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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ronnie paton on December 22, 2009, 08:10:18 pm
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......those who have a thermo how good is the system what are the pros and cons of hot?
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havent you heard the L5 is the same thing :P
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The l5 is not robust enough for our work.
Thermopure is great. How much is it?
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£3000 +vat
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£3000 +vat
....owwwwww muuuuuuuuuuch!!!!!!!!!!
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edds the expert he has one. Sounds okay to me.
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are we not talking double figures new?
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At that price Ronnie I would stay in bed until the weather warms up in Spring! ;D ;D ;D
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I have a thermopure system and they are great. You can now get thermo pure add-on to your existing system called the hotbox, can't remember how much it is.
L5? HA HA HA HA HA
That is all.
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if you have a static system go for the thermo delivery unit you will save a bundle if not getting all the pre filters etc!
i've fancled one for ages, i got a price from purefreedom and between an ionics delivery and the purefreedom version was only about 1000 - 1500 quid so food for thought
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dont have static system.
stay in bed till spring bloody hell id lose about 40k ;)
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Prefacing my comment with "I have no direct experience of hot systems and only know of its usefulness through this forum" may I observe the following?
Sidetracking into "is it worth going hot or not" - I don't know if having a hot system would make much difference in weather like this. It'll still freeze on the ground and my van would not cope too well with side roads on a day like this round here - and I would probably slip over and fall while working anyway.
Where hot makes a difference, I understand, is on first cleans and heavy soiled jobs - whatever the weather. Does it make a difference on repeat cleans?
So I wonder whether the weather is really the driving factor in a hot system?
After all we have hit minus 7 here (which is probably a one in five years event here in Bristol) and yet my 1kw radiator (on at night only) on the lowest heat and with the thermostat at about one third setting and insulated tank have kept my van not just frost free but the water this a.m. was still at 5 degrees.
Edited to add - sorry I didn't notice PJ's hot or not thread ... :-[
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i think your right gold!i dont have either but i think for mantenaince cleans on domestics and small commercial cold is fine according to a lot of u lot!i suppose if u clean a lot of big infrequent commercial/builders/first cleans.it might be easier with a hot system.just more overheads and expense for small timers! ;) ;D
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the reasons i would buy are to avoid the heater in the van scenario and because the betetr cleaning performaceon things like first clean cladding and con roof.
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ive been using the l5 for well over a year now, and i believe hot is better in the summer rather than the winter.
in the winter i just run the water warm, because of the dangers of cracking glass, but it is still nicer to use than cold, as the hoses are nice and supple.
in the summer you can crank the heat up, and even on regular cleans it does speed you up, cos it helps remove baked on bird crap and more so, pollen spots, which i find are hard to shift quickly with cold.
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do you go through more or less or the same water?
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been so long since i used cold all day, i cant remeber, probably the same, or maybe slightly more,
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I think all WFP equipment is well overpriced... Over the next few years prices will drop because of more competition in the suppliers market.
Andy
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In the words of Gold repeated
Prefacing my comment with "I have no direct experience of hot systems and only know of its usefulness through this forum" may I suggest that one of the main reasons why I am considering it is that warm water will help to keep my hoses supple. I get so frustrated with trying to work with these coils of wire its doing my blood pressure in.
I still think that working in this weather is a no no for me due to the slippage risk of leaving water behind to freeze, so being hot wouldn't change that. Someone once commented that putting salt down can damage some fancy driveway/footpath stones - so I have always been overly cautious in winter.
Spruce
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ive been using the l5 for well over a year now, and i believe hot is better in the summer rather than the winter.
in the winter i just run the water warm, because of the dangers of cracking glass, but it is still nicer to use than cold, as the hoses are nice and supple.
in the summer you can crank the heat up, and even on regular cleans it does speed you up, cos it helps remove baked on bird crap and more so, pollen spots, which i find are hard to shift quickly with cold.
havent you heard, the L5 isnt upto the job, 1 year on and you say its doing fine
well i never, sounds alot like the fishing pole, that'll never work they said, allmost 2 and 1/2 years on and the pole it still fine
sometimes it pays to think outside the box and not follow the crowd
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matt feel my time is better spent doing other stuff im no good at making or putting things to gether and if i did do it trust me it would go rong so i would rather pay th money.........................ish iwas more like some of the diy guys.
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matt feel my time is better spent doing other stuff im no good at making or putting things to gether and if i did do it trust me it would go rong so i would rather pay th money.........................ish iwas more like some of the diy guys.
i was only having a joke ronnie
if you read my 2 replies in this thread, i thought they were humorous
i knew if i mentioned the L5 people would jump up and down and say " its a toy " etc etc etc , it really is sometimes like shooting fish in a barrel
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matt you got me wrong im seriuos i wish i could do more DIY, if i could i would save £££££
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If your nice and warm you work better , thats how i see it = £££
L5 ;D
Second winter going fine ;D
And a big bag of salt ;)
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matt you got me wrong im seriuos i wish i could do more DIY, if i could i would save £££££
Im the same i have no problem with things being diy'd so as long as they are a good standard but i too am useless like that otherwise i probably wouldnt be cleaning windows, id be a engineer or something, but i cant seem to get my head round that kind of thing, theory im fine but practically drilling and stuff im useless
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If you have a hot water heater at least you can keep your water from freezing on site or miles from home. Still need to insulate the pump and hoses from tank up to your hotbox though.
I use hot wfp system but can't work owing to trecherous black ice on the roads everywhere. Had to call it a day end of play Tuesday as roads too bad to go anywhere despite working below zero in rural areas.
Hot box is worth the money if you have a full round and like to be reliable in extreme cold weather.
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I think it was Jeff who asked it he could warm the water in the tank with l5, to me this was a smart move as one could insulate tank and run l5 and pump bypass back wile you fill in the morning and maybe a little longer.Even if this improved just a few degrees if would help.
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I have no experiance of hot but it's the water freezing on the ground that bothers me the most...and when temps go seriously sub zero what would then be the benifit?
As for 1st cleans, personally I clean each new house twice anyhow so would hot change this requirement.
Like most I am very intrested in Hot but I have doubts about how it would benift me.
I am lucky to have a very large garage which I can run electric to heaters in the van and to my ro system...so it's the day to day use of hot than intrests me the most.
Cheers
Dave.