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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jays Window Cleaning on November 15, 2009, 03:36:00 pm
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Are you able to install 250 ltr water tanks in estaste cars?
jay
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I have done it before, but it looks crap.
Are stick to a van.
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Little boy Steve?????????
My girlfriend would not say that ;D
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Little boy Steve?????????
My girlfriend would not say that ;D
sry corrected is that your little boy Steve ?
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You mean profile url. oh yer. Leo,11 weeks old already.
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It looks crap? Did i hear you right...
If it works who cares. Some of you need to get over this van busines sometimes!
What estate have you got mate?
Heres the measuremnets for the 250 flat tank
Height..........325mm
Width...........825mm
Length.........1100mm
Just measure it out ;)
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It looks crap? Did i hear you right...
If it works who cares. Some of you need to get over this van busines sometimes!
What estate have you got mate?
Heres the measuremnets for the 250 flat tank
Height..........325mm
Width...........825mm
Length.........1100mm
Just measure it out ;)
just because you now have an estate and no van becuase you missus made you sell it, dont start getting all stressy :-*, wfp in an estate car does not look to good really does it.
I have nothing against estate cars I used one when trad, thank god when I crash the last estate car I had I did not have 275 kg of water behind or I would not be here now cars are made to carry people not water so that now brings in the people that also drive people carriers :P
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i use a estate car but i use freedom trolley with drums, i got a small flat 70ltr tank i use to use but i stick with the drums,
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Sensai LWC Thanks for the info . Some of us can't start from scratch with a new shinny van when we only have a small round. Id love a new van but untill i have a bigger round then my estate car will do me . We have al gotta start some were.
jay
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Vans are not crash tested like cars are so no telling what will happen in an accident .
But I prefere my ol escort van to the estate I had before ( skoda )
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hats off to the car lads i say !! ;D
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My comment was aimed directly at LWC to make his head spin round as I know it annoys him.
Fair play to anyone making a living as long as it is safe who cares I started out in a car and a shed load of debt to start window cleaning
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It does make my head spin right round ;D
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i had to work out of my daughters t reg rover 200 (3 door) (10 containers of water) last month while my van was in the garage....pain in the rear, but needs must........i reckon if you can afford a van then go for it, but you can easily work from an estate car if you need to.
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Wouldnt stan lend you his handcart scrimmy
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Wouldnt stan lend you his handcart scrimmy
No last I heard the dog had run off with it ::) ;D
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Surely you can't work wfp for a whole day from an estate car ??? ??? ???
There's no way a 250l tank would last all day and I can't imagine a 400l tank fitting ???
Think I'll stick to my Transit; plenty of room for work gear and fishing gear ;D
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Why a 250 litre tank? What about a 175 litre tank?
175 litres of water weighs about the same as 2 large adults - so an estate car would be quite safe enough. Laid flat with battens to stop the tank moving forwards/backwards or sideways, there wouldn't be a problem if you're only using the estate for travelling round town (i.e. 30 mph or less).
You can nip home to re-fill, if necessary. It depends how many houses you intend to do WFP per day.
Get a van when your 'round' warrants it.
If you want to use the estate for longer/FASTER trips - empty the water out.
Mike
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I started off with a car then I went for the estate car but I never fancied the idea of having that tank in the back because I needed the car for the family so I opted for a trailer system and I even built my own trailer that I still have today.
My mate still uses an estate card with a 250ltr tank fitted, he does say you can feel the weight in there when its full, along with all the other gear he carry's and his ladders on the roof.
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It looks crap? Did i hear you right...
If it works who cares. Some of you need to get over this van busines sometimes!
What estate have you got mate?
Heres the measuremnets for the 250 flat tank
Height..........325mm
Width...........825mm
Length.........1100mm
Just measure it out ;)
Well, it did look crap!! Mostly because i had not much room left. even me poor trusted dog had to stay behind :(. The WFP set up trashed the estate car. It is not meant to be used has a van.
If you are going to trash an old estate car, you might has well get an older van.
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cheers fellas for your points of view. Gonna stay with gerry cans i think till i get a big enough round to get a van. My whole round is only walking distance from my house. 70 odd houses,
Cheers jay
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It looks crap? Did i hear you right...
If it works who cares. Some of you need to get over this van busines sometimes!
What estate have you got mate?
Heres the measuremnets for the 250 flat tank
Height..........325mm
Width...........825mm
Length.........1100mm
Just measure it out ;)
Because if it looks crap, the customer may think its a con. and may think that you are a cowboy.
First impressions last in business, after all we are all in business to make money.
and a reputable company would be more successful than one that isn't.
Matt
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it does look chavy to me; more to the point if you had a bump
with a tank in the back it wouldnt work out to well ins wise would you be coverd?
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i expect most of us started off with cars or estates b fore vans .
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Why a 250 litre tank? What about a 175 litre tank?
175 litres of water weighs about the same as 2 large adults - so an estate car would be quite safe enough. Laid flat with battens to stop the tank moving forwards/backwards or sideways, there wouldn't be a problem if you're only using the estate for travelling round town (i.e. 30 mph or less).
