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Title: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 04:43:58 pm
Well, thanks for your help so far, guys, this is the product of an afternoon of work and its only the first draft.

http://abcwindowcleaning.services.officelive.com/default.aspx

Please ignore some of the photos, I've just stuck them there till I replace them with better ones; particuarly in the 'About Us' area!

I haven't went through it with a fine tooth-comb for spelling and grammar mistakes, but any constructive critisism (or good old urine extraction  ;D) would be much appreciated.

Thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: dd on November 29, 2009, 04:49:49 pm
Looks good, though personally would not have your photo with the blow up doll, may put some customers off.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 04:52:25 pm
Looks good, though personally would not have your photo with the blow up doll, may put some customers off.

That was just a little joke!  I plan to get some nice ones of us taken in work uniform!  ;D

Its not on line yet, I've just purchased the domain name, and even when it is I want it more as a brochure to put on my stationery, leaflets and mail shots.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: jeff1 on November 29, 2009, 04:55:28 pm
Looking good for an afternoons work Tosh  ;)
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 05:13:09 pm
You dont look like a Ken, much more a Helen in my eyes  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Clive McDonald on November 29, 2009, 05:17:55 pm
You mean you did the website site yourself don't you, not that you've put a DIY site up to rival Matt's as the thread title states.

I thought it pretty good.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Blue Frog Systems on November 29, 2009, 05:28:09 pm
I'd take out the consider cleaning part... seems like your picky (you may be, but you dont want the customers to know that ;)  )

How about having a page for windy cleaning, another for conservatorys & fascias
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2009, 05:28:55 pm
Looks nice mate, I've seen paid for ones that look a lot worse !

I like Microsoft office live for free websites, very easy to use.  
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy) on November 29, 2009, 05:32:06 pm
well done ken....but who the heck is that in the pic....you know the one where you are sitting on that geezers shoulders...who is he
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 05:35:00 pm
Tosh yours is on par with matt batemans site.

needs the seo done as there is none/limited

Few pics do not fall into the trap matt has of adding water drips. slapsh and moving rubbish ect as they are so 2001/2203 and proved to be an anoying addition to a website (Matt thats why they are there right you player you..)

Keep simple pics that speak for you, and do not add thing that detract from what you are doing.

These are the tips I would give, seo after you are ready to go it live, welcoem to call me by the way tosh at no cost ;)

Ian
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: South Coast Cleaning Services on November 29, 2009, 05:38:09 pm
Im sure ive seen you from some where.......... Takeshis castle or ninja warrior  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 05:38:42 pm
Looks nice mate, I've seen paid for ones that look a lot worse !

I like Microsoft office live for free websites, very easy to use.  
just rubbish results , hence why people pay  :P

Look is rarely the key to a good website, all the readers that know nowing about design and or marketing: this is a tip for you!. Free to start is not always the cheapest option ;)

See this happen 10 years ago and see the same thing in a couple of year happening again from this site alone......

I will still be here to listen to these post about it not working  ::)
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 05:43:01 pm
I'd take out the consider cleaning part... seems like your picky (you may be, but you dont want the customers to know that ;)  )

How about having a page for windy cleaning, another for conservatorys & fascias

I'll remove the 'consider', but I really want to keep the number of pages down to a bare minimum.  Thanks.

Tosh yours is on par with matt batemans site.

needs the seo  done as there is none/limited

Hi Ian, what's the 'seo'?

Im sure ive seen you from some where.......... Takeshis castle or ninja warrior  ;D

Crimewatch maybe?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 06:02:28 pm
I'd take out the consider cleaning part... seems like your picky (you may be, but you dont want the customers to know that ;)  )

How about having a page for windy cleaning, another for conservatorys & fascias

I'll remove the 'consider', but I really want to keep the number of pages down to a bare minimum.  Thanks.

Tosh yours is on par with matt batemans site.

needs the seo  done as there is none/limited

Hi Ian, what's the 'seo'?

Im sure ive seen you from some where.......... Takeshis castle or ninja warrior  ;D

Crimewatch maybe?
at the mo your site is like a needle in a haystack the size of the uk, no chance it will be found unless you type in your domain name( domain name is the web address mine is windowwashers.co.uk )


SEO mean Search engine optimisation which means in short if you dont have it tyour site will not work, will look good maybe, but will not give what you want, this is back end stuff in the source code of a website the part people do not see in the most pat.

To many idiots think they know about sites yet do not do this this means they do not have a clue wat they are talking about.



As I said your welcome to call me and I will help you out and may keep you off my back for a wghile :D

Just dont call tomorrow as I am at my m8's funeral and will be away all day traveling :(
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2009, 06:03:03 pm
Looks nice mate, I've seen paid for ones that look a lot worse !

I like Microsoft office live for free websites, very easy to use.  
just rubbish results , hence why people pay  :P

Look is rarely the key to a good website, all the readers that know nowing about design and or marketing: this is a tip for you!. Free to start is not always the cheapest option ;)

See this happen 10 years ago and see the same thing in a couple of year happening again from this site alone......

