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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: thewindowcleaner1 on November 03, 2009, 04:04:00 pm
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Hi all
It's been a long time since my last posting but I still log on and read the posts from time to time .
any way the reason for this posting is as the title sugests.
please take the time to check out the link and then past it to an e-mail and send to every one in your contacts list.
and post it on any other forums you may be on.. Thank you
Please take a minute of your time for Madeleine McCann and help spread this special message around the world.
A new film has been released by the UK’s police organisation for child protection - the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre - aimed at anyone close to the person who was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. That person could be a relative, friend, work colleague or neighbour. Whoever they are, they have a secret that could reveal what happened to Madeleine.
In order to reach that person, CEOP are asking for the public’s help to share this message virally, via the internet, so that the message is so widespread it becomes one click away to the person who knows something about Madeleine’s disappearance. The message is then a constant reminder that it is never too late to do the right thing, to stop keeping this secret and pass this vital information to their local police.
You can view the full message which is part of a 60 second film at http://www.ceop.police.uk/ (http://www.ceop.police.uk/)
If you are online and part of an online community, you can help. Post the link on your social networking site, email your friends and colleagues and encourage them to share the film, blog and Tweet about the film and link to the website above. Do anything you can to spread this message around the world.
The message is available at http://www.ceop.police.uk/ and is in seven different languages – English, Arabic, French, German, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish.
This initiative is supported by Leicestershire Police, Interpol, Europol and international police agencies as well as specialist charities and NGO’s such as the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), Missing Children Europe and the UK charity Parents and Abducted Children Together (PACT).
So, please help. Take a minute for Madeleine and help share this message around the world.
Thank you
Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre
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just trying to keep post near top for 24 hrs hope Ian and David don't mind
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you not think they say the same thing to themselves everyday, your comment is pointless. Just imagine if you made a silly mistake and someone took your kid, have a heart ::)
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true !!!!!!! but it realy gets on my nerves when you see tiny kids on the street on there own and if anthing happens they say o they was out of my sight for a second but they are always out on there own and the first to get blame are a motorist who knocks a small kid over they say he was speeding when he was not some pepole want the money they get for the kids but not the resposalbilaty
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i feel sorry for the girl but nothing for the parents,i never left my kids alone so i could go on the p
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true !!!!!!! but it realy gets on my nerves when you see tiny kids on the street on there own and if anthing happens they say o they was out of my sight for a second but they are always out on there own and the first to get blame are a motorist who knocks a small kid over they say he was speeding when he was not some pepole want the money they get for the kids but not the resposalbilaty
My wife is a social worker so I know all to well what you mean fella.
But these people have made a major major cock up, yes they made a mistake and boy are they paying for it everyday, I know it would drive me over the edge..
Ian
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I think, if the British police were allowed to work on the case sooner, they would have had a better chance of getting a result. Didn't a missing kid turn up in Greece after about 10 or more years because the Brit police got involved? Seem to remember something like that.
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Let's hope for a miracle. I'm a father of 3, my youngest is a 9 year old girl and I don't even want to think what the McCanns have been going through. So as the OP said let's keep this thread up top for a while
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really want a happy ending to this.
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I think, if the British police were allowed to work on the case sooner, they would have had a better chance of getting a result. Didn't a missing kid turn up in Greece after about 10 or more years because the Brit police got involved? Seem to remember something like that.
20 month old Ben Needham went missing on Kos in 1991 but has never been found
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
That post is spot on!
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Dont you think that everyday they live with the fact of what they did
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yes but they did not nip for a ice cream for the children they went out for a meal and a good drink that is the diffarance i do feel sorry for them but lets not forget the facts
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i do feel for the parents but round here we have kids as young as 5 they play out on there own right by the main road and one;s in a wheel chair so it dose p me off when they say sorry it should not have happened it should be a lesson learnt for all parent. i have got two kids off mine own and they are not aloud out with out me or the mrs;s and mine are 13 and 11 years old no good telling the police its to much like hard work for them they just want the easy money off the motorist. (sorry to be so vain)
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They done the meal thing. Sure. But did they go on to have a good session afterwards? Not sure that's true. Bottom line is...........as sad as this seems. They aint to blame..........the pond life who felt they had the god given right to steal someone else's child, ultimately are the ones to blame in all this.
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
theres a differance between letting kids out of your sight and leaving them for the night while you go out with your mates
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
No, I think if they could turn the clock back, they would.
