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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on October 24, 2009, 01:44:04 am
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im setting up a roof coating business with a friend we are planning on employing straight away and we have business premises what sort of paperwork and documents do i need to get in place
i.e
method statements,
risk assesement,
health and safety policies,
employment contracts,
public liability,
employers liability,
contracts for customers to sign
please add any that you think i may need
many thanks richy
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if the numptys were i live are anything to go on all you will need is a power washer and a paint brush >:( >:(
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Where did you get that idea from Richy ;D
Rob ;D
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coz aquasheild are clearing up round are way n charging a fortune ive got a few friends who canvass for them that pull in a lot of work that are going to come over and work for us they say the price aquasheild quote covers about 20staffs wages.weve recently been on a course up in the lake district and they say its the fastest growing home improvement service. plus i think it really improves the appearance of a property. i find the window cleaning a bit of a chore running round for small prices etcs id much prefer to run a business office based if u know what i mean n not actually do the labour
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Lazy git ;D - Nothing wrong with working smart!!!
I am also in the process of setting up a complete roof cleaning & restoration service, on top of everything else and will be ready to go for 2010. Only need to do the marketing and get the website up and running.
Got the web address
good luck - we will be able to compare how well we have done in 12 months time!!!
Rob ;D
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richy how much was the course?
can you email me some info? it would be much appreciated.
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im setting up a roof coating business with a friend we are planning on employing straight away and we have business premises what sort of paperwork and documents do i need to get in place
i.e
method statements,
risk assesement,
health and safety policies,
employment contracts,
public liability,
employers liability,
contracts for customers to sign
please add any that you think i may need
many thanks richy
All of the above and you will need to get PASMA certified to erect scaffold towers to access the roof.
Apart from that, I think you're set.
Good luck
Andy
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No No No you've forgot the silicon gun for sticking the broken slates back and the first aid kit for when you've fell off the roof
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we were hopefully thinkin of employing a scaffolder to go round erecting scaffold on the houses thru the week and maybe leasing a flat bed van for him as this would save on subbing the work out we were quoted 300 by a local company per house (based on 3 bed semi).so we shudnt be having any falls!!!!!!!!!
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Can we have some more information regarding roof cleaning course. Where is held, price, what do they teach you etc.
We do pressure cleaning and looking to add roof cleaning
Thanks
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Hi,
Rob give me a ring on monday, I may have a pressure washing job near you for 30,000m2 of block paving, I kid you not, and we've tried roof coating too.
Cheers,
Huw.
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Company near me called moss rid - they always seem busy and do other things as well as toshing roofs, worth a look at their web site
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I had a rep knocking on my door selling roof power washing and painting.
I said I would rather save my money and have a good holiday.
He said Cant blame you and off he went. ;D
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Why would you power wash the roof?
All sorts of pitfalls doing that.
One wrong move and it's going to cost a fortune if you compromise
the integrity of the roof.
Could be filling the loft with water and not know it.
John
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had a customer that said that he has been quoted £4900 for a 3 bed semi to cleaned and painted.some houses down the road of him had been done and said they didn't even had the gutters cleared&cleaned.he said he would rather pay me £70 every 6 months to clear & clean the gutters .he isin the late 40's and he doesn,t think that the roof will fall any time soon.
what about if anyone decides that want and extension to a house?
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Are you just undercutting aquashield on price? What range are you going to cover in miles?
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were just going to keep building and expanding hopefully and build outwards from our base in chester throughout the north west n take it from there, weve already got around 15 jobs to go and do just from basically going in at 50% of the aquasheild prices and theres still a good profit to be made. aslong as u spray down the roof you shouldnt really encounter any problems its fairly straightforward.
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why when someone has an idea, people come back with negatives?
Good on you for starting it, i thought about this earlier in the year and still am, can you let us know where the course was? ta
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Hi richy , I know personally the 2/3 main guys who own AS and used to be good mates with them , 1 used to be the head of marketing and the other a national sales trainer at the company I too was a national for.
that is in my past and I now love to see the smaller guy/companies coming through and making it but just be careful you can trust the staff your taking from there marketing teams ( done this myself lots of times , but had serious backing if you know what I mean ) .
they will take it as a personal attak and come gunning for you , poss/prob literally
these guys have BIG ££££££££ and muscle all over the UK and show no remorse at all what so ever .
seen this lots of times and its the norm and they are old school .
it might be wise to find urself 1 good knocker and build a team around him/her
if you can mould them, girls are better but probs will arise with mixed teams
all the best in your new venture
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cheers ricky thanks for that as i say im in no rush to start challenging aquashield i wouldnt like to even think off running a business that big im just sayin were goin to plod along n maybe expand to a few areas around the north west and just build steadily i see what aquashield do for the industry as a big help there making the product a lot more commercially known to the public and if we can build a business on the back of there success.i think its going to be the next sort of upvc fascia roofline business where everyone jumps on the band wagon driving the prices down but hopefully im gettin in early enough to make a nice lifestyle for myself.