I will still be here to listen to these post about it not working  ::)


A lot of these now have Meta tags and good SEO options now, not like it used to be.  And places like Mr.Sites £35 website usually gets good ranking if you set up the meta tags. 

For free, maybe they don't want a huge amount of work to flow from it, just as a reference online to link to from other places.  So as for it working, then depends what they see as "working"  They've built it for free, so won't be expecting the phone to ring off the hook with enquiries the next day hopefully.

My free window cleaning site gets 4th for a local search, not because of the SEO, but because of where I placed it - on Vivastreet.   So it does depend on where you list the site also.  You can get 2, 3 or 4th for a local search that isn't a direct site link, but a linki through a free listing on maybe google business maps, vivastreet, Myfreeindex, gumtree, Yell.com, ablewise, freeclassifieds etc. etc.

I have free built simple sites that I've done on microsoft live -  http://www.dillonprojects.co.uk/
And on Moonfruit  - http://windowcleaners.mfbiz.com

Both these do well on enquiries, becasue of where I've listed the actual business/website, not because of SEO.

Just a few days ago I launched a new free built Car Care Blog -  http://carcarematters.blogspot.com/  that's already had over 100 hits in 2 days, No SEO done on that obviously, just where it's linked from.

To anyone using free website applications, make sure you set up Google Analytics, then you can monitor your hits, where they're coming from, where the person clicking lives (to the city), original hits, all sorts, very useful and free too -   http://www.google.com/analytics/


Reading post after post on this forum is like no other forum I use, loads of nit picking replies all the time, what's up with people ! Most don't seem to be able to just give an encouraging reply without having a go.  Is there no moderation  here to keep it friendly.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2009, 06:14:41 pm


To many idiots think they know about sites yet do not do this this means they do not have a clue wat they are talking about.







Maybe they're not idiots, just missguided, or wrong.  Why not say " too many people are wrong........."    NO, say " too many idiots..........."

It's offensive to call people you don't know "idiots" just because they might be wrong on a subject.
I'd call someone doing something dangerous or aggressive to someone, something like that an "idiot"  , but someone who's just wrong and doesn't know it, just trying to help, harmless, is not an idiot, just wrong. 

Using terminology like that is how aggressive arguments start on forums, and in person.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 06:15:02 pm
at the mo your site is like a needle in a haystack the size of the uk, no chance it will be found unless you type in your domain name( domain name is the web address mine is windowwashers.co.uk )


SEO mean Search engine optimisation which means in short if you dont have it tyour site will not work, will look good maybe, but will not give what you want, this is back end stuff in the source code of a website the part people do not see in the most pat.

To many idiots think they know about sites yet do not do this this means they do not have a clue wat they are talking about.



As I said your welcome to call me and I will help you out and may keep you off my back for a wghile :D

Just dont call tomorrow as I am at my m8's funeral and will be away all day traveling :(

Cheers!  I may give you a call!  I have actually had an e-commerce review a few years back by some internet guru that would've cost me about £400 at the time.  I've got this 25 page report I haven't really done much with:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/d7dc70b3.jpg)

I should really read it, shouldn't I?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Clive McDonald on November 29, 2009, 06:15:52 pm
We ate the last moderater, and the one before that is the one who's website is getting a good kicking.We're like new york, in that we have both some of the highest homicide and tourism rates both at the same time.We are the bronx of forums and anyone who can make it here can make it anywhere. ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2009, 06:16:53 pm
I'd take out the consider cleaning part... seems like your picky (you may be, but you dont want the customers to know that ;)  )

How about having a page for windy cleaning, another for conservatorys & fascias

I'll remove the 'consider', but I really want to keep the number of pages down to a bare minimum.  Thanks.

Tosh yours is on par with matt batemans site.

needs the seo  done as there is none/limited

Hi Ian, what's the 'seo'?

Im sure ive seen you from some where.......... Takeshis castle or ninja warrior  ;D

Crimewatch maybe?
at the mo your site is like a needle in a haystack the size of the uk, no chance it will be found unless you type in your domain name( domain name is the web address mine is windowwashers.co.uk )


SEO mean Search engine optimisation which means in short if you dont have it tyour site will not work, will look good maybe, but will not give what you want, this is back end stuff in the source code of a website the part people do not see in the most pat.

To many idiots think they know about sites yet do not do this this means they do not have a clue wat they are talking about.



As I said your welcome to call me and I will help you out and may keep you off my back for a wghile :D

Just dont call tomorrow as I am at my m8's funeral and will be away all day traveling :(



In fact, don't you run a site that people can link to ?  Meaning they could link their free site to you and get good results with no SEO at all ?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 06:21:36 pm


Few pics do not fall into the trap matt has of adding water drips. slapsh and moving rubbish ect as they are so 2001/2203 and proved to be an anoying addition to a website (Matt thats why they are there right you player you..)



