Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy) on August 17, 2009, 11:02:21 am
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was watching a programme this morning about benefit cheats on the beeb.......2 window cleaners were featured, scamming it...50k worth of fraud.......gives the other honest guys a bad name....... >:(
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What was the name of it? Will see if i can watch it on iplayer.
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saints and scroungers
the problem with programs like that is people think we are all the same and are on 50 grand a year, i use to be a plumber and people always thought that you was ripping them off so that you could earn you 100 grand a year as all the papers keep saying that we earnt,
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I know a guy who got caught out like that.
He was claiming full benefits and was secretly filmed whilst working, the program was aired across the region.
I think he got three months inside for it?
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was watching a programme this morning about benefit cheats on the beeb.......2 window cleaners were featured, scamming it...50k worth of fraud.......gives the other honest guys a bad name....... >:(
It may do, but on the other side it does show that some do get caught aswell :)
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Interesting program and really wound me up.
I believe the £50,000 was the amount they had fraudently claimed in various benefits including invalidity. There was the guy going up ladders like a monkey on speed.
Still - he did end up in jail and has to repay all the money claimed - assuming they make it stick!
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i think this is the program
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mb175/Saints_and_Scroungers_Morgan
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that is indeed the one.....the window cleaners come on at 20 mins onward. ;)
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Fantastic!
"Anything but squeaky clean" so at least it's not our very own Roger! ;D
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dont know about anybody else here but if i catch wind of any scammers in my area i will grass them up to the benefits office too >:( people like this really get my goat
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dont know about anybody else here but if i catch wind of any scammers in my area i will grass them up to the benefits office too >:( people like this really get my goat
Shhhhhhhhhhh eclipse......people will think ya doin a bit of farming on the side ;)
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dont know about anybody else here but if i catch wind of any scammers in my area i will grass them up to the benefits office too >:( people like this really get my goat
is this yours then ;D
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arrr poor thing, hurt his leg needs help walking, what a kind man for helping :)
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some nice looking goats there.... :P :P
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some nice looking goats there.... :P :P
does that mean we is gonna get goat flu now ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D
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I don't see the point of grassing anyone up. It's not as if the cash saved means life gets cheaper for us.
Better going to some skanky street scrote than to some skanky politician to spunk. At least the street scrote might spend it on something that could end up in our pockets eventually.
If there is a benefit to grassing i might be up for it. But there hasn't been. Isn't. And won't ever be!!
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I suppose, thinking about it, that if you grass someone up they have their benefits stopped.
Then they go to court and are ordered to pay back everything theyve decieved from the state, this in turn means they have to work harder, thus taking more and more of your potential customers in an attempt to try to build a round big enough to be able to subsidise their court fines and fees.
I think we should encourage them :D
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its stealing whatever you think of it
why the hell should i work hard to pay my taxes and insurancses etc for some scrote to come along undercut me and POCKET every penny
Its wrong full stop
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Is'nt it all the way...those who pay their taxes are chased the most...and more effort is expaneded when they are a little late, yet any scumbag that wants to claim and then work without paying taxes...seems to do so without much chance of being caught.
And from personal experiance I have found that people with jobs that allow an additional work stream seem to be ble to get away with non payments of taxes.
Whilst I do hate paying the amount of tax I do...33% income tax, 19% VAT...and all the other taxes etc, etc...I hate even more those who steal from those of us who do the right thing.
Cheers
Dave.
ps I would loose no sleep whatsoever turning in anyone for suspected non payments of taxes.
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Shop 'em!
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Benefit cheats and Grasses about the same low level of pond life.
Who cares about them, they will get caught sooner or later.
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Benefit cheats and Grasses about the same low level of pond life.
Who cares about them, they will get caught sooner or later.
