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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ste M on November 08, 2009, 11:42:59 pm
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Hello im just about to buy my van to go fully WFP. Im getting a scudo sized van now and im looking at a 400ltr tank. How easy and costly is it to do the set up yourself and where would you get all the equipment?
Anyone got any pics of their set ups as that would be even better.
cheers ste
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i got my between wintecs and gardiners and cost me less than 500 all in inc battery and pole
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i got my between wintecs and gardiners and cost me less than 500 all in inc battery and pole
what size is that then? i was hoping to also have the possibillty for 2 man working and also external ports so the van can be locked
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anyone else?
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I have a 400L tank in my dispatch. I have these tank fixings from cleantech:
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_25&products_id=90
Took it to a local garage and got it installed for £80.
Bought a leisure battery from halfords. You can use just a pump and control the flow manually with a tap between the tank and the pump.
Or you can get a pump controller to do it.
Cleantech do pump boards for £213. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago about finding flojet pump for £85. These are i think the best pumps (very few problems with flojet pump posted on here over the years).
You just need a a switch to turn the pump on and off. About £3 from halfords.
Ask around here for cheapest place for tank as i don't know. Cleantech is a good place to start for most if not everything.
And gardiners for the poles. I reckon around £1k. But if you can afford, spend £1k on 2 poles from gardiners. The superlite being the main pole.
If you want a cheap disposable type pole, 17ft xtel is a fantastic little pole for ups and downs. For 6 months anyway. Mine lasted a year.
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i got my between wintecs and gardiners and cost me less than 500 all in inc battery and pole
I wish mine was like that, Im looking at £1700 all in :-(
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what ya getting krave?
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So far I have got
100 psi Flojet
Eco-Flo Controller
100m 6mm Microbore
Metal hose reel
HF5 4040 membrane + kit
35" Di vessel
350ltr Flat baffled tank
loads of hose + connectors
Still getting
22ft sl-x pole
1000 ltr Ibc tank
Sub pump
Inlet/outlet port for my van, might make my own.
Spent a fair bit on stuff that wasnt really needed atm, Just wanted the bigger bits and to be "future proof".
Plyed all my van and build compartments for bits and bobs too.
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what van have you got? where did you get most of your stuff from?
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I have a Astravan. Got everything other than the ro/di for Gardiners. Absolutely excelent service, Next day delivery and cheeper than anywhere for anything I have needed. Really could not recommend them more.
A few of the things on there site say out of stock or coming soon but I just called them.
Still working out where to put my static setup. :-\
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I can send you a pic tomo of the back of my van so far! Work in progress tho!
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How did you know what you needed? did you get your info of here or did you just call gardiners and tell them what you where after? have you fitted it all yourself?
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I can send you a pic tomo of the back of my van so far! Work in progress tho!
that would be brilliant, stemoney@hotmail.com. cheers for the reply and advise mate ;D
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On here, reading and asking loads. Was a bit of a venture going into (still am) Wfp, seems a bit daunting to start but people are v helpfull here. Some are pretty much idiots tho.
Are you looking at going with a static set up and pumping it to your van? Whats your budget and how big is your round atm if you dont mind me asking?
Im not the most knowledgeable person on wfp, but the amount of reading/researching I have done recently I can most probably help.
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On here, reading and asking loads. Was a bit of a venture going into (still am) Wfp, seems a bit daunting to start but people are v helpfull here. Some are pretty much idiots tho.
Are you looking at going with a static set up and pumping it to your van? Whats your budget and how big is your round atm if you dont mind me asking?
Im not the most knowledgeable person on wfp, but the amount of reading/researching I have done recently I can most probably help.
looking at pumping it into my van. budget is anything up to 2k really but i dont really want to go near that as i want to save a fair few for the gardiners poles, i currently have a backpack set-up as well as full trad(done that for 7 years) so ive got some kit already.
my round aint that big at the moment but im going to expand it a lot more when i have the equipment to cope with it, i know the work is there but in my current set up i couldnt cope.
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fair play, going alot longet than me then. Mine will be just under 1700 with all the above, which is gardiners sl-x poles, brush etc, the best ro possible. And spending a couple of hundred on my van, just to make things look neater lol.
Originally, I was intending on a backpack, then a £700 setup, then ideas got the better of me :-[
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fair play, going alot longet than me then. Mine will be just under 1700 with all the above, which is gardiners sl-x poles, brush etc, the best ro possible. And spending a couple of hundred on my van, just to make things look neater lol.
Originally, I was intending on a backpack, then a £700 setup, then ideas got the better of me :-[
i spent £600 recently on the backpack and other things to make sure that WFP was the way to go. all i can say is its brilliant. i dont think that is a bad price if you include the poles, i already have one that is about 32ft but it aint the best so i will stump out for the slx as i will need another pole anyway and then i can keep the one i have just for 3 story houses. I only need di as my water is fairly soft, although i refill at my in laws cos they aint on a meter, there water is slightly harder but FREE ;D
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fair play, going alot longet than me then. Mine will be just under 1700 with all the above, which is gardiners sl-x poles, brush etc, the best ro possible. And spending a couple of hundred on my van, just to make things look neater lol.
Originally, I was intending on a backpack, then a £700 setup, then ideas got the better of me :-[
I think you have bought a good setup. You won't need to change any kit for ages. Better to buy the most effective kit first, as you have done.
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fair play, going alot longet than me then. Mine will be just under 1700 with all the above, which is gardiners sl-x poles, brush etc, the best ro possible. And spending a couple of hundred on my van, just to make things look neater lol.
Originally, I was intending on a backpack, then a £700 setup, then ideas got the better of me :-[
I think you have bought a good setup. You won't need to change any kit for ages. Better to buy the most effective kit first, as you have done.
