Clean It Up
Market Place => Cleaning Contracts and Business Leads => Topic started by: madlaine1981 on October 17, 2009, 12:40:12 pm
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Hi
do you have a lot of coustomers from the internet directly from your web page?
How is it working for you?Do you know on what depends that you are marked on google maps?What doo you think about internet marketing?
http://www.mandccleaning.co.uk
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We get loads of hits to our home page, 9-22 hits per day we are on Google maps and top of Google page, most people are turning to online so a place on 1st page is a must.
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Thanks a lot.
As we already have our webpage since three months and I am wondering if use the internet to get new customers or if only to be visible to customers who already knew us.
Can you also give me any feedback regarding my web page, would would you change on it what is good?
http://www.mandccleaning.co.uk
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Hi,
How do you find out how many hits your site is getting???
Cheers
Lance
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Lance when you have a web site you get packages of different tools to analyze your site, so you can see how many hits and also where they found your site etc
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Hi,
How do you find out how many hits your site is getting???
Cheers
Lance
Use google webmaster tools and google analytics :) its easy to register and monitor your progress.
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thanks
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thanks
Ur welcome, will take a while for it to load up proprly but onc its up and running you will get more accurate results.
Dash t
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Hi Madlaine, I'm a cleaner not a techie but I have learned a lot from www.edrivis.com and www.perrymarshall.com
What I would do is just register for their freebie newsletters and stuff and just read for a while till you start to understand it all a bit more.
The Ed Rivis guy is a Yorkshireman and is solid.
NB Follow the earlier advice about Google Analytics first otherwise you are flying blind if you start doing AdWords etc
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Does any one get work and therefor profit from websites. I resently had a telesales call about setting up & hosting a website. The chap directed me to a very good site he had made that was super. So I phoned the company they were on the first page (with the right search) and they had lots of hits but no work and hence no money.
Regards Mal
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92% of our customers are from webpage, 25 - 30 hits a day.
Thanks
Sergio
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Hits are one thing but getting business (actual customers) is another.
My son is a web designer and search engine optimization specialist. He has worked on websites since the internet began back in 1996.
He created my cleaning website for me which ranks very very well with all the major search engines like Google, Yahoo and Bing (formerly MSN). My site even ranks No1 on page 1 of Google for certain keyword searches like: 'Cleaners in (our town)' or '(our town) Cleaners' which is basically what you want.
As for hits to the website this means nothing! I see people mentioning here they are getting between 20 and 40 hits per day...
Without trying to sound big headed I often get over 150 unique hits to my website a day sometimes over 200 but none of these convert to getting extra business (well 1 has!) 0.5% of hits.
Hits can mean anything such as the spiders/crawlers which are sent from the search engines like Google and Yahoo to crawl your websites content so they can index it.
They can send these out several times a day to your website to collect the information on it (that's several hits a day). The more you update your website content the more times these spiders/crawlers will come to your site to keep the internet updated.
So those who are receiving 20 to 40 hits per day may actually be receiving less than they think - people wise! Hits do not equate to actual people looking at you site on the internet - and there arn't just crawlers from Google and Yahoo there are hundreds of different search engines, directories etc.
THINK BEFORE YOU WASTE YOUR MONEY!
Let me tell you now before you all go wasting your money on a web design company that will promise you the earth... Don't bother with them!
What they will do is promise to get you on page 1 of Google (and lets face it if your not on Google there is no point having a website as 90% of all searches are done on it). Yes most companies promise to get you onto page 1 of Google but 99 times out of a hundred this will be for your company name for example 'Joe Bloggs Cleaners'.
When they have finished designing your website and have published it to the internet and Google have indexed it for you so it shows up in searches, they will tell you to type 'Joe Bloggs Cleaners' into Google and Hey Presto! There is your lovely new website (Joe Bloggs Cleaners) at the top of page 1 on the worlds most popular search engine.
Don't let them insult your intelligence - of course 'Joe Bloggs Cleaners' is going to rank very well on the first page because the name of your company is probably unique.
Lets say your business was called: 'Mandy and Pauls Cleaning services' - What's the chances of someone else having the same business name? So obviously your website called www,mandyandpaulscleaningservices,co,uk is going to rank top when some types into Google 'Mandy and Pauls cleaning services'.
THIS IS WHERE THEY CON YOU!!!
They say they will get you on page 1 of Google and they have, so you have no grounds for complaint.
