Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: MAX Carpets on September 09, 2009, 06:50:15 am
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Hi All
Just out of interest how much would you guys have quoted for this.
Huge Building, low profile carpet 2230 sq meter's, not to dirty, a few water marks, can drive T/M into building, water available. A bit of hose changing involved here and there, all on one level, to be done on a Sat & Sun??
This should be interesting!
Cheers
Justin
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£3000 or there abouts, i would bonnet most of it as you say its not too soiled.
Mark
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Marks about right - but I would undercut him slightly - just to get the job. ;D
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£2950 Joe ?? ;D
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Take it there's more than 1 of you?
Anything to move?
Sounds a lot of graft for 2 days.
£3000 sounds about right though.
John
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Good point from J&S - a Sat & Sun is cutting it tight for time.
The price is right but what about your method.
A TM would take longer then a rotary, and if its only lightly spoiled as you say, them rotary the way to go.
Get 2 off ebay 2nd hand, buy loads of pads and you will still have change from a grand.
Get a mate involved, would be hard work and soul destroying by yourself.
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What type of rotary off e bay Joe.
John
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Well, just about any sort, as ebay is "famous" for.
Recently seen DF and Tex machines for about £650
but Numatic, Truvox and other "standard" rotaries for £75 upwards.
You spot the bargain and takes your choice.
As always with ebay - buyer beware.
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I would be looking at 2800
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£1600 for me.
derek
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£2500 using Hydramaster with RX20
S
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Hi Guys
About 3000 for me, depending on soiling.
Cheers
Doug
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About £4140 before you ask why the £140 that’s a pound a mile to look at it and back definitely a two rotary job and two-trainee cc only time I would use the tm is too clean the pads. Be in and out within the day.
Justin
You not near Guilford Surrey are you?
Len
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presuming 2230m² is the floor area and not the total area you've measured up with a 5m tape from B&Q.....
:D
.... then you're probably only going to be cleaning about 60-80% of that actual area, depending on the type of building. Even if it is all of that area, in big open square shapes, you'll fly through it.
Commercial jobs like this... probably only 1% of that carpet needs extracting, unless there are hundreds of external doors all leading on to the carpet all over the place.
Rotary is the way, it'll give visual results and really is the only way to avoid suicide. A 60hp triple wand TM might be a feasible HWE solution, providing hoses can reach, and if you're putting that sort of kit and staff in that sort of job on a regular basis to justify having the capability (but Len runs a Titan and he says bonnet so probably best listen to him!!)
You'll probably be quoting against companies that quote as low as £0.60/m² (that's £1338 for the job). Yeah, that's life. They do a crap job for peanuts but the client's employee who arranged the cleaning probably doesn't know any better, and is earning brownie points with the boss for getting the job at such a cheap price compared to all the other "expensive" quotes.
Good luck ;)
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Just got an office to do in beginning of October.
350sq m @ £1.20sq m and they were quite happy with that.
Only 7 office staff as well so floor is lightly soiled.
Low profile stuff but will still HWE basically 'cos that's my only option.
Reckon a day and a half steady away with plenty of coffee breaks.
John
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I quoted on one on tue 1313 sq ft £289 hwe,normally charge .28p for com but knocked .06p off p/s/f as com jobs are way down this year,and it was pretty clean.
Going to be looking into buying a rotary,new numatics are around £450 ish ,with drive board etd 2 x micro bonnets,1 in soak 1 on the deck,what else would i need to purchase ? brushes ? or do you just use pads ? skipped over a little bit of rotary use when i did my training,i have only used rotary`s as a chef doing dirty kitchen floors with bruhes. What sort of rpm would i need for carpets ? i assume quite slow ? would it be best to get one with variable speeds for polishing hard floors ?
http://www.floor321.co.uk/Products/Machines/NUMATIC/NLL_Rotaries/NLL332-NLL102.aspx
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John why not buff it and get it done in 4 hrs? spend ages with hwe and odds are you will get a call after its dried asking why the dirt has come back
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John
Daves right.
You can pick up a sytem brand new from the likes of John Kelly for the money you earn on that job
or
keep an eye on ebay like I said before.
Mark
That one you point the link to seems a bit light in weight. Need some weight for it to clean well.
Spped for carpets as you said - low- 170 to 230 rpm. 180-200 more the optimum.
Whether you get a dual speed is up to whether you think you may need the higher speed - depends on the target market.
