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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bridger windows on October 22, 2009, 05:57:44 pm

Title: amount of water used
Post by: bridger windows on October 22, 2009, 05:57:44 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: elite mike on October 22, 2009, 06:00:43 pm
tell them you use a rainwater harvesting system
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: bridger windows on October 22, 2009, 06:02:09 pm
Sounds good to me! Cheers
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Alistair@AWC on October 22, 2009, 06:16:55 pm
You could also tell them that you use the same amount of water on the average house as 1 flush of the toilet
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: bridger windows on October 22, 2009, 06:20:09 pm
is that all it is!!? How many houses to a bath full do you think?
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 22, 2009, 06:20:19 pm
You could also tell them that you use the same amount of water on the average house as 1 flush of the toilet

Works better and you do not have to lie! Seriously though, you will probably use about 20l a house, and your toilet has to be pretty antique to use 20l. Most modern toilets use a lot less.

is that all it is!!? How many houses to a bath full do you think?

Think it's about 80-100l.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Alistair@AWC on October 22, 2009, 06:26:40 pm
For the average 3 bed semi you will use around 10-15 litres on a maintenance clean, modern toilets use 8-13 litres per flush.


Tim,

Not lying just stretching the truth  ;D
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: A & J Owen Window Cleaning on October 23, 2009, 04:02:59 pm
just say its only collected rain water used so i think thats recycling
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: JRDEasiReach on October 23, 2009, 04:34:31 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Andy Foster on October 23, 2009, 04:43:43 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)

I don't think they are referring to the 'after' environmental impact but the impact it has already had to get to the end of your tap.  If you CAN use rainwater then that would definitely be the best idea.

Has anyone any tips on this please?
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: EZclean on October 23, 2009, 07:28:32 pm
me: "it'll make its way back to the tap one day"

customers: ah! course
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: AuRavelling79 on October 23, 2009, 07:52:30 pm
Also no detergents used and no scrims cloths using litres of water in the washing machine.

As mentioned above "I get a lot of my water from my roof" works well.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: chris@c.m.s on October 23, 2009, 08:26:11 pm
me: "it'll make its way back to the tap one day"

customers: ah! course
Best answer in my opinion, water evaporates/soaks into the ground, treated effluent/waste  returned to the sea, in short cleaning with pure water has as much impact to the environment as rain does. you cant waste water its either in the sea, in the earth or in the sky falling on us.        
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 23, 2009, 10:16:09 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)

I beg to differ!  :D

What about the litres upon litres of waste water that we use to produce pure water? All down the drain, straight to the wastewater treatment plant!! Not very environmentally friendly I say.

Customers would have a heartattack if we would say that for every 1000 litres used one thousand litres goes down the drain!
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: chris@c.m.s on October 23, 2009, 11:14:11 pm
Quite simply in reply to that ask if there is more or less water on the planet than pre WFP.??? There is no such thing as waste water the earth naturally recycles it, It does however sometimes replenish the wrong areas  ;) 
 
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: EZclean on October 24, 2009, 01:25:03 pm
when i was at school they took us to the waste water/ sewarage works, the end result was a glass of water for us to drink. no one wanted to taste it...
the guy downed the lot  ;D
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 24, 2009, 05:38:25 pm
Quite simply in reply to that ask if there is more or less water on the planet than pre WFP.??? There is no such thing as waste water the earth naturally recycles it, It does however sometimes replenish the wrong areas  ;) 
 

No waste water? So if you drain your bath with all the detergent and muck in it, it doesn't need to be cleaned? It comes clean out of the tap? Wow.  ;D
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: chris@c.m.s on October 25, 2009, 12:15:59 am
Yes it does need to be filtered through natural or artificial means ie treatment plant  but it will always be there in some form or in transition.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: pingu on October 25, 2009, 07:20:25 am
What about all the perfectly good water that I supply the water company from my roof every time it rains...I mean I'm not allowed to charge them for that.

Yet every house does the same but the water companies have no intention of treating it seperatly but it all goes into the same 'pool' for treating.

Cheers
Dave.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Window Washers on October 25, 2009, 10:12:42 am
For the average 3 bed semi you will use around 10-15 litres on a maintenance clean, modern toilets use 8-13 litres per flush.


Tim,

Not lying just stretching the truth  ;D  
thats just made my day  ;D ;D
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Mike #1 on October 25, 2009, 11:35:22 am
for the waste water i have a bleeder irrigation hose running thourgh the raised bed in garden from b &q a fiver no more water from tap so i think i can be let off a bit
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: bridger windows on October 25, 2009, 01:54:12 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)

I beg to differ!  :D

What about the litres upon litres of waste water that we use to produce pure water? All down the drain, straight to the wastewater treatment plant!! Not very environmentally friendly I say.

Customers would have a heartattack if we would say that for every 1000 litres used one thousand litres goes down the drain!

The pro 6 im buying only rejects 20 % so 200l per 1000l thats another reason im buying this one. All good answers though!
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 25, 2009, 04:22:56 pm
Isn't the pro 6 equipped with an extra DI for the waste, filtering some of the waste back into the inlet or tank?

If so, imagine all the DI resin that gets landfilled!

(just kidding just kidding, you can go on forever like that)
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: ccmids on October 25, 2009, 05:29:17 pm
tell her its your recycled bath water ;D
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: dd on October 25, 2009, 07:45:37 pm
What about all the perfectly good water that I supply the water company from my roof every time it rains...I mean I'm not allowed to charge them for that.

Yet every house does the same but the water companies have no intention of treating it seperatly but it all goes into the same 'pool' for treating.

Cheers
Dave.

Normally there is a foul water drain (bath, toilet water etc) and a surface water drain (rainwater).
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: rich fraser on October 25, 2009, 08:51:17 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)

I beg to differ!  :D

What about the litres upon litres of waste water that we use to produce pure water? All down the drain, straight to the wastewater treatment plant!! Not very environmentally friendly I say.

Customers would have a heartattack if we would say that for every 1000 litres used one thousand litres goes down the drain!

Your using the wrong filters then. My 4040 produces about 10/15% waste and thats with a input tds level of 280, and its over a year old.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 25, 2009, 10:55:11 pm
What do you lot say to customers when they complain/ask about the amount of water used and the environmental effect etc... I need a good answer to give them as I think this would put me on my back foot :-X

Theres no environmental effect using pure water, it is after all water and it will dry up :)

I beg to differ!  :D

What about the litres upon litres of waste water that we use to produce pure water? All down the drain, straight to the wastewater treatment plant!! Not very environmentally friendly I say.

Customers would have a heartattack if we would say that for every 1000 litres used one thousand litres goes down the drain!

Your using the wrong filters then. My 4040 produces about 10/15% waste and thats with a input tds level of 280, and its over a year old.

Please, don't give people any wrong ideas about 4040's, the recommended waste level ratio is between 60/40 to 70/30 waste to pure. Anything lower then that and you run a very high risk of ruining your membrane. Talk to any supplier in the business and they will tell you exactly the same. Running it at that waste level means it's on the way out soon. I believe RO mans 4040's top the chart in waste, they recommend to run it at a 4 to 1 ratio.
Title: Re: amount of water used
Post by: Spruce on October 26, 2009, 10:11:58 am
tell them you use a rainwater harvesting system

We all get our water through a rainwater harvesting system. The intervention of the water board, dams, water purification plants, distribution networks etc is just superfluous information and may be left out.  ;D ;D ;D