Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sunshine/Cleaning on November 21, 2009, 08:06:53 pm
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For this poll we will assume that you have a second man working for you, you don't employ so you dont pay NI and Tax, not strictly how it should be but it happens.
This is for a % of the days total. Please vote twice as the one owning the work and as someone working for the owner.
Thanks
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I'd never thought about a percentage. I pay £8 an hour, but fill him up with pasties and doughnuts etc.
A percentage might be better.
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I'd never thought about a percentage. I pay £8 an hour, but fill him up with pasties and doughnuts etc.
A percentage might be better.
What do you expect to turn over? if its £200 then the % would be just less than 25%
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earnings posts always start arguments, but here goes.
A couple of things opened my eyes.One was a guy sending a two man team out and expecting them to beat 400 before they went into bonus.Another was a guy i know who can crack 100 an hour.Maybe i am niave for believing them.
My own experience has been that i can match you on hourly, but do not do double with an extra guy.But while i was matching you there would be some hours and days worse than others.As a two man team my lowest after ex's is always better than my highest as a solo.It's pretty consistent too.
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earnings posts always start arguments, but here goes.
A couple of things opened my eyes.One was a guy sending a two man team out and expecting them to beat 400 before they went into bonus.Another was a guy i know who can crack 100 an hour.Maybe i am niave for believing them.
My own experience has been that i can match you on hourly, but do not do double with an extra guy.But while i was matching you there would be some hours and days worse than others.As a two man team my lowest after ex's is always better than my highest as a solo.It's pretty consistent too.
so at what time do the two trains reach the station? ;D
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There have been a couple of rows about people bragging about earnings or other people not believing claims.This is second only to rows about religion and jw.So being a bit vague shuts the numptys and nellie know alls up (so i thought) while giving a full and very clear account to anyone with the intel to read between the lines.
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omnifish ;D
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earnings posts always start arguments, but here goes.
A couple of things opened my eyes.One was a guy sending a two man team out and expecting them to beat 400 before they went into bonus.Another was a guy i know who can crack 100 an hour.Maybe i am niave for believing them.
My own experience has been that i can match you on hourly, but do not do double with an extra guy.But while i was matching you there would be some hours and days worse than others.As a two man team my lowest after ex's is always better than my highest as a solo.It's pretty consistent too.
I get good days with 2nd man and he only does downstairs which is only really a third quicker yet we crack out some good days regularly hitting my best ever solo days on a regular basis, i think having company and extra initiative to work as your paying wage!!
But once we are fully wfp and can do a house each i should see some real money come in :)
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if you get good workers i would 60% to them nice incentive to work
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Yep I'd 60% as well if I was at home sipping tea and tucking into a bacon sandwich while there
out in the rain :D
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Peanuts Monkeys
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Matt,
I agree, it's always a confusing one, you want to pay them enough to keep your staff happy, but you also want to make a profit at the end of the day. There's pro's and con's for both paying percentage and paying a flat wage. If you pay a flat wage and are unable to do the work due to weather conditions then you are out of pocket, also if they are doing £200 a day for you and you're just paying them £48, then they feel they are being ripped off.
All our window cleaners are paid on what they do, they get 52% of turnover between them, ie: If a team of two do £300 in a day they'll get £156 between them, or £78 each.
Normally work Mon - Fri, however due to the recent weather the last couple of weeks they've been doing Saturday mornings till 12 o'clock.
We supply all the uniforms, shoes, protective equipment, window cleaning gear, vehicles etc.
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Good approach Ian.It's better than my way, but i'm feeling my way in this.I am tempted to make one of them senior.Ie. one of them is in charge and gets a higher wage, and the other is his helper.Then if the helper shows signs of responsibility give him his own van.
Just my thoughts.
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Then one day your employee fiddles about on his laptop one night and finds this forum :o "sod the pasties and the doughnuts - I'm off!"
