Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mr Dvae on December 03, 2009, 08:26:12 am
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Well that' it, i've just spent a day and a half cleaning carpets with a portable machine and have been asking myself how on earth do you guys put up with these dam things?
Fetching and carrying water, emptying the machine, lugging it up & down stairs, waiting for the water to heat, finding somewhere to park your van and then walking all the way back to the premisis to start cleaning the carpets.
and i haven't even begun to talk about switching on the machine yet!
If you got a job at mcdonalds working the same hours i'd like to bet you'd be better off, not to mention ending up at the osteopaths because you.ve screwed up your back.
To be honest portable machines are HARD WORK and not very good at cleaning carpets, sure they make them look clean but when you look closely after spending 2 hours cleaning 1 sq yrd of carpet to find there's still dirt coming out i'm about ready to sling this thing out of the window.
Now wonder dave ingram is pushing his new truckmount, he knows whats best for us guys.
Knackered Dave.
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You talk crap mate.
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I worked with a portable for years, doing 5-6 hours a day averaging £250 a day. If your organised and used to it then its the norm.
Mark
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I think it depends on what machine you been using Dave.
I dont have a problem with non clean carpets with the Scorpion, and I dont wait for the heat cause I use an inline heater.
Having a porty powerful enough so it can be left in the van, do auto fill and auto dump (new devices out from Solutions now), get remote control for the on/off of power - that is the way to go if you want a porty.
However, as you know I have a TM and I dont miss the bucketing one bit. It was a real pain in the back side. Whole job is a lot easier.
For those that dont know, I bought my first TM off Dave19 months ago, Mike Osbourne now has it - and I believe its earning him good money - and I have the 15hp Prowler.
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What portable are you using.
Well that' it, i've just spent a day and a half cleaning carpets with a portable machine and have been asking myself how on earth do you guys put up with these dam things?
Fetching and carrying water, emptying the machine, lugging it up & down stairs, waiting for the water to heat, finding somewhere to park your van and then walking all the way back to the premisis to start cleaning the carpets.
and i haven't even begun to talk about switching on the machine yet!
If you got a job at mcdonalds working the same hours i'd like to bet you'd be better off, not to mention ending up at the osteopaths because you.ve screwed up your back.
To be honest portable machines are HARD WORK and not very good at cleaning carpets, sure they make them look clean but when you look closely after spending 2 hours cleaning 1 sq yrd of carpet to find there's still dirt coming out i'm about ready to sling this thing out of the window.
Now wonder dave ingram is pushing his new truckmount, he knows whats best for us guys.
Knackered Dave.
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Possibly the silliest post ive ever seen on these forums for a long while!
Ok here goes....
Well that' it, i've just spent a day and a half cleaning carpets with a portable machine and have been asking myself how on earth do you guys put up with these dam things?
Fetching and carrying water -3 BUCKETS WILL DO MOST UPSTAIRS AND H/S/L FOR ME SO NOT THAT MUCH OF A HASSLE FILLING 3 BUCKETS IS IT?, emptying the machine -TAKES SECONDS TO DO, PUT BUCKET UNDER MACHINE, FILL BUCKET, EMPTY DOWN TOILET OR OUTDOOR DRAIN-, lugging it up & down stairs -A 15 METER HOSE WILL DO MOST UPSTAIRS SO THERE IS NO NEED TO BE 'LUGGING' THE MACHINE UPSTAIRS IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT-, waiting for the water to heat -CUSTOMER SHOULD ALREADY HAVE HEATING ON IF INSTRUCTED ON TELEPHONE WHILST BOOKING THEM IN. FAILING THAT I USE AN INLINE WATER HEATER WHICH ELIMINATES THE NEED TO WAIT IN MOST CASES-, finding somewhere to park your van and then walking all the way back to the premisis to start cleaning the carpets. -MOST DOMESTIC PROPERTIES HAVE DRIVES SO PARKING OUTSIDE SHOULD NOT BE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM IN MOST AREAS SO CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM THERE??-and i haven't even begun to talk about switching on the machine yet! -WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING THAT MAKES SWITCHING IT ON THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM FOR YOU?-
If you got a job at mcdonalds working the same hours i'd like to bet you'd be better off, not to mention ending up at the osteopaths because you.ve screwed up your back.
To be honest portable machines are HARD WORK and not very good at cleaning carpets -UTTER GARBAGE-, sure they make them look clean but when you look closely after spending 2 hours cleaning 1 sq yrd of carpet to find there's still dirt coming out i'm about ready to sling this thing out of the window.
