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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chopsie on November 28, 2009, 12:19:13 pm
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I am considering buying a van,probably a transit,I need to put seats in the back so i can pick kids up when necessary.I have tried A-plan for a quote and they won't quote because of seat conversion,has anyone got insurance for this?and if so where from and how much? I would consider a vauxhall combo crew cab van,Has anyone got one of these,are they any good?Will they fit a lay flat 400 litre tank in the back? Also,if i just ratchett strap the tank down i believe this does not class as a modification,is this right ???
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Also,if i just ratchett strap the tank down i believe this does not class as a modification,is this right ???
Not a modification,.. death trap, but not a modification!
You'd seriously take the chance with your kids sitting in front of it???
Do the job right,.. If you don't want the full cage, 20 tonne straps will do but you'll still need to modify the van by adding hooks secured to the chassis.
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I thought i would empty the water out when i picked up kids,are the factory fitted tie downs eyes not strong enough then?
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I thought i would empty the water out when i picked up kids,are the factory fitted tie downs eyes not strong enough then?
Give it time it will come to a point you cant be bothered, have other things to do..
you need special eye bolts that are fixed through or around the chassis - which will be a modification - the eyebolts on vans are nothing much than a cheap screw with an excuse of an ring on the end of it. If you trust that with yourself in the front and a full frontal impact at 30mph with only half a tank of water - you wont have much of a life left..
still - up to you what you do. Dont let anyone else tell you how to live your own life.
To do the job properly it costs money. I was actually refused cover for a 250L water tank being strapped in because of it being a high risk.. I guess it depends on who you go with insurance wise, and weather you tell them the full honest truth of what and how your doing. Only when you actually need the insurance cover you will discover the full horror of what and isn't covered!
Dont listen to brokers they are there to sell regardless of what you tell them.. check and double check the policy and all endorsements - if its doesn't say its covered, then its not covered.
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Also,if i just ratchett strap the tank down i believe this does not class as a modification,is this right ???
Not a modification,.. death trap, but not a modification!
You'd seriously take the chance with your kids sitting in front of it???
Do the job right,.. If you don't want the full cage, 20 tonne straps will do but you'll still need to modify the van by adding hooks secured to the chassis.
thats well over the top nat
5 tonne ratchet straps fitted to 12.9 rated bolts with spreader plates are more than ample
a cage bolted down to the chassis work, but i wonder how many have them bolted down with 8.8 rated bolts ( i will answer that, loads )
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I thought i would empty the water out when i picked up kids,are the factory fitted tie downs eyes not strong enough then?
no, they are not
in another post i posted a link to the Tie down plates needed ( they are massive chunky things that they weld / bold down on lorries )
add to that the 12.9 rated bolts with nice big and thick spreader plates
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for the record
insurance companies are all going to try and wriggle out of paying, its what they do
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cheers matt,yeh i know you sent me the link the other day,i was just wondering what others did,I suppose i was trying to cut corners!! the price of vans is more than i was hoping,have put a deposit down (£50) on a 55 plate transit with only 68000 on the clock.Its 5 grand but thought it was not a bad price,but the more i look into it its going to cost me loads extra in insurance (fitting seats) and also the fitting of seats,roof rack,protekacoat,He is giving me two single front passenger seats out of ex BT vans,was hoping they would go in the back ok,trouble is I am stretching myself on the 5000 on the van so with all these extras(still need a pump box and a microbore reel) I am considering not buying it and just getting an old high milage nail for couple of grand,or maybe a vauxhall combo type thing for similar money with factory fitted seats in,Just wonder if 400 litre tank would fit in behind seats ok,and would i regret not getting a bigger van ???
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cheers matt,yeh i know you sent me the link the other day,i was just wondering what others did,I suppose i was trying to cut corners!! the price of vans is more than i was hoping,have put a deposi down (£50) on a 55 plate transit with only 68000 on the clock.Its 5 grand but thought it was not a bad price,but the more i look into it its going to cost me loads extra in insurance (fitting seats) and also the fitting of seats,roof rack,protekacoat,He is giving me two single front passenger seats out of ex BT vans,was hoping they would go in the back ok,trouble is I am stretching myself on the 5000 on the van so with all these extras(still need a pump box and a microbore reel) I am considering not buying it and just getting an old high milage nail for couple of grand,or maybe a vauxhall combo type thing for similar money with factory fitted seats in,Just wonder i 400 litre tank would fit in behind seats ok,and would i regret not getting a bigger van ???
