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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Simon Gerrard on August 28, 2009, 02:40:44 pm
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I had a new hotel client ask me what the benefits of carpet cleaning were from a cost point of view?
Obviously the aesthetics is important. Also that we clean at in-excess of 200 degrees and therefore kill the bacteria in the carpet. And as we use RX20's the pile is clean far more thoroughly than with a wand which removes all the deep down soil that is lodged in the carpet and this has a significant affect on the overall life span of the carpet.
Does anyone know of any research done into this?
Simon
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Dont start that old chestnut again Simon ;)
the rx2o v wand ,because I doubt very much their will be any difference ::) and if infact it can be proved their is a difference , then what are all these guys advertising " the cleanest you will ever see or you cannot get cleaner etc, etc. " going to do ;) :D
To be a little more serious, I would love to know if any INDEPENDENT person has actually compared rx and a wand.
Geoff
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Geoff,
It wasn't what I asked, but since you mentioned it.... I think it is beyond dispute that the RX20 cleans carpet much more thoroughly than a wand. It makes 11.5 cleaning passes per second, I think that is all that needs to be said on the subject.
Anyway, back to the question??? What are the benefits of carpet cleaning???? ???
Simon
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One of the points I make to commercial clients in particular, is that cleaning protects and prolongs their investment ie: their carpet and if possible back that up by giving them an approximate cost for replacement against the ongoing cost of maintenance.
Steve
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I was told that by removing the grit at the base of the pile which vaccing alone cannot remove you significantly extend the life of a carpet.
We have all seen the grit/sand at the bottom of the recovery tank.
When a carpet is walked on this grit/sand grinds together and cuts or abraids the fibres which over time wears it out.
Sounds good to me :D
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Fenman,
That's spot on. I was wondering if anyone had done any research into it, something we could quote to our clients?
Simon
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"And as we use RX20's the pile is clean far more thoroughly than with a wand,"
but you did mention this Simon.
Dont misunderstand me! I,m not knocking the rx and fair play to you for praising the tools you use, I do the same, but I fail to see how there is a significant difference if any than using a wand correctly,
"I think it is beyond dispute that the RX20 cleans carpet much more thoroughly than a wand. It makes 11.5 cleaning passes per second, "
I would dispute it that it cleans much more thoroughly
Geoff
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Is 11.5 passes per second really necessary? Isn't it a bit like hammering in a tack with a sledge hammer? Don't bite my head off, I was just wondering!!!
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www.carpet-rug.org
pretty sure these have done research some where, I seem to recall it been in here
geoff
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Geoff,
Have you got an RX20?
I was the first in the UK to get one over twenty years ago having seen one in action in the states. We estimate that they clean around about 50% better than a wand because of the mechanical action and the sheer number of passes per second that cannot be matched by a wand. The mechanical action breaks open the pile from every angle and so cleans a lot more thoroughly, quickly and with a lot less effort.
Simon
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Do you use it on every job or only when you're working on trashed carpets?
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We rarely use it on domestic jobs but always on big jobs like cruise ships where there is far more soil to be cleaned out of the carpet.
Simon
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The only real benefit to someone who works within the restraints of static or decreasing budgets would be to convince them that regular maintenance might double the expected useful life of their carpets provided of course that it was cost effective.
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To be a little more serious, I would love to know if any INDEPENDENT person has actually compared rx and a wand.
http://www.hydramaster.com/accessories/rx20.asp
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i have done a lot of work at 3 schools this week and if i hadn't used the rx i would still be there next week! unless you see one in action you can't appreciate how good and quick they are especially on trashed large area carpets. i also rarely use mine on domestics, too cumbersome for the average lounge.
colin ;)
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It's humanly impossible for someone to match the work of an RX20 physically with a wand.
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i have done a lot of work at 3 schools this week and if i hadn't used the rx i would still be there next week! unless you see one in action you can't appreciate how good and quick they are especially on trashed large area carpets. i also rarely use mine on domestics, too cumbersome for the average lounge.
colin ;)
there no quicker than a wand.
in fact on a 1 hour job, the wand (a good wand) would beat an rx for speed.
derek
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To be a little more serious, I would love to know if any INDEPENDENT person has actually compared rx and a wand.
http://www.hydramaster.com/accessories/rx20.asp
Helen,
I did stress independent , hardly independent,
now would you like me to complile a list of " independent" tools, machines etc stating theirs is the best, out cleans, out performs, is fater blah blah blah
geoff
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i have done a lot of work at 3 schools this week and if i hadn't used the rx i would still be there next week! unless you see one in action you can't appreciate how good and quick they are especially on trashed large area carpets. i also rarely use mine on domestics, too cumbersome for the average lounge.
colin ;)
there no quicker than a wand.
in fact on a 1 hour job, the wand (a good wand) would beat an rx for speed.
derek
A rotary would thrash a single wand in terms of speed
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Derek,
but it's not about speed, it's about the sheer quality of the cleaning that matters.