You need to be on page 1 of Google when someone is looking for cleaners in your area NOT SEARCHING FOR YOUR BUSINESS NAME you will probably come top for your business name anyway!
Either set up a free one yourself or get a friend who is a bit more tech savvy to do one for you and save the hundreds of pounds some of these companies charge you.
If you are going to use a web design company ask them if they can promise to get you to the top of google for better keywords like... '(Your town name) cleaners' and wait for the hmmms and argghhs or the other bulls*** that will spew out of their mouths.
Lets face it, only people who already know your business exists are going to type into a search engine 'Mandy and Pauls Cleaning Services' or whatever your business name is. And having a website is not about attracting people who already know you, it is about attracting people who don't know you exist (NEW CUSTOMERS).
Basically you do need a website these days just as much as you do need business cards and letterheaded paper for invoices etc.
It's also good to have a presence on the web in case someone wishes to look at your business and see your porfolio of work or what you offer - rather than trying to explain everything you do to someone you can just say to them... "Check out our website for further details" include on business cards, letterheads and submit your website address to business directories (use caution with directories asking for money to list your business website).
Then there's networking! Network with other cleaning businesses who are not in direct competition with you say in your area.
You could put a link on your cleaning website business based in Sheffield to another cleaning website business located in London or Glasgow and vise-versa.
The more links you have coming into your website the better rank it will achieve with the search engines.
Personally speaking I have tried ads in the Yellow Pages - very expensive with little return.
A website - cost me nothing because my son did it but doesn't generate much new custom.
Local free paper - quite good at times.
Word of mouth - the absolute best!
In summary, Yes - get a website but don't spend a fortune on it and make sure it is geared toward your specific cleaning subject e.g carpet or contract and also your specific area.
So, for example a carpet cleaning business in sheffield would be geared towards these 2 keywords:
'Carpet Cleaning' and 'Sheffield' nothing else.
If anyone is interested in a website doing I can always ask my son. I'm sure he will do you one in his spare time for a few quid and it will rank much better than those offered by these conning companies and he will submit it to all the free business directories for you... Without sounding biased he's a genious when it comes to stuff like this.
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Great post Madge, I would be interested in having a website built by your son, can you give me a rough idea as to what he will charge, it's just that times are a bit tough up here ATM.
Kindest regards, and thanks in anticipation, Simon. :)
BTW, if you would prefer to ring it's 07891 236 167
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dont seem to get windowcleaning enquiries from my site but we get a lot from the gardening section though
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I don't quite agree with everything you've said Madge but what a heck of a good post. You have given a lot of people good solid advice there which will save a lot of them both time and money. Well done you :-)
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Hi all thank you for your comments glad you liked the post and glad I wrote it!
I just hate seeing people get ripped off and didn't realise how much some of these web design companies charged until a few months ago.
My friends husband started his own electrical contractors business last year, he didn't know much about web design or websites for that matter and several companies rang him asking if he wanted a website for his new business.
Obviously they convinced him it was a good idea so he went ahead with it.
He paid £400 for a single page website which basically said:
Company name and address
What type of electrical work they did
Telephone number
and a picture of some electrical testing device at the top.
Not only did they charge him £400 for something that could have been knocked up by a 10 year old in half an hour. He then had to pay £25 a month to host the site on their server and they charged him another £20 for the website name (sorry domain name) which was renewable each year.
Now according to my son usually paying for you own hosting (the place where the actual website sits) is much better than free hosting as these free hosting sites can often be down (your site not showing) or it takes ages to open the page as they are very busy but he told me you can get very good paid hosting for £3 a month. NOT £25 like these thiefs.
"Look at me I even sound like I know what I am on about, believe me I am copying all this from a text message from my son".
MESSAGE TO S.WALKER
I had a word with my son who said he would be more than happy to discuss thing with you. He said he will give you a ring through the week if this is ok? He's away with his wife at the mo.
He told me to tell you what the possible costs may be:
He has his own server that you could host your website on for £20 a year (not £25 a month).
He said you will need to buy your own .co.uk website (domain) name which can be picked up for a few pounds (roughly £3) these have to be renewed yearly or 2 yearly but what's £3 a year? (BUT DON'T BUY A DOMAIN NAME YET TILL HE HAS SPOKE TO YOU).
As for the design of the site he said the more information, details, pictures, images etc you can provide about your business the easier it will be for him to create a good site for you. He said you would be looking at a one off fee of around £75 which you don't have to pay until your totally happy.
