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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on November 19, 2009, 08:43:56 am
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1.very low overheads!
2.NO EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS!WAAHEY!
3.a lot less hassle!
4.NO freezing problem in winter![if u cover ladders up with a sheet!]
5.DRY WINDOWS!custys happy!
6.NO runs/spotting or water on pathways!
7.keeps u fitter with ladder work!evens out the strain on body with climbing/some trad pole work to give the knees a rest!
8.bird poop/snail trails/pollen/grease not a problem u can see it and scrub!
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please feel free to add to this! ;)
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The chance of falling off your ladder.
The chance of your ladder slipping on ice in the winter.
Not for me thanks... A few months ago a friend of mine fell when his ladder slipped and broke both his arms... He keeps saying he's fortunate to be alive. He's now WFP.
Andy
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why would i put a ladder on ice?i use trad poles a lot of the time! ;D
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1.very low overheads!
very expensive when the fall leaves you off work for six months (if you're fortunate)
2.NO EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS!WAAHEY!
if you maintain your equipment properly you'll have very few probs whatever you use
3.a lot less hassle!
wfp, don't worry about falling to your death, a lot less hassle!
4.NO freezing problem in winter![if u cover ladders up with a sheet!]
easily overcome
5.DRY WINDOWS!custys happy!
CLEAN WINDOWS! custys happy!
6.NO runs/spotting or water on pathways!
do it properly no runs/spotting, water dries
7.keeps u fitter with ladder work!evens out the strain on body with climbing/some trad pole work to give the knees a rest!
you get out what you put in, trad or wfp
8.bird poop/snail trails/pollen/grease not a problem u can see it and scrub!
again you get out what you put in
I think you are mixing user faults with system faults ;)
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Combine the two & have the best of both worlds!! ;)
No limits, no safety issues, everybodys happy! 8)
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what van do u have MAC MAC?im thinking of berlingo/combo/connect,kangoo type and just getting a 250lt tank so i can at least offer WFP to custys!some on here are havin a go at me if from time to time i might top up my tank on the job!whats the problem.ive known a lot of custys for years and most are not on meters!i quick top up at dinnertime and some on here think im a cowboy!i dont want a big van for my domestic round.35tds around here so just DI for me.
regards dazmond
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dazmond,
I use a Peugeot Partner with a 250 DI set up from Brodex, here it's about 44tds, most days 250l gets me through, but I have no prob topping up at customers if they have an o/s tap, in fact most places i top up the cust offered the use of the tap without me having to ask. It doesn't really matter what folk on here think about it, if the cust is happy, then you're happy ;D
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The chance of falling off your ladder.
The chance of your ladder slipping on ice in the winter.
Not for me thanks... A few months ago a friend of mine fell when his ladder slipped and broke both his arms... He keeps saying he's fortunate to be alive. He's now WFP.
Andy
IMO you can work safely up a ladder if firstly your not rushing to try and get them done quicker, avoid working if the floor is slippery and if in any doubt get someone yo hold the ladder and dont work if it's really windy wet or icey.I bet most accidents happen when people are being to risky trying to get work done quicker it's just not worth rushing.There are people out there who have been working on ladders for 50 years and never had a fall the problem now in all trades there are some people that rush about like blue a**ed flys because they are greedy for more cash my brothers a builder and he's one of them.
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what van do u have MAC MAC?im thinking of berlingo/combo/connect,kangoo type and just getting a 250lt tank so i can at least offer WFP to custys!some on here are havin a go at me if from time to time i might top up my tank on the job!whats the problem.ive known a lot of custys for years and most are not on meters!i quick top up at dinnertime and some on here think im a cowboy!i dont want a big van for my domestic round.35tds around here so just DI for me.
regards dazmond
Kangoo 665d. 400ltr DI only (2 x DI's) ;). Here in scottish borders tap tds is 90ppm, no custys on meters around here (don't think they have 'em at all in scotland?) I often top up from custys tap, they don't mind at all. It's very handy as to be honest, will be looking for expert/dispatch next year. I still do plenty of trad when it's quicker/easier to do so or unsafe by ladder etc.
