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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darren O on October 28, 2009, 11:01:27 am
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I sold my wonder wand about 2 weeks ago to a guy from Falkirk he paid me buy check got the check back today from the bank its bounced what do you think i should do next.Its my own fault the guy sent the check out registered letter and everything seemed fine got all his company details his own address but i let him have the wand before the check had cleared i phoned him this morning and he apoligised and said he would contact the bank this morning.Just got in he emailed me and said hes embarassed for whats happend and said his company hasnt been going long and hasnt much work and if i could wait 2 weeks he will pay me in cash there is no chance iam waiting 2 fecking weeks for the cash so not sure what to do next.cheers Darren.
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Also Falkirk is about 40 miles away so the last resort is driving there.
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Drive up there Darren and sort it out
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Do you think he will give you the wand back darren ???
Might be worth asking him.
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2 weeks? No way! Demand your money or collect your wand!
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As he has issued the cheque, in law he has admitted liability, keep a copy of all corrospondence between you, its your choice whether you give him time to pay, if it was me i would give him the time but not a day more and add that he should be responsible for getting payment in cash to you before the deadline and that you will add interest on the debt and seek recovery through the county court if he fails to pay on time, or he could return the item, dont accept another cheque though.
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I had a problem with a cheque a while ago and it was a small error on the clients side and was rectified.
Might be worth dropping roger (dr carpet) a line and ask for some advise on what to watch out for when the client makes a cheque out so you get paid.
I had a chat with roger and he went through some small tips and it helped me no end..
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Firstly keep the bounced cheque, it is proof that you have had dealings with this person and that they were happy with the item/service recieved.
Do you have the address of the customer, if so file county court N1 form, there will be a fee of £30 which you can claim back.
Mark
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How much did you sell it for?
Might be worth while getting an interim payment now, another in a weeks time and the balance when he says he can pay for it. obviously this course of action is tedious and would only really work if we are talking about a reasonably large amount.
Incidentally, what answer did the paying bank give for not paying it? Was is it simply "refer to drawer" or was there a different or longer-winded reason?
With postal problems which your buyer could probably manipulate to their advantage you may want to consider getting him to pay you electronically into your account. that way nobody can hide behind banks not making the payment or worse, the proverbial "cheque's in the post, mate".
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Sounds to me like he knew full well he didn't have the cash in the bank to honour the cheque when he wrote it.
If I were you and it is only 40 miles away I would go and get it back,and take a burly mate with you just in case.
If he decides he still wants it after that,tell him to come and collect it and payment will be in cash only and add on the cost of your fuel and lost income.
There a some right characters out there,don't leave it any longer or chances are he will sell the wand on anyway if he is short of cash.-John
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I totally agree with John he knew the cheque would bounce.
go get your wand tell him you have another buyer for it and you need the cash.
me personally would be rather nasty about it, but you might be a more mellow character ;)
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Go and fetch it , without doubt , plus 50 quid collection fee.
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The amount is for £240 there is a stamp on the cheque it says upaid returned when i first spoke to the guy it was 8.00am this morning the way the guy spoke on the phone i wanted to give him a slap there and then but i never said anything and the guy said he would contact his bank first thing it was later this morning i got the email asking for 2 weeks to pay.The thing that bothers me is he wont answer his landline or mobile and will only talk via email.I told the guy i think hes at it and if i didnt have the cheque by friday i would be passing on his details to debt collector wich my acountant uses" just made that bit up"he the emailed me back and said he was sorry i felt that way and he would just pay the debt collector when they contact him i sent him a further email saying i will be contacting him personally tomorow or friday to collect the cash in person he then sent another email saying he has a wife and young family and dosent want me coming to his door he then said he will have the full amount in 13 days and will arange to meet me and pay me in cash i said i will give him the time to pay but if he dosent pay i will be visiting him at his home so will have to wait and see the guy is a tosser i will get my money one way or another and i dont want the WW back worst thing ive ever bought.
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I'd go to his house asap mate!
