Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darren O on November 21, 2009, 01:35:24 pm
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I thought its only fair of me to say that Sammi and her husband have kept to there agreement and i received the fist payment today.
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a lesson learned for us all i guess.
maybe we should think about posting certain things on here "after" we know all the facts to avoid upsetting anyone unintentionally.
well done both of you for sorting it all out through all this heated comotion.
derek
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Good news daren for all concerned :)
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I thought its only fair of me to say that Sammi and her husband have kept to there agreement and i received the fist payment today.
"received FIST payment". Is that similar to a Glasgow kiss? ;D
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glad u got it ok.cheers,
willie
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Peace, Love and Understanding Man 8)
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"NO"
"Ive just got something in my eye thats all".
derek
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Glad you got it sorted in the end :)
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Post from 28th October:
"Might be worth while getting an interim payment now, another in a weeks time and the balance when he says he can pay for it. obviously this course of action is tedious and would only really work if we are talking about a reasonably large amount.
With postal problems which your buyer could probably manipulate to their advantage you may want to consider getting him to pay you electronically into your account. that way nobody can hide behind banks not making the payment or worse, the proverbial "cheque's in the post, mate"."
Glad to see my observation became a reality.
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Thats over 6 weeks ago they paid me with a rubber cheque now its a complete joke after reluctantly letting them pay me in instalments they havent even kept to that its one crappy excuse after another they even have the cheek to go on the Buy And Sell section looking for carpet cleaning gear dirty fookers.
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How many instalments have been missed ?
Are you adding on interest?
Have you sought legal advice?
Can the item not be returned?
Is everything down in writing?
just a few thing to think about.
Andrew
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Money is the root of all evil - even more so xmas time - sounds like you not getting paid so just write it off as bad debt - and free yourself from the gnawing tress and anger - desperate folk like that aren't worth losing any sleep over.
Its supposed to be a happy family time so crack on and enjoy it mate
Best wishes
Stu
ps I will put a tenner into a "lost wand fund" if anyone else wants to contribute...
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Stu ive had a good week i will survive without it but it still pi$$es you off.
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I would not let it drop as a matter of principal.
If you buy something you pay for it. If you do not have the money for it you do without!
I would give him one final chance to return the wand or go collect it no messing!!!
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Got to agree with stu..
Try and just right it off darren as it will get to you..
Glad you have had a good week mate and am sure you will do well in the new year.
Saw the post on the buy and sell pathetic really, leaking tank ;D
Same here a tenner for you darren for the wand fund..
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When i say i will survive without it i mean will have to wait a bit longer but one way or another i will get it.
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Darren,
I have been reading this with interest. Don’t let this go unresolved and don’t let them get the better of you.
I hope you don’t mind me saying this Darren, but you have gone about this situation all wrong from the start, no offence to you.
1/ Firstly you need to go onto this site https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp
2/ Click on the link "I am a claimant" then click "I am a new customer"
3/ Fill out all your personal details (Name address ect). You will then be given a Customer Id and Password. You are now registered to use the service.
4/ Log in with your new details.
5/ Click "Start a new claim"
6/ You then enter a claim description, i.e. (Money owed for wand). Then click "Continue"
7/ You are then asked for your details once again, you are the claimant. Select that you are a organisation and fill out you business name address ect.
8/ You will then need to fill out the defendants details, these are the wand thief’s details including postcode, add both Mr and Mrs as defendants. You enter how much is owed to you.
9/ You then need to make a payment to the court using a debit or credit card of around £35 (don’t worry this is added to your total claim on the N1 claim form, so should get it back).
10/ Then you fill out a N1 claim form, which includes your details (Claimant) and the wand thief’s details (Defendants). Add both as defendants (You will need to fill his and her names out and address twice). You need to be quite brief on the details of the claim but do include dates of phone calls letters ect.
On the bottom right part of the N1 is this the cost details. Put in "Amount Claimed" how much they owe you. In the "Court Fee" section add the £35.00 or ever amount it has cost you to claim. Leave solicitor costs as nothing. add both amounts together for total.