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My bro' inlaw carries a DI in his astra estate & plugs into custy's tap on his larger country houses!! He takes facelift pole & 100m of minibore.
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I dont understand if you go to the expense of getting a WFP set up that you dont use it 99% of the time, why go to the expense for it to just sit there and use it the odd time?
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thanks a lot guys for the input!just got back from the barbers.its really windy out there!too dangerous for ladders or poles!good to get a better response!how do u get a 400lt tank in a berlingo?sounds a bit tight on on the limit weight wise!is the brodex 250lt ok LEGION?SOUNDS V.EXPENSIVE FOR JUST TANK,PUMP,DI.1200QUID without vat!might buy everything online then get a local garage to fit the tank in van etc
best wishes to everyone
dazmond
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JRD i probably will end up using it on nearly everything once i get the hang of it and see how quick it is!but just cos i might top up sometimes on the job doesnt mean im a cowboy! ;D ;D
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no you wont be, if the custy asks you do you need water, if you really do i would take it, im always getting told to use the tap if i need it but they never understand i have a tank full in the van :)
Oh and dazmond ill say again check out surecleansystems (google it) as i got my 350ltr tank, frame around it, pump, 4040 RO, DI unit, all fittings etc, hose and reel, and 4 section 20 ft pole with soft bristle and hard bristle brushes plus fitting and a trigger all for just over 2500 try them out to see. If you have the van already he will be able to tell you what the max is that will fit.
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quick top up at dinnertime and some on here think im a cowboy!i dont want a big van for my domestic round.35tds around here so just DI for me.
regards dazmond
dazmond, that was your first mistake
caring when others on here think, some on here are very blinkered and have idea of grandeur ( they forget they are only window cleaners ), they are very quick to judge , some also think they are on a crusade to bring the publics perception of window cleaner to the same level ( and even beyond ) of the time served skills, electrician , gas fitter etc etc
you know your customers, if they will not mind if you top up at lunch time, just crack on and do it, you could even ask them if they are in
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thanks a lot guys for the input!just got back from the barbers.its really windy out there!too dangerous for ladders or poles!good to get a better response!how do u get a 400lt tank in a berlingo?sounds a bit tight on on the limit weight wise!is the brodex 250lt ok LEGION?SOUNDS V.EXPENSIVE FOR JUST TANK,PUMP,DI.1200QUID without vat!might buy everything online then get a local garage to fit the tank in van etc
best wishes to everyone
dazmond
i have a berlingo and 400 tank in the rear, i fill it to about 2/3 full and it works well, on 1 busy day i do fill it to the top and the berlingo doesnt really like it much, but the first stop is about 5 mins away and then that uses 100 L so its fine then
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thanks matt.u seem a down to earth guy and a real window cleaner! ;)im thinking of odering everything online and getting a local guy to fit tank in van.im sure i would save a bit of money.im looking at 2grand to spend incu getting some spares in with that!realistic?
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thanks matt.u seem a down to earth guy and a real window cleaner! ;)im thinking of odering everything online and getting a local guy to fit tank in van.im sure i would save a bit of money.im looking at 2grand to spend incu getting some spares in with that!realistic?
yes daz, give me your email addy or better still look at my profile and i will give you the number of my local guy who sells the stuff better than that heres the website address www.surecleansystems.com you will get a load of stuff from him for 2k i guarantee it, tell him i sent you if you ring him will you? Cheers
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thanks JRD i will have a look at the website!im looking at a few.pure freedom,brodex,gardiners etc.wont be buying anything until spring!i think that will be a good time to get a system for the better weather and gain some experience! ;)
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thanks JRD i will have a look at the website!im looking at a few.pure freedom,brodex,gardiners etc.wont be buying anything until spring!i think that will be a good time to get a system for the better weather and gain some experience! ;)
No m8 dont wait til then, buy now before the VAT increase in january :)
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i forgot about that JRD!im gettin a van first!protectacote it etc before building a system/or getting one fitted professionally.im crippled with indecision about vans/systems etc at the mo! :-\ :-\.