I'm sure he can tell you more about it when he rings you and he has lots of examples of what he has done for other people.
In summary:
One off fee £75
Annual fee of £23
Thanks again for everyones nice comments, i'll try and think of some more money saving tips and advice on plugging your business.
Take care everyone
Madge
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madge,
there are few things i agree with in your post and few i dont, but over all i would say you are right in what you say. When people pay alot of money for a website they expect to get loads of work, but it doesnt work this way. We have a website which i have done my self and just updated as we speak, and we get 70% of business of that and our hits are not very high but almost one in 5 hits is an enquiry. This is because we didnt bother with SEO such as cleaners (town name) as competition is very high etc. We chosen to target more specific key words so when people do search for them, they know exactly what they want and we are there to offer our service. This helps alot as i have tried both techniques and last one certanly works best.
As regards to webdesign is very good that your soon can offer people a good site and not rip people off. I went on a training course from business link other day and our lecturer was a guy who runs a web design company and all lesson he kept on saying you can never have a good site if you only paid 500 pounds for it. Bank for a 1000 and you are guaranteed alot of customers.
So very well written post. well done, and i'm sure plenty of people will find it useful.
dash t
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Can't possibly see how your web designer / lecturer guy can guarantee more customers if you pay £1000 for your website rather than £500... That's nonsense!
He sounds like the typical web designer thief I was on about!
It's like anything I suppose, you have to shop around and don't accept the first offer that comes along. Do research, ask family and friends and come onto great forums like this for some unbiased adviced.
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Thanks for the reply Madge, everything sounds fine there. Tell your son I'm looking foreward to speaking to him.
Simon. :)
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what i don't understand is if madges son has been working on websites since the internet began why is he still charging £75 for a website? that's rediculously low for someone who has been doing this for over 10 years! he's either crap, offering very little (possibly a quick template with business name, what they do, and contact details), or feels some reason really generous to a random stranger he's never met (which is what all these bull**** sales people pretend to do but are really screwing me over)
Can't possibly see how your web designer / lecturer guy can guarantee more customers if you pay £1000 for your website rather than £500... That's nonsense!
how come? if i pay google £500 i'll get less visitors then if i pay £1000, if i pay an seo professional i'll get more visitors the more i pay as they'll be doing more work
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There's always one isn't there!
One that just can't understand or accept that there are still some good genuine honest people in the world that are willing to do others (yes even someone they have never met before) a favour without ripping them off.
Is it because they have no friends or relatives who would do the same for them?
Is it because they are just grumpy?
Is it because they actually believe that the more you pay the better it will be?
Or is it because they are jealous because they paid a fortune for their own website?
Your immature reaction really shows here greencleansolution!
If you read through the post properly you'll notice I said my son will do it in his 'spare time'.
Yes he has been involved with the internet since it began, but how can you to say "he is still charging £75", what do you mean by "STILL"? You don't know what he charged last week or even last year!
Is it rediculously low?
This is only your opinion - the opinion of someone who may have paid more for their website and can not comprehend someone else getting the same, something similar or something they require for their needs for a lot less.
As for being crap or offering very little we'll let Mr Walker be the judge of that! As he doesn't have to pay anything until he his satisfied - then he really doesn't have anything to lose does he?
Also to note: paying Google £500/£1000 and paying a web designer £500/£1000 are two completely different things!
Just to clarify I said "it was nonsense and couldn't possibly see how a £500 website could guarantee more customers than a £1000 website"...
The design of a website has nothing to do with paying Google!
It's obvious if you pay Google £1000 - assuming you are talking about Google's Adwords program (where a website owner pays for advertising) you are going to benefit more than paying £500. I just don't see where this comes into it as it was never mentioned in any previous posts.
On another note:
Why do people buy expensive designer clothing made from fabric so poor it has to be dry-cleaned only?
Why do people give to charities?
Why do people do volunteer work?
Why do we help the old lady down the street who is too frail to get out to the shops?
In fact why do we do anything without charging a fortune for it - are we all mad?
The fact is greencleansolution, there are people out there that do such things, whether it be for free or very little. Should you ever venture up north you'll find an abundance of them!
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There's always one isn't there!
One that just can't understand or accept that there are still some good genuine honest people in the world that are willing to do others (yes even someone they have never met before) a favour without ripping them off.
Is it because they have no friends or relatives who would do the same for them?
