Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tam Moffat on December 07, 2009, 07:07:38 pm
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My name is Tam Moffat, some of you may know we, some may not. Very out/spoken at times. I am an ex commitee member of the FWC for a lot of years, until 2 years ago. I am a trad w/c or should I say, was. I was against wfp for years and fought for the trads for years. I now must eat humble pie, so to speak.
I am now wfp, with most jobs. I do not go up ladders, I still use back/flip, anybody at Burmingham a few years ogo would have saw my demonstration for the Fed, on jobs that would not be suitable for wfp.
3 months on, a few cons. roofs, gutters and soffits, high work in Glasgow, considering I am 50 miles away, I have paid, when I get paid, for all I have paid out.
I want to say sorry for all the posts that I made in the past as, with tunnel vision, you dont see the whole picture.
Tam Moffat
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Tam
Have you gota Bamboo Wfp ?
Sorry couldn't resist.
Welcome back.
I had the same attitude for a while so no need to apologise, we have all had our doubts.
Dave
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Yeah,I wish alot of trad WC's around here would stop slagging WFP off and brain washing customers ,like you they will eat their own words in time to come when WFP will be the only option.............................IDIOTS
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My name is Tam Moffat, some of you may know we, some may not. Very out/spoken at times. I am an ex commitee member of the FWC for a lot of years, until 2 years ago. I am a trad w/c or should I say, was. I was against wfp for years and fought for the trads for years. I now must eat humble pie, so to speak.
I am now wfp, with most jobs. I do not go up ladders, I still use back/flip, anybody at Burmingham a few years ogo would have saw my demonstration for the Fed, on jobs that would not be suitable for wfp.
3 months on, a few cons. roofs, gutters and soffits, high work in Glasgow, considering I am 50 miles away, I have paid, when I get paid, for all I have paid out.
I want to say sorry for all the posts that I made in the past as, with tunnel vision, you dont see the whole picture.
Tam Moffat
Good to see you back Tam.
Glad to hear your working more safely and earning better.
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in time to come when WFP will be the only option.............................
it will always be a free country ;D ;D
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Im a trad myself,i dint rate wfp for a while coz a lad who used to use it on our windows was rubbish,it always left loadsa dirty spots on the window,and i had to go out and re do em! but since iv sin a few of my mates use em and sin the results i really like em,and hope one day soon i'll be gettin one :) the guy who used to do my place jus musnt of bin doin em rite,i do like trad methods and wfp so i'll prob still do both 50/50 wen i get one :)
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fair play to you.
I have written a post now three times and not posted due to not wanting to up set you or make fed committee spilt there tea and biscuits out.
seems a good job you left the committee as they seem to be moving in the right direction for all window cleaners not just the old school trad cleaner I would love to know the full line up of committee members I bet all are over 50 under 80 maybe :-X
Ian
p.s did I say glad you went wfp, you will be kicking yourself when up to speed ;)
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I had the same attitude also. I kept slagging it off. Telling people it was crap etc.
I think lots of us did/still do.
Wfp turned out to be the best move I made though.
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I think one will slag off wfp due to the threat to ones income and vice versa. We are just cutting a rod for our backs. The custies do not know any better, only what we tell them. They would not do the research in to the prows and com of each system. By slaaging of wfp or Trad in some cases we are making a change over practically imposable for our selves. Let’s bring this short sightedness to an end and become true pros and come to realize we need both systems. To the trad guy try cleaning 3 floor of a ladder and to the wfp guys try cleaning inside a building. Need I say more?
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well said ;D
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well said ;D
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its ok to come on here and apologize for the WFP posts
if my memory is correct, you were very fond of dishing out personal attacks on people
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Tam the turn coat :D
Welcome to the dark side 8)
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Take the commitee of FWC, I got asked to leave after 5-6 years on the commitee. I was informed that I did not do enough to merit a place on the committee. Brian Dolby put a memo that i did not see ,to out me from the commitee at the last minute, I had no defence as it was sprung on me at the last minute. I implemented the SQA/NQA at the FWC. We got a NQA at the FWC office wich was a con for A walker, and he dissapeared with the NQA, No. I was against this. I done numerous things for the Fed at Trade Shows, inc having S/NVQ, with the bICS rep with me. To be continued.
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Tam
Was that just after you came on the forums, using offensive language, and making the Fed look unprofessional.
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I have never slagged wfp off... hate trad , horrible way to clean windows... unless you like living in 1850..
trad to wfp ........is,
going from an old banger to a brand new car.
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its ok to come on here and apologize for the WFP posts
if my memory is correct, you were very fond of dishing out personal attacks on people
;D
yes though they were quite funny sometimes. Very outspoken.