have you considered a older VW T4 ( ex aa vans have the middle row of seats , you can get 5 in them ( 3 up front and 2 behind ) they will be easier to insure
failing that a T4 caravelle as they will seat 8 people, remove the rear seats and fit the tank ( thus will seat 5 ( 6 if you change the front passenger seat for a doubler ) )
a 400 L tank will fit behind that row of seats
i dont know much about the transits, though i do know they do a set of seats that are "crew cab style " and sit behind the front row and they will just fit in the bolt holes in the floor
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will look for the t4,would love a VW but jesus they hold their money
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how many children do you have ? ? ?
how many need to fit in your van ? ? ? ?
as many vans will seat 3 up front as standard
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I have got 3,had twin boys,two in one hit!!!could do with 5 seats so can take mrs out in style!!!
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I have got 3,had twin boys,two in one hit!!!could do with 5 seats so can take mrs out in style!!!
ax AA T4's would suit you just right
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thats well over the top nat
5 tonne ratchet straps fitted to 12.9 rated bolts with spreader plates are more than ample
a cage bolted down to the chassis work, but i wonder how many have them bolted down with 8.8 rated bolts ( i will answer that, loads )
The average 30mph impact produces 50G's
400 litres = 400kg
400kg x 50 = 20 tonnes,.....
I didn't just pull the number out of the air!!!
If you plan to crash at any higher speed than 30 mph you should consider 2 or 3 straps just to be sure.
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I have a pegeout expert with a 400L tank and extra seats fitted in the back for my kiddys. Not sure what company, but can find out.
Email me if you want to know more... Email is in my profile
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thats well over the top nat
5 tonne ratchet straps fitted to 12.9 rated bolts with spreader plates are more than ample
a cage bolted down to the chassis work, but i wonder how many have them bolted down with 8.8 rated bolts ( i will answer that, loads )
The average 30mph impact produces 50G's
400 litres = 400kg
400kg x 50 = 20 tonnes,.....
I didn't just pull the number out of the air!!!
If you plan to crash at any higher speed than 30 mph you should consider 2 or 3 straps just to be sure.
but you wouldnt even try and fit a tank with just one ratchet strap would you, as it just wouldnt work
1 strap for the front 2 points
1 strap for the rear 2 points
1 strap from front to rear going though the baffles in a X pattern
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The average 30mph impact produces 50G's
400 litres = 400kg
400kg x 50 = 20 tonnes,.....
I didn't just pull the number out of the air!!!
If you plan to crash at any higher speed than 30 mph you should consider 2 or 3 straps just to be sure.
Interesting figures....
How many window cleaners have lost their life due to being crushed by their tank full of water?
I'll pluck a figure out of the air.... 0
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Interesting figures....
How many window cleaners have lost their life due to being crushed by their tank full of water?
I'll pluck a figure out of the air.... 0
glad i'm not the only one on this forum who comes out with stupid comments lol ;D
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Interesting figures....
How many window cleaners have lost their life due to being crushed by their tank full of water?
I'll pluck a figure out of the air.... 0
And I hope it stays that way. I don't want any of you guys to be the first!!!
Is it true though,.. are there any official figures on death/injury caused by unsecured loads?
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Cant see a 400 litre flat or otherwise tank fitting in a crew cab combo anyway, a 400 litre flat would just about fit in a combo without rear seats fitted. as for the fatory anchor points a good set of ratchet straps fitted tight ( which is what they need to be) would rip off the anchor points very easily whilst just fitting the tank God knows what they would protect on impact very little I suspect.
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glad i'm not the only one on this forum who comes out with stupid comments lol ;D
Oi ;)
It's just that I'm sick of hearing the "if you crash at 30mph with your 400 ltr tank full of water, ratched strapped down you'll be killed" ::)
Whats the odds of all the above happening first thing in the morning and a head on crash, I'd like to think folks would not be driving with a full load recklessley.
Wait till you are going home empty and you'll be fine ;D
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i wonder how many people are driving around with cages around the tank fitted with a few 8.8 rated bolts ? ? ? ? thinking " its ok, i have a cage around my tank "
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i wonder how many people are driving around with cages around the tank fitted with a few 8.8 rated bolts ? ? ? ? thinking " its ok, i have a cage around my tank "
Probably quite a high percentage of ppl.
I have a cage around my tank secured to the chassis in my current van. In my next van I'll be using 20 tonne straps because its easier to correctly fit an anchor point to the chassis than it is to fit a cage mounting. I want to make the system pretty much idiot proof,.. show ppl it can be easy to safely fit a tank.