Only if someone "grasses them up!" ;D
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I pay £600 a month tax ;) >:( and being shrewd... a guy down the road from me pays £400 a year... i HOPE HE GETS CAUGHT SOON >:(
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i met a window cleaner last week who was looking at my van etc and had a chat and he said sod getting my motors sign written ive got 18 lads working and most are on the brew(dole) ??? how can you compete with that price wise, gets right up my goat but i still wouldnt grass as i am the idiot who pays taxes and has a sign written van with phone numbers, web address etc and i really dont want to wake up to a burnt out van
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i met a window cleaner last week who was looking at my van etc and had a chat and he said sod getting my motors sign written ive got 18 lads working and most are on the brew(dole) ??? how can you compete with that price wise, gets right up my goat but i still wouldnt grass as i am the idiot who pays taxes and has a sign written van with phone numbers, web address etc and i really dont want to wake up to a burnt out van
aaaaaaarrrrggghhh!
but at least when u wake up in the morning u can look in the mirror and smile ;)
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so true mate taffy lad. i always say what goes around will come around ;)
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Lots of dole brigade window cleaning in summer charging silly prices that are just plain daft. However, in the winter I pick up some of their work but only if I can get sensible prices. I pick up more work in the winter than I do in the spring in one particular area and it isn't just coincidence.
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I just think they should do away with benefits full stop. Its crazy to pay people not to work. It was a nice idea but it hasn't worked.
It has created a complete underclass of bone idle scroungers and 4X4s. It said in the papers yesterday the real figure is close to 6 million now. Very few of them are genuine.
If you just said to most of them that to get their benefits they would have to sweep the streets it would be a revelation how many would come off the benefits.
In America Clinton introduced a scheme where people could only claim welfare for 6 months then they were on their own. It worked like a dream.
Just stop it, make the slobs get up in the morning and keep themselves.
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I personally believe that after 6 months of not being able to find a job..the Benifits office should be able to 'place' a person in work subject to health and safety issues.
Whether that is a 'proper job' or be it a placement of benifit to the local community...
Failure to work/attend would result in the wage/benift being cut.
Far too much of a 'give me' culture in the U.K...
Cheers
Dave.
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my thoughts exactly, i think they should make them work 40 hrs per work doing anything the council want- led them too highways agency as labour, and get them gardening, cleaning etc
Its a joke to give someone a house and a wage in return for a lazy chav of a citizen who has more holidays a year to magaluff than most of us :)
Benefits are a joke anyway, if you or me had to stop work we would still be stuck with the amount you get!!!
It just supports the bone idle life style, not the genuine un employed!
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its stealing whatever you think of it
It certainly is, Lee.
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was watching a programme this morning about benefit cheats on the beeb.......2 window cleaners were featured, scamming it...50k worth of fraud.......gives the other honest guys a bad name....... >:(
When is your case up scrimman.
I'm sure most here will give a character ref for you. Don't know if it will help :P :P :P :P
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never mind the fraud. I'm surprised no one has got on to H&S about the dad in the item, shooting up the ladder two rungs at a time that is clearly a violation ;D ;D ;D
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I know loads of lads my age (25) round here who have been on benifits for years and they all have better motors than me. It's not right if i dont work i cant eat!
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Here in Holland there has this week been a tv ad campaign to shop your neighbours.....basically they have been asking the public to look at their neighbours and look to see if they are living\spending way outside there means...I suppose they are really looking at young lads with brand new BMW's and the like...
...Cheers Dave.
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I gave up smoking nearly 7 months ago but sometimes wish I was back in a coffee shop in Amsterdam, what memories :D :D :D :D :D
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hmmm im coming out of work shortly i,ll get £65 a wk for 6months thats it.iv worked for 23yrs this job [decorater] 10yrs previous job [carpet fitter] im nackered! ;D my right knee gives me gip my right sholder gives me gip and last wk i pulled my back moving some rock, so you could say im struggling a bit at the moment but hell im not signing on thay can shove that £65 were the sun dont shine :D if i end up earning £50 a wk from window cleaning decorateing whatever im not cheating anyone, and the 5 people in my street who claim benifits when theres nowt wrong with them will still be bored out there minds wondering if thay,er being watched pretending thay can,t walk properly i wont grass on them thay are there own worst enemy mental problems coursed by guilt will do them more harm than i ever could i sleep well at night ::)
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To be honest mate I bet those that wrongly claim benefits sleep well at night too. They claim it becasue they havent got a conscience and that also allows them to sleep without worry.