Eh?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 06:30:34 pm


Few pics do not fall into the trap matt has of adding water drips. slapsh and moving rubbish ect as they are so 2001/2203 and proved to be an anoying addition to a website (Matt thats why they are there right you player you..)



Eh?
;D :P
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: ftp on November 29, 2009, 06:37:20 pm
Matt do you move much rubbish? My bin is full.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 06:56:20 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: ftp on November 29, 2009, 06:59:40 pm
I did but it all looked very slapsh dash to me and very poor metre taggers. You player you.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: JSMC on November 29, 2009, 07:00:18 pm
some good tips on here.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:04:37 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
I.m glad you cannot work out my seo Matt  ;) I do not have a problem with the calls I get from my site at all, if you would like to make a point please do because if there is a problem I will sort it out.

Or if your trying to be a smart ass please make this clear as today is not a good day for me.

Ian
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: p1w1 on November 29, 2009, 07:07:28 pm
perhaps were just all idiots ian  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 07:14:26 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
I.m glad you cannot work out my seo Matt  ;) I do not have a problem with the calls I get from my site at all, if you would like to make a point please do because if there is a problem I will sort it out.

Or if your trying to be a smart ass please make this clear as today is not a good day for me.

Ian

No its not a good day for me either actually, but then again, smart ass or not, you might like to read back through the thread to re-evaluate your take on things.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:21:24 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
I.m glad you cannot work out my seo Matt  ;) I do not have a problem with the calls I get from my site at all, if you would like to make a point please do because if there is a problem I will sort it out.

Or if your trying to be a smart ass please make this clear as today is not a good day for me.

Ian

No its not a good day for me either actually, but then again, smart ass or not, you might like to read back through the thread to re-evaluate your take on things.
I hijacked this tread Matt as you seem to be try to knock me for some reason, I am getting ready to leave to bury my m8 that was 30 years old so forgive me if I am short and blunt tonight. My sites work not technical but do work, I am shocked your knocking me on another post or that could have been a joke I do not know.

I do not know everythign by any means but I know enought to build online sales is all I will say.

I do try not to know other more help them if you read my post  I will help Tosh as I have 10's of people on here that call me, I get knocked for that also.

A not to happy today Ian
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Clive McDonald on November 29, 2009, 07:25:35 pm
Please try and stick to the point, which in case you had forgotten is slating Tosh.

I have to be honest i have never had a call off my website-ever-.

My other marketing is pretty strong, but perhaps i am missing out.

Do people really get work off websites?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Steve CM on November 29, 2009, 07:26:39 pm
Please try and stick to the point, which in case you had forgotten is slating Tosh.

I have to be honest i have never had a call off my website-ever-.

My other marketing is pretty strong, but perhaps i am missing out.

Do people really get work off websites?

Yes!
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:28:06 pm
Please try and stick to the point, which in case you had forgotten is slating Tosh.

I have to be honest i have never had a call off my website-ever-.

My other marketing is pretty strong, but perhaps i am missing out.

Do people really get work off websites?
I have spoken to you about this before Clive, you only get hot leads from a website, I'm a shocked at you as you normally quite good at stuff like this...
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on November 29, 2009, 07:30:04 pm
phone numbers xxx on the end
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:31:38 pm


Few pics do not fall into the trap matt has of adding water drips. slapsh and moving rubbish ect as they are so 2001/2203 and proved to be an anoying addition to a website (Matt thats why they are there right you player you..)



Eh?
Matt, I can never tell if you are being serious or not, you say about my site I do not know if you are serious or not, I guess not serious as I know my site works very very well for me and other. the images slash graphix ect on your site is ott I did say this when you first asked me about it, post is back somewhere on one of your other aliasis. hope that excplains it, sorry for being a little shirt.

Ian
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 07:33:02 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
I.m glad you cannot work out my seo Matt  ;) I do not have a problem with the calls I get from my site at all, if you would like to make a point please do because if there is a problem I will sort it out.

Or if your trying to be a smart ass please make this clear as today is not a good day for me.

Ian

No its not a good day for me either actually, but then again, smart ass or not, you might like to read back through the thread to re-evaluate your take on things.
I hijacked this tread Matt as you seem to be try to knock me for some reason, I am getting ready to leave to bury my m8 that was 30 years old so forgive me if I am short and blunt tonight. My sites work not technical but do work, I am shocked your knocking me on another post or that could have been a joke I do not know.

I do not know everythign by any means but I know enought to build online sales is all I will say.

I do try not to know other more help them if you read my post  I will help Tosh as I have 10's of people on here that call me, I get knocked for that also.

A not to happy today Ian

Im sorry about your mate Ian.


I am not trying to knock you Ian, I dont know where you got that idea from. I seem to remember some other post where I thought you reacted a little sensitively, is that what you are refering to?

I also had a bereavement recently, yesterday actually.