Now wonder dave ingram is pushing his new truckmount, he knows whats best for us guys.
SORRY MATE NO OFFENCE BUT YOU ARE WELL OUT OF ORDER!
JOHN
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Don't you have a Prowler or other TM?
Why couldn't you use it?
Answered my own question I think: finding somewhere to park your van and then walking all the way back to the premisis to start cleaning the carpets.
I guess you couldn't get close enough.
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;D me, i'm thick as two short ones I am
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Hi Guys,
Can we keep this friendly and desist from pointless digs.
It's an interesting subject and there is no doubt a well organised porty user can reach the sort of income a TM'er does but it is harder and you notice this more as you get older.
A fit youngish man like Clinton can no doubt cope with the physical side as I was able to do but I wouldn't swap my TM now.
Cheers
Doug
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Dave, Mr Dvae that is, is an experianced TMer with a high powered machine. It is difficult to step back to a porty after you been using a TM, just glad I have a high powered porty to fall back to.
Sounds like a circumstance has occured where Dave needed to use a porty. Whether this is a backup machine or a borrowed machine I dont know, but it would be interesting to hear what sort of machine it was.
Over to you Dave.
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"A fit youngish man like Clinton" What age is that, or do you mean fit in another term?
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ooh young man. Clinton's a male escort after 2pm, that`s how he`s got all his money.
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Spot on Joe, and thankyou for your understanding, i was merely complaining about how hard us guys have to work for our money but it seems some people have taken it personally.
i didn't wish to offend the readers of this board, but if one can't express their thoughts without fear of repocussions then what are we all doing here/???
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Clinton must be young he has hair.
I used too much wash and go in my younger days.
Im not gettin into the tm / portable thing but i caress my prowler every evening before wrapping in a duvet and rub my hands down its silky metalic deep red paint work :-*
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Rubbish ! i made over £800 yesterday on two jobs with my crappy porty ! £300 today and a £40 tip ! As she was so impressed with how i got her carpets looking,the last carpet cleaner she used had a t/m and badly shrunk her 2 grand lounge carpet !
First thing she said is your not going to shrink it are you ! Cue alarm bells ! All went very well though,bagged myself 2 people who will have me back reg over 2 days.Machine is runni9ng like new though at the mo,whichj does help,have stripped it down and removerd all the crap inside the pipes etc
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Clinton must be young he has hair.
Schhh it's a wig. :o ;) :D
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All your secrets are out now Clinton - or is there more ;D
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I`ll inspect you rug now missus. ;) oh its a brasilian.
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Merkins a specialty. ;D ;D :D
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I used a porti in the summer it was a high end one with 3 motors, what I did find is that you clean differently with a TM, you do actually pre spray less and rinse more and that's why going from TM to porti means that you go through more water, when you are porty you do make the pre treatments work better/harder before you start to rinse.
Mr Dvae you have just changed your technique since you last had a porty that's all.
Shaun
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How far away from a house can you use a truckmount? ie when would you swap over to a portable?
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I mainly do domestics and I usually use 100ft but the things I would look at is how dirty the carpet is and how much of it there is as if there's loads of carpet and/or it's very dirt I would do my very best to make it reach as it can cut through just about any degree of soiling fast.
Shaun
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I've only ever used a portable and i don't carry mine upstairs as it is too heavy - that's why i bought a 50 foot hose for it.
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ok so we all know how to clean carpets??? have u ever put the old demo box on top of the sebo to see all the dirt come out of the carpet after its been cleaned by someone else?
Dave
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Just incase i missed it , what portable was it Dave.?
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Carpets that are lightly soiled i would say you can work nearly as quick with a top of the range porty as you can a TM. When the soil gets heavier this is where the TMs leave the portys behind.
Richie.
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Shaun,
I do a lot of terraced houses where you have to wheel a portable to the outside of the house. round grass areas. I have this idea of wanding away when the wand is jerked out of your hand and you see it bouncing down the street behind the van, leaving in a hurry :o.
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Surely theres more chance of someone running off down the street with your portable? It's on wheels after all and you don't need to hotwire it!
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Hello
Clinton, which portable do you run from the van?, and do you have a fixed hose reel in the van?
just interested as i am about to get another van,
regards
Mr B
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Hi brian
I run the alltec 2 vac machine as a van set up.
Also have an on board water tank and have a 12v pump run from an auxilary socket that is in the rear of the van so i can pump fresh water from the water tank into the machine..