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glad i'm not the only one on this forum who comes out with stupid comments lol ;D
Oi ;)
It's just that I'm sick of hearing the "if you crash at 30mph with your 400 ltr tank full of water, ratched strapped down you'll be killed" ::)
Whats the odds of all the above happening first thing in the morning and a head on crash, I'd like to think folks would not be driving with a full load recklessley.
Wait till you are going home empty and you'll be fine ;D
i allways think of the number of builders on the road with a van full of stuff like a cement mixer, pallet of bags of plaster, hammers , saws and a gas bottle
nothing is secured down
i used to drive a astravan and have all my kit in the back, ranging from 3 tools box's full of stuff, a circular saw, a chop saw, a router, a big drill, a box with cordless drill in it, a box full of screws which must have weighed over 10 Kg
a 11 kg gas bottle with blow torch
the van didnt even have a bulkhead :o :o makes you think now
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glad i'm not the only one on this forum who comes out with stupid comments lol ;D
Oi ;)
It's just that I'm sick of hearing the "if you crash at 30mph with your 400 ltr tank full of water, ratched strapped down you'll be killed" ::)
Whats the odds of all the above happening first thing in the morning and a head on crash, I'd like to think folks would not be driving with a full load recklessley.
Wait till you are going home empty and you'll be fine ;D
I hear what your saying but i suppose it only has to happen the once.. my tank is not properly fitted i know but i will be getting it done properly in my new one next year ... what with all these women drivers in their husbands 4x4s ;D oh boy ive gone and done it now..
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I have a cage around my tank secured to the chassis in my current van. In my next van I'll be using 20 tonne straps because its easier to correctly fit an anchor point to the chassis than it is to fit a cage mounting. I want to make the system pretty much idiot proof,.. show ppl it can be easy to safely fit a tank.
Nathanael,
do you have any info from van manufacturers/insurers as to the validity of drilling holes through, and potentially weakening the chassis itself, as its the main strength/structure of the van and someone is drilling numerous holes through it, maybe borderline ok on a new van but potentially haxardous on an old rusted one?
Obviously this wont be looked into unless an accident occurs and insurers etc are involved.
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Crew cab sounds ideal for you, I would not want my kids sat with my tank in the back of a van as there is poles hoses and loads of of bits.
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I was going to move the bulk head from behind front seats to behind back seats,so essentially creating a crew cab and keeping all poles,tank,tools etc away from everyone.
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I have a cage around my tank secured to the chassis in my current van. In my next van I'll be using 20 tonne straps because its easier to correctly fit an anchor point to the chassis than it is to fit a cage mounting. I want to make the system pretty much idiot proof,.. show ppl it can be easy to safely fit a tank.
Nathanael,
do you have any info from van manufacturers/insurers as to the validity of drilling holes through, and potentially weakening the chassis itself, as its the main strength/structure of the van and someone is drilling numerous holes through it, maybe borderline ok on a new van but potentially haxardous on an old rusted one?
Obviously this wont be looked into unless an accident occurs and insurers etc are involved.
Never drill through the chassis unless you really know what you're doing. A system that clamps around the chassis member would be much more preferable.
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most chassis have holes in them, they are so any water drains away and doesnt rot inside the section
so you have no need to drill though the chassis, just the floor pan
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well been talking it over with the other half,and am going with the transit I have put deposit down on,the tank i have bought second hand comes with a cage and i will fix properly through chassis with the bolts matt suggests.The seats are another problem,can i fix them myself,If so how,and do they need testing?or shall i just go and get a set fitted somewhere(preferably midlands,closer to Derby the better) any suggestions? I have seen these,what do you think http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Jubilee-Automotive-Group__W0QQ_sidZ130344951?_nkw=seats&submit=Search
any insurers you could recommend?
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hi george.Yeh pics with sizes would be great thanks,I should be getting van at some point next week,Its from Arnold,Is that anywhere near you?
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sounds good to me,will you send me address and post code with the pics please,then i can put it in sat nav when i fetch the van.also send me your mobile number please.
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cheers.I will be in touch
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Matt, you got a link for the bolts?
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well been talking it over with the other half,and am going with the transit I have put deposit down on,the tank i have bought second hand comes with a cage and i will fix properly through chassis with the bolts matt suggests.The seats are another problem,can i fix them myself,If so how,and do they need testing?or shall i just go and get a set fitted somewhere(preferably midlands,closer to Derby the better) any suggestions? I have seen these,what do you think http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Jubilee-Automotive-Group__W0QQ_sidZ130344951?_nkw=seats&submit=Search
any insurers you could recommend?