I hope so lol, just worried I have over done it, like with the ro, people saying it has to be used everyday to keep it working properly..... If im filling 1000ltrs, its not going to get used everyday. And then where am I going to put it and keep it from freezing etc. Still a lot of hurdles to overcome but should be good.
Also got to get off my ar** and get more custom, spent loads sign writing etc and web site, but havent actually got up and gone and got enough for one reason or another. Going to really go at it over the winter, not the best plan, but have to make up for where I have been a bit slack.
Ste m. What was it like going over, how where the customers? How much of a speed increase did you personally notice?
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If you have soft water there would realistically be no point in producing water at home.
Just have as big of a tank as possible in your van, fill with tap, then pump through di before hose reel etc.
That seems to be the way from what I have seen on here. A lot lot simpler, quicker and cheeper than ro.
Unless you will use a lot of water and want a ro to save n resin in the long run?
Do you know your tds, one of the more experienced guys will let you know for sure what the sbest option is depending on the reading! ( Dont want to come across like I know it all, I definately dont) lol.
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Ste m. What was it like going over, how where the customers? How much of a speed increase did you personally notice?
I practised a lot on my own house and my families, its hard not being able to see the finish on the top windows and trusting that the water will do what its supposed to do. I had told some of my customers earlier and explained it to them, they all looked forward to it, i then put a letter out explaining how it worked and that they would all have there frames cleaned now. i also told them that i could now clean conservatories roofs and other services.
the customers love it, i have asked nearly every one of them and they are made up. i have had 90% of them since i started though and they are mainly happy that im now safe and that i wont fall. i have personnally noticed that im upto twice as quick, its a bit slow at times cos i need to re-fill my backpack bt other than that i fly along and ive got the hang of it good style.
I have damaged the tendons in my left wrist though and the WFP action is playing murder with them at the moment so i aint enjoying it as much as i was
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If you have soft water there would realistically be no point in producing water at home.
Just have as big of a tank as possible in your van, fill with tap, then pump through di before hose reel etc.
That seems to be the way from what I have seen on here. A lot lot simpler, quicker and cheeper than ro.
Unless you will use a lot of water and want a ro to save n resin in the long run?
Do you know your tds, one of the more experienced guys will let you know for sure what the sbest option is depending on the reading! ( Dont want to come across like I know it all, I definately dont) lol.
my water at home is 060, my in laws is 074. never thought of doing it the other way around, filtering after the tank instead of before. good idea :D
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I would recommend taking a bit longer going round on the 1st cleans.
Most i think disagree with me on here, but going back and taking a quick peek at the windows at the end of the day, is where you will really learn wfp.
Some properties are fickle, but going back and seeing water marks and spots etc where you have cleaned will allow you to improve your technique for that particular job.
It does wonders for customer relations and no matter what, the only way to know for sure the jobs a good un is to see it when dry.
I think it only needs doing the 1st time. Recleaning where necessary.
Many on here said it is a bit of a waste of time when i mentioned this before. But seeing your own finished work will i believe do wonders for the speed you work on subsequent cleans.
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Cheers for the advise Mark.
With regards to the di, As I think about it, It wouldnt make a difference would it really if you you put the water through the di before your tank, as you could still fill up any where in the same manor really. Unless you did go static of course.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do,
Will mail you a pick of the van so far tomo, very basic atm, but im proud ;D
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Wouldn't having di in the van put more strain on the pump? I'm sure i read di has to go after pump cos the odd resin bead passes through.
If there is any truth in this, i think its much better to do it all at home and be done with it.
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had a superb price through off purefreedom today, just go to get the van now and then i will book it in with them i think
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Originally, I was intending on a backpack, then a £700 setup, then ideas got the better of me :-[
sounds familiar! :-[
well worth the gamble though!
i started off fairly limited in terms of budget, got all my gear for under £500 second hand, and replacing/upgrading bits as i go, which is a bit of a pain in the butt, but i had to start somewhere, and it was a great way to get me up and running.
if i had the money, i would have bought the best i could with the funds available, as not knowing the lifespan of certain items such as filters/pump/flow controller etc is a bit of a worry sometimes.
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Hi steve
Pure freedom do a really good priced system did you get any more discount over the phone or was it the price on the web. I am after a system soon i would like to use pure-efect as its on the doorstep and easy if i have any problems or any spares as it will be my first system i am a bit of a novice. You wonder if these systems are much the same and what componants make some systems more expensive. would love to go diy but think its beond me.
wardy
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Hi steve
Pure freedom do a really good priced system did you get any more discount over the phone or was it the price on the web. I am after a system soon i would like to use pure-efect as its on the doorstep and easy if i have any problems or any spares as it will be my first system i am a bit of a novice. You wonder if these systems are much the same and what componants make some systems more expensive. would love to go diy but think its beond me.
wardy
it was by email, i also got one off pure effect but they came in 1k more than freedom. send me an e-mail and ill send you the qoute over that both companies sent me stemoney@hotmail.com
ste
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Ste M, have you seen Matt's DIY WFP site? It could be helpful; I think you can google the link, or have a look around for Matt, check his profile and e-mail him for a link.
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whats his user name? matt ?
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whats his user name? matt ?
Yes, Matt, but google for DIY WFP and it'll be at the top of the list; at least it is when I do a search on it. Its been a while since I've been there, but its a helpful site that specialises in DIYing window cleaning stuff.
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whats his user name? matt ?
Yes, Matt, but google for DIY WFP and it'll be at the top of the list; at least it is when I do a search on it. Its been a while since I've been there, but its a helpful site that specialises in DIYing window cleaning stuff.
brilliant site, thanks mate