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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark_roberts on May 17, 2005, 10:42:23 am
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Have I got the costings right for allerg-stop?
I use 1.5litres of pre-spray to clean the average suite.
Using allergstop costing £72.28 for 10litres ready to use would mean a chemcial cost of £10.84 for a suite.
Existing cost of normal microsplitter is around 60p using a 10-1 dilution.
Is allergstop ready to use or do you dilute it?
How have you adjusted your pricing if the above is correct?
thanks
Mark
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to be honest i wouldn't want you to clean my suite if you were going to put 1 1/2 litres of pre spray on it.
It is ready to use diluted at 1:6
further dilution would reduce the effect of the allergy control part.
The idea of microsplitters is that you don't use much.
Cleaned a large 4 bedroom house and their suite 2 x 2seaters and 2 x 1 seaters and in total i used about 5-6 litres. cost me about £28 in chemical and made well in excess of £300
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Not like Mr Roberts to twist ;D ;) I bet you would twist on 21
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Heyup Carpet Nights, if tha using so much stuff why not charge more fo doing job rather than lower of normal price??
What you think Sheffield Shaun??
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I asked a simple question and would like a simple answer.
Carpet Knights - when you become a man and decide to use your own name and not hide under your trading name then you can lecture me on how much prespray to use to clean a suite. :P. 1.5 litres is the average. I may use more and I may use less depending so dont show your inexperience by making such a sweaping statement.
Steve - what you on about. Are you drinking the stuff instead of cleaning with it?
Any other allergstop users out there who can converse like adults.
Mark Roberts
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Allerg-stop comes ready to use.Obviously my pricing structure has changed to take into account the fact the product is more expensive.But as a network member I don't pay £72.28.
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mark roberts
if you actually look at my posts my name is at the bottom ALWAYS.
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Hi Mark
Simple join the network, then you buy the product at a lower cost
Yes the cost of cleaning with allergstop is dearer it should be! you are doing 4 time the job cleaning disinfecting, eliminating all allergens and reducing the re-soiling, therefore the cost to the customer should be dearer so at worse you charge a little extra and offer your customer a far superiuor service,
where is the problem in that,
So far most if not all the network members ARE charging more than they did previously and getting new business.
Best regards Nick
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I asked a simple question and would like a simple answer.
Carpet Knights - when you become a man and decide to use your own name and not hide under your trading name then you can lecture me on how much prespray to use to clean a suite. :P. 1.5 litres is the average. I may use more and I may use less depending so dont show your inexperience by making such a sweaping statement.
So there you have it, I do use my real name, so that must mean that i am a real man in your eyes. And therefore am in a position to "lecture" according to your post
Also i did answer your question regarding the expense of the product and even gave examples of profit made on it. Obviously that was not enough!
personal attacks on people are not needed on this forum and this has been happening a lot of recent to a few members. Sherlock being one. Just cos you don't like what is said, you shouldn't make personal attacks as a result
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Off topic slightly but I asked a while ago how much pre spray (Microsplitters) others used to clean the average sized 3 Piece Suite with average soiling. Most gave the answer of around 1.5 litres, which is what Mark is quoted as using. I also find that to be the amount required to complete the job to my satisfaction.
Dave.
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In the 18 months i have been using ms, do not think i have ever used a full litre on 3pc ( 6 seats ) :o
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hi there mark
i got some samples of allerg stop my presonal opion
is that it is probly the best cleaner that i have used to date
the first suite i done i used about 100ml of allerg stop
suite cleaned up brillant
second suite used adout 150ml, iam very stingey
i used the last 750ml on 3 bedrooms and a hallway
all cleaned really well, i also found the cleaning to be much easier
the rates i applied probly not enough to kill all allergys. but i was only
testing to see how well it cleaned.
ps, i also used formula 90 powder as well in tank.
ps thats about as simple as i can make it
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Carpet Knights
I apologise for not seeing your name at the bottom of your posts. I dont have a magnifing (sp) glass.
You opening line was 'to be honest i wouldn't want you to clean my suite if you were going to put 1 1/2 litres of pre spray on it'. This comment suggests I'm some sort of cowboy in your eyes. This is what I took offense at.