You can nip home to re-fill, if necessary. It depends how many houses you intend to do WFP per day.
Get a van when your 'round' warrants it.
If you want to use the estate for longer/FASTER trips - empty the water out.
Mike
exactly, its easy enough to fit eye bolts and secure the tank
for info purposes only, you know the risks with a 250 L in the rear, if in doubt consult a engineer, i take no responsibility for what you do after you read this info
infact if you search hard enough you will find the same size threaded bolts that secure your seat belts with a EYE on the top of them, they are made for securing racing harnesses in track cars, just remove the seatbelt bolt and change for a eye bolt, you allready have 2 built in points
then fit 2 more in the rear ( boot area )
get the strongest you can find, i went overkill and got the top range stuff when i did mine, i think it was Class 12.9
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It looks crap? Did i hear you right...
If it works who cares. Some of you need to get over this van busines sometimes!
What estate have you got mate?
Heres the measuremnets for the 250 flat tank
Height..........325mm
Width...........825mm
Length.........1100mm
Just measure it out ;)
Because if it looks crap, the customer may think its a con. and may think that you are a cowboy.
First impressions last in business, after all we are all in business to make money.
and a reputable company would be more successful than one that isn't.
Matt
i agree, no-one wants a brain surgeon to arrive in a old car
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so would it be ok carrying 5 25ltr gerrys in the back of an estate?
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so would it be ok carrying 5 25ltr gerrys in the back of an estate?
[that would be more pikey than chavy ;D/quote]
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I'd just stick it all in a trailer, then at least you don't bugger up your motor.
You'd just have to get used to thinking about where you drive before you get there ie turning and not getting stuck in a dead end.
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i have a astra van, and have to use all 4 seats, so it is a bit like an estate, i find that it is ok, but i would get a 125 litre or 175 tank as this will fit better
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so would it be ok carrying 5 25ltr gerrys in the back of an estate?
i worked for years with 10 X 25 L barrels in a estate car
to be honest though, dont let the " window cleaner / brain surgeon snobs " put you off the idea of a small tank, it works well
most if not all customers do not care how you arrive to clean the windows, you are a window cleaner, they want clean windows, if you arrive in a top end van, a old banger car or a new Porsche 911, they just want clean windows, its fairly simple, though some just dont get it
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Look ive had the vans,
(http://ladderless-window-cleaner.co.uk/images/vans.jpg)
...and im saying to you dont be so snobby, you will find as matt said, no one really cares what you turn up in. Do a good job, and work on from there. If youve got the money for a van then get one, but you can earn the same money out of estate car as you can in a van. Ok cant carry as much water but just go re fill.
Ive done the windows out of all sorts of vehicles, my frst one was a clapped out old ibiza, not the best condition, and i was always picking up work.
Sheeeeese guys. Let me tell you summit my little red van always picked up work, non stop, 2 - 3 a day in the street. And that van didnt cost very much...then i had the big posh setup, posh van...and i hardly ever picked up news ones on the street. They wouldve thought, "hes too expensive"
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We are brain surgeons now??
Because we think putting a water tank in a estate car is a bad idea.
I have no problem with 25ltr drums. I used to carry 5 in the back when I first started. Just its a pain, when you have work away from your home town, because of running out of water.
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matt what size tank could i put in my estate safely?
cheers jay
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matt what size tank could i put in my estate safely?
cheers jay
measure how much space you have in the rear, then go from that size
250 L would be my choice
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heres my van, doors a bit dodgy though ;D ;D
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heres my van, doors a bit dodgy though ;D ;D
I would get that door sorted out Joe or it will run the battery down ::)
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Look ive had the vans,
(http://ladderless-window-cleaner.co.uk/images/vans.jpg)
...and im saying to you dont be so snobby, you will find as matt said, no one really cares what you turn up in. Do a good job, and work on from there. If youve got the money for a van then get one, but you can earn the same money out of estate car as you can in a van. Ok cant carry as much water but just go re fill.
Ive done the windows out of all sorts of vehicles, my frst one was a clapped out old ibiza, not the best condition, and i was always picking up work.
Sheeeeese guys. Let me tell you summit my little red van always picked up work, non stop, 2 - 3 a day in the street. And that van didnt cost very much...then i had the big posh setup, posh van...and i hardly ever picked up news ones on the street. They wouldve thought, "hes too expensive"
I'm not saying have a large van, what I am saying is we are tradesmen, MOST tradesmen use a van of some sort.
IMO if someone can't afford a van then I would tell them to look at the trailer option.
Matt
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Matt,
them leaflets you are putting out. Could you send me a copy please. Just to have a nose. Do you have any special offers on them?
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Steven you have an email.
Matt
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For my brand new Peugeot van I pay £35 a week. You can lease the same from varitech with WFP setup already installed for not much more.
Why mess about trying to put a tank in an estate car?
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much depends on how long you have been in the biz .
if you are in the first 2 years you really need an estate car,as this will draw in far more folk on the street to you , FAR MORE . (dont buy a snazzy looking van too early is my tip )
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much depends on how long you have been in the biz .
if you are in the first 2 years you really need an estate car,as this will draw in far more folk on the street to you , FAR MORE . (dont buy a snazzy looking van too early is my tip )
I couldnt agree more.
