Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JRDEasiReach on January 05, 2010, 11:47:25 am
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
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i did the complete oppopsite and went back to the ladders yesterday.after taking all my freezable parts in doors over night, did the outside of the first house then the inside. when i came back out the pole was frozen. was quite nice to be back on the ladders for once, hoprfully help shift a few of the christmas pounds! didnt have any touble on the ladders yesterday, jus need to keep your wits about you
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders
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You have to earn a living so i have gone back to ladders have got some help in so im footed and safe on the ladders stopped useing the pole as i don't want to risk people slipping on ice caused by wfp.
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i wouldnt like to be footed on solid ice ladder and man can both slide
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Have only been wfp for a couple of months, first day back and I done it all trad so it didn't really feel any different to what i've been used to
wfp v trad ? i say long live window cleaning 8)
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JRD, if you are happy being WFP, good for you. I'm trad, because I choose to work that way. I get the impression alot on CIU, that WFPers would rather everyone was WFP too. Wonder why. I don't use ladders now when there's snow on the ground, since last week, I either use a pole or do downstairs only. Got that idea from Matt B and someone else on here.
Been trad all the time, only ever slipped once, no broken bones, just shook me up and taught me to be carefull. Still don't understand though, why alot of WFP guys don't seem to like trad guys working with ladders. What do you think?
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cozy i was merely mentioning what i had heard and was NOT having a pop at trad guys, use trad aswell when i need to im just 99% WFP.
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im wfp and trad to be honest i would like to use wfp all time; but you
have to use what makes money.
i know one thing i havent been sacked off a job where i cleaned trad ;)
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I know you weren't mate, but do you see my point? Anyone can go WFP. Some choose not to. Hear about guys falling alot on here though, if you get my drift.
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I've been on my ladder all week no problems and no slips if I feel it is in the slightest bit tricky I tell my customer that I will have to leave the odd window incase of a slip and they have all be fine. I have tried to use the wfp on a few but its frozen solid!
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I'm trad and have no intention of ever changing over to wfp (my choice). I constantly risk assess my work, and have had no problems with my ladders slipping this winter. If there is a chance that the ladders are going to slide, I simply don't go up them.
I have made mistakes in the past and the ladders have slid (not on ice though) so it has made me realise that it is better to take more time if necessary and be safe. I believe that ladders are safe if they are used properly and you have the correct ones for the job. It's us humans that are at fault when something goes wrong, not the ladders.
John.
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On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!
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I constantly risk assess my work, and have had no problems with my ladders slipping this winter. If there is a chance that the ladders are going to slide, I simply don't go up them.
John.
This has to be the key piece of advice. I've not been out for 2 weeks now and I'm getting fed up and funds are running very low, but unless I'm 100% happy that I'm safe on the ladders then I'll not be risking it. Hopefully things will improve in the near future and we can all get back out working, but your own health and safety are the most important thing.
Even if I had a full van system with a heating system I'd still not be able to do most of my jobs. Because as soon as you come of the main roads your onto ice covered roads and I'd be buggered if I'm buying a plough and gritter as well :)
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On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!
You do realise you've just wrecked JRDEsiReach's whole year!!! He's probably crying his eyes out in his bedroom right now!!!! :'( :'(
Apart from that, it can't possibly be true!! ;D
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders
Ever tried using ladder spikes Stan? Still have to be sensible though.
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as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em ;D
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I have used ladders for over 20 years & ALWAYS will, thats what proper window cleaning is all about = when you can say youv'e used mops, scrims, leathers, pads, blades & the like,,,,,,
NOT just pushing a pole up and down windows.
However, most of my work is done using the poles, but i do appreciate window cleaners using ladders, as i think its a skill to be able to use ladders & clean windows properly.
Whatever suits you !
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On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!
You do realise you've just wrecked JRDEsiReach's whole year!!! He's probably crying his eyes out in his bedroom right now!!!! :'( :'(
Apart from that, it can't possibly be true!! ;D
Would I make things like that up? If I was making it up he would of broken all sorts of bones! Happily for him the guy is not self employed so is at least getting some money his boss however is maybe not so happy
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I have used ladders for over 20 years & ALWAYS will, thats what proper window cleaning is all about = when you can say youv'e used mops, scrims, leathers, pads, blades & the like,,,,,,
NOT just pushing a pole up and down windows.
However, most of my work is done using the poles, but i do appreciate window cleaners using ladders, as i think its a skill to be able to use ladders & clean windows properly.
Whatever suits you !
here here well said. :)
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trad and wfp are both as good as each other,dusnt matta wat u use,as long as u get the job done ;D
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Its about getting the job done PROPERLY & SAFELY
But it is good, when you can be good at cleaning windows traditionaly & by using the waterfed pole.