So far as I was concerned I was a little shocked to read on this thread that you thought I had stuck a load of rubbish on  my site, I took a little offence to that. However I tried to respond with jest but it became apparent that that wasnt appreciated.  

Regardless of what you think of my site, and that is apparent now, it also works.

I wish you the best for tomorrow, however hard it is going to be.

I have no wish to fall out over something that is just a little misunderstanding.

Im sure we wont.

Good luck tomorrow mate, sorry for your loss.


Matt

Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:39:29 pm
I'll be round shortly, once Ive sorted Ians website out for him.


Have you looked st his SEO recently, cant make head nor tail of it  ;D


By the way Tosh, if you want something to catch the potential customers eye and keep them on your site when they land on your front page, e-mail me I'll take you through how to have a bit of moving water on your web-page  ;)

Ive lost count of the number of new phone calls Ive had where theyve started off with 'I liked your site, so thought Id give you a call first'  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  ;D
I.m glad you cannot work out my seo Matt  ;) I do not have a problem with the calls I get from my site at all, if you would like to make a point please do because if there is a problem I will sort it out.

Or if your trying to be a smart ass please make this clear as today is not a good day for me.

Ian

No its not a good day for me either actually, but then again, smart ass or not, you might like to read back through the thread to re-evaluate your take on things.
I hijacked this tread Matt as you seem to be try to knock me for some reason, I am getting ready to leave to bury my m8 that was 30 years old so forgive me if I am short and blunt tonight. My sites work not technical but do work, I am shocked your knocking me on another post or that could have been a joke I do not know.

I do not know everythign by any means but I know enought to build online sales is all I will say.

I do try not to know other more help them if you read my post  I will help Tosh as I have 10's of people on here that call me, I get knocked for that also.

A not to happy today Ian

Im sorry about your mate Ian.


I am not trying to knock you Ian, I dont know where you got that idea from. I seem to remember some other post where I thought you reacted a little sensitively, is that what you are refering to?

I also had a bereavement recently, yesterday actually.

So far as I was concerned I was a little shocked to read on this thread that you thought I had stuck a load of rubbish on  my site, I took a little offence to that. However I tried to respond with jest but it became apparent that that wasnt appreciated.  

Regardless of what you think of my site, and that is apparent now, it also works.

I wish you the best for tomorrow, however hard it is going to be.


Matt


Matt am sorry to hear your loss also, it was another post that started me off I was in to minds but was playing on my mind, any way I guess I read that wrong, as for your site, I do think the images are way to much then I did say this a while back if you remember.

It is hard to tell sometimes if you are joking or not,

I am a little short today and I am sorry if I offended you at all I was as I was last time trying to help.


Ian
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 07:40:55 pm
(http://goingconcern.com/two%20thumbs%20up.jpeg)


Thats not me by the way.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:43:36 pm
(http://goingconcern.com/two%20thumbs%20up.jpeg)


Thats not me by the way.
is that because you dont wear a suit normally or what ?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 07:45:42 pm
No, my watch is on my left arm  ;D
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 07:46:30 pm
No, my watch is on my left arm  ;D
lol, thank just spat tea on my monitor
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 08:02:03 pm
when people search on google

google maps is allways on the top of the pile

submit it to that and your doing ok
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 08:02:32 pm
Goooood!

 ;D  ;D

Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 08:03:58 pm
when people search on google

google maps is allways on the top of the pile

submit it to that and your doing ok
do you really think people use this more than listing Matt ?
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 08:10:54 pm
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/washers.htm


here you are Ian, your logo  ;D


You can write what you want Im off to watch Lloyd get kicked off x-factor.
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 08:14:34 pm
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/washers.htm


here you are Ian, your logo  ;D


You can write what you want Im off to watch Lloyd get kicked off x-factor.
lol have to say  logo looks ok maybe a little pixalated try again 4/10  ;D think danyl should go but think lloyd will
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 08:16:31 pm
when people search on google

google maps is allways on the top of the pile

submit it to that and your doing ok
do you really think people use this more than listing Matt ?


top of the pile is still top of the pile

yes i honestly do, i "web master" for a electrical contractors site in london , he has 2 sites on the go ( both done by me ) 1 is on a free host and NEVER shows up on searches ( except google maps ) the google map moves about the top 10 sites to be in the top few, i know the split of people that visit the sites and e.mail and its very close

so yes i do think they do
Title: Re: This is draft 1 of my DIY website...
Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 08:26:13 pm
when people search on google

google maps is allways on the top of the pile

submit it to that and your doing ok
do you really think people use this more than listing Matt ?


top of the pile is still top of the pile

yes i honestly do, i "web master" for a electrical contractors site in london , he has 2 sites on the go ( both done by me ) 1 is on a free host and NEVER shows up on searches ( except google maps ) the google map moves about the top 10 sites to be in the top few, i know the split of people that visit the sites and e.mail and its very close

so yes i do think they do
each to there own, can I add one thing to theis Matt that sort of defeats what is said:

listing  natural work becauese not farmed or pid for, anyone with a little knowledge knows this, then paid listings, then free.


