Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bad trippy on November 24, 2009, 09:49:34 pm
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Ok gonna buy the 18ft slx for my mrs when Alex gets em back in stock.
On the buying options you get to pick the brush you require but i aint got a clue what they are, here is the list
flocked dual trim (dont know what flocked means or dual trim?)
Dual trim?
Single trim.
Can someone help me choose which brush and also tell me what they mean
I thank you
trippy
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and now for an answer.
dual trim - two different length bristles, helps scrubbing
single trim - figure it out :)
flocked - fluffy bristles
mono - like a regular brush bristles.
personally i'd go for the dual trim mono.
I have this brush on 2 poles, I find its the best for me.
Matt
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so why did non of you like the flocked duel trim, did you have one before using the mono, or was it reomended, or what was your reason for changing over to mono
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We used to use the dual trim monos on our poles, but Alex recommended the dual flocked and we have have stuck with these now. Great for scrubbing, and also for rinsing on the glass, also found they are better for use with hot water.
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My experience has been I had complaints with the flocked but never have with the mono dual trim.
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I find the water flows better through a mono brush than a flocked.
I used the unger extel flocked and didn't like it.
Matt
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sorry to ask all these question, so which would you say was the better for first cleans, i mean glass not clean in a year for instance, would you say the mono, then for regular maintainance the flock or just use the same mono, i have the sl-x but have no experience with the brushes or know which one is for each job
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I was going to try the flocked one next,... reconsidering it now!
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My experience has been I had complaints with the flocked but never have with the mono dual trim.
I have had no complaints with either. I always used a mono vikan, best brush i had used but heavy, that was until i tried a mono from Alex. Then i asked about a different brush as we had alot of first cleans to complete, Alex said use the flocked one, ordered a couple and now use these all the time. We find them much better at scrubbing and they glide across the glass well imo.
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I was going to try the flocked one next,... reconsidering it now!
What do you use at the moment with hot water?
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i did have a little trouble with the flocked brush, but i think that was down to me using the sl-x for the first time, on 2 and 3 ups, the pole is light and the brush to, i was used to the xtel and harris with sill brush, so i put it don to the lightness of the brush and working at height, i had trouble scrubbing with the flocked brush, or am i using the wrong one for that height for scrubbing power,
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
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What do you use at the moment with hot water?
I've a dual trim mono superlight that desperately needs replacing,.. it doesn't like if the water goes much over 70 degrees though,.. I did manage to deform some bristles a while back on a first clean!
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
i used and still use the sill brush, and never had 1 problem, but now am working higher, its a whole new ball game, so from what i gather from everyone the mono seems to be the best choice, so if i get one of those i wont be a pap ;D
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
That's the one thing that puts me off. I rinse on all the time, and never get any complaints, don't see any spots either, that is using a mono. Would love to try a flocked brush though.
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
It doesnt matter if you have dirt on the brush as the most important part of the cleaning process is the rinse.
brushes do get dirty, as you are using them on dirty glass, remember, the brushes are there to "gently agitate" the dirt not buff it up like a microfibre or scrim.
Matt
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
It doesnt matter if you have dirt on the brush as the most important part of the cleaning process is the rinse.
brushes do get dirty, as you are using them on dirty glass, remember, the brushes are there to "gently agitate" the dirt not buff it up like a microfibre or scrim.
Matt
I know you aren't well experienced yet with wfp, but that post couldn't be further from the truth. If you rinse off, yes. If you rinse on, having a clean brush that doesn't hold much dirt is very important.
A good mono does not get dirty on maintenance cleans. :)
Why you would ever want to rinse off is another matter alltogether. I do not think it is ever necessary to lift off, just more chance of injuring yourself. I've been rinsing on for over a year now, and never get any problems. It's down to the perfect brush from Gardiners really. Don't have to worry about it anymore, I just get on with the clean. Perfect.
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I use the dual trim mono. Great brush but to be honest, the dual trim feature has little affect above 18ft as it's hard to get enough pressure on to get the inner (shorter) brissles to touch the glass.
I'm going for the single trim mono next. ;)
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flocked brushes collect and keep dirt, so you are scrubbing the dirt off and its stuck to the fluffy bristles,...and trailing all over the glass.
pap. ;)
It doesnt matter if you have dirt on the brush as the most important part of the cleaning process is the rinse.
brushes do get dirty, as you are using them on dirty glass, remember, the brushes are there to "gently agitate" the dirt not buff it up like a microfibre or scrim.