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this has got nothing to do with window cleaning!just post it on the non cleaning section!why on here for gods sake!! ::)
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They done the meal thing. Sure. But did they go on to have a good session afterwards? Not sure that's true. Bottom line is...........as sad as this seems. They aint to blame..........the pond life who felt they had the god given right to steal someone else's child, ultimately are the ones to blame in all this.
i agree but we all know there are car thieves about so you would not pop round the shop and leave your car open and engine running so why take the chance with your own kids. :'( :( :(
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They done the meal thing. Sure. But did they go on to have a good session afterwards? Not sure that's true. Bottom line is...........as sad as this seems. They aint to blame..........the pond life who felt they had the god given right to steal someone else's child, ultimately are the ones to blame in all this.
the only reason they didnt go on for a session this time is that they found out she was missing
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This thread is not about apportioning blame.
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I think in a way we all blame the parents, but they have lost something so precious to them ,they are regretting leaving her and would do anything to get her back.
We all make mistakes not this big, but we do all make mistakes.
I think we should just have a little hope Madeline is being cared for and not being abused, where ever she is.
Darren
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this has got nothing to do with window cleaning!just post it on the non cleaning section!why on here for gods sake!! ::)
Where nobody would read it? ? ? ? ::)
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This thread is not about apportioning blame.
No, it's about remebering Madeline. And, and I know this is harsh, but we ain't exactly gonna forget it in a hurry are we, not after all the publicity it attracted.
The Soham girls, Jamie Bulger, Baby P, the list goes on - all of it tragic and unbeleivable (not to mention unforgivable), but no amount of 'thinking about it' is going to make one iota of difference. Time was i would burden myself down thinking about tragedies which i could never change. Now i'm old i realise that thinking about something that's over and done with serves little purpose.
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....
remember, one day that could be you ::)
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
You are making it seem like they made a silly error of judgement. The fact is they left their children in on their own for hours. I remember this at the time, some news caster commented 'we have all done it'. No we bloody haven't and neither has most of that 9,999,999 you mention above. Yes we all lose sight of them for a few seconds or minutes, not many p of out for a meal leaving a 4yr old and 2 x 2yr olds on their own.
The best they could have hoped for is that they were all awake and hysterical when they got back, the worst ... well we all know that. The child is even reported to have said something along the lines of 'why didn't you come when I cried last night?' so it wasn't an isolated incidence. They had done the same thing the night before and god knows how many other nights.
Whatever the parents are going through is more than likely nothing compared to what that child went through/is going through.
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you not think they say the same thing to themselves everyday, your comment is pointless. Just imagine if you made a silly mistake and someone took your kid, have a heart ::)
A silly mistake is forgetting where your keys are/cleaning the wrong house/forgetting your pin number. Leaving your 3 children on their own while you go out for a meal with your mates is more than silly.
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....
remember, one day that could be you ::)
What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. ::)
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....
remember, one day that could be you ::)
What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. ::)
really? lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... ::)
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This thread is not about apportioning blame.
Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.
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This thread is not about apportioning blame.
Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.
AGREED
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Who hasn't let their kids out of sight at home or especially on holiday. I know i have. Does that make me a bad parent? I don't think so. Am i in the 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 who get away with it? More than likely. Don't ya think if they could turn back the clock, they wouldn't? People slate the Mccanns off but i think the reason this case upsets and plays on the minds of all of us is because we all know.......it could so easily have been any parent on the planet that's goin thru what them poor parents have been through. Negligent...sure, but by god, they didn't deserve that.
You are making it seem like they made a silly error of judgement. The fact is they left their children in on their own for hours. I remember this at the time, some news caster commented 'we have all done it'. No we bloody haven't and neither has most of that 9,999,999 you mention above. Yes we all lose sight of them for a few seconds or minutes, not many p of out for a meal leaving a 4yr old and 2 x 2yr olds on their own.
The best they could have hoped for is that they were all awake and hysterical when they got back, the worst ... well we all know that. The child is even reported to have said something along the lines of 'why didn't you come when I cried last night?' so it wasn't an isolated incidence. They had done the same thing the night before and god knows how many other nights.
Whatever the parents are going through is more than likely nothing compared to what that child went through/is going through.
spot on 100 %
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This thread is not about apportioning blame.
Read the first post and either do as it asks or don`t. It`s up to you.
Also, feel free to start a new thread about who was to blame but it doesn`t really help on this one.
::)
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Hi all
It's been a long time since my last posting but I still log on and read the posts from time to time .
any way the reason for this posting is as the title sugests.
please take the time to check out the link and then past it to an e-mail and send to every one in your contacts list.
and post it on any other forums you may be on.. Thank you
Please take a minute of your time for Madeleine McCann and help spread this special message around the world.