11/ Get you partner or someone else to check out what you have filled in on the N1, make sure all the dates times are correct in the "Particulars Of Claim Section"
12/ On the part that says "Does, or will, your claim include any issues under the Human Rights Act 1998"? Select NO for this.
13/ Type you name and date to sign the document.
14/ All the details are then sent electronically to be verified. This will take around a day. Then you claim is sent to the batching processing office.
15/ The next working day you claim is sent 1st class to the defendants address but is deemed as served 5 days after the day they will have received the letter.
They then have the options to ......
Pay your total claim.
File acknowledgement of service. This allows them 28 days from served date to file a defence or contest the courts jurisdiction.
Dispute the whole claim. The court will send you a copy of the defence.
Admit that all money is owed. The defendant will send you a completed admission form and you may ask the court to enter judgment.
Admit that only part of your claim is owed.The court will send you a copy of the reply form and you will have to decide what to do next.
Not reply at all. You may ask the court to enter the judgment.
This is the professional way of dealing with the situation and will give you a satisfactory result.
Good luck with it
Regard
Pete
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Thats terrible! she had the cheek to come on here too and ask questions! cheeky buggers!
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Peter i didnt even no that existed cheers will look into it tomorow.
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Peter,
Re: County Court Action
I agree your suggestion is the professional way to go, however, I have been down that route with a couple of my non-payer's. Total waste of time/good money after bad. It is unfortunate that there are people out there who take advantage of other's good nature. Darren O, as suggested by other's before me, go get YOUR goods back. Untill paid for the item still belongs to you. IMO
Adrian
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Darren
if you get a court judgement it means they have a judgement against them on their record, even if they pay.
This makes it awkward to get credit in the future.
I took a non paying client thro the system, we went to court (just a judge and the 2 parties), the judge tore a right strip off her,must have been embarrasing for her. She paid inc costs, but a few weeks later she had to write to me asking for a letter to confirm she was free of the judgement. Needless to say I took my time giving an answer.
Its an option for you.
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Adrian,
It's the principal, not the cost. I would pay £35 to take someone to court for £20, I would move mountains to get what they owe me.
I disagree in what you say, court action is highly affective for the outlay and even if it fails, it leaves a CCJ on the defendant’s credit history, that affects everything that requires credit, car insurance, home insurance, mortgage re-payments, everything.
If you’re in financial trouble before you get a CCJ, your going to be in a spiralling catastrophe when you get one, when everything you pay in instalments goes up 100% due to your risk factor.
Joe,
Did she ask you write and sign a letter to get her CCJ removed?. You should have said NO and left her to deal with it.
I had a begging call from someone who refused to pay me and ended up in court. About six months later the call came from them begging in tears for me to request the removal of there CCJ. They had been refused a mortgage because of it. I just told them to live with it.
Regards
Peter
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I got ripped for 60 grand this year by a lottery winner, my solicitor is going through the process , so I will now show no mercy ,even for a tenner. It is the principle , these rip off merchants ruin it for everyone else , and may do it to someone who can not afford it at a later date.
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Joe.
Did she ask you write and sign a letter to get her CCJ removed?. You should have said NO and left her to deal with it.
Thats right Pete. She was stuck. I released her too quick.
Going back to the "court", the judge was on the verge of doing her and her husband for purgery. It got serious.
I wouldnt recommend anyone to be on the receiving end of a court judgement.
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This whole situation beggars belief - the original debt was only £240, now it's only £120 - if you can't afford to pay £120 then you can't afford to even be in business for yourself.
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This whole situation beggars belief - the original debt was only £240, now it's only £120 - if you can't afford to pay £120 then you can't afford to even be in business for yourself.
The point is , people like this will do it to someone else if they keep getting away with it, and the someone else may not be able to afford it.
I could afford to lose the 60k , it hurt yes , but not the end of the world , I will not write it off though.
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Jason, what were you knocked for £60k for ? Surely it wasn't anything cleaning related was it ?
Steve
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I sold a business, they defaulted on the payments for it , it was harder work to operate than they thought .
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Jason are you with chem dry?
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Jason, have you still got the Range Rover Sport ?