I use commercial viechle direct (google it) to look for my insurances I think it is glenhiem , I would have the seats fitted by a garage or coachbuilder as when I wanted a seat fitted to a van I had, they asked for the proof of fitting.
Ian
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thanks Ian,I was sort of swinging towards getting them done properly,I got a mate who is a mechanic(not a good enough mate to give me mates rates though!),I might see what he thinks about fitting them.
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the extra seats are a mine field, i know a few VW camper selfbuilders who could NEVER get insurance and that was on a VW T4 and the seats just bolt straight into hole that are factory fitted
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the extra seats are a mine field, i know a few VW camper selfbuilders who could NEVER get insurance and that was on a VW T4 and the seats just bolt straight into hole that are factory fitted
From what I was told they have to go back to main dealer to be fitted, then not classed as a mod but adding seats to a non crew can and moving bulkhead is defo a mod and I would guess you will pay through the nose for it if you can find insrance with a tank benind, to many risks to them I would say for a normal enough premium
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i have peugoet xpert 04 .6seats these were put in by peugoet .insrance is £280 full comp .at moment im using barrels .but room in back for tank 41 inches long 44 inches wide . rac .insurance company .
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i have peugoet xpert 04 .6seats these were put in by peugoet .insrance is £280 full comp .at moment im using barrels .but room in back for tank 41 inches long 44 inches wide . rac .insurance company .
did you meantion that you had a tank of water in the back ? I am guessing you didnt , I have 7 years no claims I have 3 seats in vans and pay double that, I have disclosed that takes are fitted to van because they are. I would be shocked as anything if you have your fitted correctly and have been up front to insurance company at the price you just quoted, I am defo open to say sorry on this one if I am wrong..because I pay double and do not have 6 seats classed as a taxi!
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Wouldn't 6 seats be classed as a crew van? I have a vw transporter and the bolt holes for the seats are clearly visible in the back,as they were in my Renault Trafic (and most vans?). Why not fit seats yourself and if the insurance company need proof then send them a photo.I can't see the point in taking it to a garage for them to bolt some seats down in the required holes when its nothing more than common sense. (imo).
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Having said that,i hadn't read what Matt and Windowwashers had said,so please ignore my previous yarn! :)
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Wouldn't 6 seats be classed as a crew van? I have a vw transporter and the bolt holes for the seats are clearly visible in the back,as they were in my Renault Trafic (and most vans?). Why not fit seats yourself and if the insurance company need proof then send them a photo.I can't see the point in taking it to a garage for them to bolt some seats down in the required holes when its nothing more than common sense. (imo).
your 100 % right, the holes are in the floor pan and ready, pop along to a VW stealership and buy the bolts ( official VAG bolts ) and bolt them in, now most insurance companied will be happy with this, you migth need a letter from the stealership top say its fitted correctly ( might cost you a inspection / admin fee )
on the other hand, some insurance companies will insist on having a coach builder inspect it
Having said that,i hadn't read what Matt and Windowwashers had said,so please ignore my previous yarn! :)
no need to ignore it, your right to a degree
as i said, look for a Ex AA T4 or a T4 caravelle that will have the middle seats in and the rear seats will be easy to remove
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This is all getting very complicated!! There are thousands of vans out there with seats in the back,My old company used to have all trannies with seats bolted in the back after they bought the vans.Surley it cant be that difficult?Also,moving a bulk head should not be a problem,they are regularly bought as a retro fit,I admit the seat might cause a few headaches,but the bulk head can be added/removed with no probs i am sure,alot are only tek screwed in.Have been looking at VW t4 or caravelle,They go for way too much money for the year/milage they are,It would be cheaper in the long run to buy another van and get the seats fitted properly by an approved fitter ???
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i have barrels in back . not tank . the measure ments i give were if u
wanted to fit a tank . my insurance is for work n play .i have 6 seats as we have 4 grand children .which is all disclosed to insurance company .rac .£280
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Tacky,how much did it cost for your seats (bought and fitted) in your van by peugot?