I'll give you a few more years experience to learn the error of your ways.
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Thankyou for those who did make a decent reply. Of course I realised it was costing more hence my post but I was looking for user opinions from experience to make sure I was on the right track.
Mark Roberts
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Hi David
Yes you were not using enough
You should not use anything else with it other than water, it fights against the AllerSTOP
This will also take away 1 of the 4 benifits of AllerSTOP away, no resoiling
Also it does not kill allergys it breaks them down
Hope this helps Gavin
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Mark yo satd that you use 1.5 litres of standard solutions, is that concentrate or mixed with water?
1.5 litres of concentrate works out at £9.00 (before discounts)
Shaun
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Shaun
Thats the normal MS diluted at 10-1. So thats 150ml of product for 1.5l if my maths is correct.
Having re-read my first post I can see some of you are confused. 1.5 litres of pre-spray is the total diluted mix NOT 1.5l of concentrate. I'm not that thick.
Mark
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Anyone interested in joining to Allerg-stop network will be pleased to know than the minimum spend has been dropped to £800 a year with a 5% discount for any member who surpasses his or her £800 target plus access to the allerg-stop forum ;)
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Can we have some clarification of Allergstop prices and dilution rates.
Thanks Shaun
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Steve,
3 questions.
What has the minimum spend been reduced from?
Is this payable up front?
Does this give area exclusivity?
Cheers,
Doug
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i use 5 pence worth of powder to clean a 3pc or carpet 8) am i tight or what lol ;D
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Here we all go again,
this is getting so boring,
Everyone sitting on the side with no intention of committing to the product, hey thats fine,it is after all your choice!
But if you don't want to be part of the network, that is also fine, however to then start "swiping" at a product that you know very little about, is just not clever.
to those of you who keep asking the same questions,with the only intention of stirring controversy,
please just call nick, as you know he will answer all your questions(and prob has before)
This product works well for me,it has changed the lives of some of my clients.
Dave
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Shaun 10ltrs of Allerg-stop is £58.62 and is used undiluted non network members pay £72+vat i think.Look at my site under products for non network member prices
http://www.freewebs.com/allerg-stop/products.htm
Doug
The minimum spend was £2500 its now £800
You can choose to pay up front or as you use it.
If the area is already taken the network member will be contacted to see if its ok to let you in.
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Doug
To clarify the spend was reduced because the original of £2500 was frightening people, a fair number of people have already passed the target figure, and we wish to continue expanding the network as enquirires are coming in form areas which are not currently covered, I also wanted to give and incentive to those who are promoting the Allergstop system, this way every one benefits.
As to area exclusivity our aim is to make each network member exclusive although with an area such as London for instance it would be impossible for one member to cover it. So if 2 people apply in the same area the first one accepted has the option to remain tatally exclusive, this may depend on there work load.
Hope this helps
Best regards Nick
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Respectfully
I'm doing my workings out
If standard solutions costs £50 plus vat for 10 litre to be diluted at an average of 10 - 1 you get 110 litres of product for £50 plus vat
AllergStop you get 10 litres of made product for £72 plus vat.
Is this correct?
Shaun
PS Doug and other moderators I have no gain other than knowledge for this question.
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David M
Am I right in thinking that you pre-spray with Allerg-stop then rinse with Formula 90.
If that is correct its no wonder you are achieveing excellent results.
Formula 90 is a heavy duty carpet detergent which is also suitable for alkaline resistant materials. Due to its addition of Biosolv,(citrus solvent) it cuts through grease and grime and there is absolutely no need to use any kind of pre-treatment when using it. Also I beleive it would be stripping the Allerg Stop straight off negating its affect.
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Shaun
Yes if your are not in the Network but bare in mind you are doing a lot more than carpet cleaning therefore the added cost creates a more valuable job so therefore additional profit,
John your are correct, you would not use and additional detergent product with Allergstop, there would be no need to anyway.
Allerstop is pre-sprayed allowed a 10 minute dwell time during which it is agitated then rinsed with plain water.