Steve
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Not been with CD since 2002
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ah ok how did you find them?
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Jason, have you still got the Range Rover Sport ?
Steve
No I have rented it to someone until things improve
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ah ok how did you find them?
I can not grumble overall , I started at age 22 with them ,they taught me lots , very high charges though for all supplies and equipment, I have been far better off financially since going it alone, I regularly talk to franchissees , and quite a lot are tied via debt and low equity , and will be for many years , there are a few elite who are making a VERY good living , most are slaves though.
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The silence is deafening from his wife you couldnt shut her up a few weeks ago.
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The local Chem dry down the road from is quiet. His van never moves. It is a shame for people who have put so much money into it.
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Give us a ring Jamie, cant find your number .
Roy
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I think that you should take legal action Darren. They are bouncing cheques on you & not even calling you to say...look were abit short this week can we pay next week..... I find it disgusting that they have not even called to say there is a problem.What they have done is actually THEFT.
Richie.
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Peter,
Yes, I agree with all that you say, but, at what point do you give yourself more hassle and stress than the amount (owed) is worth. I know the principle is correct and in a perfect world we would all get our money. Some of these people are well known to the courts and bailiffs. Following the award of a Judgement by Default, I enquired after one of my defaulter's with the bailiff service, as soon as I mentioned the guys name they laughed. Is it really in my best interest to spend another £100 to chase a debt and blacken the name of someone who doesn't care anyway? I suggest not.
Jason.
I would be suicidal if I was owed £60k. Are you on medication? Interesting comments about CD, my local chap is very quite also. I wonder if it's the new "wonder bubbles" that are not going down very well. I have been called out to a couple of jobs that had both been done about three weeks previously and were dirty again. (That's just an observation by the way and not a general criticism about any CD operator)
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In response to Carbo clean below..
Well it can not possibly be carbonating , as heat drives off co2 , you would need one of Chem Drys patented machines in order to pipe 2 elements of the solution separately , forcing them to mix immediately prior to hitting the surface being cleaned, unless you are offering the carbonatED system, which is past tense, and Chem dry got rid of in 1997, which means it is nothing like the Chem dry system and you are offering a lookalike system to customers under false pretenses.
Of course there is a small chance that you tell customers that you use a system similar to what chem dry last used in 1997, with your payment record over £240 quid I doubt that your integrity spreads that far.
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Sammi iam fed up with your exuses i was promised it last week then you sent me a email the day after i was supposed to get my cash with another exuse then i was promised both payments on Friday you the send me another email on saturday afternoon saying i will have to wait to after the new year now i dont trust a word that comes out your mouth.You new fine well you werent going to pay me this week you could of at least picked up the phone and told me.You,ve had nearly 7 weeks to get this sorted.
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I dont like doing this on a public forum but people on here should no what they are like and stay well clear of them.
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Darren, it is now obvious that these people are taking the p. It would seem to me that they are waiting for you to get bored and just right the debt off. Whatever you do...DONT RIGHT IT OFF. Issue a county court judgement against them and get them blacklisted. Ok they may be the type of people that dont care but id still do it. Or, take a drive to their home wait for him to turn up in his van and start removing stuff to the same value from his van. It may be a good idea to take someone with you just in case he gets violent. DO NOT get violent with him though. These people are obviously scammers. His wife came on here saying that they are not and tried to convince us all that they are decent people. If they were decent they would have by now paid you for the wand even if it meant borrowing from family or friends. For gods sake....its a small amount they owe you so why cant they just borrow it instead of creating all this hassle. As i have already said though...DO NOT GIVE UP ON THIS DEBT.
Richie.
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Richie its pathetic its not even about the money now iam not gonna get bumped of these idiots.
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Darren
Got to agree with richie now as at first i thought just to write it off..
It was a good deed you did with letting them pay later and they didnt even have the decency to pay up..
But with all the other avenues you can take i woul do a county court action and i know its a long process but they will have at least bad credit ratings after it..
Start it monday darren.. :)
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It's obvious reading the older posts that you have been strung along.
