Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JSMC on October 02, 2009, 04:17:14 pm
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how good are these against gardiners and the like
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facelift arent as rigid as slx but i recon they will easily out last by quite a bit,
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what you have?
also did you bet on arry gettting the sack? good ods last night i was told. Seems his past is catching up
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We have 34ft Facelift carbon pole. VERY good clamps and design. Compare to SL-X the worst thing we have found that it is not so compact - 185sm - when assembled (not sure this is correct world in English, sorry), because of the clamps design.
But anyway Facelift is the great pole. SL-X simply beatifull model. Difficult to compare smth with it.
regards,
Vadim
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seem expensive some pof the larger poles. They must be good at those prices
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ive had the same carbon fibre facelift for the last 3 1/2 years and its still as good as when i got it .
macmac who comes on here gave a really good and in depth write up about facelift and slx as he uses both .
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i only use facelift poles love them , they last for years great clamps too.
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looking at the hundreds of posts on here about the slx, and poor clamps, etc etc, it really has put me off going for one. the facelift although slightly heavier, seems a more stable/finished product that you can buy in confidence.
for me as a newby to the industry, i simply couldnt afford the gamble on an slx right now, i am not earning huge amounts yet, and either of these poles would represent a huge amount of my monthly income, so it has to be right, and the slx just seems to have too many complaints for me. :(
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dont buy a fusion far too bendy and heavy :P
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not as bendy and heavy as my brodex hydrapole 25ft
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Hi Jason
The Fusion that you bought was one of the first batch, I do agree with you that they were too 'bendy'.
Because of your feedback and other customers we have increased the amount of carbon in the hybrid(Fusion) range making the new Fusion much improved.
Thanks for your thoughts we are always willing to listen to you guys and will try and improve our products whenever possible
Russell
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is there a try before you buy facility?
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where are you based ?
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milton keynes
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I think you've missed the point concept.
Yes we are bitching about clamps and wear.
But.... This pole is the first that is a genuine carbon fibre one pole solution for domestic. Other poles have been fine if you wanted to reach 60', or have been okay for 1st and second floor but too long and cumbersome for ground floor.
From what i read the closest thing to an slx is a glider.(sorry no knowledge of fusion)
Most of the comments that i have read all say they would buy the slx again because it is the only pole that can be used all day for everything and is lighter and more rigid than anything else.
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If you are looking for some new poles give me a call on monday morning,
We have had demo poles in the past. There are enough poles out there to find someone local to who has them.
Or when we are coming on a demo your way we can meet you on a job and let you have a play.
Either way give me a call and i'll try and organise it.
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Thats good to know that my £500 facelift pole has been replaced with one less bendy after a couple of months! My pole is requiring attention and i would be without it for at least two days(delivery to and from etc). With two days loss of of earnings i might as well buy a new pole and use it while mine is in for repair!
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If the closed length is 6ft, any pole under 40ft would be more hassle. As it's now possible to have a short telescopic that does ground windows up to that height, using a 6ft pole on ground windows is way too cumbersome for someone who wants to do a good job even quicker.
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Russell,If you have increased the amount of carbon are you saying the pole is not fit for purpose because in my opinion when fully extended this pole is useless cannot be used properly at this height without causing the user extreme fatigue,therefore has a gesture of good will would you be ableto replace some of the the sections with the improved ones ,because at the moment that pole does not get used and was a complete waste of hard earned cash which would have been for better invested in something that can do the job.
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Too many times these companies claim that they are "made by window cleaners for window cleaners"i have rarely to buy anything yet in the industry that within half an hour of using i can see the shortcomings!
The bigger these companies become the further removed from reality they get.
Would any of these companies put there money where there mouths are and give a full no quibble,if not happy guarantee?
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Facelift carbon is a great pole, it was the best for a while. Trouble is, they haven't advanced on it & it now lags behind. It needs to be reduced in price or revamped, instead they have stood still.
All these fusion/hybrid compostites will never (well, not yet anyway) be anything like a true carbon pole, no matter what the sales patter is.
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Would any of these companies put there money where there mouths are and give a full no quibble,if not happy guarantee?
No! And rightly not because theres always someone who thinks a clamp that isnt up to there expectations deserves a full refund. Even if it operates perfectly well, and needs adjusting every so often. The moans posted on here about various bits of kit beggars belief.
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Matt on this particular thread the pole in question is not as advertised and it is certainly not up to the purpose it is intended for if it was it would not be left in my van un used. ???
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My response was based on the amount of moaning/griping and general bad-mouthing of some suppliers who do more than what should be reasonably expected of themand more than the majority of suppliers combined.
It was a reflection in general on peeps, not about any pole in particular.
Saying that, any supplier who offered a no quibble guarantee would soon be out of business. But if they supply a pole which isnt as advertised then thats their look out!
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how good are these against gardiners and the like
Depends on the length of the pole that you want to make the comparison with, shorter pole’s SL-X, a lot on here will say are better, longer pole’s lot on here will say Facelift.
Then it depends on your own criteria, on what you consider is "good".
Ewan, do you actually own either of these poles?
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You know I do - I'm a Gardiners snob. Which one do you have?
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Personally I think the posting of gripes and issues with equipment here is great...as over time we can see 'trends' appearing...and we can then make judgments based upon that information.
At times it is almost that some will not raise their concerns on here as it is like they are grassing up their mate or somthing like that.
Complaints are not personal just experiances of equipment and not personal attacks.
Cheers
Dave.
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I read dysons book, and he made thousands of prototypes over many years.Just because someone is bright and talented the work still has to go in.Most products need extensive work after the intial idea.
I have a 34'xtel hybrid that i hardly use. It is too heavy.There is a cleaner in my area who uses this for everything (he does work mostly trad). When i see him using it i laught to myself. He thinks he saves money by having one pole that does everything. For a hundred pounds he could have a 17'xtel and have an easy life.For £250 he could have a 22'SLX and have an even easier one.
So the argument is people like me are stupid for spending unecessary money on poles, and other people will never know how productive their work lives could be financially because they are too ignorant to spend money.
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8) facelift for me 8)
brett
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So which pole do you have Ewan?
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No chance ftp ::) Googled answers lol ;)
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If other people are to ignorant to spend money Slumpbuster on the latest pole’s, does that mean if another pole came out in the next 6 months that is better than the SL-X poles that you have just brought. Will you be spending more money to increase you productivity & finances on the newer poles or continue to use the SL-X poles you have because they are only a few months old even though you know they will cost you lost money in revenue?
I personally tend to write any pole off in the year it is purchased, so my answer is I would look to keep up with newer developments and always look to buy any new poles that offer any improvements.
Any big improvement and i'd get one. The slx is a big leap from what went before, and so too was the 17' xtel. Before that options were limited.
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I Just bought the Glider last week. I'm absolutely delighted with. Very light, a good pole to work with all day. £360 :o A bit Pricey