to say ill listen other wise Frankybad boy ::)
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He's just unhappy, Dave; he feels frustrated by his attempts to avoid pain and get pleasure; and this is one of the symptoms of his distress.
have i missed something
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money money money :o
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Not wanting stir up trouble
You have missed my post asking people to chill out, i think it was something about arguing with shadows.
This post will self destruct in 10 minutes
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i opening admit i am, i had nothing when i was younger and i used that and people who thought i would come to nothing to achieve what iv achieved.
i love nice cars a nice home a gorgeous women and expensive clothes.
Who'd have thought you'd end up with six websites? I'd look up all those loser predicting swine- and providing they had amounted to nothing befreind them and...... well no actually, this kind of motivation is very self indulgent and childish.You need to grow up.Some will have way more dough than you, some will have done great things with their lives, they won't be in a time capsule where they are amazed at your success.Worst of all they could even be pleased for you that you've come good.
Someset Maughan said; It was not only necessary that i should succeed, it was also necessary that my friends should fail. He qualified as a doctor as a youngman and became one of the most famous short story and dramatic writers of all time.I can just imagine his face if you ran the window cleaner thing by him.
By the question what is more important to your business?You probably mean what is important to you? and the usual answer is profit, but to get to that you need all the other things you mention. So a heirachy is needed with profit at the top and other stuff assembled underneath.
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well i am who i am and its tuff i like many things in life and expensive things are one of them.
I love my family more than anything and they are what make me happy, providing for thm makes me pround.
I do use many things to drive me and help me succed and if it works then who is any one to say its wrong???
i lot of people on here are driven by being right!!!! many come on here being all bravo!!!! i just come on here being honest( many are not sure how to be this)
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well i am who i am and its tuff i like many things in life and expensive things are one of them.
I love my family more than anything and they are what make me happy, providing for thm makes me pround.
I do use many things to drive me and help me succed and if it works then who is any one to say its wrong???
i lot of people on here are driven by being right!!!! many come on here bing all bravo!!!! i just come on here being honest( many are not sure how to be this)
yawn yawn yawn
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profit and more profit and a good well known name aswell turnover is also there`and theres another load of profitttttttttttttttttttttttttt ;D
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profit over 75% and there is only me motivated by money(remember in most cases we are the buisiness) at least im honest.
I would of thoght there would be som many voted other
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How are you honest? You admitt to being a shallow person but that doesn't make you honest. That's like admitting i'm a liar and therefore honest.
At least i'm honest, at least i proved them all wrong.... Do you think you are the first person to have these thoughts?
95% of us think these things.
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I don’t think Ronny`s needs are out of line. Remember its what he wants out of his business it might not be our. You go Ron,just make sure you love those kids and give them of yourself Mate.
For Ewan if you do not work for money you can give me you excess any time
For its growth in all aspect of my business and move on from self employment to a business. Sorry mate it will always mean staff. I have never employed in the U K but looking forward to the challenge.
The growth I want is increase profits, increase turnover in line with profits. Have more happy clients, A better reputation. A bigger slice of the market and the admiration and respect of my pears as well as be a contributor to this industry. I will be happy to have a big tax bill .This is the thrust of where I want to go in my small business.
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why am i shallow, do you you run your business to make the biggest profit you can? dioes this mean earning more money?
many things strive me on not one individual thing but i enjoy not worrying about money give the best i can to my self and my family.
im groing my business so less time is spent running it and more with my family without losing out on the money, but because you dont agree im wrong???
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it does seem like you are just trying to big yourself up ronnie to be honest. well to me i dont care who thinks they are the big i am etc. i just do what i gota do and try to survive. If i was loaded I wouldnt be bragging about it like you are. but hey thats just me we are all different.
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why am i shallow,
I've got to lock that one as quote of the week! ;D
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go ahead hope it makes you happy.
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it does seem like you are just trying to big yourself up ronnie to be honest. well to me i dont care who thinks they are the big i am etc. i just do what i gota do and try to survive. If i was loaded I wouldnt be bragging about it like you are. but hey thats just me we are all different.
im not loaded and why am i bragging?? iv done well in four years but im not finished here, im not loaded but i provide the people who i care about my family.......so has long has these people are happy then thats all that counts.
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well the other day you was going on about 250k a year on a post you created which haveing the amount off staff you have you meant you in that post. Respect. wish i could do it but thats just life i guess. some have it some dont.
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sorry but you got it wrong im a million miles away from that trust me, i have two staff and me(part timeish) ifwe was doing that i wold be gobsmacked.
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ohh. my bad. ;D
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its got to be profit every time or else why bother?put it this way if i won the lotto tommorrow i wouldnt do this job as a hobby!!
1.make a profit
2.good name
THATS IT!! ;D ;D
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its got to be profit every time or else why bother?put it this way if i won the lotto tommorrow i wouldnt do this job as a hobby!!
1.make a profit
2.good name
THATS IT!! ;D ;D
where you been daz.????????????????
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I can't see any point in doing business apart from making profit.
The rest is just vanity.
There are many large & small non profit businesses in the UK, they aren’t vain at all; they reinvest any money back into the business as well as give it away. All business needs profits to operate, but that’s not what the profits are for, a lot have already said the profit they make is for the benefit of there family.
So nothing else is important with your business?
No ewan. It is all about getting the work done well in as little time as possible.
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My business is a product of having to have a job and put food on the table.
I moved to Cornwall 1996 without a job and £2k of savings, we moved into rented accomodation which with living next to a pub slowly began to eat my savings.
Every time a bill dropped through the letter box, I used to dread it.
I didnt get a job for six months partly due to there being no jobs, or which ones were availabe, you needed skills, or they were part time.
The only thing that has ever motivated me is money, so when one day my wife was asked by a friend if she knew a window cleaner has she needed £1000 worth of window cleaning doing, as fast as I could I ran to the shop, bought a bucket and sponge, oh and borrowed a ladder, and just grown from there.
In all the time since the biggest motivator for me is still money, admittidly I chase turnover, but thats not saying profits are low, in fact my business operates at 50% net profit, which is very good considering the size of my wage bill.
I will keep on in this manner until I feel I get to a level where I have a saleable business.
So the answer in a long winded way is having enough money to maintain my lifestyle and not having to worry about bills, I cant remember the last time a bill dropped through the letter box and thought "How the hell am I going to pay that"
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wow your so shallow
:)
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Yes, very shallow
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Yes, very shallow
He'd be shallower if he said he liked expensive clothes and gorgeous women, and only worked so that he could thumb his nose at other people.
There's a difference between wanting financial security and being shallow.
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yawn yawn, i like what i like ause i am what i am.
if you want to shop at aldi and i want to shop at m & s i must be shallow, i work hard so nie things are what i deserve and many things motivate me weathers doubters or money ir seurity or the hallenge has long has it works for me.
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Come on nothing wrong with wanting the better things in life...everything in morderation...
Dave.
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You really have done well dave.Assuming you weren't sitting on a house sale egg at the time (96).
Ronnie, so have you.