Is it because they are just grumpy?
Is it because they actually believe that the more you pay the better it will be?
Or is it because they are jealous because they paid a fortune for their own website?
Your immature reaction really shows here greencleansolution!
If you read through the post properly you'll notice I said my son will do it in his 'spare time'.
Yes he has been involved with the internet since it began, but how can you to say "he is still charging £75", what do you mean by "STILL"? You don't know what he charged last week or even last year!
Is it rediculously low?
This is only your opinion - the opinion of someone who has obviously paid more for their website and can not comprehend someone else getting the same, something similar or something they require for their needs for a lot less.
As for being crap or offering very little we'll let Mr Walker be the judge of that! As he doesn't have to pay anything until he his satisfied - then he really doesn't have anything to lose does he?
Also to note: paying Google £500/£1000 and paying a web designer £500/£1000 are two completely different things!
Just to clarify I said "it was nonsense and couldn't possibly see how a £500 website could guarantee more customers than a £1000 website"...
The design of a website has nothing to do with paying Google!
It's obvious if you pay Google £1000 - assuming you are talking about Google's Adwords program (where a website owner pays for advertising) you are going to benefit more than paying £500. I just don't see where this comes into it as it was never mentioned in any previous posts.
On another note:
Why do people buy expensive designer clothing made from fabric so poor it has to be dry-cleaned only?
Why do people give to charities?
Why do people do volunteer work?
Why do we help the old lady down the street who is too frail to get out to the shops?
In fact why do we do anything without charging a fortune for it - are we all mad?
The fact is greencleansolution, there are people out there that do such things, whether it be for free or very little. Should you ever venture up north you'll find an abundance of them!
lol you say i am acting immature and you respond like that? tbh my points are entirely valid and most definitely need to be bought up as like i mentioned, what he is offering sounds identical (and i mean identical) to what scammers say, literlly word for word, "oh i'll do YOU the favour, you chosing me is doing you a favour" etc etc. it's true that offering a website that he could pay >£500 for, but instead pays just £75 thats too good to be true so how can you not expect people to be skeptical? seriously how can you not expect there to be someone saying "hold on a second, this sounds fishy"?
now showing your age, you have massively jumped to an assumption that i paid for my website so can't comprehend your non sense blah blah blah. well i paid £0 for the website, and just £16 for one years hosting, and another £16 for 4 domain names, .org, .net, .co.uk, .com. so guess i am in a postition then to judge what has been said ;D
the only thing i guess i miss understood was when you mentioned paying £500/£1000 wouldn't get any more customers as i assumed you meant paying an seo £500/£1000, not the website designer/developer.
yes saying it's rediculously low is my opinion and it's the opinion of someone who makes websites, not for a living but as a hobby and £75 is very low, for £75 you could get what at most 3 hours of some ones time and thats paying an extremely low rate of just £25, web developers can be on hundreds and are, as i know a heck of a lot of them. of course my opinion to say it but again what is being offered sounds far too good to be true, as what it sounds is as though you're suggesting your son will spend a lot of time on someones website, for just £75! ???
do them a favour without ripining them off? so paying a professional web designer/developer who has been in the industry since it first started just £75 isn't ripping them (your son) off? and the other way around, charging someone £2000 is riping them off? i'd gladly pay someone £2000 to bring me in £100,000 work. who's getting ripped off again? are you suggesting that the work of say anytihng less then £500 wont bring in any work so has no value, hence the website creator ripped them off?
this thread is extremely funny as you have immediately gone very very very defensive, when what i said is very fair and needs to be said.
hey everyone, here is my opinion just in case it's missed, and i'm saying it not to harm your business, but simply to help you make up an informed decision. i think marge has gone very defensive because he knows what he is saying is too good to be true, and he (his son) is offering someone a website for £75 and all you'll get just £75 work or even less, a quick template, your text, and thats it. not a bespoke design that fits with your business. he doesn't want anyone going against what he (his son) is offering as they'll easily point out some very concerning points. could be wrong but thats my opinion based solely on how marge has reacted and what he has said.
after 15 years £75 wouldn't even be half hours work of a good professional web designer, and if your son is offering the website for £75 he may as well offer it for free. it's like right now me asking for £5 just 3 days cleaning work, i wouldn't bother with asking for the money and then i'd do them a real favour, as compared to what i earn, £5 is absolutely nothing for what i put in.
marge: any chance we can see your son's website? his previous work etc. would help people see his level of work and sell his service on this forum, which gets a good amount of requests for websites. might be good for him :)
hope this post is not misunderstood, i post only to help others from being scammed, not to say they will with marge's son, but it's to help prevent it just in case. imo though you will be scammed if paying just £75 for a professionals work of 15 or so years :( if it was £75 for someone who just graduated then it makes sense, they both get something out of it.