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much depends on how long you have been in the biz .
if you are in the first 2 years you really need an estate car,as this will draw in far more folk on the street to you , FAR MORE . (dont buy a snazzy looking van too early is my tip )
I couldnt agree more.
and me, it amazes me the amount of people who think you really need a van and ionics top end system to succeed in this biz, it traditionally a working mans game ( even worse to be honest, most see it as a top-up-your-dole type of job, sorry folks, but thats the public perception ) the customer wants clean windows, thats it
we used to have the same arguement with the DIY WFP system V's the pro installed system, the customer would think you were a cowboy if they saw in the back of your van you had a tank fitted by yourself, no really we did, it was very common for people to spout that rubbish, they truely believed that a customer would come and ask to see inside your van then note the tank wasnt secured in a "crashed tested manor " , it seems even funnier now
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much depends on how long you have been in the biz .
if you are in the first 2 years you really need an estate car,as this will draw in far more folk on the street to you , FAR MORE . (dont buy a snazzy looking van too early is my tip )
I couldnt agree more.
and me, it amazes me the amount of people who think you really need a van and ionics top end system to succeed in this biz, it traditionally a working mans game ( even worse to be honest, most see it as a top-up-your-dole type of job, sorry folks, but thats the public perception ) the customer wants clean windows, thats it
we used to have the same arguement with the DIY WFP system V's the pro installed system, the customer would think you were a cowboy if they saw in the back of your van you had a tank fitted by yourself, no really we did, it was very common for people to spout that rubbish, they truely believed that a customer would come and ask to see inside your van then note the tank wasnt secured in a "crashed tested manor " , it seems even funnier now
WE as legitimate businesses can work to change the publics perception of window cleaners.
I have lots of recommondations from customers who state, that I look and act very professional.
Matt
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much depends on how long you have been in the biz .
if you are in the first 2 years you really need an estate car,as this will draw in far more folk on the street to you , FAR MORE . (dont buy a snazzy looking van too early is my tip )
How do you come to that conclusion?
Matt
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if you seek ONLY the hi-brow upper crust customers, maybe a snazzy van may impress them . but for the everyday semi ,the rank n file folk, the impression of an oldish car /van is what they REALLY want you to be in .
your van MB is allrite as its ageing (no offence) and as your building up ,id stick with it , once rounds is full you can treat yourself to a new one .just my opinion
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Are you able to install 250 ltr water tanks in estaste cars?
jay
If you have the seats down, then yes.
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For my brand new Peugeot van I pay £35 a week. You can lease the same from varitech with WFP setup already installed for not much more.
Why mess about trying to put a tank in an estate car?
sounds ok....how much deposit did you pay and how long is the rental?...do you get to own the van/equipment at the end of the term?
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if you seek ONLY the hi-brow upper crust customers, maybe a snazzy van may impress them . but for the everyday semi ,the rank n file folk, the impression of an oldish car /van is what they REALLY want you to be in .
your van MB is allrite as its ageing (no offence) and as your building up ,id stick with it , once rounds is full you can treat yourself to a new one .just my opinion
I have a full round up in Leicester cornelius, I have moved down to Essex and building a round down here.
The main thing I would say is a van can fit so much more kit in than ANY estate car, the last thing you want is to look clumsy at the customers house. If you invest in a WFP system, you can afford a van. you can pick up a reasonably decent van for less than £1K
Matt
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if you seek ONLY the hi-brow upper crust customers, maybe a snazzy van may impress them . but for the everyday semi ,the rank n file folk, the impression of an oldish car /van is what they REALLY want you to be in .
your van MB is allrite as its ageing (no offence) and as your building up ,id stick with it , once rounds is full you can treat yourself to a new one .just my opinion
I see the van as a tool, as I have quite a bit of kit, for which the escort van is not large enough.
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if you seek ONLY the hi-brow upper crust customers, maybe a snazzy van may impress them . but for the everyday semi ,the rank n file folk, the impression of an oldish car /van is what they REALLY want you to be in .
your van MB is allrite as its ageing (no offence) and as your building up ,id stick with it , once rounds is full you can treat yourself to a new one .just my opinion
I have a full round up in Leicester cornelius, I have moved down to Essex and building a round down here.
The main thing I would say is a van can fit so much more kit in than ANY estate car, the last thing you want is to look clumsy at the customers house. If you invest in a WFP system, you can afford a van. you can pick up a reasonably decent van for less than £1K
Matt
so a guy pulls up with a estate car and pulls out his hose ( or his cart ) and his pole and away he goes
hardly clumsy is it ? ? ?
we could say that a van of 1 K will look older and you will look like a scruff in a tatty old van, its easy to find fault with everything if you look hard enough
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im thinking i really want to see a big estate ,with a big tank wedged in somehow. if anybody knows of one,get a photo and flag it on here .
in my town are the wackiest one iv seen is a trad car(bmw estate) it has big green crosses stuck on it, "first aid for windows" and the guy driving it looks wackey ;D