Matt
I know you aren't well experienced yet with wfp, but that post couldn't be further from the truth. If you rinse off, yes. If you rinse on, having a clean brush that doesn't hold much dirt is very important.
A good mono does not get dirty on maintenance cleans. :)
Very true.
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I always rinse off, at the mo I haven't any windows that are high enough for me to rinse on. the highest windows are 30ft.
Matt
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Tim I only use mono, tried flocked but found it doesnt rinse as well as mono.
Matt
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I use the dual trim mono. Great brush but to be honest, the dual trim feature has little affect above 18ft as it's hard to get enough pressure on to get the inner (shorter) brissles to touch the glass.
I'm going for the single trim mono next. ;)
Yea, it's funny how the Dual trim doesn't really matter in that way. I've never used a full trim mono, but I can imagine a Dual trim glides more easily over the glass because less bristles are in contact with it.
Tim I only use mono, tried flocked but found it doesnt rinse as well as mono.
Matt
Have you tried rinsing on? You might be surprised. :)
Most of my work is sub 30ft as well, but rinsing on is so much easier on the body, arms and back, even with an SL-X. Then again, I've got a very high rate of speed, and I would be in serious danger of RSI or worse if I would attemt to rinse off at that speed.
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Tim I only use mono, tried flocked but found it doesnt rinse as well as mono.
Matt
The unger (re-branded vikan) flocked brushes are poorly jetted. Way too close to the centre of the brush!
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Yea, it's funny how the Dual trim doesn't really matter in that way. I've never used a full trim mono, but I can imagine a Dual trim glides more easily over the glass because less bristles are in contact with it.
Yeah but a pain when you require more scrubbing power. More bristles in contact with the glass = less work, especially high up. ;)
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I haven't had any problems, physically, when I rinse off.
its down to personal preference in my eyes, I have the SLX and find it a doddle to rinse off.
I was rinsing off with a 24ft extel pole with a vikan brush lol
Matt
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Flocked brush shifts dirt on 1st cleans easier than mono but it starts bleach runs easier as well on perished black rubber window frame seals, especially if using hot water.It's also kinder on georgian style wooden window frames.
Safer bet for newbies is to buy a mono filament and you can't go wrong.Single trim has more scrubbing power but double trim reaches everything.
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Trippy it doesn't really matter which of these brushes you get. It will be a better alternative than most other types anyway. Alot of what you read on here is just semantics.
Whichever brush you buy, you will learn to use it to its best ability and you will post on a future topic like this, that the brush you bought is very good.
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I use a duel trim flocked a fantastic brush, I like it more than the vikan mono, I have tried loads of brushes, and the dtf is great for rinsing on or off the glass, lite enough.
I did try a mono version and did not like it at all, but I think this has been changed by alex for a newer version now :-\
Ian
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I use a DT for my SL-X35, Mono for cut down SL-X and a ST/Flocked for 1st cleans.
Cheers
Dave.
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Ok i've never used wfp, but considering it for the new year. I have a couple of questions from reading this post.
1) is there a brush that's suitable for all jobs, ie first cleans, maintainance cleans, high level & low level cleans.
2) rinse on & rinse off, would I be correct in thinking Rinse off- scrub glass first then hold brush back allowing water to rinse glass. Rinse on - hold brush just off glass to rinse debris then scrub ?
May be obvious to the experts, but thought I would ask.
Thanks Paul
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Trippy it doesn't really matter which of these brushes you get. It will be a better alternative than most other types anyway. Alot of what you read on here is just semantics.
Whichever brush you buy, you will learn to use it to its best ability and you will post on a future topic like this, that the brush you bought is very good.
Well said Mark.
It's true, any of the super-lite range will be fine. A lot does come down to personal preference or specific types of job. As said, I use the dual trim mono for 100% of my wfp work & it's more than up to the job. It's just sometimes I think for higher work I could benefit from the full trim by having all the bristles in contact with the glass, so that's why I'm gonna try it. ;)
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Hi Trippy.
The dual trim super light mono filament is the same brush I sold you on those X-tel poles a few months back.