At the time his wife was on here you almost felt sorry for her and it was all very plausible. Hubby off to do a big job away from home and then you get your money. Yeah right! Well words are cheap where is it? Obviously you are not top of the list for being paid.
No doubt there is a new hard luck story being brewed up.
Two options
Like above apply for CCJ
OR (and seriously consider this)
Let it go. Why? Because apart from the cost of the wand you have the toll upon you and your family. A bitter pill, and most won't but you have learned a lesson and could move on. They will always be Losers, you will always have the upper hand because you can build your business and move forward.
Mike
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Gaining a couty court judgement doesnt always get you your money thats due. a number of years ago I was called in by an insurance loss adjuster to save some pipe burst water damaged carpets.
I succesfully restored them and the client was so imprssed, in the following few weeks I did a couple of refferal jobs from him.
However it was his duty to pay me from the proceeds of his insurance company cheque (Thats how things were done over 25 years ago). He wouldnt pay so I got a judgement. He still wouldnt pay so I sent the bailiffs in at my expense. He ignored them so I sent the supervising bailiff in, again at my expense. He was refused peaceful entry and was not authorised to force an entry, so that route came to a dead end.
The client made a final offer of £50, which I accepted as I was about to give up hope of getting anything. After the court and baliffs expenses were taken into account, I was left with about £5 and thats not to mention the 2 days off work for court appearance etc.
Just to clarify about county court judgements. Once a judgement has been entered against someone it stays on record for 6 years no matter what. The judgement originator cannot change that. All they can do and should do, once the amount has been paid in full, is to notify the court that the debt has been satified. The debt will then be marked on the court record as 'Satisfied'. It still remains on the records for the remainder of 6 years.
Dave.
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Dave,
You do not pay bailiffs a penny, they charge a recovery cost to the defendant. No win no fee. This may not of been the case when you used them.
They are determined little swine’s who will stop at nothing to get what is owed to you and them. And this should cost you nothing.
The charge invoice is...
Total x
Court costs x
Solicitor costs x
Bailiffs costs x
Grand Total x
All to be paid by the defendant.
Regards
Peter
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Mike,
I really dont think that ...LET IT GO is now a option as this is now a matter of principle.
Darren, the best thing you can do in my eyes is get judgment against them starting from 1st thing in the morning. NO WAY are these people decent. I didnt post anything regarding this problem till the other day because it all seemed abit over the top. However, NOW itis obvious to me that they had little if any intention of paying you. The longer you leave it the less likely you are to get anything done. As stated it is not about the money any longer. The main reason i would now go down the CCJ / Bailiff route now is because bailiffs will not stop till they get the money owed and it will cost them even more which in my view is what they deserve after ripping you off. Its a shame really that this didnt happen earlier in the year so the bailiffs would end up going in close to christmas and taking goods to pay for everything owed. Yes they may sound abit heartless but in my opinion that is what the deserve.
Richie.
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http://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowAllQuestions&ShowASQAlways=1&frm=284&iid=220526008322&ssPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_VI&redirect=0&requested=0141kyle
might be well off the mark but are they at it again? and does this ebayer deserve to know just in case....
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The people selling the 360...is that who has ripped Darren off?
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I think its the same Sammi just spelled her name different.
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Darren o don't give up on this people like them should not be allowed to run a business, see how they don't have the balls to come on here now
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has she/he left the forum? was she replying to this thread? sounds like Darren was talking to her on here but there's no posts of her's.
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Tony its on the buy and sell section i think she locked it.
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oh, says she's a guest. Maybe she has deleted her profile on here. Dirty buggers.
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The enforcment of a Court Judgement by the Bailiffs office requires a Warrant of Execution. This costs £100.00
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Sorry, forgot to add that the £100.00 is added to the total claim and is refunded if action is successful.
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Scottish law is different to english, your better off with a small claims in scotland......its not nice this carry on but they cant get away with it new start or not!!!!! if they are starting a new company why are they bothering get a job....... and stop dragging the Industry down..
I thought is was sick some of the comments before on this but she came on shoutted her gob off.....where is the hubby...........????? Hes no man thats what i say...