And bring a mate! not saying to rough him up! but you dont know what this guy is like! you might need a witness.
Idealy you want to go unannounced, but this would be a pain if he's no in :(
just say, give me my Wand back Mister!! or give me £240 NOW!
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If i go to his house i will be bringing my mate that works with me thats the thing its a long way to go if i cant get hold of him.
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I wrote my first cheque in two years today and with out a guarantee card trusting twits but it will take 15days for delivery god help them if it’s 16.
Darren
I take it that he picked it up don’t know how big Falkirk is but did find someone in Welling Kent once took a few days before the birds got up.
Oh I will only advise the legal way believe Scottish law is different English ;)
Len
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Len i agreed the deal on the monday i recived the cheque recorded delivery on the tuesday with a letter with company details and business card all looked smart he then emailed me on friday to make sure everything was ok and he said he would contact me sometime next week after the cheque had cleared to arange pick up but me like a daffty said he could collect on sunday if he wanted i would be interested to no if there is anybody from the Falkirk area on here his business details are on yell.com.
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Darren
Falkirk, its worth the drive to get it back, before he sells it.
P.S. Name and shame the fooker.
Bob
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Bob still thinking about to busy tomorow window cleaning on friday but its forecast to rain so might take a drive out there then. Carboclean
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Here is the guys bebo site ;D
http://skin.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=9809612396
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Nice one Bob,hes telling the truth about having a young family then will give him the 2 weeks to get it sorted.
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all am going to say is, he's misses has a rite par of jugs on her, worth a trip just to see them darren ;D
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Just checked ebay the pr-ck is selling it with all his carpet cleaning gear gonna drive through and smack him.
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Hope this isnt your guy, he is from Falkirk and is selling some kit, including a wonderwand.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COMPLETE-CARPET-CLEANING-BUSINESS-VAN-WONDERWAND-LOTS_W0QQitemZ180425571546QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA?hash=item2a0233bcda
Andrew
ps apollogies to this guy if he is genuine.
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beat me too it as i was typing.
Andrew
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It will be dark in an hours time, they say a 4' length of 3" x 2" is had to see in the dark. ;)
Andrew
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Wonder if all else he is selling is paid for ::)
Thats another reason why i wont buy off e bay!!
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Just spoke the poopbag on the phone told him iam coming to his house tonight he then put his wife on told her iam coming through for the wand as i seen it on ebay she said it dosent matter what they do with it as they have a email from me saying i will meet on the 11th and she will pay me the £240 so they are within there rights to sell it she assured me that the full amount will be paid on the 11th also i havent to phone them again as i was very threatning she also said the wand isnt on at the house what do you think i should do now how do i stand legally if i drive through there tomorow what happens if they phone the police when i go to there door iam gonna end up smacking him.
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Hi Guys,
Not sure of the legal position but a call to the local police might help clarify and prevent you from doing something you afterwards regret.
Cheers
Doug
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Darren
Wouldnt do that mate as you will end up in trouble.
Sounds v frustraighting and seems to me is how can they do that..
There are ways to do the sorting out bit mind you if it does come to that ;)
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Darren,
I Agree with Doug, I'm sure your heart says go around and smack the b@stard but your head should say contact the Police (or trading standards/Citizens advice) for advice. U r on a sticky wicket if she has an e-mail from you agreeing to collect money on the 11th as technically you have 'sold' it to her although payment has not as yet been made.
No surprise tho judging by his ebay photos, only thing missing is the old banger up on bricks minus wheels!!!! Good luck with it.
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Tried phoning my local polce station no answer weres the pigs when you need them.
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Suggest to the Police that you consider him to be selling goods obtained by deception,and you require the item back.
Do it now,do not wait any longer.
Not sure but I believe any deal done by email is not legally binding as there is no signature,explain to the Police that you were pressured into agreeing the delay for payment and make it clear he is selling an item for which he has not paid and you consider this to be theft.