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Cool, I hope my crew do find this forum, and realise what a damn good deal they're geting, at 60% :)
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if i send 2 men out for the day they get £100.00 each if they hit £500.00 which they usually do. what ever they turn over i simply take that number and divide by 5 to get they amount for the day, so if its £400.00 divide by 5 = £80.00 or if its £600.00 = 120.00 and so on
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I'm about to take a guy on full time good thread to read for me, as still not sure which direction to go I think % basis is fair to both sides, The big problem I see on paying a set wage is if you increase your business and give him more work to do for the same money he will get fed up and quit or try starting up his own w/c round I reckon 45% is a good starting point.
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I'm about to take a guy on full time good thread to read for me, as still not sure which direction to go I think % basis is fair to both sides, The big problem I see on paying a set wage is if you increase your business and give him more work to do for the same money he will get fed up and quit or try starting up his own w/c round I reckon 45% is a good starting point.
What works for one will not work for another, you need to work out what you can pay before you pay it, all well and good giving away 50%60% or more if you can after all expenses are done,do it without working this out and you will be working just to pay there wage.
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just to do the sums on £300 , 10% vat takes it down to £270, less 52% ie £156, this gives £114 gross. Defray £20 diesel, and running costs of £10, and we hit £84 net.
From the £84 net are admin, van and equipment etc.It's not a huge return.Anyone disagree with my sums?
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i would say between 30-35% i mean like slumps said its got to be worthwhile to the business owner too and if for eample you have two vans and two systems a unit and all other costs you wont be making much out of paying some one 50-60%.
but if you have 20 staff then maybe you will ;)
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just to do the sums on £300 , 10% vat takes it down to £270, less 52% ie £156, this gives £114 gross. Defray £20 diesel, and running costs of £10, and we hit £84 net.
From the £84 net are admin, van and equipment etc.It's not a huge return.Anyone disagree with my sums?
£20 on diesel a day ??
what they driving a monster truck lol
however your running costs will be expensive !! so i dont think your figures are far off
but although your "only " making £84 if you multiply this by the days in the year they work and by a number of employees - plus you can work too, that £84 is for relatively little work so its not bad when you look at it like that!
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I used to pay a guy 35% of whatever we made. 35% each and 30% for expenses seems fair enough to me.
I never once took double what I could do on my own.
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if i send 2 men out for the day they get £100.00 each if they hit £500.00 which they usually do. what ever they turn over i simply take that number and divide by 5 to get they amount for the day, so if its £400.00 divide by 5 = £80.00 or if its £600.00 = 120.00 and so on
Could you just clarify those figures please.
If two of your guys go out and turn out work that brings in £400 then they get £80 each and you get £240?
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I've thought about this for a while now, I thought about 20% to start with (say a months trial) then keep upping their wage when they are doing better, more work etc, say every 3 months.
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I supose I should have age assessed this question as you could get away with paying a 17 year old less than an established shiner who needs the odd day.
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Good approach Ian.It's better than my way, but i'm feeling my way in this.I am tempted to make one of them senior.Ie. one of them is in charge and gets a higher wage, and the other is his helper.Then if the helper shows signs of responsibility give him his own van.
Just my thoughts.
This is a good idea, but if you plan to expand (it sounds like it!)Why not give the first 2 equal responsibilty, therefore making them team leaders straight away.Then when you split them into 2 vans, you already have a structure in place. You then take on "helpers" to assist those 2 and so on. :)
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I have two people who are classed as supervisors and dictate what gets done by the others etc, they are also the ones who collect the money in and price up new work. They are on a slightly higher rate for this.
However, we are also looking to changing our whole system and paying everyone a basic wage each week, probably around 85%-90% of what they are averaging now, then at the end of every period, either 4, 8 or 12 weeks (yet to be decided) we pay them a bonus based on that periods work.
The main advantage to this is that if we have a wet week, like recently, then they will still get a regular wage coming in and at the end of the period they should also have a decent bonus as well.