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Richy , No challenge them but just be carefull if your going nick there staff
I most of miss read your 1st post and I thought you were staff hunting
just be care full with these boys
Best Ricky
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Hi richy, hope the info i sent you a while back came in handy. Good luck, and heed the advice of not taking their people, THEY WILL NOT BE HAPPY, to put it mildly.
Good quality leads are king, pay good money to the right people, nothing worse for a sales team than following up weak, unqualified leads. You will be much better off following up 5 good qualified leads than 30 wishy washy ones. Build in extra margins to reward a professional canvassing team.
Good luck.
Mark
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why when someone has an idea, people come back with negatives?
Good on you for starting it, i thought about this earlier in the year and still am, can you let us know where the course was? ta
Not negative just pointing out the pitfalls.
They did a bungalow up the road last week.
Then spent all day Saturday relaying most of the roof at the rear.
No scaffold up they were walking the roof.
That in itself can damage the roof.
You compromise one part of the roof and it's going to cost you dear.
Especially if it affects the house next door as well.
John
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I have cleaned several roofs that would make a large detached property look like inconsequential (no disrespect to large detached homes or their owners) 1/2 day jobs.
The roofs I clean are on live supermarkets and the consequences of getting it wrong on them will cost me all of my 10 million liability.
They are not complicatedand if checked properly before commencement of works, make sure there is a membrane underneath the roof tiles and don't walk on the tiles then there is no problems. There will always be the unexpected and this is the same in any form of cleaning.
It does make me laugh when people presume you don't know what you are talking about because they have seen a bunch of muppets in the same line of work.
If I see or hear of a bad carpet clean I don't automatically presume jands are morons. have you ever heard of a roof void being filled with water. Fetch me my goggles they may flood the whole country ;D
Judge Richy on the job he is setting out to do because he does sound like he has got the training and is going about it the right way.
Good luck Richy.
Rob ;D
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cheers rob
could do with meeting up again in near future rob im looking at rigging me 2nd van out properly for pressure washing and waterfed pole and seeing the professional way you have rigged your vans out i think ya advice would be appreciated as i want to start targettin larger commercial jobs for pressure washing and window cleaning.
me number is 07894821844
cheers richy
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i think some of the points jands made are fair points. I clean roofs but am very selective as to what i will clean, i spent 7 years as a roofer and can state for a fact that just because a roof looks sound, apperances are deceptive.
Slated roofs i would never touch as they are to weak, if broken an absoloute pain to remove the half of slate still attached to the roof batten.
Both clay and concrete i will clean but dependent on tile age bearing in mind a roof is usally only garuenteed for 25 years, you need to expect breakages and be careful of the ridgeline and verges for weak cement.
Also another area to be careful of is lead flashings around chimmneys etc as the tiles overlap the lead you can not see if the lead has splits in it under the tiles.
Rob certain tiles can be walked on like big concrete stonewolds if you know where abouts the batten is under the tile, and on a low picth is pretty safe as long as you use common sense.
i would imagine that the roofs on the supermarkets you clean are in fairly good nick in the first place compared to most domestics.
matt
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As standard policy, whether on a supermarket or residential dwelling I have found ways to clean any roof without clambering on it in any way!!! As stated not all companies operate the same way.
Again I would never knock anyone who wants to walk on a roof but I have enough experience to not need to clean them in that manner.
Rob ;D
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the guys who do my roof cleaning use a cherry picker .been up on a roof myself i feel safe.
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As standard policy, whether on a supermarket or residential dwelling I have found ways to clean any roof without clambering on it in any way!!! As stated not all companies operate the same way.
Again I would never knock anyone who wants to walk on a roof but I have enough experience to not need to clean them in that manner.
Rob ;D
your quite right there is no need need to walk on a roof, i was just stating it is possible on certain roofs to do so without causing damage, personally a scaffold or cherry picker are the only safe ways to go about any roof cleaning as minimising the risks of accidents come before any job.
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M - CLEAN UK
Once again wasn't doubting the man's work or set up.
Just the fact that he probably hasn't cleaned a roof before.
So thought I would point out some pitfalls to watch out
for.
I have a father and a brother who are both builders so
I have a little insight into what can go wrong, and if it
goes wrong and you damage the integrity of the roof
it will be costly.
John
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The firm I saw doing it round here were graystilemaster.
From their website they look a slick outfit but all 3 guys were walking the roof
with no roof ladders or harness.
In fairness it was a bungalow with a very shallow roof and it was a dry sunny
day.
John
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Richy,what if your asked to clean and coat a asbestos slate roof,may i ask how would you go about that............................................... from past exp i know what i would do :-X
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i wouldnt go near it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! iv done asbestos training in my last job as a upvc fascia fitter and that was one of the reasons i gave it up being a smoker and working with asbestos can increase your chances of dying 50% if i remember right, i wouldnt touch anyfin else unless it was clay or concrete. its on the back burner now anyway fell out with the lad i was starting it up with.
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Asbestos and the fumes in the van - DS will be ordering a coffin soon ! My grandad died of asbestos poisoning - it took a month to cremate him - sorry for those easily offended :P
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gis a light