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i forgot about that JRD!im gettin a van first!protectacote it etc before building a system/or getting one fitted professionally.im crippled with indecision about vans/systems etc at the mo! :-\ :-\.
m8 if you give arthur from sureclean a call he will guide you through it all, try him ill telling you it will save you a bundle even if it is being delivered from NI to england :)
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im gonna go for a swim,lunch and then tot a few figures up on vans/systems etc.
thanks for all ur help guys! ;D
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thanks matt.u seem a down to earth guy and a real window cleaner! ;)im thinking of odering everything online and getting a local guy to fit tank in van.im sure i would save a bit of money.im looking at 2grand to spend incu getting some spares in with that!realistic?
yes, you will get change from 2 K
400 L tank is 150 quid from gardinerpolesystems, as you can fill up in the day, you might consider a smaller tank say 250 or 300 for 100 quid, personally i would go with the 400 L as it fits inside a berligo sized van nicely, though a 250 L tank will last me for 80 % of my days and you have the option to top up via DI
pump 90 quid
electrionic pump controller 100 quid
7 Litre Resin Bead Canister and Fittings 65 quid
25 L of resin 65 quid
hose and reel under 100 quid
poles and brush, its a personal choice, i love the RT zensorflex fishing pole as its soooooooo light ( 25 quid delivered ) upto a SLX which is near 500 quid with loads of poles inbetween in the price range
i have fitted my tank with straps, 5 tonne massive things, fitted into lorry tie down eye plates, bolted with 12.9 ( the strongest i could find )bolts though the chassis, the berlingo has holes at points up the chassis to help with drainage, i put nice big think spreader plates on the underside, i had a engineer look over it and he laughed at the amount of overkill i put into the job
personally i cannot do without my trolley, i just fill the trolley with a sub pump in my van and i find it easier and faster than moving the van every few houses, i my round is very compact though, the streets i do i do most houses on them
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thanks matt.what is ur tank?layflat or upright?fits ok in a berlingo?do u have trad gear as well,dare i say ladders and suchlike? ;D
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I went with brodex, as I had been looking at diy, but a really bad fall meant i had other things to deal with. the fitted system meant less worry if things went wrong.
however next time I will probably go diy.
http://www.wintecs.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=58_88_83&products_id=1084
the above link is a good place to start. wintecs are a good supplier, from there you are looking to add a pole, hose, tank.
i have a berlingo and 400 tank in the rear, i fill it to about 2/3 full and it works well, on 1 busy day i do fill it to the top and the berlingo doesnt really like it much, but the first stop is about 5 mins away and then that uses 100 L so its fine then
2/3 of a 400l tank? isn't that just about 16 l over a 250 l tank ;) ;) ;)
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I would buy a ready made pump box from cleantech. It comes as one box with digital varistream, hoselok connector each side for in/out & a lead to plug into your cig' lighter. just plug in & away you go. no mess, no wiring & 100% reliable! Easy to take out overnight in winter so won't freeze up. Last
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_26&products_id=100
£241 inc' vat.
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i went wfp 3 months ago and loved it BUT this week so far. Monday fell asleep while the van was filling woke up to find my footwells fall of water because i had parked on a slope. tuesday with a soggy van my pump packs up, ring up my distributor and they say send it back and we will have a look. so i pay for another one with special delivery of £24 so i dont miss another days work. wed i do four houses before the new pump gives up, pressure regulator i thought. so my distributor says they will send a new regulator for thurs. i borrow a ionic pump off a mate for thurs, after doin the back of one house i find a pond in the back of the van where the ionic pump is spuing water out the top through the wire gromet. my distributor then tells me they have no pressure regulators in stock so i end up buying another pump with special delivbery just so i can get a day in tomorrow.
Point is if i was still on the ladde4rs i wouldnt have hyad any of these problems. i am seriously thinkin of goin back :'(
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that is a bad run, but how did it start?
it wasn't the wfp, it was you falling asleep.
I like to flood the van at least every two months ;D
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not meant as a dig by the way.
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i can leave mine to fill and it stops automatically :)
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i need to get a shut off solanoid i know. im in the middle of moving houses and am filling up at my parents house so havent got a filling station like i did in my old house. just one of those weeks a i guess. just ordered a new pump and regualator so hopefully are be poling away again tmr
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i can leave mine to fill and it stops automatically :)
Same here, the supplier should fit one for you- a small ball-cock stop valve.