With the hoses i just have 2 x 7.5 that i hang on the bulkhead and the other 2 x 16 metre that go in the rear of the van.Thought about a hose reel but think it might take up more room.
Il try and get some pictures done.
Its all in a citreon dispatch van.
What van are you getting brian ???
cheers clinton
Hi Clinton sounds an intersting concept.
What about power to the machine. Is that run from the clients electricity or do you have a generator on board?
Pictures would be great.
cheers
Dave
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Hi brian
I run the alltec 2 vac machine as a van set up.
Has someone nicked a vac motor Clinton ???
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Glad someone has the money to go shopping :(
Looking to buy a 10" notebook - any one got one they can recomend.?
Samsung NC10 looks good.
Looking for a good price.
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Glad someone has the money to go shopping :(
Looking to buy a 10" notebook - any one got one they can recomend.?
Samsung NC10 looks good.
Looking for a good price.
£269 at Dixons with free delivery
http://www.dixons.co.uk/product.php?sku=641083
Then claim £20 cashback from Samsung
http://www.samsung.com/uk/nc10cashback/
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Looked a good price with the discount Dennis.
Maybe I have read it wrong but it looks like the £20 discount offer ended last Friday 4th Dec :(
Have you got one Dennis?
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Shame about £20, every little helps. ;)
Not got a netbook, have an HP530 laptop.
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hi clinton
i just saw at auction a few fiat scudo actually, they are goiing for around 8k for a 2008 model,
but i really love the new caddy LWB van...but its dear!!!
regards
Mr B
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Hi Clinton
it's funny about the scudo, it was only when I had one on hire fir a day I was amazed it went in the garage, although we are quite lucky as it's 9'2" wide.
Will check out the caddys exterior dimensions carefully!!!
Mr B
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Hi Clinton
when will we get some groovey pictures of your setup?
Dave
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I am thinking of getting a despatch in the new year.
Looks like pleny of room.
Whats the reliability like?
Dave
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Clinton you might recall I mentioned how much room the hose takes up in another thread, could you get a reel in there? Nice set up ;D
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Hi Clinton
Did you fit the auto pump out to your Advance machine?
Adrian
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Clinton. IMO the auto pump is worth its weight in gold!! On big jobs it saves loads of time not having to go back to the machine because it's shut it's self down. Who know's, you may even be home by midday.
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Hey Clinton its a lot more tidy than mine! :P
and you have a proper spotter box im jealous.
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Hi adrian
No didnt have one fitted,well as yet as i just empty with a hose that i made from an old hose i had either into a bucket or into the clients waste drain.
Kev loomes gave me that idea as he used that with his van set up :)
cheers
I use an old hose for flushing machine waste tank at home, could not be bothered to unload it ;D Done a couple of small jobs with the Airflex triple on board using 25ltr containers, now bending my thoughts to a decent van mount, with a prowler uppermost in my thoughts for late next year. Always left my Alltec twin outside but have to say these triple vacs with 2" hose really are a treat 8)
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;D ;D And a hose reel etc etc etc. My view is when the time comes I should be able to just slide a TM in, job done. Where did you get your tank from?
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Andrew ;D
Well i always keep my stuff tidy lol prob that ocd thing ;D
Got the spotter box from joe for a good price and was as new ;D
Must say got the idea from lord dave ingram with the storage on the rear doors ;D
Wonder if anyone has more untidy lookin van than mine, i didnt think it was too bad!
Your set up looks good beats lifting the machine out, drove me nuts i used to carry 25ltr tubs for water and they got heavy at end of day.
I want a proper spotter case for christmas as the asda basket is a bit passe this year ;D
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With the porty in the van do you have to leave the van open whilst working? And I assume you run an extension lead from the house to the van?
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Ta :)
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Clinton,
Very nice setup indeed.
After looking more closely at your steup Clinton. I notice you have two extension leads on the rear doors.
I was on a job the other day and I had to use my extensionlead. Now I was working away, then the machine cut out. "I thought the machine had died" also thought thats a bit embarrasing. But it was my extension lead that got hot and burnt out.
And yes the lead was fully unwound. So I wondered if you are using some special rated extension leads?
Simon,
I was interested in the turbo machine you have, if I am right that is from Cleansmart. Do you rate them, would you buy it again? What PSI do you have?
I am not that technical when it comes to the specifications of all machines but the portable keep trying to match the power of a TM, So as far as I am aware portable the modern ones are matching on psi now,Still I only thought you needed such high psi for hard surface clesaning not for carpets, but what about the actual suction... what is different there between the portable and TM (modern ones - uptodate).