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This is all getting very complicated!! There are thousands of vans out there with seats in the back,My old company used to have all trannies with seats bolted in the back after they bought the vans.Surley it cant be that difficult?Also,moving a bulk head should not be a problem,they are regularly bought as a retro fit,I admit the seat might cause a few headaches,but the bulk head can be added/removed with no probs i am sure,alot are only tek screwed in.Have been looking at VW t4 or caravelle,They go for way too much money for the year/milage they are,It would be cheaper in the long run to buy another van and get the seats fitted properly by an approved fitter ???
the thing with the VW caravelle's are normally well looked after, i have seen them M and N reg and the insides look really nice, they are either personal minibus's for BIG families, or they are owned by people who have wheel chair bound family members
look at this 1 on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1994-VOLKSWAGEN-CARAVELLE-SWB-RED_W0QQitemZ270485027266QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item3efa29f9c2
only covered 94,000 miles with full service history, cambelt changed at 85,000 miles
advertised £3,795.00 but it has best offer, offer 3,200 or 3,300 and see what they say
leave the middle seats in and you can seat 5 in the van easy, i bet them wheel chair points will be well fitted for a tank behind the seats, then if you need to seat more, take out the tank and pop in the other seat
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Thanks matt,this does look a good vehicle,BUT its 15 years old for anything up to £3795.I just think its crazy for a vehicle of that age,I am going to have a ring round in the morning to see how much/if i can get cover for fitted seats in this tranny,then go from there,I think i will go down your eyehole/ratchett strap route for the tank as I potentialy have other jobs i can do with the van where it would be good to easily remove the tank.
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Thanks matt,this does look a good vehicle,BUT its 15 years old for anything up to £3795.I just think its crazy for a vehicle of that age,I am going to have a ring round in the morning to see how much/if i can get cover for fitted seats in this tranny,then go from there,I think i will go down your eyehole/ratchett strap route for the tank as I potentialy have other jobs i can do with the van where it would be good to easily remove the tank.
your right, but its £3795 ( i bet they would accept 3200 for it ) for a reason, its a VW, yes its 15 years old, but its only done 94,000 miles with full service history, its allmost brand new ( i have seen T4's with 400,000 on the clock ) , as you said they hold value very well
pop into FORD and ask how much to fit a middle seat with the doc's for insurance, you might be surprised
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pleasantly surprised?
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pleasantly surprised?
;D ;D ;D
when they ask you to sit down, you will know ;)
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well don't you think these will do the job,they are fitted for less tan £900,I thought that was very good and would come with a certificate. http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Jubilee-Automotive-Group__W0QQ_sidZ130344951?_nkw=seats&submit=Search I would not go to a main dealer for anything!!!
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well don't you think these will do the job,they are fitted for less tan £900,I thought that was very good and would come with a certificate. http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Jubilee-Automotive-Group__W0QQ_sidZ130344951?_nkw=seats&submit=Search I would not go to a main dealer for anything!!!
very nice indeed
just what you want, seriously what you want
not a bad price either
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yeh I thought would be ideal,have quick release so can remove them for other jobs easily,Just need to find an insurer now,am sure there will be one out there,will find out tomorrow.
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
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I still don't understand why an insurance company wants to know what you carry in your van ??? ???
Mine has never asked, nor is it in any small print.
I carry a 400ltr tank, strapped down, in my van. Yes a van which, by it's very nature is designed to carry heavy loads.
Does a plasterer have to tell his insurance company that he'll be carrying bags of plaster from B&Q every other day? Think not!
I think some just like to give 'em an excuse to be charged more! ;D ;D
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
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Thats what I thought,But VW really hold their money,I would love to be able to afford a newish low milage VW transporter it would last forever.Just look at a 15 year old tranny,How many do you see in as good a condition as that? I am a big VW fan,but just can't justify paying that money out for that age of vehicle,It would make more sense to buy a 2 year old one with lowish miles,saw a load at auctions for around 8 grand,
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macmac,what van do you have and whats your premiums?what you say makes perfect sense,how do you fix your tank down?
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macmac,what van do you have and whats your premiums?what you say makes perfect sense,how do you fix your tank down?
Kangoo 665D, £230 fully comp inc' protected no claims, legal protection & a reduced £150 excess. I have steel brackets screwed to the ply floor just to prevent any day to day movement (& it works) then strapped to factory anchor points.
I've never crashed, only hit the brakes very hard a time or two & tank has never budged.
A balance between safety & reality.
Think of seat belts, even child seat belts. What are they made from? What are they anchored to?
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
that nail is german and german nails last
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I can't help but think the factory fitted brackets should be pretty strong in a van,as they are designed to lash down heavy loads,I will have a good look and a test when i get the van.Like you say,Vans carry all sorts of heavy loads around,thats what they are designed for,I was in one last week with a ton of sand,half a dozen bags of cement,a cement mixer and loads of tools,none secured down,only a bulk head for protection,Insurance companies do not ask any questions about this!! The van I am potentially buying was used by Hotpoint to carry washing machines etc around,Now they must weigh a fair bit,and I bet they were not tied down!!