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Look greencleansolution I'm not wanting to get into a slanging match with you I'm old enough to be your mother (Yes Madge is a woman's name) but as for being defensive, what do you expect when you have a pop at my son without even knowing him.
As for what scammers say I wouldn't really know and I fail to see where and at what point during the website building process (if my son were a scammer) he could possibly scam someone if the person doesn't pay a penny until they are completely satisfied and are happy with and the website up and running?
I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE SCAM COMES IN !!! (by all means please enlighten me).
I came onto this post offering advice about my knowledge and experience of websites and other business friends website experiences to the original poster and merely added to the bottom of my original post that I would ask my son about doing websites for other people on this forum, like yourself he loves doing them for other people and friends and would have his face stuck into the computer regardless of getting paid for it or not.
Yes I also understand why people would be sceptical about such a thing but such scepticism is clearly dismissed if they are not parting with any money until the project is finished and they are happy with it. If anything he could spend hours building a site then someone turn around and say they don't want it anymore! I don't see where the 'fishyness' as you put it, comes into it.
If you read my original post you will see it is not a tout for business for my son. He already has a well paid job and like I mentioned before would have his head stuck into the computer regardless. I merely thought that he may as well earn a few pounds doing something he would be doing anyway and I thought I was doing him a favour.
I never, at any point in my previous post, jumped to a "massive assumption" that you paid for your website I simply posed 4 possible questions as to why someone could be so negative about receiving such a service from a genuine person. This is why you came across as being immature!
I see from your forum name you are 21 years old and it honestly shows, my son is nearly twice your age and myself nearly 3 times (well 2.5 to be precise) my son as been involved with the internet, websites, architecture, graphic design and all the rest of it since you were 7 years old he also has a BA (Hons) degree in Architecture, City and Guilds in AutoCad to name but a few... Of course I'm going to get defensive about him - wouldn't your parents?
Of course you are entitled to your opinions - its a free country! But posting negative things about people you don't really know isn't fare!
As for proof of what he has done already well that is between him and anyone he his dealing with and I am sure that once he has finished Mr Walkers website, Mr Walker will be only too happy to post a link in this forum to it!
On another note it is very easy to misunderstand forum messages if you do not read them thoroughly and have an objective not subjective view of what people are actually saying.
It is so easy to misconstrue information as I found when taking a peek at your own website...
Some people could easily see you as a scammer as you operate 3 businesses from the same residential address in Guildford. Of course there's nothing to say that one business isn't run by you, another by your father and another by your mother but as you put it, "it looks a bit fishy!" Three businesses - same house!! Especially when one of them is a web design business!!!
Still I hope this clears up a few things for anyone reading this debacle!
And please... if anyone wants a website designing don't come to me, please see greencleansolutions above he does it for a hobby (misconstrued as free) and looking at their many post on this forum has plenty of time on their hands - Just make sure they use the spell check first!
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Hi Madge, just to let you know I had a very constructive 20min conversation with your Terry on friday. He comes across as a genuine and very helpfull guy.
I will be having a site or 2 built by him, just having to get images and content to him.
Thanks very much for giving him my number Madge. :)
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what i don't understand is if madges son has been working on websites since the internet began why is he still charging £75 for a website? that's rediculously low for someone who has been doing this for over 10 years! he's either crap, offering very little (possibly a quick template with business name, what they do, and contact details), or feels some reason really generous to a random stranger he's never met (which is what all these bull**** sales people pretend to do but are really screwing me over)
Can't possibly see how your web designer / lecturer guy can guarantee more customers if you pay £1000 for your website rather than £500... That's nonsense!
how come? if i pay google £500 i'll get less visitors then if i pay £1000, if i pay an seo professional i'll get more visitors the more i pay as they'll be doing more work
Look greencleansolution I'm not wanting to get into a slanging match with you (thank god at least that'll mean there wont be another huge long post below about you getting really defensive and start attacking me when it's not needed :) ) I'm old enough to be your mother (Yes Madge is a woman's name) but as for being defensive, what do you expect when you have a pop at my son without even knowing him.