Cheers
Dave
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Probably best if the extension leads were 16amp and not the standard 13 amp.
and yes, you are right to fully extend them when in use.
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Hi Joe,
16amp would then be a different connector would it not. It wont be your standard 3 pin domestic socket will it?
Ive had a look on line and telephone a couple of companys but the say it wont be a domestic 3 pin socket.
Any ideas?
Dave
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Buy the cable, put your own plug/socket on it.
I have seen the cable in some of the bigger DIY places.
Its more heavy duty, think you loose something over longer cable, and of course its more durable.
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I do as Joe says, get the equivalent of the 3rd one down on the linked page (20 amps) in yellow and put a rubber plug one end and rubber socket the other.
Being yellow it's also more noticeable on the floor and you can get the length which suits you best.
http://www.csedistributors.com/acatalog/Arctic-Cable-3183.html#a1320
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Dennis,
Thanks very much indeed.
Cheers
Dave
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Hi Clinton
Where did you get your extension reels from? Only way forward for me at present is to make my own extension leads
Dave
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One or two points brought up in this thread.
I make up my own extensions using 2.5mm cable (high visibility yellow). I carry a pair of 30ft for most uses and a pair of 80ft for longer runs. Always uncoil extensions fully. The heavier duty the cables, the longer the run with minimal losses. I think these cables are rated above 20 amps and I bought a 100metre roll from B&Q for a little over £80.
When running my Scorpion van mount, I run the hoses and cable under the door which will allow it to almost completely close in rain conditions. I can also use a cycle lock to tie the two doors together, or if security isn't a major concern, use a linkstrap or bungee. To minimise the heat/moisture build up in the van, I would only close the door if essential. Working like this for over a year hasn't presented any problems to date.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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Hi Ken,
Excuse my ignorence here but what is that plastic clear water jug thing connecting the suction hose?
Is it some kind of secret weapon?
Dave
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Dave
Its an inline filter. Easy to catch big bits and bin them before they get to the machine.
Ken - re the filter. Have you noticed any detriment in going from 2" to 1.5" and back again, as opposed to a straight 2" hose all the way.
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So it catch's the dirt etc. So Does it save your machine in anyway..
So far just more stuff to clean at the end of the day.
Dave
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Dave
The auxilliary tanks, as with T/M tanks, can be a bit of a pain to clean all the fluff out, so the inline filter catches virtually all the fibrous material. OK, the 30 seconds or so it takes to empty the filter is a pain, but much better than the alternative. There are other superior filters on the market but this works fine for me. I now just clean my aux. tank out once a week. It doesn't "save the machine" in anyway.
Joe
I only use 2" hose, straight to the wand, with just a 3ft whip for hand tools. The filter takes 2" cuffs both ends.
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Cheers Ken.
I wont bother getting one just yet then.
Dave
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Simon,
I was interested in the turbo machine you have, if I am right that is from Cleansmart. Do you rate them, would you buy it again? What PSI do you have?
I am not that technical when it comes to the specifications of all machines but the portable keep trying to match the power of a TM, So as far as I am aware portable the modern ones are matching on psi now,Still I only thought you needed such high psi for hard surface clesaning not for carpets, but what about the actual suction... what is different there between the portable and TM (modern ones - uptodate).
Cheers
Dave
Yes the Airflex came from Matt at Cleansmart. I am very happy with the machine both it's performance and build quality. On PSI. The pump is 600 psi but frankly you don't need it for carpets, did a really dirty pub & restaurant and was running at 250/300 which was more than enough, comparing this to my Alltec pro twin vac fitted with a 135 psi pump, (great machine) it's completely different. Same with the triple vacs even with the higher psi carpets are drier even at over 100ft. I don't understand the theory but with 2" hose it does make the job easier. I can't really compare it it with a TM as I don't have one but I would suggest all but an entry level TM is more powerful than any portie as we are limited to domestic circuits. If the question is would I upgrade to a triple/high psi yes I would do it again and yes it would be an Airflex. If you are considering it give Matt a ring and go and try it that's what I did. I plan on adding a prowler next year but my main problem is with my biggest clients a TM is not an option so I upgraded my portable.
Simon
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The theory of 2" hose as you put it is, 1 1/2" hose can flow at maximum 230 CFM.
So with a vac' optomised machine having a maximum of about 120CFM there is no restriction.
With an air optomised machine ie vac's in parallel each vacuum flows about 110 CFM, therefore
with 3 vac's the flow is throttled.