Do you really think as I said before the free map listing will work better than the listings ? as in the search listing, if you do you clearly dont have a clue what your taking about web master or not, and this would shock me as I hold you as quite clever at things like this even though we like to argue.

if they was that good google would charge do you not think  ::)
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 08:36:27 pm
when people search on google

google maps is allways on the top of the pile

submit it to that and your doing ok
do you really think people use this more than listing Matt ?


top of the pile is still top of the pile

yes i honestly do, i "web master" for a electrical contractors site in london , he has 2 sites on the go ( both done by me ) 1 is on a free host and NEVER shows up on searches ( except google maps ) the google map moves about the top 10 sites to be in the top few, i know the split of people that visit the sites and e.mail and its very close

so yes i do think they do
each to there own, can I add one thing to theis Matt that sort of defeats what is said:

listing  natural work becauese not farmed or pid for, anyone with a little knowledge knows this, then paid listings, then free.


Do you really think as I said before the free map listing will work better than the listings ? as in the search listing, if you do you clearly dont have a clue what your taking about web master or not, and this would shock me as I hold you as quite clever at things like this even though we like to argue.

if they was that good google would charge do you not think  ::)

i have just googled " window cleaner swanage "

just because i have been speaking to someone today about a campsite jut outside swanage

right here goes

the top 2 paid for ad's will get max exposure

then we have the google map with 7 pins

then we have 3 listing sites

then 4th is a legit site with SEO

now lets ignore the paid for ad's as most " man on the street window cleaners " will not pay google

so we have the google map to click on the links

i wonder how many hits the legit site thats 4th placed gets over the google map

now this electrical site i look after , i see and pass on all the e.mails, i filter all the crap out and just forward the legit stuff that the guy needs to respond to
i know that the google map free hosted site ( its with web.com ) doesnt have that much hits less than the other site that has a good ranking ( and is also submitted to biz search sites etc etc ), notice iam, i didnt say do better, its not better its ever so slightly worse, but not much in it



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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 08:38:45 pm
Please try and stick to the point, which in case you had forgotten is slating Tosh.

 ;D

But have a look at this page from my e-review:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/aa0861f4.jpg)

it cites www.clear-view.co.uk as a good window cleaning website, and it is.  Its not flashy (though the Thermopure kit is), its simple to read, and simple to navigate.  There's a contact number on every page, and on the Services page there's his number twice; just for the 'thickos' who miss his contact number.

I reckon its the best window cleaning website I've seen.





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Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 08:40:15 pm
Please try and stick to the point, which in case you had forgotten is slating Tosh.

 ;D

But have a look at this page from my e-review:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/aa0861f4.jpg)

it cites www.clear-view.co.uk as a good window cleaning website, and it is.  Its not flashy (though the Thermopure kit is), its simple to read, and simple to navigate.  There's a contact number on every page, and on the Services page there's his number twice; just for the 'thickos' who miss his contact number.

I reckon its the best window cleaning website I've seen.






you are having a augh please tell me you are ??????
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Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 29, 2009, 08:51:01 pm
Home page:-

Para 3  should be "storey" and not "story"

Para 4  customers' - not customer's (it's plural)
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 09:02:22 pm
Thanks, Malc.
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Post by: dazmond on November 29, 2009, 09:11:16 pm
whatever happened to word of mouth?,recommendation?leaflets and business cards?does having a website bring in a lot of work guys?
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Post by: South Coast Cleaning Services on November 29, 2009, 09:14:35 pm
whatever happened to word of mouth?,recommendation?leaflets and business cards?does having a website bring in a lot of work guys?

Yes it does mate, also on my leaflets ive got my web address so people can see what there getting and my search has hit the roof this month due to leaflet drop
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 09:21:03 pm
whatever happened to word of mouth?,recommendation?leaflets and business cards?does having a website bring in a lot of work guys?

Yes it does mate, also on my leaflets ive got my web address so people can see what there getting and my search has hit the roof this month due to leaflet drop

That's exactly why I want a website, to act as a brochure; anything else - such as being found in a google search - is a bonus.
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 09:23:08 pm
whatever happened to word of mouth?,recommendation?leaflets and business cards?does having a website bring in a lot of work guys?

Yes it does mate, also on my leaflets ive got my web address so people can see what there getting and my search has hit the roof this month due to leaflet drop

That's exactly why I want a website, to act as a brochure; anything else - such as being found in a google search - is a bonus.

thats what most window cleaners want, just to look that little bit "special" with a website on a biz card and flyer

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Post by: Gleaming windows on November 29, 2009, 09:30:34 pm
I think a site adds a little kudos to a business.

It doesnt make you more legit but it makes you LOOK more legit.