a pop at your son? when did i do that in my original post? when i said the following?
he's either crap, offering very little (possibly a quick template with business name, what they do, and contact details), or feels some reason really generous to a random stranger he's never met (which is what all these bull**** sales people pretend to do but are really screwing me over)
if so well i'm just listing what i think is being offered, one of which sounds like it's what is being offered, nothing was a "pop" at your son. if isaid i'll do a full house clean of 10 bedrooms, 15 bathrooms, 20 kitchens, all for £75, people on here would immediately think i'm either going to do a bad job, or there is a chance i'm going to randomly be really generous and do a job that i should be charging thousands for, for very little because i "like" cleaning.
As for what scammers say I wouldn't really know and I fail to see where and at what point during the website building process (if my son were a scammer) he could possibly scam someone if the person doesn't pay a penny until they are completely satisfied and are happy with and the website up and running?
I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE SCAM COMES IN !!! (by all means please enlighten me).
see again you get extremely defensive which only makes people beleive more that something is wrong. you're extremely condescending as well and have been throughout all your posts towards me, when i asked a simple question. this is what is immature for someone who is 2.5 times my age. I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE ME BEING IMMATURE COMES IN !!! (by all means please enlighten me).
^^ see now that is immature and condescending. perhaps you're getting confused with the word niave maybe? or another one. not immature surely, i haven't started shouting around, attacking someone else when it adds nothing to the conversation. why are you attacking me by the way? if the subject was about a service i was offering someone on here, by all means go against me and help the user make an informed decision, but it isn't. you've decided to go digging as well to attack me, not just quick look at my website, but a real thorough one, looking for me address, looking at other businesses. hmmm thanks madge (a girl as you condescendingly pointed out)
Yes I also understand why people would be sceptical about such a thing but such scepticism is clearly dismissed if they are not parting with any money until the project is finished and they are happy with it. If anything he could spend hours building a site then someone turn around and say they don't want it anymore! I don't see where the 'fishyness' as you put it, comes into it.
just because no money is given away until the website is compelte doesn't mean the person paying isn't being scammed. £75 could very likely get just "Company name and address
What type of electrical work they did, Telephone number, and a picture of some electrical testing device at the top." on a free template and has very little if any seo. if this is the case (as i can't imagine your son would create a bespoke design) then the person would be paying £75 for something they could do themself, ask a lot of people on this forum and they'll say don't pay for it, it's a waste of your money, whats' the point when you can do it for free etc.
I never, at any point in my previous post, jumped to a "massive assumption" that you paid for your website I simply posed 4 possible questions as to why someone could be so negative about receiving such a service from a genuine person. This is why you came across as being immature!
this is what you said...
the opinion of someone who may have paid more for their website and can not comprehend someone else getting the same, something similar or something they require for their needs for a lot less.
Of course you are entitled to your opinions - its a free country! But posting negative things about people you don't really know isn't fare!
i know, yet you are going searching for some to post about me. can i see the negative thing i posted about your son in my original post? i said a list of 3 things, on of which is very nice, and only a possibility about someone i have never met. if it's untrue (which it could be, i clearly wasn't stating it as fact as i listed other reasons) then what's the problem?
It is so easy to misconstrue information as I found when taking a peek at your own website...
Some people could easily see you as a scammer as you operate 3 businesses from the same residential address in Guildford. Of course there's nothing to say that one business isn't run by you, another by your father and another by your mother but as you put it, "it looks a bit fishy!" Three businesses - same house!! Especially when one of them is a web design business!!!
wow, i honestly cannot beleive how amazed i am by you, when you were the first one to go on about how immature i was, and pretty much all i did was say that what was being offered sounds too good to be true.
And please... if anyone wants a website designing don't come to me, please see greencleansolutions above he does it for a hobby (misconstrued as free) and looking at their many post on this forum has plenty of time on their hands - Just make sure they use the spell check first!
wow again very condescending, "Just make sure they use the spell check first!". also their? their? their?
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Can't possibly see how your web designer / lecturer guy can guarantee more customers if you pay £1000 for your website rather than £500... That's nonsense!
thats exactly what i was trying to get accross, but i guess what he was saying is that the graphical design and the structure of the website will be much better if you pay 1000 than 500 and any good company/web designed will charge that sort of money to create a good quality website to bring more customers, but thats only my guess and he may not have meant that ::)
dash t