2" hose flows about 400 CFM.
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Portables that give upto 600psi water is at a low flow rate however, even a entry level TM gives upto 1000psi at a flow rate of over 10 litres per minute. So if you set a portable at 600psi and a TM at 300 psi the water pressure from the truckmount even at half the psi will be more agrresive due to the higher flow rate. The positive displacement vac blowers on a TM are worlds apart from the even best of the best vac motors of any portable. The vac blower on a TM are designed to run night and day with very little servicing required (oil & grease about every 600 hrs). Vac motors from a porty will never have the life of the blower from a TM. Entry level TMs will as the manufacture states run upto 250 feet of vac hose, i have run a entry level TM at 350 feet of hose and still had plenty of power at the wand. Remember all the noise apart from the air flow at the wand is outside when using a TM and everything goes to the tank on the van (unless usin a Prowler)
Richie.
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I can't really compare it it with a TM as I don't have one but I would suggest all but an entry level TM is more powerful than any portie as we are limited to domestic circuits.
Simon
Simon
You said the above, then later you say you thinking of getting a Prowler sometime in the nearish future.
If you mean the 13hp Prowler, isnt that an "entry level" porty,
Seems contradictory.
Have you tried a Prowler?
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Joe,
No have not tried a prowler, as you have would you say the prowler is more powerful than a scorpion? I made it clear I don't have a TM, however as far as the triple vac porties manufactures go they compare them to entry level TMs. Can't say I consider the prowler entry level, obviously you do, not contradictory at all those that have used prowlers consider them more powerful than any portable.
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Hi Simon
As far as I know the 13hp is the smallest tm available new today (but maybe wrong), thats why I raised it.
Yes, I have a Scorpion, 3 vac, but mines a earlier one with 300psi pump.
Scorpion is about half the price of the Prowler......... so is the Prowler as a entry level machine worth twice as much.
I dont know the answer to that as I have not had it long so dont know long term costs.
What I will say is.... if you can afford a 3 vac machine then get one, I love the Scorpion.
If you can afford a Prowler or the next machine up - the Pheonix then get one.
If the type of work you do allows you to use a tm majority of the time then you will benefit.
When I say "if you can afford"..... if you have a decent carpet cleaning business then get one - even if you have to finance it - it will pay for itself - be it 3 vac or tm.
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iv not used any tm other than the prowler, one of the things i like about the prowler is the ease of cleaning the filter, easy to access and because there is no waste tank obviously no cleaning of that or smell.
On a large job the filter on the prowler may need cleaning a couple of times for maximum vacuum, i wire brush mine after every job and rinse it out under a hose tap after the last job, sometmes use inline sprayer to rinse it out too.
I had a prochem powermax before the prowler and the difference is massive but i did get good reults with it just lots more mecanical agitation (sebo duo) and dwell time for prespray and going over the carpet more with wand to rinse and dry.
I could not go back to the prochem now, i think for joe using a top end porti the difference isnt as great.
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Richie has given a good explanation to demonstrate why a T/M blower is superior to a porty with apparently similar (or even greater) air flow specs.
I tend to describe the difference in a slightly different way to Richie though. All that even the highest spec porty does is suck air. That air will carry some water within it. You have to keep lifting the wand off the carpet to let extra air into the system to carry away the water you've just sucked out the carpet.
A T/M blower will suck any fluid. It doesn't matter whether its air or water, it will suck the lot. No problem. Fill a bucket with water and a blower will take the lot no problem. Try it with any porty and you'll have to keep pulling the hose out to let more air in, because it's the air that takes the water, not the vac motor.
I'm confusing myself now!!!
Safe and happy sucking :)
The Ken
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So if you set a portable at 600psi and a TM at 300 psi the water pressure from the truckmount even at half the psi will be more aggressive due to the higher flow rate.
this is slightly wrong, the flow is set by the jets so using the same wand the psi & flow will be exactly the same. how the T/M would have an advantage is it has the higher capacity to use bigger jets so if you set the psi to 600 on both the T/M & the portable it would have the same flow using a 02 +02 +02 jet wand.
but the T/M could use a 04 +04 +04 jet wand, were the portable couldn't give enough flow
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In my mind I imagine the TM has more power to push a greater amount of water through the jets quicker, hence greater volume.
So you also get more energy transferred to the carpet.
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I sort of agree with you Mike and also I don't ???
Lets say we have an 02 jet. This will pass 0.02 of a US gallon @ 40 psi. Increase the flow and the pressure of the pump and the jet will allow more water through.