Also dont forget Tosh you must have your office address listed on the site otherwise you're breaking the law.
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Post by: South Coast Cleaning Services on November 29, 2009, 09:36:49 pm
I think a site adds a little kudos to a business.

It doesnt make you more legit but it makes you LOOK more legit.

Also dont forget Tosh you must have your office address listed on the site otherwise you're breaking the law.

Yer youll have steve on your case  ;D
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Post by: dazmond on November 29, 2009, 09:40:14 pm
ive had a look at a few.a lot seem to have terrible spelling mistakes!if u have already got a full round and not interested in employing.is there any point?maybe if u get custys to pay by paypal etc?just makes it all too impersonal like the self scan checkouts at supermarkets IMO!i like to meet and talk to custys.some send me cheques,a lot pay when i clean then i collect once a week for 2 hrs which TBH i enjoy most of the time!!i have contact number on WINDOWS CLEANED TODAY slips along with gutter cleaning/conny roofs advertised/ive got leaflets and business cards as well.i think for a one man band like me its not necessary.just my opinion.

regards

dazmond
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 09:58:12 pm
!if u have already got a full round and not interested in employing.is there any point?

Well you could take on better priced, easier work, with nicer customers and drop the ugly ones you don't like maybe?
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Post by: Nathanael Jones on November 29, 2009, 10:08:11 pm

I have to be honest i have never had a call off my website-ever-.

Do people really get work off websites?

http://www.villagegleam.co.uk/

Your SEO needs a little work Clive. It's an easy fix though, your site already looks really good.

Just remember ppl are lazy,.. if you're not on the first page of google you prob wont get any calls.
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 10:15:50 pm
ive had a look at a few.a lot seem to have terrible spelling mistakes!if u have already got a full round and not interested in employing.is there any point?maybe if u get custys to pay by paypal etc?just makes it all too impersonal like the self scan checkouts at supermarkets IMO!i like to meet and talk to custys.some send me cheques,a lot pay when i clean then i collect once a week for 2 hrs which TBH i enjoy most of the time!!i have contact number on WINDOWS CLEANED TODAY slips along with gutter cleaning/conny roofs advertised/ive got leaflets and business cards as well.i think for a one man band like me its not necessary.just my opinion.

regards

dazmond

your right

mine gets used for paypal and thats about it

i get the odd call, normally out of my "area" and normally just people after a quote and not really that serious
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Post by: Window Washers on November 29, 2009, 10:38:44 pm
ive had a look at a few.a lot seem to have terrible spelling mistakes!if u have already got a full round and not interested in employing.is there any point?maybe if u get custys to pay by paypal etc?just makes it all too impersonal like the self scan checkouts at supermarkets IMO!i like to meet and talk to custys.some send me cheques,a lot pay when i clean then i collect once a week for 2 hrs which TBH i enjoy most of the time!!i have contact number on WINDOWS CLEANED TODAY slips along with gutter cleaning/conny roofs advertised/ive got leaflets and business cards as well.i think for a one man band like me its not necessary.just my opinion.

regards

dazmond

your right

mine gets used for paypal and thats about it

i get the odd call, normally out of my "area" and normally just people after a quote and not really that serious
Matt you really do need to learn that not every one want to be a small time window cleaner, that has no interest in marketing or making more money, I am no knocking you you do your work, you take you little one/s on holiday fair play, but not all like this some want to make something of themselves no insult just a point of view that is not just earn enough if you get what I mean....
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 10:46:53 pm
Matt you really do need to learn that not every one want to be a small time window cleaner,

Yes, Matt, not everyone wants to be a small time window cleaner!   ;D
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Post by: leapstallbuildings on November 29, 2009, 10:47:28 pm
Firstly, I don't have a website myself because I'm lazy and disorganised so I rent a page on Ian's (Windowwasher's) site.
Looks like a reasonable first draft Tosh.  There is something there that I would definitely change though.  Although the site may look fine on your computer, on mine sideways scrolling is necessary in order to see the whole page width.  IMO this is a big nono.  I think this can be rectified by using a "table" tag in the html as this forces a fixed width regardless of which screen resolution a surfer is using.
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 10:49:39 pm
ive had a look at a few.a lot seem to have terrible spelling mistakes!if u have already got a full round and not interested in employing.is there any point?maybe if u get custys to pay by paypal etc?just makes it all too impersonal like the self scan checkouts at supermarkets IMO!i like to meet and talk to custys.some send me cheques,a lot pay when i clean then i collect once a week for 2 hrs which TBH i enjoy most of the time!!i have contact number on WINDOWS CLEANED TODAY slips along with gutter cleaning/conny roofs advertised/ive got leaflets and business cards as well.i think for a one man band like me its not necessary.just my opinion.

regards

dazmond

your right

mine gets used for paypal and thats about it

i get the odd call, normally out of my "area" and normally just people after a quote and not really that serious
Matt you really do need to learn that not every one want to be a small time window cleaner, that has no interest in marketing or making more money, I am no knocking you you do your work, you take you little one/s on holiday fair play, but not all like this some want to make something of themselves no insult just a point of view that is not just earn enough if you get what I mean....

