Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike_Boxall on June 15, 2005, 12:12:32 am
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I got a glimpse of the new Prochem catalogue today - 'Multi-purpose carpet cleaning powder with new soap-free, enzyme-free and fragrance-free formula. Complete rinse and residue free cleaning'
Watch this space...........
Regards
Mike
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Hi9 Guys,
I've been suprised that the likes of Prochem/Chemspec etc have been so slow in bringing out their own 'microsplitter' products.
They must have seen a fall in sales of traditional products.
Cheers,
Doug
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sounds like another step forward mike,powder is cheaper than liquid normally,can't be classed as a micro splitter being a powder tho can it ?
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Matt,
Phosphates are powders which are readily soluble in water.
Products like Dry Blend etc, will already contain about 20% phosphates.
'Microsplitters' are phosphates dissolved in water.
Cheers,
Doug
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i'm prob going to come accross as a bit thick here doug !but i'll ask anyway,, would this powder be added to the machine or diluted down and used through a sprayer like the current liquid microsplitters?...in my understanding traditional powders get the dirt to stick to the detergent on contact and then extracted off...m's split the dirt then its extracted with a clean rinse....IF this new powder is added to the clean tank why can't the current liquid m/s ?
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Matt,
As I understand it the detergent helps to wet out the fabric and the phosphates then shear the dirt.
The detergent also helps to suspend the dirt in solution.
If Prochems new product is indeed detergent free phosphates then agitation would be required to shear the dirt, so I would presume it would be presprayed.
It could be put in the tank and then worked in before being extracted , but then more would be left in the carpet.
Maybe Mike can give us some more details?
Cheers,
Doug
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Maybe Mike can give us some more details?
The products listed under 'Pre-sprays and Maintenance Products' and I'd expect it to be presprayed, agitated and rinsed with fresh water but to be honest, at the moment, I know nothing more than this:
Pure Clean NEW
Multi-purpose carpet cleaning powder with new soap-free, enzyme-free and fragrance-free formula. Use in extraction, bonnet, spray cleaning and spotting for complete rinse and residue free cleaning. White powder.
Dilution 1 to 66 pH 9
Case Qty. 4 x 4K C409-04 / 4K £17.95
We'll obviously have it in stock shortly so we'd appreciate any feedback.
I've tried other Microsplitters and they've performed OK. Lots of people have said they've tried them but haven't got on with them and lot's of people swear by them. My argument has always been that I think it's the agitation that makes more of a difference than the actual chemical performance. I think that one of the good things to come out of Microsplitters is that people are encouraged to agitate where they may not have bothered before with normal chemicals. I think you'd get pretty good results with most standard chemicals if you agitated it properly.
Obviously, the claim of lower resoiling is an advantage (although again I would question how much soiling you'd get using normal chemicals propoerly anyway) but if M/S are just full of phosphates they're not going to have a particularly good environmental profile.
It's all swings and roundabouts!
Doubtless some people won't be happy that Prochem have finally launched this.
Regards
Mike
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I agree , microsplitters have taught me to agitate. I've been using my 'old' chemicals recently and agitating them with my rotowash. The results have been very good, much better than before, and just as quick as the ms.
Will still try the Prochem range though.
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IVE BEEN WARNED NOT TO AGITATE ;D
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I say bring on the price wars ;D
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But as I read on a posting somewhere Micro Splitters have moved on.
I have to say that at present Solutions apears to have a good U.S.P.
Because even if you do not promote it as an Allergy aid product, its still gives Value Added.
Not that Im in the Network.
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Ian,
We know you are not in 'THE NETWORK', as you had to pay an extortionate price for your 'Hunter vac' from Somerfields.
:) ;D :D
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Do you NETWORK guys have a Secret Handshake ??? ??? ???
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John,
No, but they all stand in a line waving their banners in the air dancing and singing.
Give us an A give us an L give us an L E R, give us a G give us an S give us a T O P, whaderya got
ALLERGSTOP
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;D ;D
Can I join In?
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PMSL ::) ::) :o :o ::) ::)
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lol...thats the funniest post for a while martin ;D
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watch this space !!
chemspecs version which I'm sure I posted about on here!!!
http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/chemspec_DFC.htm
Shaun
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Shaun,
According to your link The Chemspec product does not contain phosphates either :o
Cheers,
Doug
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I think it's because they deal with California and they have a very strict chemical law, Richard Suddall was telling me a few years ago.
Shaun
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When I aquired my Hunter THE NETWORK was planning to charge more than Somerfields I believe.
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I guess it is only fair to offer A'stop members all sorts of discounts as they have placed alot of time and money into the network and will probably be spending alot more in a short space of time, isn't it £2500 of product in the space of 15 months to renew your license?
Shaun
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Martin
Nice one it beat maypole dancing ;D
John
They could have but if told you I would have to kill you, I would not want to do that, would I. :o
Ian
You still would have had a bargain I charge customers £55.00 and £5.00 for micro-fibre cloth, customers know I buy in bulk and that’s why I sell them cheaper! :-[ :-[
Len
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Len its like Ron says some of you are good Salesmen and always extract the maximum price.
I will not say what I really think ;D ;D ;D
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Ian
Look at the figures of say Tesco and the Channel tunnel; don’t forget I also have shareholders think the right word may be stakeholders, taxman and the wife not to mention my generosity to the unfortunate, witch I’m one! ;D ;D
Len
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The network? Is that the Altec network? sorry newbie to forum!
Paul ;D
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Paul,
No,
I am sure if you look at recent posts you will know which one I was refering too Been so many plugs just do not personally want to mention it.
Len dont want to Labour the point to a bit of banter, but I confused.
Tescos Megga Profits competively priced. Would have sold Hunter £25 ?
As I understand Channel Tunnel costs more than Ferry Operators.
About to go bust.
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Hi Guys,
Having read the Chemspec blurb again I think this must be an enzyme product , probably based on naturally occuring enzymes.
It claims not to contain surfctants or phosphates so what else could it be.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Doug
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:o
Eer, Doug, you is cleverer than you looks :P ;)
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Hi all
On a course that i was recently on with prochem, the question was asked "Is prochem bringing out microsplitters?" Their answer was no absolutely not, We do not believe in them and we do not agree with the use of them." They would not even include them in their so called generic course.
Why is a company that think microsplitters do not work suddenly bringing them out in their own range :o :o ??? :-\
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There not.
I have been testing one of prochems new products for them over the past couple of months and its quite good.
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hi there
Why did not agree with the use of m/s?
john
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Hi John
Possibly because they would reduce the need for a large number of chemicals in the prochem range.
Best regards Nick
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Len its like Ron says some of you are good Salesmen and always extract the maximum price.
I will not say what I really think ;D ;D ;D
WHAT HAS RON SAID NOW.i am sure i am right if i have said it. but would like to know. :P
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Ian
Channel Tunnel owed by the banks who pulls the strings, Tesco’s private.
Ron
Think it’s a kent thing!
Len
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prochem are leaders . they wait and when they launch you will be on a winner.they are a company with worldwide credibillity. mike boxall. is a leader follow were he goes. make no mistake if its good its very good