18FT SLX with this brush would make a good choice for your other half to use on a daily basis, if she's strong the 30FT SLX might make a better choice if your thinking of taking on work at greater height.
P.S got 50 metres of mini-bore if you know anyone who's interested.
Simon
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Ok i've never used wfp, but considering it for the new year. I have a couple of questions from reading this post.
1) is there a brush that's suitable for all jobs, ie first cleans, maintainance cleans, high level & low level cleans.
2) rinse on & rinse off, would I be correct in thinking Rinse off- scrub glass first then hold brush back allowing water to rinse glass. Rinse on - hold brush just off glass to rinse debris then scrub ?
May be obvious to the experts, but thought I would ask.
Thanks Paul
I use a dual trim mono for everything. Its the only brush I have ever used really, but it does the job fine.
Rinse on/off, means rinsing with the brush on or off of the window (ie touching or not touching the glass) but it is still done after the scrubbing part. cos the bristles of the mono dont hold dirt as much as the flocked(so I am told) it is easier to get a good finish when rinsing with the brush resting on the glass.
AsI said, I use the dual trim mono for everything, high, low, first clean, maintenance clean, sills.
It works for me, and if it ain't broke don't fix it!!
Cheers
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Hi Trippy.
The dual trim super light mono filament is the same brush I sold you on those X-tel poles a few months back.
18FT SLX with this brush would make a good choice for your other half to use on a daily basis, if she's strong the 30FT SLX might make a better choice if your thinking of taking on work at greater height.
P.S got 50 metres of mini-bore if you know anyone who's interested.
Simon
cheers for that simon
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Hi Trippy.
The dual trim super light mono filament is the same brush I sold you on those X-tel poles a few months back.
18FT SLX with this brush would make a good choice for your other half to use on a daily basis, if she's strong the 30FT SLX might make a better choice if your thinking of taking on work at greater height.
P.S got 50 metres of mini-bore if you know anyone who's interested.
Simon
cheers for that simon
Welcome :)
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i,ve used all of gardiners superlite brushes and for me the single trim is the best , it splays really well and makes mincemeat of snail trails regards alan
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Dual trim flocked was my favorite for a while untill it caught me out leaving a trail of spots where the bristles had dragged the glass on a rinse. Tend to stick with the mono dual but as young Anthony said it doesn't bring the short bristles into play at height (unless you use a scaffold pole).
I've got a single trim mono in the van somewhere - can't remember why I don't use it ???
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i have all three and flock is best
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Dual trim flocked was my favorite for a while untill it caught me out leaving a trail of spots where the bristles had dragged the glass on a rinse. Tend to stick with the mono dual but as young Anthony said it doesn't bring the short bristles into play at height (unless you use a scaffold pole).
I've got a single trim mono in the van somewhere - can't remember why I don't use it ???
YOUNG? :o Oh, thank you Davith, one's cheeks are reddening! ;D
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I bought the dual trim flocked and so far am very happy only because thats all they had is stock.I will buy a mono in the new year. I think its lightness is what counts for me I feel I have such control even at heights.
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I have all three brushes.
I have currently gone back to the flocked brush on my 18' sxl pole instead of the Mono dualtrim brush.
You will be happy with any of the brushes, but I would point out to those who use the superlite rinseing on the glass that the brush bristles are monofilimant but they are bunched together therefore they hold dirt so you risk leaving spots as the brush holds dirt at the point of impact with the glass. If you compare them to a True monofillimant brush like a Salmon brush,ie The cleaning spot brush you will find that each individual bristle stands on its own at the pont of impact on the glass hence it will not hold dirt.
The flocked bristles are softer then the mono bristles so you dont need to apply as much pressure on the pole. It glides easier on the glass then the mono. Its a faster brush as when you drag it down the window it cleans the entire glass that the brush passes over in one sweep, you will have to do 2 sweeps with a mono brush as the brush misses tiny fractions of the glass because the mono bristles are grouped together in clumps. so extra scrubbing is required. Though the flocked brush is lighter when dry then the mono in use the flocked is heavier as the brush holds more water then the mono.
The single trims are good but tey sit of the window more and dont weld around the frames as well as the dual trim.My advice go for the flocked,its good on first cleans,its better at moving snailtails but its a touch soft in the bristle department.You should rinse of the glass with any pole you get off Alex as the monos are not True mono Filimant brushes.
Neil