John
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My a*se! Go to the local police produce the bent cheque, a copy of the ebay listing printed. Ask them to accompany you to collect your property. Title of goods does not pass unless payment has be made in full. You are perfectly within your rights to recover it.I don't care what you put in an email he has no right to sell it.
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Just spoke to the police they said it isnt a crminal matter and should try a solicitor or small claims court.
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Don't care what anyone else says Darren, I would be straight round there - wand or cash NOW !
Steve
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I could go tomorow morning but i can see this happening they will see me at the front door and will refuse to open the door what do i do then.
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That machine has been on ebay before seen it advertised about 2 months ago makes you wonder.
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Carboclean is a limited company if he dosent pay and he is packing in carpet cleaning and i chase him through a small claims court will i be able to go after him personally.
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Simples ,,, set up an ebay account , buy it now , or win the bid , go round pick up wand , walk away.
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same as jason, only i'd ask if i could come round and have a look at the goods, then get a friend to go, have a look, pick the wand up and walk out to you waiting in the car.
derek
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Doing what Jason suggests would certainly mess him up - he thinks hes sold his gear but he aint, and you could be in possession of your wand.
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Is it still listed cant find it.
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sounds a right tosser, imagine how he has handled his customers
this guy gives c/cleaners a bad name and image
he is now black balled and cannot bid on my e-bay items
i advise everyone to do the same
good luck in what action you take
Steve
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Auction ended 16.01.31
He must be watching this forum I reckon.
I clicked on the link that Andrew posted earlier.
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You do need to get that wand back ASAP. He has Ltd his business as you say, obviously got in to financial trouble and is now asset stripping to pay back debt.
Limited means limited liability, his business has no connection to his home or personal assets.
In other words once he has sold all the gear and the business is suspended at company’s house, you have no way of getting back what is owed to you, it is limited to his business.
These type of crud only understand one thing, they don’t worry about court forms and the legal system.
Regrettably in this situation you need get hold of a couple of friends and go and request the wand or forcibly recover NON ESSENTIAL items from his home to cover the cost of your loss, TV, DVD, Cash, Jewellery etc. Leave food stuffs, beds, sofas etc.
Be bold, brave, persistent and demanding. Don’t be threatening or violent even if he chooses to retaliate in this way.
This is against the law but the only secure way of getting back what is owed to you.
Matt
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hahaha....you searched for him on tinternet...nice one...i recently bought an item that a custy wouldnt send. i paid thru paypal he said his dad had died, and he couldnt send item as he was consoling his mother..that was a month ago...i was very patient but explained i wanted my saw no later than a certain date...he didnt honour this date.i found him on facebook, i also found him on an owl watching site, and in an article on the bbc news web site and from all this obtained his address. went down at the weekend with a meathead who waited in the car.you shudda seen his face when i introduced myself..hed sold item for more money and kept my money...i got my money back, petrol paid and a lil extra for the inconvenience...incidentally, nobody had died...ecept he nearly did when fronted by my meathead enforcer! not my usal rote...but i had been more than patient..
i hear ye...and i feel your pain!
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the bloke is a scammer, if you go with heavys, he will have the cops there in 5 mins, claiming that you are threatning to kill him, then you are in the poop, u got two roads, legal throught the count courts, but if he goes bankrupt then then court orders mean nothing, or mess up his life and become the biggest pain ever, if there was no way of you getting your money back this is what i would do, never lay a finger on him or threaten him just park out side his house, not illegal, follow him not illegal slash his tryes, hard to prove it was you, the best report his car stolen, and when he gets pulled even if he has all the doc, they will still impound the car, and a min of 140 to get back, get a mate and block his vehicle in on his drive if he has one, as not illegal to block someone leaving a drive only illegal to block someone entering the drive, and 2 really good things i have used is xmas eve, turn his water off and put quick drying cement down there, soild by the time, they find out, and the other is to get a bird to knock on his door when hes not there pretending to be shagging him behind his wifes back, always goes down a treat, used this on a bloke who done a runner from a house he was renting off me, left it a few months and found out where he was living
(i use to be a plumber in liverpool and would always come across people trying to run scams)
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Made me angry reading this.