A new film has been released by the UK’s police organisation for child protection - the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre - aimed at anyone close to the person who was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. That person could be a relative, friend, work colleague or neighbour. Whoever they are, they have a secret that could reveal what happened to Madeleine.
In order to reach that person, CEOP are asking for the public’s help to share this message virally, via the internet, so that the message is so widespread it becomes one click away to the person who knows something about Madeleine’s disappearance. The message is then a constant reminder that it is never too late to do the right thing, to stop keeping this secret and pass this vital information to their local police.
You can view the full message which is part of a 60 second film at http://www.ceop.police.uk/
If you are online and part of an online community, you can help. Post the link on your social networking site, email your friends and colleagues and encourage them to share the film, blog and Tweet about the film and link to the website above. Do anything you can to spread this message around the world.
The message is available at http://www.ceop.police.uk/ and is in seven different languages – English, Arabic, French, German, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish.
This initiative is supported by Leicestershire Police, Interpol, Europol and international police agencies as well as specialist charities and NGO’s such as the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), Missing Children Europe and the UK charity Parents and Abducted Children Together (PACT).
So, please help. Take a minute for Madeleine and help share this message around the world.
Thank you
Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....
remember, one day that could be you ::)
What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. ::)
really? lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... ::)
Never suggested I was perfect. I merely stated I would NEVER be so selfish and irresponsible where my child is concerned. No need for hoping, it is a nailed on certainty and you can roll your eyes right out of your head and that still won't make you right.
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all i have to say is if you put your most exspensive pole at a wall on the street and whent to the pub would you exspect it there when you came back !!!!!!!!!! then why do the same with a four year old child !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets hope you never walk in the shoes of someone who just wishes "IF ONLY I HADN'T"....I personally would never leave my kids and go out for meal , and my kids are a lot older... but give the parents a break... they will be punished by their concience untill the day they die....
remember, one day that could be you ::)
What rubbish. The only way it could be me is if I made a thoroughly selfish and monumentally stupid decision regarding my child. I can guarantee that will never happen. I might make mistakes but it won’t be through my own selfishness. ::)
really? lets hope your right...afterall...you are an imperfect human being..... ::)
Never suggested I was perfect. I merely stated I would NEVER be so selfish and irresponsible where my child is concerned. No need for hoping, it is a nailed on certainty and you can roll your eyes right out of your head and that still won't make you right.
right...really???? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ok :D
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Why is it so hard to believe I wouldn't take such stupid chances with my child. You are replying as though I am some deluded fool and you are so much more intelligent and wordly wise. Maybe some people are simply responsible adults who put their childrenn first.
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Why is it so hard to believe I wouldn't take such stupid chances with my child.
Don't worry, it isn't, or to put it another way, i thought what you were saying was clear enough, at least to me. I think anyone can say that -esp. in light of the cause of which we are replying to- that anyone with even half a brain would never leave a child alone.
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Maybe the McCanns come from that generation that went to Butlins as a kid and the kids would be left in the chalets and the Redcoats would do a patrol and keep an eye on them? And yes any parent would kick themselves silly for the rest of their lives if it had happened then.
It would only take a gap of a few minutes for some ne'erdowell to clock when they were passing and take/injure a child. It is phenomenally rare for a child to be taken in such circumstances.
I beleive that there is as much chance of a "Sarah Payne" or a child being snatched on the way to/from school or from the local playground or even your garden as there was of the McCann girl going missing.
No I wouldn't leave kids that young in those circumstances but you can't wrap kids in cotton wool - my heart is in my mouth when my 11 year old goes to and from school with her friends and no adult accompanying, but they need to taste independence gradually.
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??? The bit I dont get is why did they leave the child in another country alone,they may well have only been a small distance away,its something you dont do :-\ the world can be a bad place,just hope they do find her :-\
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This conjecture doesn`t really help the McCanns.
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What exactly can any of us do to help them? If nothing else the debate is helping to keep the topic near the top of the forum where more people are likely to see it. You can't sanitise the topic just because you don't like or happen to agree with the views being posted.
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1.You help by doing what the original post asks.
2.It wasn`t a debate and can be kept near the top without making judgements.
3. I never said I liked/ disliked the views posted.
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It was posted on an open forum, blatantly in the wrong section, and we are not allowed to discuss it? Anything else you would like to decree while you are at it?
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1.You help by doing what the original post asks.
And clog more people's email boxes up with the message? Why? I rarely watch the news but even i couldn't avoid seeing the mcganns on TV (yet again). I don't see how circulating amongst our contacts an email on the subject (which was what the original post asked for) is going to help find this poor little girl ???
