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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Deep Cleaning Solutions on November 23, 2009, 01:30:58 pm

Title: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Deep Cleaning Solutions on November 23, 2009, 01:30:58 pm: ......on domestic propertys?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250534360940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I am in the process of starting up and i think i have most of the gear needed.
What do you think of this KARCHER FP222 floor Polisher for aggitation.
I had a practice on my stairs and landing yesterday using a aggitating brush,
and it almost killed me off. :-[
To be honest i want a sebo duo,but don't have much budget left for a new one,
and second-hand ones on ebay seem to be rare.
If the KARCHER FP222 is no good would a rotary type polisher/scrubber/buffer work on domestic house's as there are loads on ebay or would they be to heavy and cumbersum.Cheers.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: peter maybury on November 23, 2009, 01:53:09 pm: you wouldhave to disable the vac if you wanted to use it to aggitate prespray as it is not a wet vac. It only has a small motor so how effective it would be on carpet is questionable it may not even turn the brushes.
I would be interested to hear from anyone who has any experience of the machine though.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com. (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com.)
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Jim_77 on November 23, 2009, 01:56:09 pm: It doesn't say what RPM the machine runs at, but if it's designed as a buffer/polisher I reckon it's going to be 400RPM or more, definitely NOT suitable for carpets!! It'll chew them up.

No budget for a Duo??? They're not that much, think of all the labour it'll save you, after a few jobs you'll be glad you got one.

Something like a 15" rotary is a great tool to have, mine travels everywhere with me. It's a great machine used with the brush block for polyprops or any trashed carpet with hair/fluff in it, and bonnets for less minging work :)
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Derek_Walker on November 23, 2009, 02:12:17 pm: This is definately not designed for carpets, you will do lots of damage to the pile as this machine runs at 700 rpm.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: clinton on November 23, 2009, 02:42:36 pm: The guys are right in the above posts..

With the high rmp,s the machine spins will also scorch and mark the carpert if your not carefull..
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Mike Halliday on November 23, 2009, 03:20:54 pm: you'll burn the motor out in 30mins using it on carpets or the brushed won't even turn , it is not designed to handle the ressitance created by carpets, the motor is too small.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Bob Robertson on November 23, 2009, 03:52:03 pm: You would be better buying this you wont regret it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370295074565.

I paid £180 for a second hand host and after a couple of years spent £300 refurbishing it , worth every penny!
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: nevil on November 23, 2009, 04:56:41 pm: I once tried something similar. It was a two brush machine made by hoover. I shortened the handle and just used it on stairs. It work well but the motor was under more strain than it was intended for. Also I didn't think it was promoting the right image to the customer.

Frankly I was embarrassed using it. On black top it was king, although because of it's small size it was slow but very effective.

I would argue that the rpm issues mentioned above are irrelevant. Rpm is not the issue. It's velocity. Work out the velocity the bristles on a 19 inch brush move over the carpet by using the Rpm 150 and the circumference of the brush. The do the same for the Karcher machine. I wouldn't think there is too much difference in the two.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: gwrightson on November 23, 2009, 05:14:27 pm: dont even consider it ,

I did try one once, really just to see if it was suitable for small areas etc, over heated, under powered and not worth a fiver .

geoff
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: david_m on November 23, 2009, 06:57:43 pm: buy a carpet brush 20 pound
job done

i an oreck, sebo duo, plus texatherm floor machine
only time i use an of them is in pubs
never on domectic and i only ever use the texathem floor machine

Davy
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Deep Cleaning Solutions on November 23, 2009, 08:32:21 pm: Cheers chaps...thanks for the input.I will look into the Host system tihson mentions,has anyone else used a host for aggitation.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Bob Robertson on November 23, 2009, 09:09:26 pm: Look out for a 2nd hand host Reliant or T6.
http://www.hostvonschrader.co.uk/reliant.html

You could also look out for an envirodri, which people say are good machines.
http://www.envirodri.com/product_range.html
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Joe H on November 24, 2009, 07:47:25 am: Host is excellent for agitation.
As is the Envirodri
As is the machine Restormate sell.
As will be the Prochem equivalent.

I have an Envirodri.
Tried the Host and Restormate one.
No experiance of the Prochem.
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Jim_77 on November 24, 2009, 09:18:34 pm: Quote from: nevil on November 23, 2009, 04:56:41 pm
I would argue that the rpm issues mentioned above are irrelevant. Rpm is not the issue. It's velocity. Work out the velocity the bristles on a 19 inch brush move over the carpet by using the Rpm 150 and the circumference of the brush. The do the same for the Karcher machine. I wouldn't think there is too much difference in the two.

! ! ! ! 8) ANORAK ALERT 8) ! ! ! !

15" rotary at 180rpm has a circumference of 1.2m which means a velocity of 3.6 metres/sec at the outer edge.

Assuming brushes on the karcher machine are 6", they have a circumference of 0.47m and a velocity of 5.5 metres/sec at the outer edge

The karcher's brushes are roughly 50% faster moving than a rotary.

but that proves nothing! The pressure will affect what's happening.

Also, there are loads more factors but I'm starting to bore myself now so I'll shut up :)
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: Robert Watson on November 24, 2009, 09:32:10 pm: Aye ;)
Title: Re: Can i use this for aggitation.....
Post by: nevil on November 24, 2009, 09:45:26 pm: Quote from: Jim Neal on November 24, 2009, 09:18:34 pm
Quote from: nevil on November 23, 2009, 04:56:41 pm
I would argue that the rpm issues mentioned above are irrelevant. Rpm is not the issue. It's velocity. Work out the velocity the bristles on a 19 inch brush move over the carpet by using the Rpm 150 and the circumference of the brush. The do the same for the Karcher machine. I wouldn't think there is too much difference in the two.

! ! ! ! 8) ANORAK ALERT 8) ! ! ! !

15" rotary at 180rpm has a circumference of 1.2m which means a velocity of 3.6 metres/sec at the outer edge.

Assuming brushes on the karcher machine are 6", they have a circumference of 0.47m and a velocity of 5.5 metres/sec at the outer edge

The karcher's brushes are roughly 50% faster moving than a rotary.

but that proves nothing! The pressure will affect what's happening.

Also, there are loads more factors but I'm starting to bore myself now so I'll shut up :)

You really need quantum theory to nail this one. ::) Do you want to kick it off. If so I'm going to grab my coat ( nice blue anorak) and get out of here. :)