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
sorry i have to partly disagree with your statement above, i have just bought a 150k transit and it was a much better vehicle than the 100k sprinter that i originally went to see, also you see more old transits on the road than any other vehicle, they are not the best selling van for the simple reason that they are cheaper. its because they are a bloody good workhorse.
Not having a go im just putting my opinion across. :)
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
sorry i have to partly disagree with your statement above, i have just bought a 150k transit and it was a much better vehicle than the 100k sprinter that i originally went to see, also you see more old transits on the road than any other vehicle, they are not the best selling van for the simple reason that they are cheaper. its because they are a bloody good workhorse.
Not having a go im just putting my opinion across. :)
they are a good work horse, though the bodywork does get rusty quickly
the spinter was dogged with rust issues ( rear tail gate bottom ) and sliding doors bottom, though having said that, the VW T4 suffers from rust on the wheel arch
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iv not seen a sprinter with a tailgate, maybe you mean a vito ? vitos are pants ,but sprinters are the very best ,but way tooo big for windowcleaning , i had a ride in a sprintr 313 and it was like a rocket ship and as big as aircraft carrier inside
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And I hope it stays that way. I don't want any of you guys to be the first!!!
Is it true though,.. are there any official figures on death/injury caused by unsecured loads?
Just a quick google, mind he only pulled up to a roundabout. It's a bit more then what we carry (lol) but you get the point.
HGV driver killed by load punching through cab
http://www.healthandsafetyprofessional.co.uk/file/da1e4c217af84c2d22158925a2e7a678/hgv-driver-killed-by-load-punching-through-cab.html
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Steel bulkhead? What steel bulkhead :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9EMHhZ_Ww&feature=related
And that's nothing compared to what we are carrying lol.
I'd really like to see a 650l tank strapped in footage compared to a DIY bolt/plate fit setup.
Think of seat belts, even child seat belts. What are they made from? What are they anchored to?
Do your children weigh 400 to 1000Kg then? :D
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Mind you, when you watch the vw van crash, straps, bolts or cages wouldn't make a big difference there :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukq-UUQAcZs&feature=related
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Steel bulkhead? What steel bulkhead :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9EMHhZ_Ww&feature=related
And that's nothing compared to what we are carrying lol.
I'd really like to see a 650l tank strapped in footage compared to a DIY bolt/plate fit setup.
Think of seat belts, even child seat belts. What are they made from? What are they anchored to?
Do your children weigh 400 to 1000Kg then? :D
My mate weighs 400kg!! ;D I'm making the point that some people think ratchet straps arn't up to the job. We used to crane bundles of 4" dia' solid steel bars with fabric loops.
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iv not seen a sprinter with a tailgate, maybe you mean a vito ? vitos are pants ,but sprinters are the very best ,but way tooo big for windowcleaning , i had a ride in a sprintr 313 and it was like a rocket ship and as big as aircraft carrier inside
indeed i did, the Vito
sorry, my mistake
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All sorted,got the Transit van £5000,ordered the seats to be fitted properly £702(double seat),fetched the 400 litre tank and cage £100 second hand,got insurance for van with seat modification and tank fitted,£563.99(commercial vehicle direct)which includes rac breakdown cover with homestart and loss of keys insurance.Just need to get some protecta kote (cheapest suppliers please!)and order my pump box and microbore on a reel :)
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sorry i didnt get back to u . only now come on line . my seats were allready in van when i bought it .they were factory fitted
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no problem tacky.they would of been easier to get insurance for then.
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
sorry i have to partly disagree with your statement above, i have just bought a 150k transit and it was a much better vehicle than the 100k sprinter that i originally went to see, also you see more old transits on the road than any other vehicle, they are not the best selling van for the simple reason that they are cheaper. its because they are a bloody good workhorse.
Not having a go im just putting my opinion across. :)
they are a good work horse, though the bodywork does get rusty quickly
the spinter was dogged with rust issues ( rear tail gate bottom ) and sliding doors bottom, though having said that, the VW T4 suffers from rust on the wheel arch
Exactly, I completely understand about them going strong. But to find one with high miles that isnt rotten is very very hard, Unless there miles have been done recently.
Even then, I have seen 53 plaste trannys rotting, my mates is.
Just saying vw have a name for a reason. And hold thier value for the same reason.
Not meaning to put your van down in any way bud. I love transits, and the fact they keep going, but they do rot alot.