I am origonally from Falkirk but dont know this tosser.
I think i would have to make the trip through, not that far really.
Make sure he knows you are from Paisley and have something hiding under your jacket.
Too many scumbags out there
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I know what I would do in this situation ;D
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Ditto Ricky ;)
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Can you post his phone numbers , maybe we , as fellow carpet cleaners should back you up , and all apply some telephone pressure, at various times of the day and night ,, 2-300 people calling from different phones, would be an insurmountable amount of hassle for any agency to unwind.
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the bloke is a scammer, if you go with heavys, he will have the cops there in 5 mins, claiming that you are threatning to kill him, then you are in the poop, u got two roads, legal throught the count courts, but if he goes bankrupt then then court orders mean nothing, or mess up his life and become the biggest pain ever, if there was no way of you getting your money back this is what i would do, never lay a finger on him or threaten him just park out side his house, not illegal, follow him not illegal slash his tryes, hard to prove it was you, the best report his car stolen, and when he gets pulled even if he has all the doc, they will still impound the car, and a min of 140 to get back, get a mate and block his vehicle in on his drive if he has one, as not illegal to block someone leaving a drive only illegal to block someone entering the drive, and 2 really good things i have used is xmas eve, turn his water off and put quick drying cement down there, soild by the time, they find out, and the other is to get a bird to knock on his door when hes not there pretending to be shagging him behind his wifes back, always goes down a treat, used this on a bloke who done a runner from a house he was renting off me, left it a few months and found out where he was living
(i use to be a plumber in liverpool and would always come across people trying to run scams)
I Would rather have a kicking than all that at my door!
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I've just read the threads since i posted last night! I cant beleive he has the cheek to actaully sell something that doesn't belonfg to him!! i'm so angry!
You need to go there ASAP! bring friends with you. say that you want £350! or the wand back! and a blowy off the missus! What a cheeky bugger!
If you wait any longer he'll just think your a soft touch and has gotten away with it! you'll appear in 2 weeks time and he'll say "who are you??"
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Darren
What ever you do to get your goods back don't make it public,especially on this site, as Joe has already mentioned he could well be a member of this site. All the best, let us know when you get it back.
David
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it might sound a bit over the top, but only started being a pain after a couple of times getting ripped off, in liverpool getting a kicking is a good night out, so a lot of the time, it doesnt matter to them, but as soon as it affect there family life and they got to explain to there wife whats going on, there life usual end up worse of the misses,
had a mate who told his wife that the house he bought was full price when it was a repo, so he could keep 17 grand him self
the way i look at it is u do a job/service get paid, if they try and rip u off the they are taking food out of my kids mouths,
like the bloke said he will pay the debt collecters, they cant do any thing with out a court order, when they get this, this is when they start to earn there money
depending on how much you are owed you can get someone ccj, if they dont pay it with in the time allowed, u can file for bankrupts on them, thats when most people pay up, as they try and sod it off, till the last minute, until they speak to someone and they tell them to pay up,
i know about this as my aunty works for a transport company who owner owns a debt collection company in manchester, and this is what they usual do, so when i use to get problems, i would speak to her, and have had to go down this road 2 twice last year alone, to recover money i was owed
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Carboclean falkirk tel - 01324 410771.
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Well i was supposed to get my money yesterday but it never happened the tossers wife emailed me today saying her husband is working up in Aberdeen doing flood work and they hope to have some money a week on friday and are willing to pay me £60 per fortnight told her what i thought of her and her husband ended up with her saying shes reported me to the Police.The guy has also swapped the wand for another wand as he couldnt use it with his machine to be honest this has been the least of my worries after spending £1100 on a new clutch last friday yesterday the clutch went again costing me another days wages.Even if i drive through there these c-nts havent a pot to p in how do i go about taking him to a small claims court as i no if i drive through there i will be the only one that gets lifted.