You need to vac well before you start to try to get as much muck up - there is usually a lot packed in.
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Cheers Joe,sorry to hijack the thread ! You can buy a add on weight for that machine,20 kg i think,would that still be on the light side ?
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Sorry Guys, I thought I should let you know the end result,
It will be HWE
3 Men
2 T/M 1 porty
mostly one big area
£2800
BACS payment 7 days.
Just the job!
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Who's drawn the short straw for the portable? ;D
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3 men 3 machines
poor guy on the porty has to do his own bucketing :(
give him a helping hand - get four of you on it
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davep
Never buffed a carpet before, is this the dry cleaning method using powder and pads and rotary??
Wouldn't have a clue how to start, care to talk me through it?
Willing to learn if all that area can be done in 4 hours.
John
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Daves right :)
Least there is far less or nill chance of wick back.
Mark
I would buy yourself some extra pads as well maybe 10 just in case as you caint have too many.
Well worth it and you will use that system on many occasions :)
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davep
Never buffed a carpet before, is this the dry cleaning method using powder and pads and rotary??
Wouldn't have a clue how to start, care to talk me through it?
Willing to learn if all that area can be done in 4 hours.
John
John
You need a low speed rotary ie 200rpm either 15" 17" or 20" - probably 17" is the general one.
You doing a LM low moisture clean.
You use pads soaked in a tub with your cleaning solution in.
Pre spray carpet, wring out pad, pop under machine, rotary clean about 12 sq yd - quickly going over the area to spread the solution about and then turn pad over and go slower over whole area.
Drop into a different tub with clean water in, ring and put into tub with your cleaning solution in.
Start process again with a different pad.
Sounds long winded but you get a routine going.
May need 10 or more pads for larger areas.
You dont use powders or sponges - that VLM
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Day 1 complete..........jeeez I'm knackered!
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Cheers for that Joe.
John
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I use this JandS
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/THERM9500
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E-mail sent too I think Egypt/Cyprus when you get back phone me we got the job with our £20quid rotary but do need to invest in more LM machines. :-[
Davep
Sorry to say it! Machine looks too vulnerable so won’t be on my shopping list, that a bummer as I like their Chem’s
Emclean
Nice profit £2k
Len
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Vulnerable Len? It spins it cleans ;)
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Emclean , did you offer different methods of cleaning or just some good patter and a price ?
Ricky
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Couple of questions Joe.
Do I just use normal cleaning solutions i.e. Crystal Green or Double Clean or whatever?
Is the cleaning solution left in the carpet then, you don't go over it with a pad soaked
in just clean water to get some of the solution out?
Presume this only really works well on LP carpets?
Apologies for all the questions but never seen it done before.
John
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John, I tend to use the M/S for LM.... TTFN ;D
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Couple of questions Joe.
Do I just use normal cleaning solutions i.e. Crystal Green or Double Clean or whatever?
Is the cleaning solution left in the carpet then, you don't go over it with a pad soaked
in just clean water to get some of the solution out?
Presume this only really works well on LP carpets?
Apologies for all the questions but never seen it done before.
John
I clean with a "safe" solution because, as you expressed, there is no extraction as in HWE. The bonnet pad does the cleaning and extraction.
As Colin said, you can use microsplitters or M-Power/Nemesis Super.
Prespray carpet with fluid.
Bonnet with a pad thats been soaked in fluid but squeezed of the excess.
Does need to be a wet to keep the lubrication up.
Ideal for commercial low profile ie carpet tiles, but I have in the past done a lot of domestics - but prefer to do these with HWE now.
If you have a brush attachement on the rotary machine, you can use encapsulation fluid.
Spray and machine brush, leave it to dry, then vac.
Good vac before pad or brush methods is essential - get up the loose bits (no suction)
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Hi
They wanted the truck mounts, but I had to throw in a porty to complete the job in time.
Len,
Yes 2K is lovely, what would I give to do this every day! It must be out there, come own up whos doing it!!
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JandS, try this with a buffer
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/UKSR15/SubProducts/UKSR15
Has a built in stainsheild, great selling point ;)
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Ah what to use for LM gone over to roto-brite some time I think I’ve already cleaned that area ;D
Davep
The bit sticking up (under desks loading in van) ;D ;)
Emclean
You must always go with what the customer wants and yes work is out there but I don’t do it every day twice a month is the norm logistics, preferred contractor is the key ;) 8) :-X
Len
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Nice one Davep, that'll do for me!