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chopsie
a little advice
i see you have purchased some "protectacote ", great stuff
what i would do now is this
it will be great in your van
get some fibreglass matting and paste
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300gsm-25m-x-1m-Fibreglass-Chopped-Strand-Mat-CSM-GRP_W0QQitemZ220488914488QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM?hash=item335629d638
and
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Freefix-6470-W-1-Bonding-Paste-for-Composites-GRP-7Kg_W0QQitemZ220501417709QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM?hash=item3356e89eed
this will be enough to form and make a fibre glass "tray" to sit behind your seats, then any water will just gather in that, have a upstand of 2"'s and it will save water running under your seats and in the back of your van
yes it will cost you 70 quid, but it will improve your van alot
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I know nothing bout this stuff matt,I take it its in a roll or something,How can i create the upstand? I take it you mean put a lip(upstand) just behind the seats(not all the way round) and thats it,so water does'nt go into the front?
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I know nothing bout this stuff matt,I take it its in a roll or something,How can i create the upstand? I take it you mean put a lip(upstand) just behind the seats(not all the way round) and thats it,so water does'nt go into the front?
its fairly easy to do
cut the matting to size, and paint the paste on, then cut some more matting and stick it to that, then repeat till its fairly thick ( a few mm ), yes just create a lip ( upstand ) , personally i would do it all the way around, so the water just stays in the "tray" , if you do it whilst it in the van, it will be really tight to the sides of the van, then just get some "silacone sealant" and seal the top of the tray so water doesnt get down the sides
job done, a area behind the seats that are water tight and any split water will just gather on the tray
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I might just look into doing that matt when i have had the seats fitted.thanks
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Steel bulkhead? What steel bulkhead :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9EMHhZ_Ww&feature=related
And that's nothing compared to what we are carrying lol.
I'd really like to see a 650l tank strapped in footage compared to a DIY bolt/plate fit setup.
Think of seat belts, even child seat belts. What are they made from? What are they anchored to?
Do your children weigh 400 to 1000Kg then? :D
My mate weighs 400kg!! ;D I'm making the point that some people think ratchet straps arn't up to the job. We used to crane bundles of 4" dia' solid steel bars with fabric loops.
I once had three hundred kilo of weight on one seatbelt. I with a lighter burnt the seatbelt to make the weight drop into place, I got scared and jumped out the way pulling the lighter away with me. The weight was hanging by 1/8th of the seatbelt. No lie, I was absolutely amazed at how strong they really are!
Also used them for towing old jeeps out of fields that weight almost 2tonne!!
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on the subject of insuarance...i got an email from this lot.
http://mailer.quartze.co.uk/display.php?M=195722&C=773feea9403c24133dce2fb085596791&S=298&L=10&N=202
anyone heard of an insurance firm giving you a courtesy van complete with an ionics hot system in the event of an accident in your own van?
must be expensive to insure with them. :o
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yeh I have seen other people say about it on here,I contacted them but would not insure me because of extra seats in the back.You have to have an Ionics system in your van to get the replacement courtesy van
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I have my insurance with them (alexander swan), they are first class.
If my van gets stolen or is off the road because of an accident, they provide me with a courtesy van with a 600 litre ionic thermopure system installed for as long as i need it.
It was slightly more expensive than elsewhere (about £52 a year more if i remember rightly) but to me, having my van off the road for even one day is gonna cost me more than that.
Not sure about them only insuring if you have an ionic system, didnt know that.
Highly recommended IMO, speak to sarah she knows everything there is to know and is helpful.
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no they will insure you,Just you have to have an Ionics system in the van they insure to get the courtesy Ionics van if yours is off the road
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
sorry i have to partly disagree with your statement above, i have just bought a 150k transit and it was a much better vehicle than the 100k sprinter that i originally went to see, also you see more old transits on the road than any other vehicle, they are not the best selling van for the simple reason that they are cheaper. its because they are a bloody good workhorse.
Not having a go im just putting my opinion across. :)
they are a good work horse, though the bodywork does get rusty quickly
the spinter was dogged with rust issues ( rear tail gate bottom ) and sliding doors bottom, though having said that, the VW T4 suffers from rust on the wheel arch
Exactly, I completely understand about them going strong. But to find one with high miles that isnt rotten is very very hard, Unless there miles have been done recently.
Even then, I have seen 53 plaste trannys rotting, my mates is.
Just saying vw have a name for a reason. And hold thier value for the same reason.