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This forum that can be accessed by this guyso not very smart to suggest this illegal action when your suggestion could be presented as evidence in court, yes he is a scumbag there are may legal ways to make life difficult for him, he could be blacklisted so when he goes goes looking for credit even if its in a years time this will prevent it and he will have to pay interest too, he definately cannot sell something he does not own whatever you do if its dodgy dont tell anyone on here!
the bloke is a scammer, if you go with heavys, he will have the cops there in 5 mins, claiming that you are threatning to kill him, then you are in the poop, u got two roads, legal throught the count courts, but if he goes bankrupt then then court orders mean nothing, or mess up his life and become the biggest pain ever, if there was no way of you getting your money back this is what i would do, never lay a finger on him or threaten him just park out side his house, not illegal, follow him not illegal slash his tryes, hard to prove it was you, the best report his car stolen, and when he gets pulled even if he has all the doc, they will still impound the car, and a min of 140 to get back, get a mate and block his vehicle in on his drive if he has one, as not illegal to block someone leaving a drive only illegal to block someone entering the drive, and 2 really good things i have used is xmas eve, turn his water off and put quick drying cement down there, soild by the time, they find out, and the other is to get a bird to knock on his door when hes not there pretending to be shagging him behind his wifes back, always goes down a treat, used this on a bloke who done a runner from a house he was renting off me, left it a few months and found out where he was living
(i use to be a plumber in liverpool and would always come across people trying to run scams)
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I would do the same thing an if you are going to sort it dont say on here ;)
Being honest he is pretty low to do this sort of thing and maybe its not a one off.
Wonder how his wife could go along with it too so just shows some twats out there.
There again its easy here to say dont do anything as i prob would myself now rather than go through the courts ::)
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Darren
I dont know if this will help but you could speak with my brother Ian Walker (hes my stepbrother but dont say that to him)
Hes a certified baillif and believe me he knows how to make people pay debts he offers a no recovery no fee and the charges are payable by the debtor he may be able to help, or at the very least tell you how you stand, he may also tell you its too small an amount but its worth a try. he knows his stuff.
Ian Walker Account Collection 01702 431731
tell him "your brother Jim gave you his number"
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Good post jim :)
Darren i would take that offer up mate and it will get him and his mrs on there toes.
A good time to call is very early morning or late at night ;)
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just googled his tel number found an ad in the yell.com saying "due to low overheads i am able to pass savings to my customers" low overheads!!
im not surprised hes a crook who dont pay, this has really ped me off, dont forget
what goes around come around!
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Cheers James i think i will give him a phone anything is worth a try.
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ask admin for this full thread to be deleted as it is far too incriminating and supportive of or inciting aggressive acts
dont ever forget loose lips sink ships
then lower yourself to his standards and hit him fully in the pocket
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I dont know anyone concerned in this but have thought about it over the last hour and after seeing as many vans for sale full off carpet cleaning stuff and Mobile Valeting Business on ebay, it show things are tuff out there.
They guy is havingg trouble paying he should never had bought it in the first place, but he has a young family and MAybe hes trying to do best by them getting money in before XMAS.................Yes hes in the wrong am not saying he isnt ......
But I bet hes no the only carpet cleaner struggling rite now.........I for one have counted 5 vans for sale within a 50 m ile raduis of both guys concerned......On ebay......
People do stupid things when they are not thinking straight.... and worried about money.....I bet he never started out like that in CC...bad marketing and no enough clients to make a wage...seen it all before with CCers......
He should have Paid the money that was due no question.......So can we please stop putting his wife personal bebo on this site he has kids and your all talking about his wifes tits you make me sick......
This site us sunk to a new LOW
This guy might be going down the pan and all you lot say is do him in, look at his Mrs Id go just to see her!!!!
Shame on the lot of you.......
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Hi Guys,
I think we should leave this where it is as it may involve litigation and has gone as far as is likely at present.
Thanks
Doug