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why would i put a ladder on ice?i use trad poles a lot of the time! ;D
or else smash the ice with the ladder spikes ;D
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what are u driving at the mo DAZMOND ? THE plus of being trad is using hardly any fuel ,no need for a special heavy duty van , and trad gear never ever goes wrong does it
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ive got a car,used one for years.take the missus out in it at weekends as she doesnt like motorways or roundabouts!if i get a van ill only have that til i can afford a car as well!more expense!bobby all the wfp guys cant be wrong!i want to be able to compete with all window cleaners and in a few years i think trad only cleaners will be in the minority!apparently i can fit a 400lt in the back of a combo/kangoo/berlingo so dont need a big van! ;)
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As soon as i put my squeegee in my bucket at end of the day thats it- relax and no more thinking of it till the next morning . I havent tried water-fed-pole , but i would hate to spend even 1 hour making water ,fiddling with poles often
Theres always SECONDHAND WATER FED POLES on e-bay - get a working full set up there ?
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4.NO freezing problem in winter![if u cover ladders up with a sheet!]
Daz,
You obviously haven't had a really cold Winter yet have you? When its freezing cold, try washing a window with a mop and watch the water freeze almost as soon as its made contact with the glass. Its impossible to squeegie.
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4.NO freezing problem in winter![if u cover ladders up with a sheet!]
Daz,
You obviously haven't had a really cold Winter yet have you? When its freezing cold, try washing a window with a mop and watch the water freeze almost as soon as its made contact with the glass. Its impossible to squeegie.
happened to me once at 5.30 am, my mop stuck to the glass, when the store opened at 9.00 i purchased some anti-freeze screenwash to finish the job
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i have tosh!been window cleaning for 15 yrs all year round!time to go home when the water freezes on the window or just use damp scrim! ;D ;D
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I would buy a ready made pump box from cleantech. It comes as one box with digital varistream, hoselok connector each side for in/out & a lead to plug into your cig' lighter. just plug in & away you go. no mess, no wiring & 100% reliable! Easy to take out overnight in winter so won't freeze up. Last
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_26&products_id=100
£241 inc' vat.
good call, just plug in and use
you only need to add the tank and hose / hose reel
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i went wfp 3 months ago and loved it BUT this week so far. Monday fell asleep while the van was filling woke up to find my footwells fall of water because i had parked on a slope. tuesday with a soggy van my pump packs up, ring up my distributor and they say send it back and we will have a look. so i pay for another one with special delivery of £24 so i dont miss another days work. wed i do four houses before the new pump gives up, pressure regulator i thought. so my distributor says they will send a new regulator for thurs. i borrow a ionic pump off a mate for thurs, after doin the back of one house i find a pond in the back of the van where the ionic pump is spuing water out the top through the wire gromet. my distributor then tells me they have no pressure regulators in stock so i end up buying another pump with special delivbery just so i can get a day in tomorrow.
Point is if i was still on the ladde4rs i wouldnt have hyad any of these problems. i am seriously thinkin of goin back :'(
That's bad luck. But even with wfp, you want to take the ladder and trad gear with you.
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I would buy a ready made pump box from cleantech. It comes as one box with digital varistream, hoselok connector each side for in/out & a lead to plug into your cig' lighter. just plug in & away you go. no mess, no wiring & 100% reliable! Easy to take out overnight in winter so won't freeze up. Last
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_26&products_id=100
£241 inc' vat.
good call, just plug in and use
you only need to add the tank and hose / hose reel
and the poles(of course!).I have a back pack and pole at moment.this sounds good cheap way of me getting a van up and running.ready made pump,tank and hose reel,is that everything then?i could have a van set up for £440 plus cost of whatever van i choose,sounds bloody good and very tempting
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i have tosh!been window cleaning for 15 yrs all year round!time to go home when the water freezes on the window or just use damp scrim! ;D ;D
Then you had better delete No 4 on your original list! No, I'll give you that stuff freezing up on you is worse with WFP than it is with trad.