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your absolutly right,if you can do trad and wfp,then youve got the best of both worlds ;D as long as the job is done safly and to a high standard then it dunt matter what you use ;D
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its always going to be a bone of contention trad or wfp personally dot really matter they have both good and bad points i clean tops wfp and lower work trad
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I have been trad for four years never had my ladders slip once just dont take sily risks, i dont want to go wfp i can clean a three bed semi quicker than a guy with wfp, i had done the front of the house before he was set up, each to there own
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I know a trad wc who fell off his ladder yesterday, he was cleaning a window above a porch and the next thing he knew was on the ground!!! He was very very lucky, just bruises and cut's.
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders
I'm glad you are here stan for a bit of balance.I haven't worked either and feel a bit guilty/lazy, so seeing your post makes me feel a bit better. I'm wfp (hot) and probably know enough for my system to work, but window sills have ice and i would be leaving water and ice behind me and possibly alienating customers.
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders
Ever tried using ladder spikes Stan? Still have to be sensible though.
got spikes on,that much packed ice its not save to walk with ladder and bucket,and on top of that most roads unaccesable the council are short of grit
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Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders.
they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders
I'm glad you are here stan for a bit of balance.I haven't worked either and feel a bit guilty/lazy, so seeing your post makes me feel a bit better. I'm wfp (hot) and probably know enough for my system to work, but window sills have ice and i would be leaving water and ice behind me and possibly alienating customers.
cant wait to get cracking,but by not taking risks now i know i will get on top later
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just been on a scooter web and a blokes on about how he got to work today;
then he goes home later and two trucks jack knifed on road cabs are a mess;
one blokes not going home tonight or ever.
morale of this is for me take care im not taking my van out unless i can get a job done
not messing about trying to get a bit here and a bit there puting your neck on the line
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When the roads are icy, I wait until the rush hour accidents are finished before thinking about setting off to work. Rather get to work late but safe.
If roads are too icy I won't chance risking an accident as I don't fancy having to sort out the hassle of getting van repaired and being off work longer than could have been prevented.
I use to do trad cleaning all the time. Came off a ladder so I remember how painful it can be. I have a lot of respect for ladders and working safely using them. I only use ladders on 3 commercial buildings to gain access now. If roads are icy there is no way I would risk going up a ladder, so for those of you who do risk icy conditions, just be safe and don't put greed before safety :)
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yes its bad out there at the moment whether ur trad or wfp.ive been trad for 16 years and also use trad poles a lot for awkward windows.if ur trad only and work on ur own i would advise all of u to buy a trad pole and practice,practice,practice!you will find it a godsend for windows above porches/mossy decking/gravel etc.A LOT SAFER AND PIECE OF MIND! ;D
so im a window cleaner who is proficient in all aspects of trad window cleaning inclu trad pole work.but im a wfp virgin!!i am going to add wfp this year though at some point as u guys have convinced me id be a fool not too!!
thousands of wfpolers cant be wrong can they?? ::) ;D ;D ;D
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as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em ;D
Thats a stupid thing to say.
Dave Morris here fell of a ladder recently and did himself a serious injury. As much as I enjoy winding Dave up, I will admit that he's very safety conscious, knows how to use ladders safely and has a lot of experience. But even the best of us can have a bad/forgetfull moment or simple bad luck. Know the risks, accept them and REDUCE them.
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The ineveitable fall comes to all of us eventually who work with ladders. Even though the risk may be small, when you do it over and over many times a day the time is going to come.
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The ineveitable fall comes to all of us eventually who work with ladders. Even though the risk may be small, when you do it over and over many times a day the time is going to come.
...Hence the need to constantly risk assess, to leave no room for complacency.
John.
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as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em ;D
Thats a stupid thing to say.
Dave Morris here fell of a ladder recently and did himself a serious injury. As much as I enjoy winding Dave up, I will admit that he's very safety conscious, knows how to use ladders safely and has a lot of experience. But even the best of us can have a bad/forgetfull moment or simple bad luck. Know the risks, accept them and REDUCE them.
how is it a stupid thing to say..if you are stupid on your ladder your more likly to fall of and hurt yaself...if your not stupidon it then your less likly to fall,its jus comon sence mate :) of course theys the odd freak accident,no-ones perfect ;D but in GENERAL if your not stupid on your ladder then you wont fall ;D
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You can be as careful and watchful as you want to be, but when the risks are heightened and the ground is dangerous you're asking for trouble.
H&S recommendations suggest you observe and check ground conditions prior to using a ladder, how some think that snow and ice shouldn't be considered when using a ladder is beyond most.
Footed or not footed mad.
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Footed or not footed mad.
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You can be as careful and watchful as you want to be, but when the risks are heightened and the ground is dangerous you're asking for trouble.
H&S recommendations suggest you observe and check ground conditions prior to using a ladder, how some think that snow and ice shouldn't be considered when using a ladder is beyond most.
Footed or not footed mad.
yep i agree,ice for me is a no go,its bad enuff walkin on it! and if youve got your ladders in one hand and your bucket in the other and you slip then....ouch! ;D