Id grass em up and claim my £65.00 a week.
Claiming the moral high ground doesnt pay bills.
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i have a freind who,s not worked for the 20yrs iv known him [bad back] always complaining about some pian hes devoloped i asked him if he wanted to come walking he replyed id love to but i cant be seen walking any distance you get filmed thats it you,ve had it,see what i mean he cant even enjoy the simple plesures of life and now he,s having mentel problems as well in the house to much looking at 4 walls ect ect poor man still his house is paid for by us he gets a new car every few years but i would not be him for all the tea in china.
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was watching a programme this morning about benefit cheats on the beeb.......2 window cleaners were featured, scamming it...50k worth of fraud.......gives the other honest guys a bad name....... >:(
When is your case up scrimman.
I'm sure most here will give a character ref for you. Don't know if it will help :P :P :P :P
well, thanks for the character ref there boo, it really helped when you gave evidence against me in court......the only problem was that the judge knew you and he said if he ever saw you again in his court room he would have you locked up........can u get tinternet in Bar L? 8)
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186 billion quid spending on benefits last year in the UK. I would shop 'em every chance I got.
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The problem is any money saved is just wasted elsewhere, if you think about it most dole cheats spend their money on beer and cigs. and as the tax on beer and cigs is about 80 per cent i think, then they are in fact tax payers at the higher rate.
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was watching a programme this morning about benefit cheats on the beeb.......2 window cleaners were featured, scamming it...50k worth of fraud.......gives the other honest guys a bad name....... >:(
When is your case up scrimman.
I'm sure most here will give a character ref for you. Don't know if it will help :P :P :P :P
well, thanks for the character ref there boo, it really helped when you gave evidence against me in court......the only problem was that the judge knew you and he said if he ever saw you again in his court room he would have you locked up........can u get tinternet in Bar L? 8)
if i don't get internet, then that is infringing on my human rights, anyway i would get out on compassionate
grounds as I'm in Scotland ;D ;D (ooh, political)
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I had a spell on the dole in the 1970's. I tried a few ways of turning a quid, but the problem was with the benefit agency. If you couldn't make what you were doing pay, you couldn't get back on any benefit without a hell of a lot of trouble. It was a hell of a chance to take.
A genuine guy looking for work faces a dilemma, Christmas comes to benefit recipients too, and their kids
want the same as other kids who have working parents. A good husband and dad wants to be able to provide for his kids. I may have forgotten to declare money received from odd jobs when the kids needed new shoes.
T.O,P,S the government training agency came into being at this time, and it sure as hell rescued me.
six months of intense training at a local skill centre got me a job with British Aerospace in the machine shop, I progressed into NC and then CNC work and then onto setting up and programming machine centres and lathes. From dole to fully skilled in three years.
Where are those training programs now?
With engineering in decline, I found myself several years later out of work again.
It was the enterprise allowance scheme that got me back into window cleaning, a job I had done as a lad.
That £40 a week, guaranteed for 12 months was all the help I needed.
Whether these guys are benefit cheats or just men doing their best for their family is a hard one to call. I reserve my judgment.
The one thing that I am sure of is that I would rather see tax payers money spent helping people get back into work, than bailing out greedy bankers.
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I had a spell on the dole in the 1970's. I tried a few ways of turning a quid, but the problem was with the benefit agency. If you couldn't make what you were doing pay, you couldn't get back on any benefit without a hell of a lot of trouble. It was a hell of a chance to take.