on the flip side

most choose window cleaning as a stress free business and have no desire to be massive, employ staff etc etc i know people who are that way inclined find it hard to understand, buts its true

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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 10:51:05 pm
Firstly, I don't have a website myself because I'm lazy and disorganised so I rent a page on Ian's (Windowwasher's) site.
Looks like a reasonable first draft Tosh.  There is something there that I would definitely change though.  Although the site may look fine on your computer, on mine sideways scrolling is necessary in order to see the whole page width.  IMO this is a big nono.  I think this can be rectified by using a "table" tag in the html as this forces a fixed width regardless of which screen resolution a surfer is using.

Hey, thanks Paul.  I did increase the screen size and it looks fine on my browser, but I know on others it may look different; so thanks.  I'll decrease the size.
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 10:51:43 pm
Matt you really do need to learn that not every one want to be a small time window cleaner,

Yes, Matt, not everyone wants to be a small time window cleaner!   ;D

 ;D, sorry tosh i forgot your aims to be the biggest window cleaner in chepstow
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 10:54:28 pm
Matt you really do need to learn that not every one want to be a small time window cleaner,

Yes, Matt, not everyone wants to be a small time window cleaner!   ;D

 ;D, sorry tosh i forgot your aims to be the biggest window cleaner in chepstow

Don't talk to me; you're too small cheese!  ;D

I'm starting to enjoy windowwashers posts, they make me laugh!
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Post by: dazmond on November 29, 2009, 10:57:25 pm
windowwashers what do u mean"make something of yourself".i would consider a guy who can pay his bills and spend quality time with his family and afford nice holidays as a real person who has made something of himself and always has helpful down to earth advice for guys on ere.with no air of smugness and snobbery(as if!).fair enough if u have ambitions to get bigger and employ etc.doesnt always make u!!could make u into a workaholic moneygrabbing miserable bore whos wife leaves him for never being at home!with a big bank account but v.poor in spirit!! ;D ;D
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Post by: Gaby P. on November 29, 2009, 11:03:28 pm
windowwashers what do u mean"make something of yourself".i would consider a guy who can pay his bills and spend quality time with his family and afford nice holidays as a real person who has made something of himself and always has helpful down to earth advice for guys on ere.with no air of smugness and snobbery(as if!).fair enough if u have ambitions to get bigger and employ etc.doesnt always make u!!could make u into a workaholic moneygrabbing miserable bore whos wife leaves him for never being at home!with a big bank account but v.poor in spirit!! ;D ;D

 ;D ;D
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 11:07:59 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 11:12:00 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

now we havent had that discussion for a while
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Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 29, 2009, 11:12:18 pm
Yes Matt, you really should learn   ;D

Tosh

Be careful you are starting to sound ambitious
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Post by: cozy on November 29, 2009, 11:16:50 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?

 ???
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 11:19:50 pm
Yes Matt, you really should learn   ;D


you know 1 of them will spot this and post it on that other site

then they will all be over telling us " how professional they are, how much money they earn and how jolly friendly they are "

watch this space   
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 11:20:04 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?

 ???

That was really funny, Cozy, till I realised it was you!   ;D

Dave, I may even get myself a shiny new van next year if my Missis lets me raid the mortgage!
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Post by: matt on November 29, 2009, 11:23:22 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?

 ???

That was really funny, Cozy, till I realised it was you!   ;D

Dave, I may even get myself a shiny new van next year if my Missis lets me raid the mortgage!

you could even offer roger a job  ;)
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Post by: Tosh on November 29, 2009, 11:26:32 pm
Since I've now got a website, I'm not sure I should be posting on this pikey forum anymore.  What's Cleaning pros like these days?  Is it still full of millionaires?

 ???

That was really funny, Cozy, till I realised it was you!   ;D

Dave, I may even get myself a shiny new van next year if my Missis lets me raid the mortgage!

you could even offer roger a job  ;)

I would only employ hard workers with good social skills.
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Post by: cozy on November 29, 2009, 11:29:05 pm
That's me out of a job then  ???
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Post by: Window Washers on November 30, 2009, 05:22:29 am
windowwashers what do u mean"make something of yourself".i would consider a guy who can pay his bills and spend quality time with his family and afford nice holidays as a real person who has made something of himself and always has helpful down to earth advice for guys on ere.with no air of smugness and snobbery(as if!).fair enough if u have ambitions to get bigger and employ etc.doesnt always make u!!could make u into a workaholic moneygrabbing miserable bore whos wife leaves him for never being at home!with a big bank account but v.poor in spirit!! ;D ;D
I asked for that didnt I, I am ambitious thats all, and reading back sounds bad and did not make the point I was trying to :-X I am not smug or a snob though, if you ever meet me you will know this.