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I agree but surely it cant do any harm either so why not. Worth a go, if it were my child (regardless of negligence parents played) Id appreciate any help from any one no matter how small or seemingly pointless
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It was posted on an open forum, blatantly in the wrong section, and we are not allowed to discuss it? Anything else you would like to decree while you are at it?
Discuss all you want but start a new thread.
" I decree today that life is simply taking and not giving, England is mine and it owes me living".
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1.You help by doing what the original post asks.
And clog more people's email boxes up with the message? Why? I rarely watch the news but even i couldn't avoid seeing the mcganns on TV (yet again). I don't see how circulating amongst our contacts an email on the subject (which was what the original post asked for) is going to help find this poor little girl ???
it could help the right person could read it and find the little Madeleine, if this was your child would you send the email ?
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bit of topic but why are the page numbers on this thread going backwards ???
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1.You help by doing what the original post asks.
And clog more people's email boxes up with the message? Why? I rarely watch the news but even i couldn't avoid seeing the mcganns on TV (yet again). I don't see how circulating amongst our contacts an email on the subject (which was what the original post asked for) is going to help find this poor little girl ???
it could help the right person could read it and find the little Madeleine, if this was your child would you send the email ?
Can't answer that as i don't have kids. I don't like kids, have never wanted kids. Wouldn't see any harm to one, but i have other interests in life.
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you must have had an unhappy childhood or else you are just a miserable sod
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you must have had an unhappy childhood or else you are just a miserable sod
Neither, but probably more the latter :D I like old people. So many people support children and their charities, well thats good. I do my bit for our older generation.
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every one to there own i have 2 grand children aged 7 months and 3 years and they are brill,might get harder work as they get older ;D ;D
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There you go then stan.....look after your grandkids and i'll look after you ;D
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The One thing I do understand is the sadness that is going on in her family,Feb
this year I took my son for a normal blood test,just 25 mins later we were in a shopping like tesco,I was walking slighty ahead he was looking around,next thing I was at the check out thinking where is he,then to my shock some one said is that your son,he was faced down on the floor he passed out,hit his face nose collapsed out,long story short,the Ambulance came it was 30 mins before
we moved out of the carpark they were very concerned about time,I was watching him die,I could not belive my eyes,he spent the rest of that day eveing
in hospital,test after test they found nothing,they put it down to the blood test.he is just 17,what am I getting to, I dont know what I would have done if he went that day,now when he is with me I am looking round every all the time.
thank god he made a full recovery :) its the not knowing of where she has gone
as a parent of boy and a girl I cant even begin to think..... there is an old saying you will kill for your children, I know I would........
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Smokescreen smokscreen smokescreen
Choosing to go out and leave your children alone.... WRONG
Choosing to become international celebrities over your loss.... WRONG
Its not all about ''looking for their daughter" its about salving their guilt.... IMPOSSIBLY DIFFICULT
No i do not like them and yes i do think they are responsibile
Can I blame them ?????
There but for the grace of god.
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Smokescreen smokscreen smokescreen
Choosing to go out and leave your children alone.... WRONG
Choosing to become international celebrities over your loss.... WRONG
Its not all about ''looking for their daughter" its about salving their guilt.... IMPOSSIBLY DIFFICULT
No i do not like them and yes i do think they are responsibile
Can I blame them ?????
There but for the grace of god.
i think thats how most people feel but lots wont say.i mean an audiance with the pope what was that all about
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And clog more people's email boxes up with the message? Why? I rarely watch the news but even i couldn't avoid seeing the mcganns on TV (yet again). I don't see how circulating amongst our contacts an email on the subject (which was what the original post asked for) is going to help find this poor little girl
Hi all sorry for not joining in sooner but have been attanding courses,
the idea of this viral e-mail is that by sending it to all your contacts and in turn to all thier contacts and so on it circulats the globe very quickly, the video has been produced with the advice of head shrinks on the believe that some one close knows where she is, I think I heard on the news the next day that the vid was getting 15,000 hits an hour that can only meen the message is getting out there, I'm sorry if it has upset some by posting this here and I thank every one for letting it stay and for keeping it near the top.
This is one of the times the internet can be seen to be doing good and believe me there are a lot of dangers out there, as a child I was told never talk to starngers but with the internet our children can be inviting the very same strangers into thier bed room,
I recently attended a CEOP (child exploration on line) information training day and believe me when I say it gave me cause for thought (fact a paedofile will be grooming on average 100 children at any one time) so leaving a child on thier own is bad but children can be tempted to put them selves in danger, I could go on and on about this subject but if you have children and have niot done so visit this site it packed full of really good information and advice for all ages from 5 years upwards including parents/ carers
http://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/Default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
Again thanks for the attention
ps I clean windows
Alan