Not meaning to put your van down in any way bud. I love transits, and the fact they keep going, but they do rot alot.
the reason most vans rot is because of neglect, the transit is probably one of the cheapest and is also one of the most popular vans with the non private owners, companies dont look after vans, they just want to make as much money as possible from them. VW's and the like are usually owned by private owners and therefore the owners will look after them more. You wont put my van down mate, i know i got a bargain and i also know that when i go out each morning it will start first time so im happy
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£3700 for a fookin 15 yr old nail, thats way overpriced , that is about £3k over the odds !
Its a vw! Not a ford or vauxhall that shall be rotten and/or ruined after a 100,000.
sorry i have to partly disagree with your statement above, i have just bought a 150k transit and it was a much better vehicle than the 100k sprinter that i originally went to see, also you see more old transits on the road than any other vehicle, they are not the best selling van for the simple reason that they are cheaper. its because they are a bloody good workhorse.
Not having a go im just putting my opinion across. :)
they are a good work horse, though the bodywork does get rusty quickly
the spinter was dogged with rust issues ( rear tail gate bottom ) and sliding doors bottom, though having said that, the VW T4 suffers from rust on the wheel arch
Exactly, I completely understand about them going strong. But to find one with high miles that isnt rotten is very very hard, Unless there miles have been done recently.
Even then, I have seen 53 plaste trannys rotting, my mates is.
Just saying vw have a name for a reason. And hold thier value for the same reason.
Not meaning to put your van down in any way bud. I love transits, and the fact they keep going, but they do rot alot.
the reason most vans rot is because of neglect, the transit is probably one of the cheapest and is also one of the most popular vans with the non private owners, companies dont look after vans, they just want to make as much money as possible from them. VW's and the like are usually owned by private owners and therefore the owners will look after them more. You wont put my van down mate, i know i got a bargain and i also know that when i go out each morning it will start first time so im happy
Thats fair enough mate, was never trying to put your van down in the slightest.
Just from my experience, and ones I have owned. Ford and vauxhalls rot easy, not oly the vans. But then you have a valid point about private ownership.
Maybe the ora around tranny etc being workhorse's mea they see more neglect and Vw's as collectors or the status thing meas they are cared for more.
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I have just bought a 55 plate tranny,they are good/brilliant vehicles,I have driven them for years,But VW are better by far,the build quality is far superior,and so is the ride quality IMO, unfortunatly I just could not justify the amount of money VW's are going for for their age/milage,one day maybe when I am on £45 an hour being a window cleaner 8)
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chopsie is right
you cannot compare a ford transit to a VW T4 / 5
the build qaulity is different ( though i believe some of the T5's are suffering in that dept )
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I have a VW transporter,a Renault Trafic and a Citroen Berlingo. The Trafic has been a nightmare. The other two are great vans (aren't they all when they don't break down or fail an mot?).
Aren't VW's galvanised?
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my old place moved over from transits to vivaro's,they have had nothing but trouble,they just can't take the stick a tranny can,but the man in charge sees they are cheaper,so buys them.
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Hi
This topic got me wondering as I always believed that insurance companies would be interested in vehicles that were modified like fitting alloys, lowering suspension, engine performance tuning etc.
As my insurance is due I 'played' with the quote for my Hdi Citroen Relay with Evan Insurance and was quite suprised what they add on. These are what relevant are to me.
Standard insurance £295.00 per annum
With Roofrack + £8.30
With fitted Watertank + £76.16
With towbar + £15.70
Tinted Windows on rear doors + £8.30
Sign writing - + £0.00
I then decided to add a towbar to my Suzuki Carry 1.3
standard + £2.60.
Out of interest, I didn't find an added accessory that would reduce my basic cost of insurance.
Spruce
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Out of interest, I didn't find an added accessory that would reduce my basic cost of insurance.
Spruce
tracker or alarm
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Hi
This topic got me wondering as I always believed that insurance companies would be interested in vehicles that were modified like fitting alloys, lowering suspension, engine performance tuning etc.
As my insurance is due I 'played' with the quote for my Hdi Citroen Relay with Evan Insurance and was quite suprised what they add on. These are what relevant are to me.
Standard insurance £295.00 per annum
With Roofrack + £8.30
With fitted Watertank + £76.16
With towbar + £15.70
Tinted Windows on rear doors + £8.30
Sign writing - + £0.00
I then decided to add a towbar to my Suzuki Carry 1.3
standard + £2.60.
Out of interest, I didn't find an added accessory that would reduce my basic cost of insurance.
Spruce
eVan are pretty much ripoffs. Go directline, they do not charge extra for any of that.