Ian
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Post by: matt on November 30, 2009, 08:47:16 am
windowwashers what do u mean"make something of yourself".i would consider a guy who can pay his bills and spend quality time with his family and afford nice holidays as a real person who has made something of himself and always has helpful down to earth advice for guys on ere.with no air of smugness and snobbery(as if!).fair enough if u have ambitions to get bigger and employ etc.doesnt always make u!!could make u into a workaholic moneygrabbing miserable bore whos wife leaves him for never being at home!with a big bank account but v.poor in spirit!! ;D ;D
I asked for that didnt I, I am ambitious thats all, and reading back sounds bad and did not make the point I was trying to :-X I am not smug or a snob though, if you ever meet me you will know this.

Ian

thats a better responce ian, i saw the other response from last night  ;)

hang over this morning ? ? ?
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Post by: Tosh on November 30, 2009, 09:08:04 am

thats a better responce ian, i saw the other response from last night  ;)

hang over this morning ? ? ?
Quote

I think so too!  But let's cut the guy some slack, I think he's had a bereavement.
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Post by: matt on November 30, 2009, 10:14:03 pm

thats a better responce ian, i saw the other response from last night  ;)

hang over this morning ? ? ?
Quote

I think so too!  But let's cut the guy some slack, I think he's had a bereavement.

i wasnt having a go tosh
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Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 30, 2009, 10:52:38 pm
good evening tweedledum and tweedledee
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Post by: matt on November 30, 2009, 11:20:18 pm
good evening tweedledum and tweedledee

evening dave

are you still waiting for the "professional" lot to arrive

its disappointing isnt it

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Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 30, 2009, 11:24:11 pm
very, cant wait to see whats in store for me, tar and feathers i think, even a Glyn video and a possible lynch mobbing lol


 ;D
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Post by: matt on November 30, 2009, 11:25:47 pm
dave

couldnt you pop over and tell them we are talking about them

your a true professional and all that  ;)
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Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 30, 2009, 11:28:25 pm
pop over where ?
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Post by: mark dew on November 30, 2009, 11:35:39 pm
tosh, sorry big cheese now you got ambitions, the website looks simple and well laid out. Couldn't see anything that looked wrong. I like the format.
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Post by: matt on November 30, 2009, 11:37:11 pm
pop over where ?

the place where the "professional's" hang out ;)
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Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 30, 2009, 11:38:25 pm
Who ?  Bodie and Doyle ?
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Post by: mark dew on November 30, 2009, 11:40:30 pm
Matt would go but it's bit like a black walking into a klan pub.  ;D
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Post by: Tosh on December 01, 2009, 07:05:24 am
tosh, sorry big cheese now you got ambitions, the website looks simple and well laid out. Couldn't see anything that looked wrong. I like the format.


Thank you!  I have tried to make (in accordance with my e-report thingy) each page have a purpose and to keep it simple.  I've had a look at a lot of websites, and some of them I find confusing.

I don't mean to knock windowwasher's website, (especially because he designs them), but when I go there I'm confused as to whom the website is aimed at.

Is it for window cleaners?  Or is it for people looking for a window cleaner?  There's 'buttons' to push everywhere, so the navigation is difficult, and some of the 'buttons' don't work or lead nowhere; which is frustrating and makes you leave.  Oh, and there's stuff I trawl my pointer over, because they look like they should be a hyper-link, but  they aren't; again I find this slightly annoying.  Subconsciously the website is telling me I'm thick.  ;D

Maybe it's because I'm a Geordie, but the website is too difficult for my 10 second attention span (and 10 secs is the average time someone spends looking at a website like this) to digest.

So my aim was to have a clear message on each page, keep the pages down to a minimum number, and to keep it simple.

Oh, and a friend of mine is a Part P electrician and he recently showed off to me his latest leaflet.  It was shiny, smart looking, but packed with information, and to be honest I couldn't be bothered to read it.  All I would want to know is that he's qualified, competant, and not a 'rip off' with his prices.  I guess that's something along the lines that our customers want to know.
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Post by: Window Washers on December 01, 2009, 09:07:43 am
windowwashers what do u mean"make something of yourself".i would consider a guy who can pay his bills and spend quality time with his family and afford nice holidays as a real person who has made something of himself and always has helpful down to earth advice for guys on ere.with no air of smugness and snobbery(as if!).fair enough if u have ambitions to get bigger and employ etc.doesnt always make u!!could make u into a workaholic moneygrabbing miserable bore whos wife leaves him for never being at home!with a big bank account but v.poor in spirit!! ;D ;D
I asked for that didnt I, I am ambitious thats all, and reading back sounds bad and did not make the point I was trying to :-X I am not smug or a snob though, if you ever meet me you will know this.

Ian

thats a better responce ian, i saw the other response from last night  ;)


hang over this morning ? ? ?
I was a little over emotional  :(, I would have replied earlier but I was burying my 29 year old good mate yesterday.

Matt I dont think I offened you, if I did sorry.

Ian