Best regards Nick
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Are cc not allowed to ask questions about allergy stop ???,i thought thats what forums were for ( to discuss ) :)
one thing becoming obvious is a lot of allerystop members are becoming very defensive,now what does that tell me ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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What's up with the board?
It can get a bit snotty sometimes!
I asked a question and got an answer, that's it!!
Ok some AS members defended their product a bit zealously but wouldn't you?
Steve Gunn put on a post that the minimum requirement for the year had become more favourable of course you are going to get a reaction.
For me I think AS will not enhance my business enough, unless there is spin off work ie a UK chain of health clubs or hotels decide to go with AS and there is one in my area so I get the clean which obviously gives me something extra back.
I don't think I would sell much more cleaning other than the passed on work, okay the added benefits are there but if I introduce them to my clientelle I would have to more than increase last years price to account for the added price of the chemical.
Could be good for new clients as an added edge and also bring in young Mums and allergy sufferers but you have to do some legwork and marketing to these people, I have clients always calling me anyway.
Undecided....
Shaun
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This might sound daft but the majority of customers I go to just want clean carpets.
sometimes I use MS sometimes hydramaster or UM,OR CHEMSPEC FORMULA90 etc THEY DONT CARE as long as its clean
Neil ;)
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Ive started using, and using the selling points, of Promite pre-cleaner. Its a good cleaner and smells nice too and kills dust mites. Of course it may not have the additional benefits of Allerg-stop but its not costing me any extra but I have added value for the customer.
I could see me buying allerg-stop for mattress cleaning but its a bit too pricey for carpets and esp. upholstery IMO at the minute.
Mark
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Shaun
While I was typing the above I seen a reply by you asking if the 1.5litres for upholstery was concentrate or diluted BUT its disappeared???
My first post on this topic was refering to a diluted mix of normal micro-splitter ie. 150ml = 1.5litre or pre-spray which is about the average for a 3 piece suite. However using allerg-stop this would equate to 1.5 litres of product equalling many more £££ as you buy allerg-stop ready to use.
Mark
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I can't get to grips that my chemical costs would go up 10 fold!
I think the product is brilliant but I'm not convinced.
If Nick employs Don Atkinson well I'd be unconvicely convinced (work that one out)
Shaun
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Shaun,
Neg x Neg = Pos
Cheers
Doug
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Big ten four
Breaker Breaker !
Shaun
PS I think the wifes coil is playing up again
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Shaun
Try going to the left a bit
You might get radio 4!
Regards Michel
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While I found the information interesting I hope we are not going to get into name calling again.
Just so I am in the know is there an Allergy Stop Forum in addition to the Forumn that was subject to a Take Over bid.
Glad to see spend limit has come down.
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Hi All
Myself I was not worryied at the spend limit what so ever, and I think I have spent over it all ready ;D
So much so today I have taken on a new member of staff just to go out and promote Allerg-STOP. He will be ariving at Solution's new home very soon for his training. I know Allerg-STOP works and makes money! and thats from someone who is doing just that :D ;)
As most on this forum will know I used to come on here a lot to try and help other's people as much as I could, and to learn myself, but silly people with silly views put me and others off :(
Regards Gavin
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Gavin, if you have so much work wouldn't you have been wiser to take on someone to do the carpet cleaning rather than a salesman to promote a product which you claim keeps you busy all the time anyway.
You also say that silly people have put you off this forum, but looking through your stats you were very active until just 6 weeks ago, who has cheesed you off since then?
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Hi Gary
I have just logged on for 5 mins before I go to rugby so im rushed for time But I will post my reasons just as soon as i have time ;)
Regards Gavin
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Have we all not noticed that in the last six months or so some of the........ more knowledgeable amongst us no longer post on the forum!!
I wonder why?
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Have we all not noticed that in the last six months or so some of the........ more knowledgeable amongst us no longer post on the forum!!
I wonder why?
I can't make up my mind to write YES I have not noticed or NO I have not noticed. But either way, I haven't noticed, who are we supposed to notice that no longer posts notices..
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Hi Guys
No cost as with everything its passed on to customers.
Respect
Ian Harper
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as a new member reading all these comments i am a little flumoxed. i must say that gary j seems to have intelligent and interesting things to say without being rude or indifferent :)