Simon
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i know simon, i was just disagreeing with colins comments about speed, the rx does a superior job with a lot more ease over prolonged cleaning, just wish i could get the hang of it.
derek
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derek, i would beg to differ, the rx is quicker and a better clean than a wand, not to fall out with you but if you can't get the hang of using one then i can't see that your qualified to give a reasonable reply. the height that you have the handle position set at is the difference between using it comfortably or it being like hanging on to a charging bull. a height change of an inch can make all the difference, some people have the handle set too high, lower is better,
colin
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i'm not qualified but john gotts is.
he's the one who told me its not faster in the first hour of cleaning.
but yeah, far superior in results and once fatigue sets in, then the rx comes into its own.
the reason i can't get to grips with it is mainly not being able to see what its doing underneath. feel like i'm cleaning blind if that makes any sense, probably not, but thats just me.
could do with seeing a pro use one on a big job, that might change my mind.
derek
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Derek
You need to spend a day on the ships with Simon. ;)
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There is a nightclub carpet that i clean, i have cleaned it with a wand and an rx20 and when cleaned with the rx the carpet stays clean upto 3 times longer!
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There is a nightclub carpet that i clean, i have cleaned it with a wand and an rx20 and when cleaned with the rx the carpet stays clean upto 3 times longer!
So your losing out, if it stays cleaner 3 times longer they wont get you back so often....
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or he's got the job for life.
depends on your perspective.
money or customer retention/satisfaction
derek
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There is a nightclub carpet that i clean, i have cleaned it with a wand and an rx20 and when cleaned with the rx the carpet stays clean upto 3 times longer!
how the hell do you work that one out?
a carpet stays clean for 3 times longer!!! ::) so thats 3 days instead of 1 then ;)
Sorry to disagree My dvae, but I just cannot see how a carpet stops cleaner for 3 times longer , Pie in the Sky comes to mind.
geoff
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There is a nightclub carpet that i clean, i have cleaned it with a wand and an rx20 and when cleaned with the rx the carpet stays clean upto 3 times longer!
Have you tried another wand?
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Geoff,
It stays cleaner longer because it been cleaned far more thoroughly. You could see that as a commercial disadvantage but it isn't, it plays directly on to customer satisfaction. Customers notice things like that, that here carpet stays cleaner longer with a TM and an RX20 than other, less powerful systems and stick with the company that gives them the best result.
Simon
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a carpet stays clean for 3 times longer!!! ::) so thats 3 days instead of 1 then ;)
geoff
I like that one Geoff. ;D ;D
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Simon,
it was not my intention neither is my intention to have a go at the rx, as you have already asked ,Have i used one the answer is NO, but I find it amazing that people state that carpets actually stay cleaner for 3 times longer, especially in a night club ::) when a rx has been utilised, and that statement is coming from a guy who,s web site states
" . It's so effective that nearly every carpet we clean looks once again just like the day it was laid, no matter how dirty. "
"Whatever the condition of your carpets or furnishings, no matter how dirty we can usually restore them to looking 'Just like New'." etc ect,
no sign of an rx on his site ::) but their is a pic of a prochem wand, with the same two people who seem to work for an awful lot of people ;)
Come on get real rx does not clean any better than most competant c/c with adequate machines all it is imho is an overpriced, unnecessary tool and it certainly doesnt have the added feature of preventing resoiling 3 times longer than a normal wand, re soiling problems occur for any variety of reasons!!
Hydramaster rx20 , no doubt a nice peice of kit ,but not what some are trying to make it out to be!!
Yes , I do like hydramaster I use the dri master.
geoff
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Geoff,
With respect that is a load of twaddle. If you haven't used an RX20, how on earth can you comment on it? You seem to be trying to make yourself out as some sort of authority on the subject, but openly state that you have no first hand experience of having used one.
I do agree the quote you mentioned does seem a little over-the-top, but at least the guy is overstated the issue from the perspective of experience of its use, whereas you are just surmising, perhaps to make yourself feel better about not having one. You should try one, at least then you will know what you're talking about.
Simon
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Simon,
I openly admit I have no experience with the rx20, and I can assure you that I am not portraying to be an authority on the subject ;)
But what i am trying stress are the ridiculous numbers that are been thrown about by rx20 users, so come on admit it , "it does not clean any better than a wand " simple really , " it does not extend the time of the carpet staying cleaner " twaddle!!
I dare say it is an effective tool , but of course I wouldnt know!! ;) and you are bound to defend it with vigour, after all you would hardly admit to it been an expensive toy after you have purchased, and even if it it does clean better, which I doubt, the difference would be minuscule i would even say that this so called difference could be achieved by any other number of tweeks, example aggitation, dwell selection of solution, heat etc, etc .
Geoff