Good to see you here again tam. ;D
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Take the commitee of FWC, I got asked to leave after 5-6 years on the commitee. I was informed that I did not do enough to merit a place on the committee. Brian Dolby put a memo that i did not see ,to out me from the commitee at the last minute, I had no defence as it was sprung on me at the last minute. I implemented the SQA/NQA at the FWC. We got a NQA at the FWC office wich was a con for A walker, and he dissapeared with the NQA, No. I was against this. I done numerous things for the Fed at Trade Shows, inc having S/NVQ, with the bICS rep with me. To be continued.
Sounds interesting...
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Fair play for coming on here and re-addressing what was said. My personal opinion is the FWC is old hat now and has very little to offer and the dwindling membership reflects that. I say again if the FWC is to remain influential its got to reinvent it self
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Im a trad myself,i dint rate wfp for a while coz a lad who used to use it on our windows was rubbish,it always left loadsa dirty spots on the window,and i had to go out and re do em! but since iv sin a few of my mates use em and sin the results i really like em,and hope one day soon i'll be gettin one :) the guy who used to do my place jus musnt of bin doin em rite,i do like trad methods and wfp so i'll prob still do both 50/50 wen i get one :)
Ironically, his cleaning may have been rubbish because you redid them.
Not an insult to your window cleaning but he was trying to take chemicals/detergent off thge windows to keep the water pure and you were probably putting detergent back on them. He turns up the next time expecting the glass to be free of such stuff and cleans with the expectation that no chemicals have been used on the glass since his previous visit.
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Wfp has made even Tam soft :o Must be good.
A lot of trad cleaners` views of wfp are due to ignorance not just because they are trad.
There is some ignorance on the wfp side too.
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Wfp has made even Tam soft :o Must be good.
A lot of trad cleaners` views of wfp are due to ignorance not just because they are trad.
There is some ignorance on the wfp side too.
This post is spot on.
seems the many of the ones wfp only and never done trad put down trad cleaning and vice versa
I find it quite amusing.
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Ironically, his cleaning may have been rubbish because you redid them.
Not an insult to your window cleaning but he was trying to take chemicals/detergent off thge windows to keep the water pure and you were probably putting detergent back on them. He turns up the next time expecting the glass to be free of such stuff and cleans with the expectation that no chemicals have been used on the glass since his previous visit.
no he did them b4 we even moved in,it was a contract for these apartments,and i only re did them after 2nd month of livin they,coz my missus step dad uses wfp and she told me that,but the spots were still they after everytime time,prob wernt purifyin his water rite,that my guess :)
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at first i was really anti wfp even after buying one, i first bought an over the top (now ionic) system and thought it was rubbish the poles where like spaghetti the jets where about 4 inches above brush so dirt always came running down from stonework and vents above glass, and it used tons of water a 1000 litre tank lasted me and a lad about 3 hours i only had it a week and sent it back, the only reason i tried it again was many of my jobs where now saying i couldnt use ladders so i had no alternative and when i bought one again it was totally different and worked really well so fair play to ionic for sticking at it and ironing out all the problems whilst getting massive oposition to it , i still do the occasional job where the results arent brilliant for certain reasons but i can usually tell which jobs these will be and allow in my price to do an secondary clean to get them right.
so for any who critisized wfp at first i would say they where right but things have moved on a lot and the equipment available now if used properly does do a good job.
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Nice to see you bacl Tam!
Told you last time at Portsmouth that the FED was a bit too political, self serving and that I wouldnt have fitted in at all!
Like to get things done, not just talk!
Best Of British!
Regards,
Rob
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The Guild will come out on top soon me thinks. ;) Real people in the real world. ;)
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The Guild will come out on top soon me thinks. ;) Real people in the real world. ;)
They need to get the right backing and the right people in the right places first, but they are getting bigger thats for sure, which is good,
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The Guild will come out on top soon me thinks. ;) Real people in the real world. ;)
wait till dave see this, i feel a rant around the corner ;D ;D
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moffat, your not the one off The Wheeltappers and Shunters commitee are you. ;D ;D
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Yes real people not plastic ones like me
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Yes real people not plastic ones like me
that aint no rant
come on dave, we rely on you now that glyn has gone
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Yes real people not plastic ones like me
that aint no rant
come on dave, we rely on you now that glyn has gone
;D ;D ;D ;D
We need real people who at least have the capability of organising a round or two!
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Yes real people not plastic ones like me
that aint no rant
come on dave, we rely on you now that glyn has gone
;D ;D ;D ;D
We need real people who at least have the capability of organising a round or two!
;D ;D