A genuine guy looking for work faces a dilemma, Christmas comes to benefit recipients too, and their kids
want the same as other kids who have working parents. A good husband and dad wants to be able to provide for his kids. I may have forgotten to declare money received from odd jobs when the kids needed new shoes.
T.O,P,S the government training agency came into being at this time, and it sure as hell rescued me.
six months of intense training at a local skill centre got me a job with British Aerospace in the machine shop, I progressed into NC and then CNC work and then onto setting up and programming machine centres and lathes. From dole to fully skilled in three years.
Where are those training programs now?
With engineering in decline, I found myself several years later out of work again.
It was the enterprise allowance scheme that got me back into window cleaning, a job I had done as a lad.
That £40 a week, guaranteed for 12 months was all the help I needed.
Whether these guys are benefit cheats or just men doing their best for their family is a hard one to call. I reserve my judgment.
The one thing that I am sure of is that I would rather see tax payers money spent helping people get back into work, than bailing out greedy bankers.
At last, a great post. Too many are quick to moan, judge, stick their nose in or whatever you want to call it when they too are shoving the odd cash job in the back pocket, anyone who says they are not are full of it.
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I had a spell on the dole in the 1970's. I tried a few ways of turning a quid, but the problem was with the benefit agency. If you couldn't make what you were doing pay, you couldn't get back on any benefit without a hell of a lot of trouble. It was a hell of a chance to take.
A genuine guy looking for work faces a dilemma, Christmas comes to benefit recipients too, and their kids
want the same as other kids who have working parents. A good husband and dad wants to be able to provide for his kids. I may have forgotten to declare money received from odd jobs when the kids needed new shoes.
T.O,P,S the government training agency came into being at this time, and it sure as hell rescued me.
six months of intense training at a local skill centre got me a job with British Aerospace in the machine shop, I progressed into NC and then CNC work and then onto setting up and programming machine centres and lathes. From dole to fully skilled in three years.
Where are those training programs now?
With engineering in decline, I found myself several years later out of work again.
It was the enterprise allowance scheme that got me back into window cleaning, a job I had done as a lad.
That £40 a week, guaranteed for 12 months was all the help I needed.
Whether these guys are benefit cheats or just men doing their best for their family is a hard one to call. I reserve my judgment.
The one thing that I am sure of is that I would rather see tax payers money spent helping people get back into work, than bailing out greedy bankers.
That is a goo dpost dai, and im sure no one on here begrudges benefits being used like that its just tat all to many times you see families on benefits (i do ) and wonder why they arent grafting like the rest of us, and it aint the recession only that is a problem as this was going on before then, so the point is why arent the govt making them work etc or as you say training them .. mental , it might cost to train but its cheaper than paying there bills and lifestyle for the rest of their life, and once there in work there paying it back through paye, or they could even do a student loan type thing,
O well, its a problem thaht will always be there i think, some people just wont work
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i reckon theres half a dozen long term benefitters in every street in the land , i wouldnt say they thrive on it as its a pretty empty life , sitting there watching jeremy kyle or downloading the latest dvd , heck at least a third of all my customers are dole wallahs thats how this country is these days . maybe it should be like some of the other eu countries where you get benefit for 6 months and then it stops ! ;D ;D
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Yes a very good post Dai and I have every sympathy with your point. I don't know where you are in the country bacause that may well have a big bearing on how you see these problems.
Round here its different, there are jobs, OK crap jobs admittedly but never the less there are jobs. My 17 year old son has got himself a job working for the school holidays on a scheme for kids with behavioural problems. He gets £6-8 an hour and when he got the job they asked if he knew of any of his friends that may be interested because they still had vacancies to fill.
Not a quarter of a mile from there is a rough estate where nobody seems to work although all the blokes appear fit and well and manage to make it to the Social Club each day on time for opening.
Minicab companies in London recruit drivers from Eastern Europe to come and work here because they can't get drivers locally. They like them because they are honest, reliable and turn up each day.
The benifits question is part of a bigger social problem.