A porty running @. say, 300psi will allow, say, 3 litres a minute. A T/M @ 300psi will allow, say, 6 litres a minute.
I don't know at what point an 02 jet would reach it's maximum flow.
From my own crude tests with my porty, my wand doesn't allow any greater flow once I get over 250 psi, even at 300, 400 and 500psi, the flow per minute was exactly the same. A T/M pump with it's much greater flow will move the perfomance envelope on quite a bit.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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Ken
Surely a vacuum is a vacuum whether Tm or portable, the only difference being
the power of the lift created by the vacuum.
Both systems create a vacuum in the hose through which water, air and any other
crap in the vicinity of the orifice get drawn up due to atmospheric pressure.
So there not actually sucking, the higher air pressure outside the vacuum is shoving
the water and whatever up the hose.
That's what I thought re vacs.
John
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A porty running @. say, 300psi will allow, say, 3 litres a minute. A T/M @ 300psi will allow, say, 6 litres a minute
ken you are wrong, using the same jets the flow will be exactly the same, its like saying a Juggernaut travelling at 50mph will be moving faster than a Robin reliant travelling at 50mph. size has nothing to do with it. the unit of measure is PSI which is the same until you exceed the pump flow capacity
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John,
Imagine a train and a motorcycle both travelling at 50mph. Imagine they both hit a brick wall.
The difference in effect of the brick wall on moving vehicles is something like the difference between electric vac motors and TM blowers.
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On a large job the filter on the prowler may need cleaning a couple of times for maximum vacuum, i wire brush mine after every job and rinse it out under a hose tap after the last job, sometmes use inline sprayer to rinse it out too.
Fro the Prowler owners
Here is what I use over the filter.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/15-Denier-Pop-Socks-20-pairs-choice-of-6-colours_W0QQitemZ220516212207QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Women_s_Underwear_Design_2?var=&hash=item79127b0d76#ht_609wt_939
Means I dont have to brush the debri from the filter grooves - just pull it away if it is carpet fibre, or wash it off with a garden hose.
20 pairs for £6.75 inc postage is cheap.
Only problem is they came in a package addressed to Mr Joe Hatton etc and had "The Tight Shop" all over it - wondered why the postie was smilng. ;D
Clinton always wears them on Saturday nights ;)
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You're a crank Joe..... Laughing my head off here ;D ;D ;D
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What Jim is talking about is Velocity. Fluid travelling through a jet has its velocity determined by how fast the pump can replace the water that has been ejected. Pressure on most machines is measured at the pump or shortly after it. The vlocity is the speed in which that water exits the jet. Therefore different pumps will create more velocity at the jet even at the same psi.
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Mike, the point i was making is this....If you run a porty at 600psi and a TM at 300 psi using the same wand, you will see and feel the differnce of the water coming from the wand. The TM has a much much greater flow rate. I have actually ran a porty at 500psi & a TM at 300 psi and there was a MASSIVE difference. The flow from the jets on the TM is much harsher.
Richie.
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You can talk all you want about capacity for power work done/time, momentum, jets acting as flow rate restrictors, but the answer is.
Get a truckmount if you can afford one because it's better all round, end off. Don't add science to the list of justifications for using a portable.
As Dave said when he started the thread you can get a new TM that's small and relatively cheap these days and is well within the grasp of the average carpet cleaner.
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Good post Mike
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On a large job the filter on the prowler may need cleaning a couple of times for maximum vacuum, i wire brush mine after every job and rinse it out under a hose tap after the last job, sometmes use inline sprayer to rinse it out too.
Fro the Prowler owners
Here is what I use over the filter.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/15-Denier-Pop-Socks-20-pairs-choice-of-6-colours_W0QQitemZ220516212207QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Women_s_Underwear_Design_2?var=&hash=item79127b0d76#ht_609wt_939
Means I dont have to brush the debri from the filter grooves - just pull it away if it is carpet fibre, or wash it off with a garden hose.
20 pairs for £6.75 inc postage is cheap.
Only problem is they came in a package addressed to Mr Joe Hatton etc and had "The Tight Shop" all over it - wondered why the postie was smilng. ;D
Clinton always wears them on Saturday nights ;)
Nice one joe ;D
I was disappointed no red colour to match the prowler and the mink is out of stock so gone for safe black
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I see Hydramaster arent selling the Raptor anymore wonder why there new porty is 600psi dosent say how many vacs or if it has a heater or not.